GOP Lawmakers Cannot View Impeachment Docs Without Supervision of Democrats

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Democrats are denying Republican lawmakers access to a trove of documents surrounding the impeachment proceeding against President Donald Trump unless they are supervised by Democratic staffers, according to a letter sent by all 21 GOP members of the House Foreign Affairs Committee.

Led by Rep. Michael McCaul (R., Tex.), the lawmakers protested a requirement by Rep. Adam Schiff (Calif.), the lead Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, that a Democratic staffer be present when Republicans view the classified documents.



“Your staff claims that the only way we will have access to the transcripts is in your offices, during designated hours, under the personal supervision and monitoring of a majority staffer,” the letter stated.

“It is outrageous and unjustifiable to deny us those basic documents, which are critical to our ability to meaningfully prepare for and participate in this investigation,” the lawmakers wrote to Schiff. “We require the same access to the same documents in the same format, as is enjoyed by you and your staff.”

The documents are being stored in a secure facility known as a SCIF (Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility). Under normal circumstances, all members of Congress are permitted to view classified documents at their will inside one of these rooms.

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Just another petty move of the grand Poobah of impeachment inquisition.
When the I’m on the Armed Services Cmte but being blocked from the Dept. Asst. SecDef’s testimony. This is a SHAM!
— Rep. Bradley Byrne

Remember when Democrats wanted Mueller’s Grand Jury testimonies made openly available to them all, in violation of the law? Now they won’t allow Republicans to view the transcripts of the testimony they have heard; they don’t want them to be studying them and planning their response. If and when the “evidence” is made available to the House for consideration, they will have a very brief and insufficient time to view and digest them before a vote. Does anyone actually think Democrats give one goddamn about truth, laws or the Constitution? No one that supports them gives a goddamn about this country; they just want Democrats in power. They only do what benefits THEM.

This entire farce should be STOPPED.

@Deplorable Me: It must be open and televised via C-SPAN, let everyone see the kangaroo proceedings.

@kitt: That’s not how kangaroo courts work. That’s why they aren’t open.

GOP Lawmakers Cannot View Impeachment Docs Without Supervision of Democrats…

…because sensitive information would be immediately revealed to Trump’s lawyers and to prospective witnesses who could then coordinate their lies with reduced concern about being caught in perjury.

@Greg: Thats insane, think there are already republicans in the room, Im sure Adam would remove them if he could. He badgers witnesses, refuses to release transcripts. Is a material witness that should recuse himself from the inquisition.

Remember Evergreen College?
The president there let the students of color take over the campus, even the classes.
One professor needed to go to the bathroom and was at first denied that “right.”
Later, almost too much later, he was allowed to go with a student minder in sight the entire time!
That’s the level of Dem oversight of this impeachment farce.
So, who also knows what happened to Evergreen College?
It lost much of its expected (depended upon) enrollment and has now closed many departments with total failure looking to be its only future.
Dems?
See the pattern?
That’s you, soon.

@Nan G: They spied on the President again, created a hoax and now think they can, after it has been exposed, still pull it off. So paranoid they had the room swept for bugs.

When the dots are all identified and connected, half of them are going to be Russian.

Giuliani was paid $500,000 by company founded by arrested associate

President Trump’s personal attorney Rudolph W. Giuliani was paid $500,000 last year by a company founded by one of his business associates who was arrested last week and charged with campaign finance violations.

Giuliani told The Washington Post late Monday that he was confident the money he received for work conducted on behalf of the Florida-based business called Fraud Guarantee, which was co-founded by Lev Parnas, was legitimate and originated in the United States.

“I know exactly where the money came from. I knew it at the time,” he said. “I will prove beyond any doubt it came from the United States of America.”

Giuliani had previously said he worked for Fraud Guarantee in 2018 and 2019 but had not confirmed how much he was paid. The figure was first reported by Reuters.

The payment means Giuliani’s firm was earning $500,000 from Parnas just as Giuliani began working closely with Parnas and a business partner, Igor Fruman, to dig up dirt on Democrats in Ukraine. The information the three men collected prompted Trump to press Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to investigate former vice president Joe Biden, which has led to the Trump impeachment inquiry by the House.

What a coincidence.

Parnas and Fruman were arrested last week and charged with illegally routing foreign money to U.S. political candidates and committees and using corporate accounts to hide the source of the funds. They have not yet entered a plea in the case.

Parnas has said he began working with Giuliani in Ukraine late last year, introducing him to current and former Ukrainian officials who said they had information about alleged interference by Ukraine in the 2016 election and an energy company on whose board Biden’s son Hunter Biden used to sit.

Parnas and Fruman, both emigres from former Soviet republics, had little history of involvement in Republican politics but shot into the upper echelon of Trump supporters after Parnas made a $50,000 donation to Trump’s campaign and the Republican Party in 2016 and a pro-Trump super PAC reported receiving a $325,000 donation from a different company incorporated by the two men in May 2018…

Guiliana is working for Donald Trump for free. So was Paul Manafort. What a couple of patriots.

During a court hearing today, Edward MacMahon, Lev Parnas’ attorney, informed Judge Paul Oetken that his client has been advised by one of Trump’s lawyers, John Doud, to invoke executive privilege, as some of the evidence in his case may prove to be sensitive.

Really? What would this guy be doing with sensitive information?

How crazy will this all have to get before Trump supporters begin to realize nothing about any of it is even remotely normal?

@Greg: You notice how there are no anons or reliable sources? They plead not guilty you are 2 steps behind.
The language in your article is quite the button pusher.

Parnas and Fruman, both emigres from former Soviet republics

, seriously that could mean they were East Germans, Polish. They are Ukranians.

to dig up dirt on Democrats in Ukraine

oh my thats just what Steele was doing being paid for by the DNC except he went directly to Russians connected directly to Putin got disinformation and fed it to the IC under Barry.
Fact is there are companies that its almost all they do, they are hired by politicians to assist in campaigns.
One of their lawyers suggested President Donald Trump could try to invoke executive privilege over some of the evidence in the case.
I seriously dont think it applies.
Attorney representing Parnas, Joseph Bondy, criticized the Justice Department for what he called “a smear campaign run by misleading and self-serving leaks apparently from the highest levels of government.”
Now comes the trial and we shall see.
Where are the Russians Greggy where are the Russian dots? Quick in the closet, no look under your bed, OMG are those nesting dolls on the dresser!

Donald Trump@realDonaldTrump

So some day, if a Democrat becomes President and the Republicans win the House, even by a tiny margin, they can impeach the President, without due process or fairness or any legal rights. All Republicans must remember what they are witnessing here – a lynching. But we will WIN!

4:52 AM – 22 Oct 2019

What you’re observing is the first step of the impeachment process. If articles of impeachment pass in the House, you will have been indicted. That will be followed by a formal trial in the Senate, as prescribed by the Constitution.

This isn’t a criminal prosecution, as you’ve been deemed to be totally immune to that. Your lawyers claim you can’t even be criminally investigated.

Exactly what “due process” or “legal rights” are you being deprived of? You already have more legal immunity than any other person in the United States. What is it that you are lacking?

@Greg: The only “sensitive information” that would be revealed is that there is, as yet, not ONE BIT of evidence supporting impeachment. NOTHING. None of the witnesses have revealed first hand knowledge of Trump doing anything improper and you know why? Because he HASN’T done anything improper. We have the transcript.

Wahoo Warren is threatening Israel with loss of US support unless they commit to a two-state solution. Is that quid pro quo? Does this disqualify her as President and mean she should be removed from the Senate? How is what she pledges any different from what you accuse Trump of doing? Or what Biden, Durbin, Menendez and Leahy actually did? ANSWER.

After the Mueller report was released, Democrats demanded the Grand Jury testimony be released to them. Even though this is against the law, they demanded the law be broken (even though they could go and read it in a secure location). Yet now, when Republicans want the transcripts be released, they supposedly contain MOST SECRET information that they fear being revealed. Well, that secret information is that their entire attack is a sham based on lies.

The “dirt on Democrats” from Ukraine is that they colluded with Ukraine to get help for Hillary. Also, that Biden extorted Ukraine to kill an investigation that would have lead right to his son and, ultimately, to him. True, that is DIRT. The dirtiest dirt imaginable. But it is right and proper that it be investigated. If you don’t like YOUR dirt exposed, then stop supporting corrupt, lying criminals like Obama, Hillary and Biden.

Currently, they look dirty as hell. Why don’t you want the investigation completed to clear them? Oh… that’s right. You ASSUME they are guilty because being scumbags is totally in their character, so you are AFRAID of investigation.

What you’re observing is the first step of the impeachment process.

No, the FIRST step is that the President commits a crime. We haven’t had that step; without any evidence or credible suspicion, the Democrats are looking for something… ANYTHING they can use. That is in no way proper or Constitutional. That is spoiled little brats throwing a tantrum because they lost an election; nothing else. Democrats are going against everything that the Constitution and this country stands for. They are serving Putin and Iran. They are fully and completely anti-American.

And you wholeheartedly support it. Despicable.

@kitt:

He badgers witnesses, refuses to release transcripts. Is a material witness that should recuse himself from the inquisition.

And he LIES. We have him on video; he LIES. The entire point of these “hearings” is to generate public support for something that doesn’t exist; a reason to impeach. So, instead of referring to the actual transcript, Schitt had to make up his own dialogue that, were THAT reality, impeachment might be required. HE needs to be impeached.

So paranoid they had the room swept for bugs.

Totalitarians are always paranoid.

@Nan G:

Remember Evergreen College?

Well, we definitely have children in charge of the House right now.

@Deplorable Me: A president who is not even able to defend himself, to look at the evidence, to question the witnesses.” There are no true witnesses, just second hand gossips.
The storming of the Starchamber brings attention to this irregular procedure that Buggy eyes has contrived.
Greg doesnt know what due process is. His banana republic education shines bright again.
Ive seen websites run like this If you think Avery is guilty you cant comment, and if you try they permanently ban you from the sight. Avery had more due process. He murdered that woman and is rotting where he belongs, sad WI has no death penalty.

Bombshell. The walls are closing in. Donald Trump’s defense has collapsed. The quid pro quo has been proven, the case for impeachment is obvious, and the only question remaining is whether the lickspittle Republicans will finally do their duty and vote to oust this disgraceful President.

The Editorial Board of The Wall Street Journal (AKA Conservative Rag)

When the likes of the WSJ spells it out and even Fox News starts to choke, well, that’s telling.

The illegal storming of the hearing was a hoax. It’s much like Trump’s tweets- muddy the water and throw sand in the air in order to distract.

13 Republicans already had access to these hearings which further proves it was just a con game-which is pretty much all the Republican Party has become.

@Ronald J Ward: Did you miss the “Editorial Board” part? You cut and pasted it… how did you miss it?

That’s an opinion, and like all opinions, they are like AJ’s.

If there was “proof”, Schitt would have leaked it. Have you seen the leak? Have you seen the evidence? There was a bombshell that the Democrats had definite proof Trump colluded with Russians to win in 2016. I won’t bother asking you because NO OTHER liberal will even acknowledge the question, much less answer it. You never provide any answers to actual questions, so no doubt you will maintain your willful ignorance. But, the fact remains that Democrats have had one “bombshell” after another and every one turned out to be nothing but a hollow practice round.

You support the secrecy because your prefer being ignorant to knowing the truth. That is how Democrats survive being Democrats: self-imposed stupidity.

@Ronald J Ward: Keep telling yourself that opinions are facts. There are 21 documents the Republicans cannot see. Schiff refuses to provide them.
All nine Republicans on House Intel Committee send letter to Chairman Schiff accusing him of ‘withholding the existence of…documents from the minority.’ . Also slam ‘highly irregular manner’ of impeachment investigation.
I can name the 9 can you name the other 4?
BTW The WSJ changes headlines depending on the political demographic where it is being sold. “Editorial Board” its opinion dude.
like this one https://www.wsj.com/articles/adam-schiffs-grand-jury-11571003444

@kitt: If Democrats actually thought they had grounds for impeachment and it was vital to the nation to impeach such a terrible President, they would be holding the proceedings in public and allowing all to see the documents as they became available. That way, all members of the House could make an intelligent decision as soon as a vote was called.

Instead, the Democrats want to build public support for impeachment instead of a Constitutional case (kind of like they thing about national elections). If they ever plan a vote, it will be preceded by a document dump which Republicans (Democrats won’t be interested in the facts) will have a very short time to digest before a vote is called. Every vote is intended to be in response to public pressure, not legal evidence.

@kitt:

What you and your cloned friend seem to omit is that the testimony of William Taylor pretty much sealed the deal-and there are so many smoking guns, that in itself wasn’t even needed. The real question isn’t so much if your con man is guilty but rather how he can sell his quilt to the people with minimal damage.

Of course, Trump is still allowed his due process. The House is merely an inquiry board. The Senate will be the actual trial and of course, they will acquit regardless of evidence or hell, even if Trump were to come in and say “damn right I did it and I plan to do it again”. This is kinda like you guys- you suck trump butt and hate Democrats and that’s all that matters to you.

But how this pans out with the overall constituents will be another story.

@Ronald J. Ward:

What you and your cloned friend seem to omit is that the testimony of William Taylor pretty much sealed the deal-and there are so many smoking guns, that in itself wasn’t even needed.

Really? How do you know? The testimony is secret. All we know is what he DIDN’T say, and he didn’t say he had any first hand knowledge of Trump committing a crime. There is no evidence to support impeachment or the Democrats would not be doing everything in secret. Stupid people are, it appears, easily duped.

@Deplorable Me: Easy there, let the guy prance about in his fantasy world, it will all to soon crash down like all the other hoaxes contrived by the DNC. The smoking guns always have fingerprints of the DNC, who owns the DNC?…. you know.

@Deplorable Me:

“If the facts are against you, argue the law. If the law is against you, argue the facts. If the law and the facts are against you, pound the table and yell like hell.”
Carl Sandburg

@Ronald J. Ward:

But how this pans out with the overall constituents will be another story.

Yes it will.

@Ronald J. Ward:

And when someone asks you to provide you facts, run away flailing your skinny arms like a teenage girl. If anyone wants to see the facts, declare them all secret and provide dimwits with self-serving lies.

AJ and Adam Schitt

@Deplorable Me:

And when someone asks you to provide you facts

With your under-performing command of the English language aside, not if that “someone” happens to be someone of insignificance.

@Deplorable Me, #12:

Wahoo Warren is threatening Israel with loss of US support unless they commit to a two-state solution. Is that quid pro quo?

No, it isn’t. It isn’t even a threat. Unlike Trump’s Ukrainian proposition, she’s only voicing an opinion in the context of political campaign. She doesn’t actually have the power to withhold anything or receive anything in return, so quid pro quo isn’t even a possibility.

If she were currently in a position to make such a proposal, we’d still be lacking abuse of power, so long as the thing she was trying to achieve was a legitimate foreign policy objective rather than personal gain or advantage. Quid pro quo is only unacceptable in the latter context. It’s a perfectly normal part of diplomacy and foreign policy to strike bargains between nations, with one thing being exchanged for another. That’s how agreements are reached.

@Greg:

qid pro quo isn’t even a possibility

Thats what we are trying to explain to you. Ukraine did not know Trump delayed the aid, a delay to make sure the EU would hold to their part of the aid. The aid wasnt even part of the conversation, read the transcript nowhere is aid mentioned, unlike in Bidens braggart inane confession.
Even if he asked for a favor a favor is granted without payment, the Favor part of the conversation had nothing to do with Quid Pro Joe. It was in reference to the origins of the Russia investigation, yes investigating the investigators, that has Clapper, Brennan and Comey a bit shook up.
Why the delay of the IG report? New evidence?

@Greg:

No, it isn’t. It isn’t even a threat. Unlike Trump’s Ukrainian proposition, she’s only voicing an opinion in the context of political campaign.

Oh… so she’s LYING. Because, what she is saying is what she intends to do as President. Since she WOULD do this (she says) she WOULD commit a quid pro quo. So, she should be run out of the Senate. Right? Or, again, is it OK when Democrats like Biden, Hillary, Obama, Durbin, Menendez and Leahy do it?

But Trump DIDN’T do it. The other party needs to know you are withholding until they provide their half of the bargain for it to be quid pro quo. We know that wasn’t the case; Zelensky says so.

If she were currently in a position to make such a proposal, we’d still be lacking abuse of power, so long as the thing she was trying to achieve was a legitimate foreign policy objective rather than personal gain or advantage.

Hmmm…. I’m confused. What did keeping Hunter’s $50,000 a month flowing to him have to do with national security? What did dirt on Trump have to do with national security? Explain.

Trump’s “bargain” was to confirm that Ukraine was not corrupt before we handed them $400 million. That has nothing to do with Trump’s conversation; he wanted Ukraine’s help to look into interference in the 2016 election. See, attacking our system of electing officials IS a national security issue. Obama, Hillary, Brennan, Durbin, Menendez, Leahy and Biden were looking out for Democrat party interests. The entire impeachment circus is intended for looking out for Democrat party interests. They DESPISE this country.

@Ronald J. Ward: Thanks for confirming what a cowardly little fact-avoiding worm you are, AJ. It wasn’t necessary, though.

@kitt, #22:

Thats what we are trying to explain to you. Ukraine did not know Trump delayed the aid, a delay to make sure the EU would hold to their part of the aid.

The president of Ukraine didn’t know his country hadn’t received the approved aid?Of course he knew. It was approved as part of our 2019 federal budget on February 15, 2019, the full text of which is a public record and has been available online since passage of the resolution. The specific allocation for Ukraine can be found in Sec. 7046. (a)(2)

That Zelensky didn’t know about the delay is a nonsensical disinformation meme rolled out to create confusion about the meaning of the telephone conversation. The media had already reported that both the Pentagon and Congress were concerned that the aid hadn’t been issued.

On a related note, most of the hurricane disaster relief funds for Puerto Rico approved by Congress were never released, either. HUD deliberately screwed up the process by failing to notify island officials of the dates by which necessary paperwork had to be submitted. Carson has openly acknowledged and defended what his department did. It probably wasn’t Carson’s own idea to defy Congress and screw over the 3 million U.S citizens living on the island. What does Trump care? They aren’t allowed to vote.

@Greg:

The president of Ukraine didn’t know his country hadn’t received the approved aid?Of course he knew.

So Zelensky is lying?

That he didn’t know about the delay is a nonsensical disinformation meme rolled out to create confusion about the meaning of the telephone conversation.

So, Zelenzky is lying?

On a related note, most of the hurricane disaster relief funds for Puerto Rico approved by Congress were never released, either.

Now, there we KNOW corruption abounds, don’t we? Good old Democrats, stealing and wasting while the people suffer. One wonders why, if they were needing aid, they didn’t have the paperwork ready and waiting? Democrat incompetence… again.

@Greg: Not at all related PR officials indicted on corruption charges.
https://nypost.com/2017/09/30/inept-puerto-rican-government-riddled-with-corruption-ceo
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/10/us/puerto-rico-corruption.html
Is this why the people still have tarps on the roofs?
It is certainly why PR had a less than 3rd world grid, and bankrupt.
Perhaps we could ship the southern invaders over to do the work PRs dont want to do like put roofs on houses.

@Deplorable Me, #29:

So, Zelenzky is lying?

What did Zelensky say? I haven’t seen the quote you’re referring to. You’re asking about a quote you haven’t provided.

This would be an example of a lie:

Donald Trump@realDonaldTrump

Wow! Yet another big storm heading to Puerto Rico. Will it ever end? Congress approved 92 Billion Dollars for Puerto Rico last year, an all time record of its kind for “anywhere.”

11:09 AM · Aug 27, 2019

Federal aid to Puerto Rico last year was actually less than half that amount. It’s not a foreign country. It’s an American island populated by over 3 million U.S citizens that had just been devastated by a natural disaster. Many U.S. states received far more federal dollars that year.

@Greg: Imagine if they gave interest free loans with a portion of that money for people to rebuild their homes its a tiny island can you say where all the federal dollars went? to the people? Incompetent and corrupt PR officials squandered it.
How much in federal income tax did the people of PR contribute for these emergency funds?

@Greg: I guess that’s the problem of worshiping at the altar of liberal media; ignorance is guaranteed.

https://time.com/5686305/zelensky-ukraine-denies-trump-pressure/

@Greg:

Federal aid to Puerto Rico last year was actually less than half that amount. It’s not a foreign country.

It’s an American island populated by over 3 million U.S citizens that had just been devastated by a natural disaster

. Puerto Rico is approx. half of the Houston metropolitan area in population yet it deserves that kind of money?

Considering the proven corruption in Puerto Rico, we need to cut them loose and tell them not one more damn dime until they get their act together.

@Ronald J Ward:

The Editorial Board of The Wall Street Journal (AKA Conservative Rag)

You really are a dumass. The Editorial Board (called “the desk”) of The Journal (writers, proof readers, editor), contrary to the financial desk, has been left leaning for the last 30 years. It became worse when Dow Jones sold it.

What you and your cloned friend seem to omit is that the testimony of William Taylor pretty much sealed the deal

Really? And you know what Taylor said in his “testimony” how? Are you, and Schiff-for-brains email buddies? Or is it that you need to conflate an opening statement with actual testimony in order to push your lie?

If Taylor’s testimony, not his opening statement which is based largely on second hand information that has yet to be confirmed, is so damning, tell your buddy Schiff-for-brains to release the testimony to the public since he (Schiff) declared at the beginning of the hearing it was not “classified.”

@Greg:

Federal aid to Puerto Rico last year was actually less than half that amount. It’s not a foreign country. It’s an American island populated by over 3 million U.S citizens that had just been devastated by a natural disaster. Many U.S. states received far more federal dollars that year.

Good one, bro!!

Guess we should all just roll over and let your party take over the country, do away with fair elections and due process, and let them re-write our governing documents and fundamentally change our country…with the Democrats permanently in charge!

You have to assign a meaning that doesn’t exist, and then hammer it over and over again.

Any President can be cherry-picked for statements that conveniently are “lies” for the purpose of the opposition’s propaganda

@Nathan Blue: Cherry picked?
Trump provides a cherry tree—hell a whole cherry orchard to pick from.

I do think the hearings should be open and The House should do an up and down vote ASAP

Don’t believe Tulsi will make a 3rd Party run though Repubs are understandably pushing her.to do so.

Think Biden may drop out and Bloomberg get in

@retire05:

You kinda evaded the point that Trump’s Tweet was either an outright lie, or he doesn’t know WTF he’s talking about. What’s his problem with Puerto Ricans, who are every bit as much U.S. citizens as he is himself? (Or you are, for that matter.)

Puerto Rico is approx. half of the Houston metropolitan area in population yet it deserves that kind of money?

I don’t recall all of Houston being catastrophically damaged by a natural disaster recently, nor that it is separated from the rest of the world by oceans on all sides, making disaster response a unique difficult logistical problem.

@Greg: PR isnt a state, and contributes nothing in federal income taxes. A territory, 3rd world wonder of corruption and incompetence.

@retire05: Apparently all Democrats like to base their prejudiced opinions on hearsay and second hand knowledge. But, faced with cold hard facts about their scumbag legislators, they cannot face the truth.

@Richard Wheeler:

I do think the hearings should be open and The House should do an up and down vote ASAP

They’ve had three votes on impeachment; all voted down. That’s the whole purpose of these hearings and the secrecy keeping the facts (which dispel the Democrat accusations). It’s a popularity contest, to cultivate popular support for impeachment (as opposed to Constitutional support) in order to either control the 2020 outcome or pressure more Representatives to support impeachment solely on political need.

Don’t believe Tulsi will make a 3rd Party run though Repubs are understandably pushing her.to do so.

Other than Hillary saying it, I’ve heard nothing supporting the rumor of her third party run. She has next to no Democrat support as it is; what benefit to Republicans would her third party run be? Doesn’t make a bit of sense other than a gutless slam from Hillary.

Biden just went up in the polls. He ain’t getting out until Hillary tells him to.

Biden down 7 to Warren in Quinnipiac poll released today;
Tulsi at 3% which puts her currently 7TH.—long way to go

@kitt, #40:

Actually, no. In spite of the financial crisis affecting Puerto Rico through fiscal year 2016, the island still generated $3.6 billion in federal tax revenue that year. As the linked article points out, that’s not much less that was paid by Vermont and Wyoming that same year.

@Greg:

I don’t recall all of Houston being catastrophically damaged by a natural disaster recently,

Were you in a self induced drug coma during Harvey, you moron? Oh, that’s right, you added a caveat of “all” thinking you are too cute by half.

the island still generated $3.6 billion in federal tax revenue that year. As the linked article points out, that’s not much less that was paid by Vermont and Wyoming that same year.

Oh, how nice. Puerto Rico, an island of three and a half million people paid not much less than Vermont, population 600 thousand and Wyoming 500 thousand, 1/7th the population of Puerto Rico. Puerto Rico, with all the benefits of the federal government, should be paying seven times the amount of Wyoming.

You remain ever the perpetual idiot.

@retire05, #44:

Did Hurricane Harvey result in 300,000 people in Houston losing their homes, and over 3,000 fatalities? Because that’s what happened in Puerto Rico.

Harvey did an estimated $125 billion in damage to the entire multi-state region it affected. Maria did $139 billion in damage to Puerto Rico alone.

Trump has brought out a lot of people’s inner a-hole. He has glorified the utterly contemptible in his followers’ eyes. What was he saying today? That his republican critics are human scum, I believe. A sentiment with which his White House spokesperson publicly concurred.

He doesn’t belong in the peoples’ White House, for more reasons than can be conveniently listed. He was preceded by a better President, and will be followed by one whoever it turns out to be. It’s hard to imagine the standards being set by the current White House being reduced any further. With Trump, we’ve scraped the bottom of the barrel. It will take time and concerted effort to regain the dignity of office and credibility that we’ve lost.

@Richard Wheeler: Hey Rich,

Trump is a brute, he’s incendiary, ruthless, and fearless. That’s why I voted for him. I did not invite him over for a game of basketball, to have a drink, or netflix and chill.

I’m not sure anything less that Trump’s bold and bombastic ways could survive the corruption of the Dem party. They’d destroy anyone else with their misinformation machine.

Tulsi and Yang are the Dem party I can respect, support, and even vote for. That a minority female veteran (Gabbard) is having her political throat cut by her own party MUST be a wakeup call for Dem supporters.

What falls short when criticizing Trump is his results; that’s what this is really about. He’s reversing the progress the Dems made to entrench themselves in seats of power, so Trump has to go by any means necessary.

To bad the country is ruled by the people, not the Dem party.

The House failed to get the votes for an impeachment inquiry, so are trying to invent a new way of impeaching Trump, which is wrong and immoral.

I’ve no issue with impeaching Trump. There just has to be something to impeach for, first. The Ukraine call isn’t a cause, especially when you have Biden on tape saying he’d withhold aid unless they fired a prosecutor.

If the Dems didn’t own the media, none of this would be happening.

I won’t uphold any move the Dems make to impeach.

@Greg: People in Houston didnt stand in front of pallets of aide and whine that nothing was being done.
Food aid found in dumpsters, hundreds of pallets of water left on tarmacs because of their incompetence.
Not showing up for FEMA meetings, the one blonde chasing cameras. Not organizing transport for supplies desperately needed in the interior of the country. Cargo containers lined up, hundreds of them, and there she was in a Tshirt and goofy hat, showing a level of entitlement that made people want to puke.
People were drinking contaminated water.
Storms have always hit that island, you would think they would know what to do to help direct those desperate to help.
The Truck driver thing nobody ever told a straight story on.
It is only roughly the size of the state of Connecticut. most live near the coast.
Having a fancy ice rink was more important than their infrastructure.
On January 6, 2018, representatives of FEMA, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers and their armed security details entered a Palo Seco warehouse owned by PREPA to obtain and distribute a massive store of spare parts were needed to restore grid power. PREPA has been accused of hoarding the materials and hence delaying the restoration of power. The equipment has since been distributed.
The power company is a government monopoly, poorly run.
$3.8B was spent on power grid work since the September hurricanes, the grid is still considered fragile and vulnerable.
We want the people of PR to have all the things of modern life and prosper they need to clean up the deadwood in the government.
The young that left the island will most likely never go back, they have reliable utilities good roads, job opportunities all the things of modern life why return? 175K in 2018 has it hit 10 % of the population yet?

@kitt, #47:

People in Houston didnt stand in front of pallets of aide and whine that nothing was being done.

Neither did people in Puerto Rico, but I suppose Trump thought it made a good story. Pallets containing a million plastic bottles were offloaded onto an airport runway on the east coast if the island without taking into account that there was no functional distribution chain. After a few days in the hot sun the water was tainted by the plastic containers and unfit to drink.

Here’s What We Know About All That Bottled Water Abandoned in Puerto Rico

Debunking Trump’s endless stream of bullshit is like trying to sweep the tide back with a broom.

@Greg: BS the mayor of San Juan stood in front of pallets of aid and screamed about Trump. The water was covered by tarps not left out in the sun. Any different than in a warehouse?

San Juan Mayor to Liberal Media: We Are Getting No Help From Trump – As She Stands In Front of Pallets of Aid

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/hurricane-maria-water-bottles-puerto-rico_n_5b9980eee4b
20 thousand pallets of water the PR authorities failed to distribute in a timely fashion, a CBS report not Trump .
Pray for PR She is running for governor of Puerto Rico in 2020.

@Greg:

Did Hurricane Harvey result in 300,000 people in Houston losing their homes, and over 3,000 fatalities? Because that’s what happened in Puerto Rico.

You are aware that much of the devastation in Puerto Rico is due to the long standing Democrat corruption there that did not take care of the infrastructure of the people? Now, that same corruption siphons off much of the aid and steals it.

He doesn’t belong in the peoples’ White House, for more reasons than can be conveniently listed.

Yes he does. Because, as you and your fellow whiny crybaby sore losers fail to concede, he WON AN ELECTION. If you want another mamby-pamby, failing, lying, corrupt Democrat in there, stop running CRIMINALS. Trump kept what burrowed UNDER the barrel from gaining the White House.

Neither did people in Puerto Rico, but I suppose Trump thought it made a good story.

Greg. Really. It was on video. Come ON.

After a few days in the hot sun the water was tainted by the plastic containers and unfit to drink.

Uh… NO. They sat there for MONTHS.

Proof the relief effort was bungled or sabotaged on the ground in Puerto Rico

Trump Was Right About Puerto Rico’s Government Letting Down Hurricane Victims – These Pictures Prove It

San Juan mayor Cruz left hurricane aid to rot in trailers
https://bb4sp.com/san-juan-mayor-donations-rotting/

Puerto Rican officials charged with stealing aid
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/ny-news-puerto-rico-mayor-arrested-corruption-20180707-story.html#

https://yournewswire.com/puerto-rico-mayor-fraud-disaster/

Your story reeks of bullshit. They didn’t KNOW that vast spread of water was there AFTER they were told it was there? THAT’S incompetence itself.