sundancecracker @ The last Refuge:
By now you are probably aware of another ”green on blue attack“; politispeak for an Afghan army national, who we train and arm, turning his gun on US soldiers at a checkpoint…. Well, there’s more to the story…. there were 17 of the bastards:
First, the official media report:
(Associated Press [AP] Version) –KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) — An Afghan soldier turned his gun on American troops at a checkpoint in the country’s east, killing two Americans and at least two fellow members of Afghanistan’s army in a shooting that marked both the continuance of a disturbing trend of insider attacks and the 2,000th U.S. troop death in the long-running war, officials said Sunday.
The string of insider attacks is one of the greatest threats to NATO’s mission in the country, endangering a partnership key to training up Afghan security forces and withdrawing international troops.
Saturday’s shooting took place at an Afghan army checkpoint just outside a joint U.S.-Afghan base in Wardak province, said Shahidullah Shahid, a provincial government spokesman. (AP article)
Now the IRL [In Real Life] version: So, this is how I’m hearing that the attack happened this morning. A sergeant first class and a contractor approached an ANA checkpoint and struck up a conversation with the officer in charge of the outpost. In mid-sentence, the ANA officer shot the contractor and the sergeant first class, who went down returning fire.
As the sergeant first class was shot, the entire 17-man Afghan unit opened fire on the US convoy which was passing through the checkpoint. Three other soldiers were injured, and one is critical.
That means that there were 17 m’er f’ers who had slipped through the system that we were assured was in place to weed out the goat raping thugs who planned on killing Americans. 17 of them in one unit.
But, don’t worry, because General John Allen is “mad as hell” about it;
ISAF commander General John Allen told US 60 Minutes program in an interview recorded before the latest incident, and scheduled to be aired today, that insider attacks were unacceptable.
“I’m mad as hell about them, to be honest with you,” he said. “We’re willing to sacrifice a lot for this campaign, but we’re not willing to be murdered for it.”
I hope he cleared his anger with the White House, because it was just a few weeks ago Jay Carney told us that the casualties from the “insider” attacks was “negligible” in terms of the strategy.
Yes, for a general to be mad without permission from the White House can be a career ending move. General Allen may have crossed official policy by expressing anger. If he makes the president or Jay Carney look bad, it’s curtains. There are priorities and a chain of command in Obama’s military.
THIS IS UNACCEPTEBLE,
AND ALL THE AFGHAN MILITARY SHOULD FROM YESTERDAY BE PUT ON A LIST OF TRAITORS
AND KILLERS ENEMIES, THERE ARE NO OTHER WAY,
LET THEM WATCH THEIR OWN AND KILL THEM,
OR KILL ANYONE WHO CARRY A GUN ON THE X DISTANCE DANGER ZONE WHERE IS SAFELY
CLOSE TO AMERICAN MILITARY,
OR NATO FORCES,
OR BE SHOT ON THE SPOT, THEY AFGHANS HAVE ALL BEEN WITNESS TO IT AND MUST BE TOLD OF A NO RESPECT ZONE FOR ALL OF THEM OR BE SHOT WITHOUT QUESTIONS OR HESITATION.
COMMANDER ALLEN IS ANGRY, BUT IT DOESN’T STOP THE KILLING,
GET MORE THAN MAD AND ACT TO PROTECT YOUR TROOPS NOW, OR GET THEM OUT AFTER LEVELING THIS LAND, BEFORE MORE GET KILL,
THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH MILITARY IN THERE, THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH WORTHY WAR MANEUVERS IN THERE, THIS WAR HAS EXTENDED HIS LIFE MANY YEARS, AND SHOULD BE DEALT WITH
A NEUTRON BOMB, FOR ALL TO NEVER FORGET THAT THE AMERICANS MILITARY LIVES, NOW OVER 2000
ARE WORTHY, AND GAVE TOO MUCH BLOOD TO THAT NATION.
According to our own DoD, it is the fault of our American troops that the Afghani troops are slaughtering them.
Thirtythree American soldiers have been killed by “green on blue” attacks this year alone. The situaltion uis so bad that the training of Afghan forces has been temporarily suspended, according to the New York Post.
“If you don’t want to be shot in the back by your Afghan training partners, the Pentagon advises, don’t offend their religious sensibilities. Don’t kick your feet up on a table (guess those Afghani “partners” have seen the picture of Obama with his feet up on the Resolution Desk), for instance, and never ask to see a picture of their wives and kids. ‘There’s a percentage [of attacks] which are cultural affronts,’ Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Martin Dempsey said in a recent interview. Dempsey echoes the concerns of Gen. Sher Mohammnad Karimi, the Afghan National Army’s chief of staff, who earlier this month argued both sides need to do more to “teach” foreign troops Islamic traditions and values to reduce the chance of violent reactions to cultural slights. ‘It is our duty to teach this to them. Our indifference about these issues causes the incident,’ he said.”
Got that? Our military are so damn insensitive to the feelings of the Muslims that it causes the Muslims to slaughter them. It is all the fault of our insenstive American soldiers who would rather be home with their own families than stuck in some 7th century hell hole filled with goat f*ckers. Perhaps General Dempsey should call the families of Spc. Mabry Anders and Sgt. Christopher Birdwell and tell them that the reason their sons are dead is because they were just so damned insensitive.
It’s not enough to die for Muslims, we’ve got to avoid the least little insult as well or they’ll kill those trying to save them?
Screw them all.
NUKE THEM ALL,
THEY HAVE THE NERVE TO SHIFT THEIR KILLINGS BLAME THE TROOPS TO THE TROOPS,
THAT IS THE TOP OF THE INSULT,
YES TOLERANCE ZERO FROM NOW ON. OR GET OUT OF THERE, THEY DON’T DESERVE TO BE SAVE, YOU DON’T HAVE ANY FRIENDS IN THERE, EVEN IF THEY ACT NICE,
LET THEM SERVE AS EXEMPLARY PROCEDURE TO BE SHOWN TO OTHER MUSLIMS NATIONS THAT THE MURDEROUS FOOLING AROUND IS TERMINATED,
AND COME BACK HOME, YOUR COUNTRY NEED YOU,
Stupid Bush getting us involved in the first place. Any moron knows you don’t fight long, guerrilla type wars like this. It only breaks the army.
Should have just bombed the place, even using nukes, till they gave up Al Queda. Ditto with Pakistan.
I JUST HEARD THE PENTAGON DOESN’T SEND THE FORMULA TO THE MILITARY
WHO WANT TO VOTE BUT NEED THAT FORMULA,
IT MUST BE OUT NOW OR MANY WON’T BE ABLE TO VOTE,
IS THE PENTAGON IN BED WITH OBAMA?
WHAT IS THIS FRAME FOR? ARE THEY TRYING TO SUPPRESS THE VOTES OF THE BRAVES?
THEY BETTER GET OF THEIR BUTT AND SEND WHAT IS NEEDED RIGHT AWAY, THOSE VOTES ARE NEEDED IN AMERICA,
HELL THOSE MILITARY SPILL THEIR BLOOD SO TO BE A PART OF THE ELECTION PROCESS,
IS THE PENTAGON FILL WITH A BUNCH
OF USELESS DEMOCRATS? FREAKING UP TOO SCARE FOR
LETTING GO OBAMA? DO YOUR JOB, AND DO IT YESTERDAY
YOU’RE LATE TODAY,
OR IT WILL COME BACK TO HAUNT Y’ALL AFTER,
THERE ARE NO EXCUSE AND THE FOX NEWS GUESS WHO IS REQUESTING THOSE PAPER TO BE SENT IN TIME IS OUTRAGE AND THE MILITARY ARE ALSO,
WHAT IS THIS?
YVAN
don’t pin that on BUSH LIKE OBAMA DID TO BE RE-ELECT,
GIVE the responsibility where it should be that is THIS PRESIDENT WHO CUT ON THE TROOPS EVERYTHING THEY NEEDED AS WELL AS MILITARY ENFORCEMENT ,
PLUS A ROE MADE BY A FEAR OF HURTING THE PEOPLE WHO TIPS THE TALIBANS,
THOSE WHO BURRIED THE EID ALL OVER, THOSE WHO HOLD THE REMOTE TO EXPLODE IT, THOSE WHO SHOOT THE MILITARY TO HELP THE TALIBANS, THEY HAVE A PRIORITY OVER OUR MILITARY,
HOW ABOUT THE TALIBAN PUTTING DOWN THEIR WEAPON WHEN DISCOVER BECAUSE THEY KNOW
THE SOLDIERS WON’T OPEN FIRE, THAT IS OBAMA ‘S ROE, SO LEAVE BUSH ALONE,
HE STARTED THAT WAR FOR AN ANSWER TO THE MUSLIMS ATTACKER, HE WAS RIGHT, THIS IS
ANOTHER WAR IN THE SAME PLACE BY OBAMA MAKING A DEAL WITH THE CORRUPT KARZEI TILL 2014,
NOT TOMORROW, AND CLINT EASTWOOD ASK WHY NOT TOMORROW? WHY NOT? BECAUSE HE MADE A DEAL WITH THE DEVIL, AND THEY ARE KILLING OUR BRAVES COWARDLY IN THE BACK.
PRESIDENT KARZEI, CAME TO FOX TO SAY THE TALIBAN HAVE NOT NOT DIMINISH,
THEY HAVE INCREASE,
OBAMA YOU BETTER CHANGE THE ROE, ADD UP A NEUTRON CANDY BAR,
IN AFGHANISTAN
My experiences in Iraq were quite different. There was a real need by the people to change to a different government. While we tried to be sensitive to their religion, the people Iworked with were respectful to us. There was a better system for weeding out the good guys from the bad guys. We had local intrepretors who could tell the bad guys because they were likely from a different tribe. Part of the problem is the rules of engagement. Shoot only when shot at is not a good system.
Randy
what do you think they should do in AFGHANISTAN, TO DIFFERENCIATE THE SOLDIERS AGHANS
WHO DO NOT BRING A DANGER TO KILL THEM IN THE BACK.
I think they all should be suspicious and the military should not trust anyone, because they must be wel paid to kill,
so the military should keep them disarmed, at all time, that should be the first move, let them defend themself with their hands, of course the good ones will pay that price, but the lives of AMERICAN MILITARY ARE WORTH IT, THEN THE MOVES OF THOSE AFGHANS SHOULD BE REPORT
ON A EVERY MINUTE TIME, TO SEE IF THEY MEET OTHER WHO MIGHT BE TALIBAN,
AND A STRATEGY TO LURE THEM IN DISCLOSING IF THEY MAKE DEALS WITH TALIBAN
BYE
@ilovebeeswarzone:
Stop with the all quotes.
Bush put Karzi in, or did you forget that?
YVAN
yes but BUSH did not know that MAN,
HE DID NOT CHOOSE HIM BY HIMSELF EITHER
HE AGREED OF HIS PEOPLE CHOICE, THOSE HE TRUST WHERE WORKING FOR HIM.
NOW IT’S A DIFFERENT GAME, WE KNOW KARZEI MORE FROM THOSE WHO LEARN ABOUT HIM,HE SEEM TO BE READY TO WORK WITH THE TALIBANS NOW,
I THINK THE MILITARY SHOULD BE COMING OUT NOW,
BEFORE ANY OTHER ARE KILLED, THE MILITARY DONE THE MAXIMUM SACRIFICE FOR THAT PEOPLE WHO DON’T DESERVE THE SACRIFICE OF AMERICANS,
@ilovebeeswarzone:
You’re either a liar or ignorant.
In either case, you have no business posting on the internet.
YVAN
WHAT’S WITH YOU?
I have as much busyness as you to post in the internet.
you just insult me,
put the blame where it belong,
stop posting against PRESIDENT BUSH,
HE IS NOT HERE, AND NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR PROBLEMS
@ilovebeeswarzone:
Sorry, Beez, I’m just calling it like I see it. You are ignorant of Bush’s messing up Afghanistan. I don’t like Obama, but I won’t stoop to LYING like you are.
Or, you’re not lying, but you don’t know that the Bush Admin. knew Karzi was corrupt before 2008.
You see, you will stoop to LYING, or you’re willfully ignorant of the truth.
Either way, you shouldn’t post as it is wrong.
I just can’t stand liars or ignoramuses.
stop posting against PRESIDENT BUSH,
@Ivan: So what you are telling us Ivan, is that you are now in charge of who expresses their 1st Amendment rights on the internet?
Do you also work in the school lunch rooms as part of the Food Nazis’, or spend time in the Fluke mandatory sexual perversion school, or Mooschell’ misguided Food Nanny Corps? Maybe you should run for local office to enable you to tell people what they can and can’t do?
For me, I will read Bees posts and use my critical thinking skills to develop my understanding of her comments, good, bad, or indifferent.
@Marine72:
Of course not, I’m saying what is best for all. Do you condone her lying or ignorant statements? Look at how she writes! Grammar skills? Offensive typing styles (typing in CAPS is considered yelling), etc. She doesn’t care a lick about her her linguistic skills and she is too lazy to bother to take the Cap lock key off.
Why would you care to even engage in rational discourse with her? She may be a nice person, unlike you, but she doesn’t belong on this board. *uck, let her stay, read her pablum day-in-and-day-out for all I care. but don’t tell me she says anything worthwhile.
@Marine72:
Of course, but I wonder about your “skills” if you can’t see by how she attempts to communicate that she isn’t informed or educated.
@ilovebeeswarzone:
Some questions:
1. Why do you capitalize some words which don’t require capitalization, then on the other hand you don’t capitalize other words, such as line #3 and the first word “you”, that require capitalization???
2. “Busyness”??? Do you not have a spell-check app?
3. Two independent clauses are not off-set by a comma, but by a semi-colon.
You’ve been here over a year, Bee, so start to work on your posts. We all make mistakes, but you’re very lazy and you could care less about the people reading your posts.
YVAN
you change the primary subject,
it is the full moon, and it affect you,
you have become a mad wherewolf aiming to attack,
you lust for blood,
that’s bad you belong in hell
not on this earth
go back with the dammed
and leave the good people alone
I can fix your problem,
don’t read me anymore
Marine72
I appreciate, you’re help,
thank you
Bees,
Thank you for taking the CAPs lock key off. I see we are making progress. There is hope for you!
Now, do you have spell check? It is imperative that you increase your English skills if you want to influence debate on internet forums. People won’t take you seriously if you can’t/won’t learn to master the English language.
I understand that English isn’t your first language, but you’ve been here long enough to know that it is appreciated by society if one masters the basics.
@ilovebeeswarzone:
Wow, hell? I belong in hell? That’s a bold statement!
Ivan
you belong in hell when you turn into
a wherewolf on the full moon, re- read my comment.
you see the errors in me, but you fail to see my efforts,
I don’t need you to tell me that I improve,
would you like me to tell you your imperfections?
and I’m not here to influence debates,
I just like to give my opinion,
beside, if society judge by the typo errors, instead of the content, I want no part of that group,
I love my group in this FLOPPING ACES,
the CONSERVATIVES, are the brains of AMERICA,
they will win this NOVEMBER 6TH.
THANK’S FOR THE ADVICES
@ilovebeeswarzone:
My criticism of you was constructive, not braying and attacking, like you engaged in.
The fact is that your “buddies”, Mata and Aye, could give two-shakes of a lambs legs about you as they never even care if you improve your communicative skills.
While you and I sometimes disagree on issues, at least I offer suggestions to improve your skills.
A simple,”Thanks, Ivan” would be sufficient, instead of damming me to hell.
I’ll pray for you, Bees.
Signed,
Ivan.
@ilovebeeswarzone:
I have news for you, Bees, but “conservatism” is dead. Dead like Julius Cesar. Romney is a braying liberal from New England. He stated he won’t rescind Obams’s EO on the Dream Act and will keeps much of Obamacare.
He also won’t say what, if any, programs he’ll end in the Federal government. His savings will come from “eliminating waste”.
Game over, Bees.
@Ivan:
While I think it is good that you pray for Bees, and I am sure that Bees is grateful for all prayers that come her way, I also think you are a bit out of line with your criticism of her.
Bees does her best, and I have never known her to insult anyone here. Perhaps you don’t appreciate her effort at conversing in our language, but unlike so many that live in my state, she makes the attempt. For that she should be heralded, not criticized.
Now, the last I checked, only one man ever walked on water and was perfect. You are not that person, and you would be better to check your own shortcomings, not Bees.
As to conservatism being dead; what a falsehood. Conservativism, actually Constitutional conservativism, is seeing a resurgance not seen in generations. Perhaps you didn’t notice that. The narrow margin held by the responsible are speaking out, and are tired of the irresponsible who do nothing to contribute anything worthwhile to our society. They are silent no more.
@retire05:
Really? Where? I felt that way, like you emote in this above quote, in 2009 and 2010 when we sent the vaunted “Tea Party” to DC, yet I now see it was all a Republican trick.
Where are the massive protests about all the government spending and intrusion, Mr. “Constitutional”, into our lives? Nary a beep!
Actually, in case you didn’t notice, Government spending has GROWN since the “Constitutional” Tea Party was swept into power. Did you know that? I’m sure you did, but you don’t want to discuss that. You want to pretend there is some great “resurgence” of limited government just on the horizon! Yes, I know if you keep telling yourself this it will make you feel better, but I wouldn’t hold my breath on this fantasy of yours coming true any time soon.
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Again, given that Romney is losing to a Marxist, how do you figure this? I see socialist and Marxist thought sweeping the land. Look at how each your more and more of our children attend Marxist universities! They don’t graduate with the words of Patrick Henry on their lips, but of Saul Alinsky or Engles and Marx!
Yeah, I’m a little more in-tune with society than you are. Not much escapes me.
Your little speech might work on the small-minded, but not on me. Peddle your pablum somewhere else, 05.
@Ivan: Actually Ivan, there is quite a lot that gets by you. Maybe you should get out in public more if your handlers will let you off your leash!
@Ivan:
What a foolish person you are. You seem to equate protests in the streets with activism. That, Ivan, is your first mistake. No movement, that ever reached any great level of success was based simply on people in the streets waving signs and listening to speeches. Oh, yes, the marches and the sign waving serves to rile the masses, but with out action, quiet, unseen action, those marches and sign wavings gain nothing.
Has government spending increased since 2010? Most certainly. But perhaps you didn’t notice the over 600 state offices that flipped from Democrat to Republican in the mid-term elections. Or the fact that the Democrats took control of the House while the Senate, under Harry Reid, continues to thumb its nose at the American people. Perhaps you didn’t notice that in 2010, establishment RINOs lost to conservative new-comers. Perhaps it eludes you that without both Houses, the conservatives in Congress are being blockaded from enacting conservative, fiscally responsible bills.
As to the Alinsky vs. Patrick Henry situation in our universities; whose fault is that? Education begins at the local level and it is up to people, like you, like me, to get involved in the teaching of our children. Do you attend your school board meetings, or investigate the philosophies of the professors at your state universities? I do, and have, and have joined others in calling for the dismissal of Robert Jensen, who is a self proclaimed Marxist, but has tenure. Rome wasn’t built in a day, but it took only one night to burn it down because no one tried to put the fires out and instead ran and hid.
In 2010 in my small town, perhaps there would be 15 people show up at the monthly TEA Party meetings. Now that number is well over 100, each and every month. The TEA Party, while you whine how they are not marching, are now canvasing their neighborhoods. They are talking to their friends, neighbors, church members, etc. that they too, must become active. They are handing out voter guides, literature on reading materials, lists of websites that will take you to the history of our Constitution. No, foolish person, activism is not always loud. Sometimes it comes as quietly as the dawn. So either you live in a deep blue state or you are oblivious to what is going on around the nation.
Have things changed since the elections in 2008? Most certainly and let me give you an example of how: I live in an area of Texas where Austin [the San Francisco of the Southwest] is the nearest large city to me. I often have to go there for access to stores not in my area, or to the doctor’s office, etc. In 2008, Austin, Texas [the San Francisco of the Southwest] was a sea of Obama signs. Obama signs in yards, Obama bumper stickers on many, many vehicles. Obama bill boards. In 2008, it was impossible to count all the Obama bumper stickers driving down I-35. Not this year. Last week, I counted TWO. TWO. And while I am puzzled why even two people still support Obama (who I also believe is an Alinsky Marxist) the fact that a city as liberal as Austin has few Obama signs is absolutely amazing.
So it would seem that your claim of being “more in-tuned with society” is just a fallacy.
@retire05: There are people who surround themselves with a few ideas and due to their limited thought processes, they only ever recognize their ideas. Ideas and activity outside of the little comfortable world they create ceases to exist. You can shove it right into their face and they will never see. hear or feel it. Most are liberals. Conseratives have their quota, too. Ivan is one.
Randy
it make me think that if you would have DONE THE SAME THING AND limited yourself with your ideas concerning only
your area, where you stood in the IRAQ WAR-ZONE,
you would not have make it back alive,
bye
@Randy:
So profound, so deep! You’re an an intellectual giant.
@Randy:
So I guess there is going to be some huge, “limited government” victory in November?
Right?
@Ivan: @Ivan: check this out! http://townhall.com/columnists/rachelalexander/2012/10/03/clint_bolick_and_the_goldwater_institute_quietly_transforming_the_country We lost the country a piece at a time, we should expect to regain it the same way, one piece at a time.
@Randy:
I don’t think it’s plausible. The communist are running the place now and have their ear to the ground, wall, etc., and are quick to suppress any dissent. We see this every day. Look at the stupid Chicken sandwich boycott.
You see, the right-wing is mad up of decent, God-fearing people, while the left is made up of people who have no soul, thus they lie, cheat and steal to win power. The Right-wing, for the most part, doesn’t have it in them to fight dirty, which is what it will take to get the country back.
@retire05:
What a fool you are. You equate “quite action” to progress. The left won our nation, and they own it for the most part, because they were ACTIVE, not “quite”. They got out, mobilized, plotted and took action. All the while the right-wing just sat on their ass watching NFL Today, Saturday College ball, Lakers/Celtics, etc. You get my point.
Here is a statistic for you.
Voters in 2008: 53% women, 47% men.
There you go. The hens vote for the Dems and the “men” don’t even bother to get off their fat behinds to vote. To busy watching porn, football, Lakers/Celtics, whatever, to get involved in the elections.
In every conservative group I’m active in the women outnumber the men dramatically. It’s like the men don’t give a damn-“let the gals do it.”
People who described themselves at “conservative” made up 34% of the electorate. Guess what percent of them voted for Obama? 20%.
132,000,000 votes were cast on that election day. Let’s do some math, shall we retire05?
(.34)(.20)(132,000,000) = 9,000,000.
9×10^6 “conservatives” vote for Obama? That’s a lot.
It shows that conservatism has been watered down to the point where it is a joke. I meet “conservatives” all day who are really liberals, by 1980s standards, yet all the other “Conservatives” lap that ship up like a dog to a bowl of water on a hot day.
I’m sick of the faux-conservatives, many who are on this site and other sites. They have ruined the Republican Party and the sooner you wake up and take your coffee over how bad things are-and they won’t get better-the better off you’ll be.
Denial is not a river in Egypt.