Fox News posted a story about the “outrage” from Ramaswamy and Elon Musk calling for more hiring foreign talent.
Trump world warriors Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy have ignited an intra-MAGA battle with their proposals to increase immigration visas for high-skill workers.
Musk and Ramaswamy, who have been tapped by President-elect Donald Trump to lead his Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE), argued that American culture has not prioritized education enough, and therefore foreign workers are needed for tech companies like Musk’s SpaceX and Tesla.
The pair saw their conservative sway skyrocket throughout the 2024 election as they grew closer to Trump, but the wealthy businessmen now find themselves butting heads with Trump’s most ardent base that wants to see Trump make good on promises of immigration restrictions and promoting the U.S. labor force.
Trump restricted access to foreign worker visas during his first administration and has critiqued the H-1B visas program, which allows U.S. companies to hire foreign workers in specialty occupations.
Promote all the US labor force all you want- the talent isn’t there.
“There is a permanent shortage of excellent engineering talent. It is the fundamental limiting factor in Silicon Valley,” Musk wrote on X, arguing that the tech industry needs to “double” the number of engineers working in the U.S. today.
Musk is 100% right.
I have both a relative and a close friend who are engineers. One is a mechanical engineer, and the other is an aeronautical engineer and they both say the same thing- they cannot find enough American engineering talent and are forced to hire foreign born engineers.
There is a dire shortage of American-born engineering talent.
This from 2015
The US Needs More Engineers. What’s the Solution?
The gap between new engineering roles created and new engineers entering the US market each year is stark with projections estimating that nearly one-third of engineering roles will remain unfilled each year through at least 2030. The profession is challenged by insufficient training and limited coordination between industries and educational institutions. To help bridge the gap, BCG and SAE are working together to initiate a coordinated, multipronged, and sustainable response effort that involves both public and private-sector players.
2023
Why US civil engineering firms face a labor shortage
Civil engineering firms find it difficult to hire and retain the skilled workers they need for all the infrastructure work that is suddenly available. Some firms have to make difficult decisions about what work they can and cannot do.
The problem is clear to many leaders in the architecture, engineering, and construction industry: There simply are not enough engineers to do all the infrastructure work planned or underway in the U.S. This is especially true following the recent influx of hundreds of billions of dollars in federal funding over the next several years from the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act and the Inflation Reduction Act.
Certain industries are booming – with the manufacturing sector being one of these.
Insights reveal that the number of manufacturing establishments in the U.S. grew by more than 11% between Q1 2019 and Q2 2023. And industry growth drives the need for more workers with varied skill sets.
But there is a shortage of potential candidates applying for the positions being created by this growth. This labor shortage, particularly in the manufacturing and engineering sectors, has been a topic of conversation for years.
However, according to recent reports, many business leaders in these industries (over 65%) cited the “inability to attract and retain employees” as their primary challenge in the first quarter of 2024.
In addition, statistics from the U.S. Bureau of Labor revealed that around 750,000 jobs are currently unfilled in the manufacturing sector – even though U.S. unemployment is at historically low levels.
A joint report by The Manufacturing Institute and Deloitte has predicted that an estimated 2.1 million manufacturing jobs will remain unfilled in the U.S. by 2030. And these unfilled jobs are costing the economy $2.5 trillion, according to McKinsey estimates.
The U.S. is on the precipice of an engineering crisis. As we hurtle toward 2030, the nation faces a staggering shortfall in engineering talent, with projections showing that nearly one in three engineering positions could remain unfilled. The stakes are high. This talent gap threatens not just to cripple industries, but to stall critical government projects that are vital to the nation’s future. The problem goes beyond numbers—it’s about the skills, the diversity, and the lack of a unified response to the impending disaster.
The American engineering talent isn’t there in sufficient numbers.
@Laura Loomer hasn’t got a damned idea what she’s talking about
And Steve Bannon has this f**ked up as well
Steve Bannon on H-1B Visas:
“This whole thing about oh…they’re only geniuses…H-1B Visas…that’s NOT what it’s about. It’s about taking American jobs and bringing over essentially what have become indentured servants at lower wages…the thing’s a SCAM by the Oligarchs in Silicon… pic.twitter.com/s9iS0XNZ9M— MAGA Kitty (@SaveUSAKitty) December 27, 2024
And they are not alone in their ignorance
Musk and his engineers. I only see two white men. One father wrote that his white son earned an engineering degree, graduated with honors and can’t even get an interview. His friends face similar struggles. What is going on in Silicon Valley? https://t.co/8qC4aZANmP pic.twitter.com/zOVglUmXcI
— Independent American (@MAGAX1776) December 26, 2024
If any of the above has a magic stick to wave and create American talent I am quite sure that Ramaswamy and Elon Musk would be at the front of the line to hire them.
Otherwise, get a damn clue. Don’t pick a fight with either of them. They’re both smarter than you.
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Except for liberals being foolish.
This is the culminating effect of all the left’s agenda items. First, artificially jacking up minimum wage to enable lazy morons to make enough money to live on, so why get a basic education and develop a work ethic? Then, we have DEI, which rewards the whiniest instead of the shiniest (yeah, I just made that up). Then we have universities that offer junk degrees just for the sake of having a degree but at an exorbitant cost. This all results in people taking the easy way out instead of exerting themselves, making sacrifices and preparing for a professional career.
The same goes for skills jobs.
Hopefully, using the highly educated immigrant is only a stop-gap and not the final solution.
India’s poor people in low castes look at education as a way to escape their system’s built-in permanent poverty.
They might have more talent in math and/or science but they also study like crazy.
Our youth live in luxury, even our so-called poor young people have indoor plumbing, a refrigerator, decent housing and food on the table.
Too many of our young pick college majors that have no future in them.
Lesbian basket weaving is (or was) a real major here.
Other useless majors lead to a wasting of our precious resources, our next generation.
I know plenty of STEM experts who are Americans, but one thing they all have in common, they are over 50.
Colleges need to prioritize majors that lead to paychecks, not to laying under a tree all day.
The naval gazing has got to stop.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
The joke began as early as the 50s, “underwater basket weaving” for useless padding courses. The real question is bamboo or rattan stronger.
At Cornell University, students can take a one-credit class in Tree Climbing which will “teach you how to get up into the canopy of any tree, to move around, even to climb from one tree to another without touching the ground.”
I’m fully aware of the old joke. None of that is “lesbian basket weaving.”
ok all good Mt. humor man what is your opinion of Ms. Loomers sharing her dislike as many of us have on these visas? Are you allowed an opinion on a current event?
My opinion on this current event is how delightful it is that MAGA is already biting its own ass.
Funny how MAGA doesnt walk lock step like some Democrat NPC cultists do.
To borrow a page from your book: BWA-HA-HA-HA!
Well, where did YOU learn basket weaving?
Over 50
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It’s hard to see the other point of view when you don’t dig down.
We are not getting all Einsteins from out of the country. The visa program is rampant with fraud bringing in more than enough unqualified “engineers”. I know. I have had to work with them and around them.
Here’s another program DOGE can look at without their personal bias to reform in a big way to properly help America. Also, take a hard look at the foreign student visa program. It’s another racket.
Same stale argument as with “who will pick our fruit”
Perhaps before allowing them a visa they should be tested for competence and knowledge, hell they wont even look at our kids without 5 years of experience.
Limit the intern levels to 0? IDK
Loomer is the textbook definition of “Loose Cannon.” She does some great work, like her exposure of the Mandalay Bay shooting, but too many times she unnecessarily frags people she should be calling allies. I got to chat with her at CPAC @ 7 years ago, read her book, and thought she had some great potential when she matures a little bit. Still waiting on that.
Others without a name said much worse, why do celebrities get magnified, ooh look what this famous ignoramus said. Its Musks reaction that is troubling banning people because he got pushback, shame on his knee jerk reaction.
That system is as F’ed up as everything else run by the government.
When faced with all the backlash and accusations that the MAGA movement is fragmenting, Musk clarified:
“I am referring to bringing in via legal immigration the top ~0.1% of engineering talent as being essential for America to keep winning.”
And to ensure that American workers are not disadvantaged:
“Easily fixed by raising the minimum salary significantly and adding a yearly cost for maintaining the H1B, making it materially more expensive to hire from overseas than domestically. I’ve been very clear that the program is broken and needs major reform.”
So, no.
Not MASS immigration of Indians.
Not under the same rules as now (under joe).
Also, just so happens, out of the lane of the DOGE brothers.
How about eliminate PERA and have teachers contribute to SS like the rest of us, why should we pay their way for such inferior results?
Teachers don’t get to collect Social Security for the years that they spend teaching.