It won’t take long.
Barack Obama often speaks of his magnanimity with regard for his willingness to compromise:
I think that if you look at my track record over the last four years, I have consistently sought compromise, sometimes to the point where Democrats have been mad at me . . .
If you look at both my polices as well as the approach that I’ve taken in governing, there’s a lot of overlap between what I’m proposing and what Republicans have proposed n the past – I take their ideas all the time. What we haven’t seen is a willingness on the other side to engage in the basic compromises that are required for governance.
There’s only one problem. It’s bullsh*t. The list of Obama compromises is painfully brief.
Name them. Go ahead. I dare you.
Barack Obama began his tenure in office with the declaration
“I won”
during the stimulus negotiations.
Republicans were shut out of the conference negotiations for Obama’s stimulus package in 2009.
There was no Republican input into Obamacare.
Obama set the tone for his entire Presidency. He was in charge and he wasn’t in the mood for any dissent.
Not much has changed since then. He talks big but that’s all it is- talk. Only once has Obama actually compromised on something- extending the Bush tax cuts in 2010.
That’s the end of the list. There is nothing else.
There is a very long list of times that Obama has said “I will not compromise.”
Obama: ‘I Will Not Compromise’ on Debt Ceiling
Obama: ‘I Won’t Compromise’ on Taxes
Obama Calls John Boehner, Says He Still Won’t Negotiate
Obama hits GOP, refuses to broker budget compromise
“Obama I will not compromise” gets 90 million hits on Google.
When Obama demands compromise, he means capitulation. He does not mean compromise. He talks compromise and the press eats it up, but then most of them are democrats to begin with and only know what Obama tells them they know.
When Obama constantly berates and trivializes the opposition it is normal human nature to respond negatively. He always frames the opposition as morally inferior.
Note carefully what is being asserted here. It’s not just that Democratic ideas are morally superior to Republican ones or that Barack Obama is a better president, or a better man, than Mitt Romney or would be, or is. Rather, the claim is that whereas billionaires who support Romney are greedy and selfish, those who back Obama are altruistic–or, to the extent they have a selfish motive, it is a relatively benign one, a simple desire to be in the presence of the Dear Leader.
It’s a leftist cliché that money corrupts politics. These leftists, however, believe that their politics somehow purifies money–that writing a check to Obama for America is an act of moral money-laundering.
Anyone disagreeing with Obama is a racist.
The blind squirrel who writes at the NY Times and is otherwise known as David Brooks said this:
“But if I had to fault President Obama, I would say that sometimes he governs like a visitor from a morally superior civilization.
“He comes in here, and he will not — he’ll talk with [House Speaker John] Boehner, [but] he won’t talk with the other Republicans. He hasn’t built the trust.”
No he hasn’t. And he never will.
Obama outsources leadership as he does not like to dirty his hands with the minutiae of governing. He has failed to build friendships in Congress because it is beneath the aloof Obama.
In his book, The Price of Politics, Bob Woodward portrays the president as a distant character who spends little time forging relationships with members of Congress, and who has equally cool relationships with the business community.
Obama considers himself above deal-making and back-slapping, political necessities he often delegates to Vice President Joe Biden and other lesser sorts.
By Woodward’s account, the supremely self-confident Obama thought he had House Speaker John Boehner pegged as the type of Republican he knew in the Illinois Legislature. “John Boehner is like a Republican state senator,” the president told staff, according to Woodward. “He’s a golf-playing, cigarette-smoking country-club Republican who’s there to make a deal. He’s very familiar to me.”
But several sources involved in the most recent budget negotiations between Obama and Boehner tell me that the president failed to connect with Boehner. The president dominated conversations and had a habit of describing the speaker’s political options at length, which Boehner found both boring and insulting.
Obama rarely invested time in getting to know Boehner. Woodward reported this telling anecdote: After the 2010 elections made Boehner the incoming speaker, Obama couldn’t make a congratulatory call until the White House scrambled to find his telephone number, eventually turning to a fishing pal of somebody who worked for Boehner.
As a community organizer, Barack Obama is a lot like Jesse Jackson. He stomps his feet, makes threats and casts insults and expects to be placated. Obama still is that community organizer. He still hasn’t come to fully understand why people do not understand his perfection and won’t bow to his every whim. He doesn’t compromise. He doesn’t negotiate.
He’s no Ronald Reagan. He’s not even Bill Clinton.
Consequently, he is is a failure. He’s gone from promising the oceans would stop rising and the planet would heal to pleading for a rise in the minimum wage.
Instead of trying to genuinely seek compromise, he’s doubling down on his threat to circumvent Congress.
Amie Parnes, who so dependably pimps Obama at The Hill, unwittingly captures why Obama goes so wrong:
On the heels of a lackluster year, where President Obama couldn’t get much done with Congress, the White House is hoping to use private and public partnerships, along with executive actions, to add to President Obama’s legacy.
Once again, country be damned. It’s all about him.
It’s always been about him. One expects politicians to have big egos but Obama takes narcissism to new heights. When the country needed jobs, Obama gave it a health care takeover suppository and now his signature achievement is in tatters.
People are beginning to figure out that Obama says a lot of things but his words are hollow. He doesn’t mean them. DrJohn’s Law. For too long Obama has been able to make claims of willingness to compromise without having to offer any examples or proof.
Still, the left desperately continues to characterize anyone who disagrees with or holds a different view from them or Obama as racists, traitors, extremists and more, but here’s what I have to say about that:
I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you’re not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration.
image courtesy of fellowshipoftheminds.com
UPDATE
I have added to the title to reflect more accurately the intention of the article. The substance remains unchanged.
DrJohn has been a health care professional for more than 40 years. In addition to clinical practice he has done extensive research and has published widely with over 70 original articles and abstracts in the peer-reviewed literature. DrJohn is well known in his field and has lectured on every continent except for Antarctica. He has been married to the same wonderful lady for over 45 years and has three kids- two sons, both of whom are attorneys and one daughter who is in the field of education.
DrJohn was brought up with the concept that one can do well if one is prepared to work hard but nothing in life is guaranteed.
Except for liberals being foolish.
DrJ, . . . . “Obama takes narcissism to new heights” . . . absolutely.
In this narcissism resides his inability to do such things as negotiate. When his mind has convinced him that it “knows” everything, and that it is superior to all others, he cannot listen, let alone consider another opinion. Narcissism makes a fool of its owner and renders him idiotic — probably not too bright to start with, so the result is a disaster. Worst of all, the narcissist doesn’t care. Doesn’t care about anyone else, certainly, and cannot care about a Nation he’s supposed to be leader of. What a mess, and yet no one in the MSM seems capable of such assessment.
I think we’ve been through that before.
“Republicans were completely shut out of the debates, discussions, suggestions ” despite that I’ve previously gave links, numbers, and examples of how that isn’t true. ACA was modeled after Republican Romney’s MA legislation and are ideas Republicans used to support. actually originating from the very Heritage Foundation that now oppses it. Over in the real world, the final bill included 161 Republican amendments which resulted from six bipartisan groups that met 72 times along with 30 bipartisan hearings.
Now, send in your babbling rodeo clown trolls to distract from your lie so you can do as you always do and simply wait a day or so and repeat that same lie.
I see our resident progressive enuch has returned.
Oh, not to the debate that he refused to have on another thread but a new thread where he is challenging others to take him on. Cowardly Ron reminds me of a ground hog; he pokes his head up long enough to see if he is going to get slammed and then he’s gone again.
@retire05: Resident Troll # 1 accounted for, not that there’s actually a difference.
And to Troll # 1’s rebuttal of Dr. John’s debunked lie, he, uh, oh wait, he didn’t do that did he? No, he simply “distracted” from that argument as I correctly diagnosed.
Simpleton trolls!
When Obama mentions that he sometimes makes Dems mad at him, he fails to fill in the why.
A few times (at least) Dems and Reps in the Legislative Branch (you know, that co-equal branch of government) come to a compromise between themselves only to see Obama veto it or use Reid to keep it off Obama’s desk!
There’s also no compromise in saying, ”My way or the highway.”
@James Raider: You know James, I generally find Conservatives to be the most close minded and unwilling to negotiate. Though not always narcissistic they have such strong beliefs in The Constitution, The Bible— fill in the blank. They seem to see change as threatening.
Folks here will say “no good movies since the 50’s or earlier.” “Music’s been lousy for 50 years.”
RR our only real leader since The Founding Fathers.
The Party Of No.
Can this mentality find electoral success in the 21st Century?
@Ronald J. Ward:
OK, Ron
This is your link
http://www.whitehouse.gov/health-care-meeting/republican-ideas
Show me the GOP amendments specifically in the ACA bill.
@Richard Wheeler:
Obama is the party of “You will obey me”
@Ronald J. Ward:
Ron
How about linking us to the final bill that came out of conference committee and in it show us those GOP Amendments? Be sure to include the bill number. How about showing us in the final bill where Obama signed an EO to preserve the Hyde Amendment and how it’s still in force?
Thanks
@Richard Wheeler:
OMG, those absurd conservatives. What is wrong with them that they have such strong beliefs in our Constitution. The very same Constitution that has been hailed as the greatest document ever written, exceeding even the Magna Carta. The same Constitution that provided for the creation of the greatest nation to ever exist. Don’t the hard headed conservatives understand they have other options for their loyalty? You know, things like Rules for Radicals, or Mao’s Little Red Book, or William Ayer’s Prairie Fire?
How fortunate we are to have progressives like RW to steer us in the right direction and allow us to give up our solid belief in the U.S. Constitution or that ever oppressing book, the Bible, especially the New Testament.
@retire05: Keep on doing what you’re doing– If it works for you—
My point– I don’t think your strident thinking can bring ELECTORAL SUCCESS in this century. If you don’t care then it shouldn’t matter.
Barry Goldwater ” I’d rather be right–far right—than be President.” He proved it.
@Richard Wheeler:
Oh, I got your point, all right, RW. You were quite clear that you think conservatives are, how did you put it? Close minded for their strong belief in the U.S. Constitution, the same one that you swore to protect and defend, but seemingly have decided that is no longer required of you.
As to my strident thinking, that the U.S. Constitution is the only way, perhaps you can point to some success story where leftist ideas and ideals have been successful? Chicago? Detroit? St. Louis? How about your own state of California that is bleeding productive citizens who are fleeing the left wing promotion of some socialist utopia?
How about all those programs, foisted on the American populace by Democrat presidents? Name the ones that have been a success? Social Security which is the world’s biggest Ponzi scheme and it taking our nation to the brink of bankruptcy? Medicare? Medicaid where the recipients don’t even contribute to the system? War on Poverty? How’s that working out? Has the leftist system to social welfare make the poor more independent or more dependent? The wrong headed take over of the U.S. educational systems? Are we creating smarter kids or just dumbing down the system to a one-sized-fits-all where smart kids fall through the cracks and get a horrible education? How about the “every kid gets a trophy” because we don’t want anyone’s widdle feelings hurt? Are we building character so that the next generation can actually make something of themselves?
Take a hard look at the programs that you leftists promote. Do they really achieve what they were touted to achieve? Are we, as a nation, getting smarter, more industrious and more productive? Or are other nations kicking our butts?
So when you respond to me that my conservative ideals will not work, I would refer you to Bastiat’s The Law and you tell me where I am going wrong.
@Ronald J. Ward:
Do you have any “non-Marxist” references?
@retire05:
This is shown every time average educational levels of countries are compared. The system used by the US, brought to us by our friendly Dimocrats, is to dumb everyone down to the lowest level and to let the blacks go to college on affirmative action where they will continue to not learn a damn thing. Compare the US to Japan, for example, where every child goes to school for about 9-10 hours a day, study hours after they get home, with the US where the poorest kids are raised by a single mom who generally doesn’t know where their kids are or what they’re doing and never study and don’t learn a damn thing in school then the teacher is required to teach them all to the same level, and that is not at the level of the smartest kid in the room. Then give them all a certificate of attendance and send them out into the world. But that’s ok, they can live on welfare, paid for by the middle class.
@retire05: Woa I believe in both The Constitution and The Bible.
Again, my larger pragmatic point— You have SOCIALLY distanced yourself from the mainstream electorate and you can’t win coming from the far right.
You can nobly pontificate from a supposed higher ground. It won’t win you a Presidency.
To win in the 21st Century you have to join it.
@Richard Wheeler:
Wonder what that means. mainstream, according to a Dimocrat. Someone who wants a handout. someone who thinks it is ‘normal’ to kill all the unborn babies. someone who wants free medical care. someone who wants all those, except the super rich Dimocrats, to have to pay higher taxes to support those that don’t want to work. someone who wants to open the borders to any illegal that wants to come here so we can provide them with welfare, free medical care and Social Security, all at the expense of those that will still work.
Ah yes, the ‘mainstream’ that doesn’t want anyone to own a gun for self protection. How glorious it must be to be able to not think for yourself, just to toe the party line.
Your list is utter bullshit, especially; “There was no Republican input into Obamacare.” The reason we have the indivivual mandaye which allow insruance companies to reap their billions is due to GOP comprimise.
Here’s the list at PoliticFact:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/rulings/compromise/
Here’s the reasons:
What Happens When Obama Tries To Compromise With The GOP
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/10/01/what-happens-when-obama-tries-to-compromise-wit/196189
Obama Has Compromised Already
http://www.theroot.com/articles/politics/2013/10/government_shutdown_gops_claim_that_obama_wont_compromise_doesnt_hold_up.html
Nice try.
@Richard Wheeler:
and you also believe in a President that wipes his butt with the constitution. That’s not consistent.
@Redteam:You must realize it’s your distaste and distain so clearly evidenced by comments in both #14 and #16 that make it virtually certain a far right candidate cannot win The Presidency in the forseable future.
I won’t argue it—You’ll witness it in 2016 and beyond.
@Richard Wheeler: It seems odd that you don’t recognize the traits that you advocate. You know very well that every one of those things I listed is something you and your party advocate, but you think that to be against those things means I am in the party that does not want a better USA, when the truth is, your party is trying to bury the country.
@Richard Wheeler:
Yet you ridicule conservatives when you say “I generally find Conservatives to be the most close minded and unwilling to negotiate.
Though not always narcissistic they have such strong beliefs in The Constitution” Hypocrite, much, RW? Or is it only leftists that believe in the Bible that are beyond your ridicule?
You seem not to be in touch with the “mainstream” that you claim I don’t understand. Fox News is cleaning the clock of CNN/MSNBC. Why do you think that is? Do you think that the people are just so much more good looking than those on CNN/MSNBC and that is why they are tuning into Fox? Or do you even have a clue why more and more Americans are watching Fox and not the left wing media?
How about abortion? Am I on the wrong side there, as well? Seen the polls lately, RW? Americans are less supportive of abortion on demand now than they ever have been. And that trend will continue because polls have shown that college aged women are more pro-life now than they have been in 30+ years. You see, medical technology is not your friend. Now, Americans can actually see what an unborn child looks like while still safely in the womb. Most people think there is something horrendous about shoving a Metzenbaum scissors into a child’s skull to suck its brains out and collapse the skull or pulling the child out in pieces.
Same-sex marriage? While the media will tout how people don’t care, that is a lie. Americans do care and they care a lot about tradition. Sure, most are willing to let gay people live their private lives as they choose, but not being married. The lie about “equal” is b/s and anyone with two brain cells bumping together know that. Shoving issues down the throats of Americans, by dissing their religious faith, will have a back lash and when it comes, it will not be pretty.
So I was told in 1980.
If turning into a good little Gramscite is what the 21st century holds, I want no part of it.
And don’t think it didn’t go unnoticed that you didn’t answer any of my questions about what Democrat programs have been a major success. But that’s your m.o., isn’t it?
@This one:
LOL.
The Root
The one over whom the cops acted stupidly? Pullleeez
Politifact?
The group whose Truthometer varies from year to year? They first rated Obama’s claim “You can keep your doctor and plan” true at first without even knowing whether it was possible to “Lie of the Year” to save their asses?
And besides, those were rulings on Obama’s promise, not on his ability to compromise. Come on.
You can do better.
OBAMA COMPROMISES
(1) United States of America
It has been compromised.
Your are not patriotic if you AGREE with obama.
THE more i see, THE MORE I CONCLUDE THAT RICHARD WHEELER AND RON WARD AND GREG,
DON’T HAVE THE FACULTY OF UNDERSTANDING MORE BRIGHT THAN THEY ARE,
BECAUSE THEY CALL IT FAR RIGHT WHAT IS NORMAL AND WANT THE CONSERVATIVES TO JOIN
OBAMA,, SO TO WIN THE NEXT ELECTION,
which will be going to CONSERVATIVES, because the people are sick and tired to be told lies
from the democrat in line with whatever the leader decide to do even that he has failed since he told that man in government who had a word to say, he answer I WON,
in other words he told this elected person who rightfully and politely observe a wrong doing to OBAMA,
I WON ,MEANT SHUT YOUR MOUTH, and that was his start to show his people to shut up, THEY FEAR HIM,AND HIS ANGER,
so he never learn a damn thing how to be a leader of this AMERICA , his allegiance is not totally to AMERICA,
he is more incline to bend toward other countries he try to
MINGLE IN THEIR BUSINESS AND FAILED, he bow to
ARAB’S KINGS,FROM THE START OF HIS CARREER, showing not as equal but serviant of, and that was a major error and
telling TO AMERICANS PEOPLE,
he could have learn from CONGRESS HE DEMONIZE TO THE CITIZENS SO MANY TIMES, HE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT CONGRESS IS A POWER AS STRONG AS HE IS, AND ALLOWED HIM TO BE SPENDING THE PEOPLE’S MONEY FOR THE SAKE OF LEARNING HOW FAR HE WILL GO, AND PREVENT THE DAMAGING RHETORIC OF BEING BLAMED FOR HIS OWN FAIURE,
and he still going on spending more before he leave,
no richard, WITH THE LIST WE HAVE SUPER INTELLIGENT AND KNOWLEDGE IS SURE TO GIVE AMERICANS A CHOICE THEY WILL LIKE TO VOTE FOR, the next president will fit AMERICA, AND THE WORLD is secondary AND WILL BE TREATED ON THEIR MERIT, and what they represent to AMERICA AS FAR AS FRIEND OR FOE,
@Smorgasbord:
OBAMA COMPROMISES
#2: Obama compromises with Russia to reduce The US’s nuclear arsenal and missile defense shield that was promised to our European allies under past administrations.
#3: Obama compromises with Iran so that they can continue their nuclear program with no interruptions.
#4: Obama compromises decades of long standing good relations with our allies in order to appease and apologize to our enemies.
#5: Obama compromised our economy to nearly triple the national debt. (Although that might technically fall under your broad all-encompassing #1, as would a quite a few more of his destructive compromises designed to enact the Marxist revenge Dreams of his Father on America).
The left sure likes to use that old Heritage Foundation health insurance reform idea as proof the ACA is really a Republican idea. It’s the one and only time they will side with Heritage, otherwise they are ridiculing and denying their work.
But it’s a red herring. The Heritage plan had no individual mandate. No one was forced to buy anything nor were they penalized for not buying something. So that dog won’t hunt as they say. But the left will still site it as some sort of proof that conservatives reject the ACA because of hate or racism toward Obama and not on the principal of the law. Which changes almost weekly as king Obama sees fits to change it with his pen and phone.
@Redteam:
And Bush wipe all our asses with it.
Even when wingnuts are show the facts, they continue in their world of denial and still complain. Lol!
Here are over a hundred examples of Obama’s compromises:
Here’s the list at PoliticFact:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/rulings/compromise/
@This one:
OK, let me see if I can make things a little clearer since the message is not getting across. Obama said:
Compromises with the GOP is what he’s talking about and no he has not. The article is about his steadfast refusal to compromise with the GOP. So I will update the title to reflect that. Your link is about his failure to get 100% of what he demands.
Thank God for that.
@Richard Wheeler:
When everything the opposition proposes is destructive or just plain wrong, being the “Party of No”, is a good idea.
I am truly weary of hearing about how Zippy won his elections, and is thus entitled to do whatever he wants. The old saying remains true: “it isn’t who votes that counts, it is who counts the votes.”
Explain to me how Sen Reid, part owner of Diebold, has no influence on how the voting machines in Nevada count the votes.
Explain to me how denying States the right to insist on Voter ID provides for fair elections. As has been pointed out endlessly, Voter ID is needed to cash a check, get on an airplane, get on a regional bus, get into a Federal Building, even serve on a jury. Many States make photo ID free for the asking. Abolishing identification at polling places has only one purpose: allow the Dems to stuff ballot boxes.
Explain to me how a Chief Executive, having taken the oath to faithfully execute our laws, arrogates to himself alone the Sovereign Right to pick what laws he will enforce. And how the supine RINOs in Congress allow him to get away with it.
Let us face reality. We did not elect Zippy. The Union-Electoral Complex elected Zippy. Twice. And there is no controlling legal authority over the Unions. As Walter Meany said, upon completion of the AFL-CIO headquarters, “from my office I look down on the White House.” The Unions have been doing this looking down ever since.
@mathman2: Gotta agree with you—How do you think “w” stole the election from Gore in 2000. His brother was the Gov. of Fla. The Sec. of State who controlled the vote count was a Repub. The fix was in and we got 8 years. Remember “w” lost the national popular vote by over 500,000.
Thanks for the memories.
JimH “The party of no is a good idea.” Why would you want to compromise.
@Richard Wheeler
Wow!! You mean that the popular vote is now, all of a sudden, important to you Democrats? It didn’t seem all that important in the 2008 Democrat primary when Hillary Clinton took almost 300,000 more votes than Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. did, 100,000 of them in Texas alone.
@Jim S:
No, they’ve even said no to their own ideas, said no after dems caved to giving them exactly what they wanted, and said no with a clear admission of simply to spite Obama. And to all 3, on several occasions.
And Dr. John, why do you ask for links and specific legislation when they are on the very link you question?
@Richard Wheeler: I think that when the votes were counted well after the SC made the decision, Gore still lost. Even the MSN validated that. Gore is still a loser. Folks in FL have 2 years to leave before Gore’s prediction of rising waters will flood them out.
@retire05: @retire05: Just those pesky 527 disputed votes in Repub. controlled Fla.that gave the election to “w”
Mathman2’s whining about BHO’S relatively overwhelming wins in 2008 and 2012 brought back memories.
BTW I’m a proponant of the E.C. vs pop. vote in Prez. elections.
HRC Made some extremely critical miscalculations in o8 primaries that handed the win to BHO. She’ll be better prepared in 2016.
HRC can thank Rush for a good portion of that 100,000 win in Tex. Primary—strange bedfellows indeed.
@Richard Wheeler:
Really? So you think that a 100,000 Texas Republicans voted in the Democrat primary, eliminating their ability to vote for the candidate of their choice in local and state Republican primary elections, just to help Hillary out? You are truly delusional.
I have posted this many times, but lefties will never understand the differences between personal values and ideology. Conservatives base their lives, ethics and politics on solid personal values rooted in documents like the Constitution and the Bible. They also base their personal values on long traditions of their families and country. To compromise their personal values would destroy the whole reason for being for a conservative. The constitution and the Bible contain the essence of civilized man. The tradition of the families and country are based on this essence.
On the other hand, liberals orient their lives on ideologies. Ideologies are ideas conscience or unconscious that constitute their goals and expectations of life and politics. Ideologies change frequently based on the prominent persons who are teaching or espousing them. Some of the ideologies espoused by the ideologues (liberals) have been communism and socialism. Neither of these ideas have succeeded in any country where they have been tried. Variations of these ideas have not been successful either.
The main difference between the ideologues and those who follow personal values are that personal values are persistent through generations. They continue to guide individuals hundreds of years after the values were identified. They provide the stability in a civilization that allows individuals to seek success in areas that improve and maintain the success of a country or organization.
Ideologies change with the wind or with the rise of the latest charismatic speaker within decades. The institute constant change without consideration of unintended consequences. The roll out of Obama Care is a fine example of this. The common core education program will be another. Remember when “the new math” was forced into our schools? There is a portion of our population who still can not grasp higher mathematics due to this ideology forced upon us.
There are also a difference in the populations who embrace liberalism and conservatism. The lives of ideologues are less stable than the lives of conservatives. This is primarily due to the comfort provide by deeply rooted values that guide individuals compared to the ever changing ideas that confront ideologues.
One can never comprise personal values and still live with ones self. One can compromise ideologies with out personal ramification since a new idea comes along every few years.
If there is to be “compromise” in our legislature or any level of government, there needs to be respect of conservatives by ideologues. Conservatives can consider new ideas and often propose many of their own, but compromise can never be made between ideologues and conservatives unless issues like unintended consequences, constitutionality, abuse of power over the freedom of individuals is considered. If ideologues try to force conservatives to violate their personal values, compromise is never possible.
Randy that is so true. NOT THE DEMOCRAT EVEN CAN DENY IT,,
AND AT THIS TIME THEY LIVE IN REGRET, BECAUSE THEY LOST THEIR ABILITY TO PROTEST BEFORE THEIR LEADER AND MAKING HIM BACKED UP ON HIS OBAMA CARE, BEFORE THE CARE PART BURRY THE OBAMA PART,
BYE.
@retire05: Did I say 100,000 Repubs. voted for HRC? Egomaniac Rush claimed he convinced his dittoheads to vote for Hillary–take it up with him.
@Richard Wheeler:
Since I don’t listen to Rush, and since you’re the one that brought it up, I’ll take it up with you.
Cowboy up and stop being a weasel. Do you really think that Texans, in any number, would give up voting for their candidate of choice in the Republican primaries just to vote for Hillary? If you do, then you must think that Texans are as stupid as Californians. We’re not.
@Richard Wheeler:
Rush was referring to a primary.
He was hoping to scuttle Obama’s march to the sea by having crossover voters giving Hillary the nod in the primary in Texas (and in other states where the Republican nominee was safe).
Dems use crossover voting (some even go so far in a few states as registering as Inds or even Reps) to screw up Republicans’ primary choice.
Rush was simply encouraging the same.
@Nanny G: That’s right Nan. The Texas Dem. Primary of 2008.You wanna confirm with 05 the power Rush has over his Repub. lemmings er followers,Texans included. She seems to think I’m making this up.
@Richard Wheeler:
Where did I say you were making it up? I said that it Republican voters jumping the aisle didn’t happen in Texas, no matter who advocated for it.
Again, you prove that honesty is not your forte. It’s clear why you are a Democrat.
@Richard Wheeler: actually Hillary won all of the primaries in TX. Obama stacked the caucuses and overwhelmed Hillary.
@retire05: Just like I said, only ideas, not personal values!
@Richard Wheeler:
Why are you spending your time listening to Rush?
@retire05:
You’ve set a high threshold there Retire, it’s gonna be hard to ever find a state with more stupid people than California.
@retire05: You’re a real piece a work 05. How do you know Tex Repub. voters didn’t vote for HRC in Tex. Open primary? Rush believes they did and so do I.
How bout I call you a liar and a weasel. That’s too easy.
That would be a “low threshold” RT.
How are ya? S.B. Score? I’m going 21-17 Broncos
Rarely listen to Rush. Think he’s a funny guy.
Randy ” HRC won all of the primaries in Tex.” You mean she won the ONE she entered? lol
@Richard Wheeler:
Well, maybe so. But at least I never voted for a Democrat like Barbara Boxer who thinks she is so much better than some military general. Anyone who has been in the military and still votes for Democrats have done nothing more than turn their back to their brothers in arms. That would be you, RW.
Because, unlike you, I am a Texas Republican, I work along side with other Texas Republicans during the campaign/primary seasons and have my finger the pulse of Texas Republicans. How arrogant for you to think that as a liberal Californian you know more than I do about the mindset of Texas Republicans. But then, while honesty is not your forte, arrogance seems to be.
Then that makes you both wrong.