What an amateur:
Before revealing he would seek approval from Congress, the President made clear that “we are prepared to strike whenever we choose.”
Strikes would be “effective tomorrow or next week or one month from now,” Obama said, adding that he is “prepared to give that order.”
So, while telegraphing to Syria and the world that we may do something, he is going to seek approval from Congress but reserves the right to go to war if he wants to even if they so no….
Is that about the gist of it?
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@MataHarley:
Firstly, I think you’ll find that all WMDs are different by virtue of their indiscriminate nature. An enemy could, with chemical or biological weapons, leave whole cities devoid of life but still intact, and so on. Secondly, the use of nerve gas as a weapon is prohibited by international treaties which about 190 countries have signed up to. In that sense, the madness in Syria is every country’s business.
Why would Assad be worthy of assassination? Because it makes more sense than ‘a shot across the bow’ (a nautical term for a warning only) which Obama talked about. Basically I suppose you could say it’s all about community, the global community of which we all are a part of. But I don’t really have watertight answers. I do respect your views greatly, and have followed them with much interest. You always single out the most important issues with expertise.
Augustus, I do believe you know that I’m not uninformed either to the nature of various and varied CW, or of the OPCW. Heaven knows I’ve linked that Convention’s existence in the various threads often enough. But as that Convention points out, there is a protocol to be followed for any recourse, or addressing, for the use of CW. Then again, Syria is not a signatory, and there is no will for the remaining signatories to do anything about it, as any UN resolution has been effectively blocked by Assad’s allies. I find it of no surprise that so many nations sign on for feel good reasons, yet really don’t want to do much about it when push comes to shove. It’s a worthless piece of paper.
That leaves the US to act, for the most part, unilaterally.
It’s not that I minimize the danger of CW. It’s actually more of a risk since it’s not as easily detectable as a dirty bomb during smuggling operations, and doesn’t take much to do great damage. Deployment need not be on a missile, as even contaminating domestic water sources can do great harm.
But I disagree in that I don’t believe Assad is any more worthy of assassination than the rebels who have also used CW. It becomes even more insane if he was not the one giving orders, or deploying the CW. Nor has Assad ever threatened to use such against the US, or against nation states. The same cannot be said for the “rebels”.
Needless to say, a shot over the bow is insane, but going to war for regime change is even more insane.
MataHarley
yes absolutly,
@Greg:
Actually the war powers act requires him to get approval of Congress except in a case of National Defense (which this is not) You should be proud that your guy is following the law (for once) instead of just damn the law, full speed ahead. I personally hope we don’t vote to supply air power for al Qaeda against Syria, but, we’ll see.
@MataHarley: @MataHarley:
So true. It is the duty of the UN to enforce UN resolutions and the UN has already determined that they don’t intend to do anything. Besides, as you said, if anything Chemical weapons may be a more humane way than IED’s to be killed. At any rate, as Obama himself has said, CW have been used several times there this year alone, by both sides, that being the case, what is the emergency about this one time that makes it in the US interest to take action unilaterally? Answer: it’s not. It’s only in Obama’s interest.
@Redteam, #56:
Do you consider uncontrollable tonic convulsions and simultaneous loss of bladder and bowels control while choking to death on your own vomit a particularly humane way of dying? Did you miss the recent videos of Syrian civilians whose skin was falling from their bodies after exposure to chemical blister agents?
Obama didn’t say that chemical weapons have been used by both sides. There’s no evidence that anyone has used chemical weapons besides the Syrian military.
Greg
those guys arrested and found with sarin where working for ALQAEDA,
YES SARIN WAS USE BY OTHER, AND THAT BRITISH BUSINESS HAD A LICENCE TO DO HE SEND CHEMICAL TO SYRIA,, SURELY NOT TO ASSAD WHO HAVE SOME,
AND DON’T NEED TO BUY ANY,
@Greg:
Not true.
Oh, so you think blowing someone’s legs off with an IED is no worse than vomiting? Hmmm…
now they will help the opposition,
OBAMA JUST SAID IT AT FOX
Again this propensity to ignore facts in favor of your own political narrative, Greg?
What there is, is *no* evidence that proves it was Assad’s command to use CW. Both sides possess them. And in fact, when everyone was in an uproar about the chlorine attack, few wanted to admit that the ones in possession of Syria’s largest chlorine plant was al Nusrah, not Assad. As a matter of fact, Nan G provided two more links that substantiated CWs in the hands of the opposition in her comment #38 on this very thread, by their own admission. Again, you choose not to look at any evidence that may dissuade your opinion, based on partisan emotion instead of eyes wide open.
I posted a Nightwatch article in the Most Wanted category that points out that all we know is that there has, via accounts, been instances of CW. However both sides are known to be capable of them. Oddly enough, the only time there has been a formal investigation by int’l entity OPCW was now, and it was Assad who invited them in to the nation to investigate. The investigators then came under sniper fire while enroute. Think it was Assad’s troops – the same people who invited them in – in the sniper position? Why would that be?
In fact, since …
1: Assad has been regaining territory, all without CW, since early June, and
2: everytime there is a peep about CW, all eyes turn to Assad, and
3: Assad knows that it was possible that the OPCW and other nations may intervene…
…. then why on earth would he deploy any CW, and risk the positive strategic trend by inviting in foreign nation intervention?
On the flip side, the rebels have great motivation for the deployment of CW, and then pointing fingers at Assad. They not only entice the west in to the war, they use it as an excuse to expand their chaos. I already posted on another thread that they are luring the Lebanese in, punishing Damascus with bomb attacks because Hezbollah sides with Assad.
Open your eyes. This is about a long planned, and eagerly awaited, sectarian war in the Middle East.
There are some sane voices out there that recognize that both sides are capable of deployment. The Most Wanted post yesterday by NightWatch can be read here. After the so-called “evidence” was presented to the 70-80 Congressional members over the weekend, the skepticism ran high… including among prominent Democrats. Walid and bro, Theodore, Shoebat provide footage of translated rebel video showing their deployment capabilities and CW caches.
Again it seems you’re the all-emotion–and-no-facts-you-will-accept mental runt of your party’s litter, Greg. Just as members of your own party saw Saddam’s Iraq being a threat – while you didn’t – the members of your own party are not as convinced as you that Assad was the perp with the gas.
This should be your most obvious heads up. Everyone has their knickers a’fire with worry about not obeying “international law” INRE the usage of CW. Why is it that the only nation that seems to be concerned about ignoring that piece of paper is the US? Did Parliament have a guilt problem with a “nay” vote, and refusing to schedule another vote? Absolutely not.
In fact, there are 189 members/signatories ratified to the OPCW. There are only four nations applying *any* degree of pressure for US intervention. Turkey, South Korea, France and Israel. Turkey’s hatred for Assad isn’t a secret. But of them, only France and Turkey are members of the OPCW. South Korea and France are not. Israel signed in 1993, but has not ratified. South Korea has done neither. As a matter of fact, while the pundits are saying Israel is all for it, they denied any such pressure back in May, and I have not seen any current articles that changes their position.
France and Turkey will not go it alone, but they have no compunction to ask the US to act unilaterally. Where are the other major signatories, Greg? Are they wringing their hands about “international laws” being violated? Do they feel their “credibility” will be at stake if they don’t rush to war to support some worthless piece of paper?
Hell no. And the US shouldn’t be goaded into war by such BS guilt either.
BTW, a correction to my comment #61 above INRE the OPCW’s official investigations in to the use of CW in Syria. I erroneously said that it was the first such official investigation. I was wrong. The OPCW inspectors were already there at the request of the Syrian government authorities and the UN Secy Gen back in March.
Again, it was the Syrian regime who invited in the int’l community for investigation. What the OPCW did was reroute their personnel from the March sites to the new sites for a different focus. It was when they were traveling the buffer zone that they came under sniper attack, and had some vehicle damage.
Transcript from Ban Ki-Moon’s press statement about the Syrian government’s March request:
No one, not even the USA are claiming that “international laws” are being violated.
Listen to Obama, to Pelosi, to Engel, to Kerry, to Rice, to Hagel.
It is NORMs, not LAWs.
It is ”civilized behavior,” not LAWs.
Disgusting picking and choosing between all of the un-NORMal behavior on earth.
Between all of the world’s uncivilized behavior.
Think about acid thrown in little girls faces.
Women being put behind bars for being rape victims.
People being beheaded for being ”witches.”
People being sold into slavery.
We would go broke (if we were not already broke) trying to uphold these impossible standards internationally.
But I think Obama simply wanted to get the IRS, NSA, Benghazi, Fast & Furious, and other scandals off the front pages.
He didn’t think it through.
He only wanted an upper hand to raise taxes in the next budget.
Now, he’s thought it through enough to want to deflect blame onto Republicans.
Nan G, the OPCW is the only justification for intervention. And as Bloomberg’s Indira A.R. Lakshmanan points out, any attack on Syria without seeking international coalitions would be a violation of international law, as the US would have to be acting in self defense.
Obama did not cite the Convention by name, as you note he instead referred to it as the violation of “international standards” or “international norm” A rose by any other name. The person who keeps repeating the phrase, “against international law”, is (to no surprise), CNN’s Christiane Amanpour… everyone’s favorite war houndress.
That Obama doesn’t cite the OPCW CWC is, I believe, still in character with a POTUS who prefers not to go to war, and seeks the legit out with a Congressional “no”. But as I said, I find it amusing that so many are worried about US credibility when there are only two other signatories on that agreement who are verbal in pushing war… as long as it’s the US that does it. If they aren’t concerned enough to get the process going for handling it, then why should we prematurely jump into the fire?
As I said, there is protocol and procedure prior to any military action that has to take place. When dealing with non member states as the perp, the “…procedures are provided [for] under the UN Secretary-General’s Mechanism to investigate allegations of use of chemical weapons.” This is the process under which the OPCW is operating at the moment… a joint endeavor between them and the UN.
@Redteam: Vomiting?–is that a sick joke? Respectfully, to a fellow vet, I find some of your comments truly bizarre. Actually, you seem afflicted with a debilitating case of ODS.
Mata Do you have any real doubt that Assad has gassed and killed hundreds of Syrian civilians? Do you believe Al Queda –Syria did the same to Syrian civilians?
Do you have any doubt this resolution will pass Senate? House?
Did you watch Senate hearings? Your thoughts on Hawk Kerry?
Considering I’ve posted two Most Wanted articles on the subject…
1: Everything the Media is missing in Syria and
2: The newest one I just posted by History of the Iraq War author (I have his book too), Yossef Bodansky…
… I guess you could say I not only have doubts as to Assad’s perpetration of CW deployment, but I’m far more convinced each day that passes that this is the doing of the more nefarious characters in the opposition. I’ll let Bodansky’s latest revelations on the meetings etal speak for themselves.
au contraire… I think the idiots in both parties will pass the AUMF. They both want it. Just want to play war at different levels of escalation. And they are both wrong. This should be run thru the OPCW/UN channels, inclusive of all the other member nations etc. Should be a clue that only the US is fretting about looking “weak” by not picking up the big guns, and none of the other members are. Hang, the Brits didn’t even mind voting it down in short order.
Nope. Did not. There’s nothing I like about Kerry and he’s at the bottom of the totem pole of anyone I want in charge of our military (CiC or DoD), and he’s worthless as a statesman as well. He has his role to play, and he’s well outfitted for it. Obama’s supposed to play the tough talking, but “let’s do it right” cautious CiC, and Kerry’s supposed to brow beat Congress in to imagined guilt, and make sure that whatever powers they grant to CIC Obama will be sufficient.
It’s a political dance I don’t want to watch since everyone is posturing. As I said.. this is less about whether they will vote for it, but the degree of the mission’s intervention. GOP wants the full enchilada.. regime change. Dems/Obama just want to look like their words mean something.
Losers all, IMHO
So the McCain and Boehner clan approve sending “A SHOT ACROSS THE BOW” of Syria.
A Shot Across The Bow is America’s new foreign policy. Iranian Ayatollahs and Mullahs have been funding, arming, and manning the killing of Americans across the ME, particularly Iraq, and a Shot Across The Bow of Iran isn’t in the offing? But it IS for Syria?
Putin will have to react. He built his biggest foreign naval base there and personally makes billions from Syria – what could possibly go wrong with that strategy? He’s a thug and a killer, but he’s got to protect his “ego” in front of Russians who like a “strongman” leading them.
Obama’s flacid threats to Iran’s nuclear development went nowhere, and slipped by our counsciousness. Now he pretends to have a spine, but can’t just quite get there, so passes the buck to Congress. Great foreign policy – proud and strong.
Who is it that America will look weak in front of, if it doesn’t send a Shot Across The Bow of Syria? The Putin ego? The Ayatollahs? China? Hollywood loons? Goldman Sachs? The MIRROR in the Oval Office Washroom?
@Richard Wheeler:
Obviously you didn’t read what I said and what it was in response to. Is that reading comp problem perhaps your debilitating case? Your fellow Obama lover, Greg, had said:
indicating that he thought a chemical weapon exposure was especially heinous, I just asked him if he really considered convulsions and vomiting comparable to having legs and body parts blown off by IED’s. Had you read his comments and mine, you wouldn’t have reached your erroneous position. I think reading comp is one of those things that you can improve with practice, you should try it.
@Richard Wheeler: RW, you asked Mata these questions, but I’m gonna jump in and answer also. Mata has commented above. I agree with her assessment on who has used CW in Syria. No evidence Assad has, lots of evidence al Qaeda has.
Unlike her, I’m not so sure the AUMF will pass. But then nothing political surprises me anymore.
Unlike Mata, I did watch SOS Kerry. He’s a total disappointment as a human being, especially ill prepared for the role he is trying to play, doing an especially bad job of it. I can’t believe that as long as he’s been in politics that he is not a better public speaker/thinker than he displays. Too many ‘uhs, you knows’ , ‘and uh’, maybe he should borrow Potus’s teleprompter. He didn’t seem to have any original thoughts of his own, just repeated himself, as I’m sure he was instructed to do. He seems to be totally lacking in any ability to use ‘logic’ in his reasoning. Seems to be exactly what you, Greg and Obama would admire in a man.
@James Raider: James, I suspect ” The MIRROR in the Oval Office Washroom?” is the correct answer. Don’t you agree, RW?
I think it was “Holidays in Hell” that P.J. O’Rourke recalled accompanying then-senator John Kerry to Manila during the height of the “People Power” Revolution–in the eighties, right after Begnino Aquino had been gunned down and his widow Cory was leading the opposition. It was a fact-finding mission and Kerry could have taken a dramatic stand for freedom in front of the cameras. But? P.J. wrote that Kerry could not be bothered. He just stood around and posed like a male model. He never said a word that could be taken on record.
@Doramin: #71
It did not escape, that Kerry has spent too much time under the plastic surgeon’s scalpel, and is getting too many injections of face and cheek filler.
Such vanity is very troubling to me, but then when I listen to what he says and watch what he does, it just confirms that such individuals should never be handed any power to influence the direction of a Nation.
Well, Redteam, if you watched the hearings, then I’m sure you must have caught Rand Paul telling Kerry – not just once, but twice – that the AUMF was likely to pass, right? Considering you’d think he was the strongest hold out for a “no” vote, and would have a handle on the like minds in the legislative body, that can’t give you much confidence, yes?
You’ll find Rand Paul quotes in this Mediaite article.
The whole thing makes me nauseous… But then this is the second time that Rand Paul has annoyed me with showboating. The first was the drone filabuster, only to come out a couple of weeks later and say he wouldn’t hesitate to kill US citizens on our soil with a drone. ???
Now this… not a battle as to whether this “evidence” is conclusive enough, or even precludes that it could have been done by the rebels. But if the POTUS/CiC will abide by the Congressional vote.
The dumb thing is they can vote for war, in whatever degrees of escalation, they want. It’s still an illegal act because it’s not a response to an attack, or poses a threat to US security. Unlike Saddam and his stated designs on the US, or his documented ties to AQ and affiliate terrorists hosted on his soil, Assad has never threatened the US. In fact, Assad hasn’t threatened Israel, and engaged in trade with them, unless the US decides to lob bombs at him.
Therefore Obama, and a willing Congress, still have to go before the UNSC – as was done with OIF, even if unsuccessfully for full confidence votes – and bring in the OPCW in order for it to be legit in any way. And at this point, it’s looking pretty bleak out there for partners in war.
@Redteam: #69
Also didn’t escape that this joker over-used and abused the phrase, “The President said,” “The President thinks,””The President believes,” “The President is convinced,” “The President . . . . ,” ad nauseam in his address to the Nation. Seems this temporary resident in the Oval Office has successfully surrounded himself with sycophants, and is making fools of everyone he’s appointed around him.
I suspect it’s not too far fetched to state with confidence that only spineless, mindless flatteres have been considered for senior posts.
@MataHarley:
Actually Mata, I did see that. He’s likely right, but so many others, even some Dimocrats are against it. But since the sole reason for it is the prestige of Obama, as I said, nothing surprises me in politics.
I am especially disappointed in Rand Paul, he started out so well, but has become a politician, much like Rubio. Rubio is completely worthless, just a self serving politician.
I agree completely.
@MataHarley: #73
Let’s at least give Paul a half mark for, “. . .And not where you say we have the authority and we’re going to war anyway.”
It’s weak and he didn’t quite slap Obama, but no one else on the hill seems to have addressed the arrogance of this narcissist who had the gall to tell the Nation, “I’ll ask Congress to vote on this, but whatever they do, it’s irrelevant, I’m going it alone.”
Now now, James Raider. I can’t give Rand even a single hand clap for that. That’s like saying I want to beat up on you, so I’ll yell at your wife.
@MataHarley: #77,
LOL, not THAT’s funny.
Seems there’s not much left in Congress to hold respect for. Can’t believe the confusion we’re witnessing in the Republican ranks on Syria. What IS clear is that with his stupidity on Syria, Obama’s managed to obliterate EVERYONE of his SCANDALS from any discussion.
@Redteam: Honestly R.T. I think you’re a nutcase as evidenced by your ridiculous 2 day back and forth with 05 over the awarding of medals for survivors at Fort Hood. Very strange “reasoning” on your part.
Believe me, I read you loud and clear. I just don’t buy the B.S. you’re pushing.
“No evidence Assad has used chemical weapons” I haven’t heard a single Republican echo that statement. You saying you believe Assad? You can’t be THAT stupid.
@Richard Wheeler: When you’ve lost the argument, resort to name calling. The last resort of a weak mind. Hard to believe a former Marine Officer has fallen so low.
@Richard Wheeler:
Well, they have. But since they’re Republicans you’ve had them ‘tuned out’ as usual.
You need to remember what a Marine is, he’s not a ‘name caller’. Try to salvage a little of your pride. Ask your fellow former Marines for forgiveness.
@Redteam: Marines call em as they see em R.T. and if you believe Assad I say you got a screw loose.
Semper Fi
Richard Wheeler
you have a bad habit,
you always spit after you say something,
does anyone insult you here?
do the same to other as if you want it to be done to you.
the first rule of war,
did you forget MARINE?
MataHarley
RAND said it to relate to what OBAMA SAID, HE’LL GO ANYWAY,
and HE has done that before,, me want to go to war,
with my MILITARY, MY TOMAHAWKS, ON MY SHIP,
AND IF YOU CONGRESS DON’T WANT, well STIFU,
FWIW, I have heard that our military has already shipped many, many tons of equipment to the rebels to be used for “cleaning up” after we carry through on the bombings that we have already (secretly) promised to carry out. It wouldn’t surprise me in the least for the rebels to have deployed the CW in order to gain traction in the war of propaganda. Since we (apparently) have already committed our troops to drop bombs, all of the hearings are a façade.
By the way, did anyone else come to the conclusion that “no boots on the ground” means “no ground on my boots”?
Jeff
super info,
bye
@ilovebeeswarzone: Yes Bees, he did forget he used to be a Marine.
RW, you said:
Real Marines stand for the truth, not “as they see um” And if you think I said I believed Assad, then it is you who have the loose screw. Tighten it up and try to get back to being a Marine.
@Redteam: Assad has stated publicly that he has not used chemical weapons. Do you believe him or not? Yea or nay. How bout you Bees?
I stand for and stand by the truth—On Aug.21 2013 he deployed chemical weapons against Syrian civilians and we’ve seen the results. Assad is a scumbag that should have been gone long ago. No one other than the Russians will miss him.
Screw politics.Obama should have acted sooner.Dems. and Repubs. will approve the strike.
@Richard Wheeler: You mean that strike that is not meant to harm Assad? The one that will kill a few civilians, a few very low level military guys? The one that won’t touch the existing chemical weapons? That strike? The one that may possibly cause the entire Middle East to light up in a shooting war? The war that, up to now, has been a civil war confined to Syria, and really not any of our business? All this to prevent the possibility that Obama might get embarrassed because he spoke out of turn… that’s transparency for ya…
From the hearings Wednesday, John Kerry is quoted as saying:
So Kerry is advocating the US become a Mercenary military for the Arabs. Well, I don’t personally believe that what is offered is possible. There is no way the Arabs can pay the value of one American life being taken to fulfill the ME Arabs mercenary ambitions.
Kerry said in 1971
How ironic, here he is asking that Americans die in Syria for a mercenary war funded by the Islamic Arabs. Is he saying there is something in Syria that ‘threatens the United States, that this is not just a Syrian civil war?
My my, how times change, seems as if it’s time JFKerry change or be changed.
@Scott in Oklahoma: I really don’t care how Obama looks on this. Obviously you and R.T. do.
I’ve been saying for over a year that Assad needs to go. I said the same about Gadaffi. Good riddance to both.
Inaction against these two defilers of human decency would be cowardly.
RT Where has Kerry or Obama asked Americans “to die in Syria?”
@Richard Wheeler: RW, podner, you have truly run a wheel off.
If you read what I say, instead of what you ‘think’ or ‘wish’ I had said, you would see where I’ve said I don’t believe anything anyone from the ME says about what is going on over there. I know that much evidence has been given that shows that the CW used in Syria were used by the al Qaeda, and that so far, no one has shown any evidence that proves Assad has given any orders to use CW.
Aannddd, this would be ‘the truth’ according to whom? No one has presented any evidence I’ve seen that ‘proves’ who used the CW. All speculation and finger pointing. I’m surprised that you’ve so completely forgotten your Marine training and apparently wouldn’t know the truth if it hit you in the butt.
I disagree, al Qaeda would miss him and would take advantage of it and take over the Syrian military.
You can’t do that. Politics is the only reason that you will get what you wish, Americans in Syria, fighting for al Qaeda. Please stop using the Marine Corp for your crutch, THEY are better than that.
Richard WHEELER
THIS PARTICULAR ATTACK HAS BEEN MADE BY THE REBELS ALQAEDA,
WE GET MORE AND MORE INFO THAT TELL US IT’S SO,
HOW COME IT’S NOT PUBLICLY TOLD.
ONE THING MORE OF PROOF IS THAT IT WAS SEND TO KILL THOUSANDS MEANING A LACK OF KNOWLEDGE ON THE MEASURE THEY TOOK OR WAS IT ON PURPOSE TO GET OBAMA RED LINE CROSS,
ASSAD WAS ON THE WINNING SIDE NO NEED TO USE THE CHEMICALS, BUT THE OTHER NEEDED TO MAKE A CHANGE ON THE WINNING SIDE AS A DESPERATE MOVE, THEY DID NOT HESITATE TO KILL THEIR CHILDREN TO WIN THAT IS THEIR RADICAL STYLE,
DON’T FORGET THEY EAT HUMAN LIVER,
DOES OBAMA CARE ABOUT THE 59 PERCENT AMERICANS OPPOSE THE ATTACK, WILL HE TAKE RESPONSIBILITY ON A RETALIATION IN AMERICA,
AND 9/ 11 IS COMING TO REMIND ALL OF THE CONSEQUENCES
@Richard Wheeler:
So explain to us ordinary folks exactly why you want to remove the current obstacles to al Qaeda ruling the ME? Just open the door, eh?
There’s no chance Obama can go any lower, though he hasn’t stopped digging.
@ilovebeeswarzone: Bees, you are correct. All the evidence points to al qaeda as using the CW to get the US to remove Assad for them and open the door to the ME for al Qaeda. The gullible go along.
@Redteam: #90
Hilarious! Cough, cough, . . . hang on, I’m getting myself off the floor. Good one Red.
. . . . OK, that’s better, now, . . . the Saudis have for well over a generation depended on the U.S. Military to protect them. They’ve barked, and America’s gone in. NOT ONCE have the Saudis paid the price. No President has had the guts to extract the real cost of protecting them, even when they cried for overwhelming help from Saddam’s forces.
If the Saudis want new leadership in Syria, let them take Assad out themselves. They’re wimps who will do NOTHING.
@ilovebeeswarzone: Bees Thanks for answering my question, R.T.Lets be clear. Are you saying there is no proof Assad has deployed chemical weapons but there is proof the rebels have done so. Pls clarify. Never mind. Just read your response to Bees above.
Do not concur. Whir of helicopters.
@James Raider:
The hammer has hit the nail on the head.
DID OBAMA REPLY FORCEFULLY TO HIS MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD KILLING
THE COPTIC CHRISTIANS IN EGYPT? NAW NOT A WORD,
@Richard Wheeler:
I am saying there is no proof Assad deployed chemical weapons. I am not saying that I have seen/heard proof that rebels did. I will say that the evidence most strongly incriminates the rebels, nothing points to Assad, in that respect.
Now since we’re clarifying, Are you FOR or AGAINST the US Military becoming a Mercenary Force for the Arabs? How many American Marines are you agreeable to being killed to remove Assad? Round numbers will do. Note: my number is zero.
Richard Wheeler,
read MATTA ‘S COMMENTS
Richard Wheeler
read ON MataHarley COMMENTS ,
she describe it
the CONGRESS PEOPLE
they seam to not know the INFOS COMING AS TO THE ALQAEDA ARE SUSPICIOUS
IN THAT MASSACRE
HOW COME?
IT’S UNBELIEVEBLE AS THEY ARE VOTING FOR,
WAS IT HELD FROM THEM DELIBERATELY?
My prediction: If US Congress approves AUMF in Syria, by the time of the Cruise missile attacks, the weapons will have been moved to hospital and school sites. The military sites will be well populated with civilian women and children.
What are the Libs/Obama supporters going to say when the pictures of dead women and children victims of the US cruise missile going to say? Will that be their NEW reason/red line to put boots on the ground?
You can expect this will happen, these politicians are so predictable. Does anyone disagree?
@Redteam: Concur on Zero–same number lost in overthrow of The Mad Col. Gadaffi.