“We are not asking that he [Zimmerman] be convicted; We are asking that he be arrested”



How are George Zimmerman, Trayvon Martin, Pigford, Ryan Julison, the Black Panthers, Al Sharpton, Eric Holder and Barack Obama all connected?

The guys at Conservative Treehouse have put together an incredible piece. It shows how the Zimmerman-Martin case became the monster it is:

It begins with Tracy Martin reaching out on February 28th to his sister-in-law attorney Patricia Jones, she in turn contacted Benjamin Crump from Parks and Crump law firm in Tallahassee. Crump contacted Tracy Martin February 29th and took the case March 1st.

Chasing that initial “contact angle” takes you into another insane web of interwoven associations. So I’m skipping it, but you can READ IT HERE.

Crump then contacted Orlando Attorney Natalie Jackson to begin the process of formulating the offensive strategy. Natalie Jackson is a Seminole County NAACP board member and serves as a member of the Legal Redress Committee. In addition Natalie Jackson’s mom, Francis Oliver, is a major activist and historian within the NAACP.

Natalie Jackson and Benjamin Crump hire Media Communications expert Ryan Julison, who Jackson had previously worked with on the Sanford Sherman Ware case where they were able to extort leverage financial restitution from the son of a former Sanford Police Lieutenant; the son’s name is Justin Collison, and he was charged with beating Sherman Ware. In addition to money paid to Sherman Ware, Collison, the grandson of a very wealthy former federal judge, also paid off the NAACP. Ryan Julison ran the media campaign to support Ware.

While Julison went about pitching the racist white George Zimmerman murdering the innocent Trayvon Martin to the media, which he did very effectively, Benjamin Crump got in touch with his former cohorts from the Martin Lee Anderson case; namely Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and National NAACP President Ben Jealous.

The Zimmerman family quickly noticed the racist narrative being drawn and sold with reckless abandon on all the media, and they reached out to Sanford/Seminole County NAACP President Turner Clayton who they thought would support George Zimmerman from Clayton’s prior knowledge of how Zimmerman actively supported Sherman Ware within the black community.

However, if Clayton supported Zimmerman and admitted the non-racist knowledge, then he would be undercutting Natalie Jackson, who was, and is, a member of his board and now attacking Zimmerman.

So Clayton obfuscated and kept his mouth shut so he wouldn’t lose credibility within his own ethnic community, and most especially with the NAACP.

Ryan Julison continued selling his media pitch to multiple media outlets, and running cover for a few slip ups by Sybrina Fulton, such as when she said she thought the shooting was an accident. The frenzy was fierce and Julison kept chumming the media water.

Julison claimed to have worked with ABC News reporter Matt Gutman who posted this story:

ABC News has uncovered questionable police conduct in the investigation of the fatal shooting of an unarmed black teenager by a white neighborhood watch captain in Florida, including the alleged “correction” of at least one eyewitness’ account.

[…] Witnesses told ABC News a fist fight broke out and at one point Zimmerman, who outweighed Martin by more than 100 pounds, was on the ground and that Martin was on top.

“That was my baby, my youngest son,” mother Sybrina Fulton told ABC News in an interview in Miami. “He meant a lot to me, I don’t think the police department really understands that…I need justice for my family, I just want justice for my son.”

And this is the crux of the story:

“We are not asking that he [Zimmerman] be convicted; We are asking that he be arrested”

-Benjamin Crump Esq.
Attorney for Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fuller
(Quoted to Piers Morgan on 4/3/2012)



The Trayvon family is not seeking justice in the form you would think. No, they are seeking monetary justice, or more directly monetary gain. THAT is the motivation; and the absence of an “arrest” is what stands between them and their ability to sue in civil court”.

Ask yourself why would anyone want an arrest without a conviction?

“We are not asking that he be convicted; We are asking that he be arrested”

Why is that so important?

The answer can be found in the statutes of Florida law surrounding Justifiable Use Of Force (Statute 776) which outlines in Statute 776.032

Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use of force:

(1) A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who was acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer. As used in this subsection, the term “criminal prosecution” includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or prosecuting the defendant.

(2) A law enforcement agency may use standard procedures for investigating the use of force as described in subsection (1), but the agency may not arrest the person for using force unless it determines that there is probable cause that the force that was used was unlawful.

(3) The court shall award reasonable attorney’s fees, court costs, compensation for loss of income, and all expenses incurred by the defendant in defense of any civil action brought by a plaintiff if the court finds that the defendant is immune from prosecution as provided in subsection (1).

Note that in section 2 of the immunity statute 776.032 a person is “immune” from criminal or CIVIL action if they are not arrested. The arrest itself can be interpreted as “Probable Cause” the force, or action taken, was unlawful.

Remember the key distinction between guilt or innocence in Criminal vs. Civil trials. In criminal trials the burden of proof is “beyond a reasonable doubt”. In civil trials the burden of proof is “with a preponderance of the existing evidence”; this is where probable cause comes into play. For the purpose of “monetary justice” it only takes an arrest; a subsequent conviction is not necessary.

Without an arrest there is no standing for a civil case awarding monetary damages to Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fuller against George Zimmerman, the HOA for The Retreat At Twin Lakes, and possibly the City of Sanford and all of their respective insurance companies.

Read the whole thing. Repeatedly. It’s a remarkable piece of work. It’s the stuff of Pulitzers were they to hand one out to someone who was anything other than a liberal whackjob.

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@Richard Wheeler: Being a Nebraska Grad I became a Niner fan when Rathman and Craig ran in the backfield behind Joe. I love the Dodgers and when I was a young boy growing up in the Midwest LA was my team!! I remember Duke Snyder, Pee Wee, and of course Sandy Kolfax!! Giants came along recently after Bonds left the team. My daughters went to college up in the Cruz and so a fan for a short time. I admire their team spirit and never give up attitude. I remember well the year Micky and Roger hit all those dingers!! I was in New York when Jaba had his first start, not a good result but as a Husker still a thrill. Packed stadium and Yankee fans are some of the best in the world. Keep the faith brother.

@Richard Wheeler:

I find it ironic this guy who didn’t serve chooses the moniker of a famous Union General. Choosing to live vicariously through an honored soldier while ducking the opportunity to actually serve his country. Strange.

No, what is strange is that you seem to be able to glean so much just from someone’s moniker. “Living vicariously?” How so? It couldn’t be due to respect, or locality or even just a fondness for someone they might have a lineage connection to? “Ducking the opportunity to actually serve his country?” You mean how Obama “ducked” the opportunity to serve his country, yet you still voted for him?

News flash, Richard; serving your nation honorably doesn’t give you the right to pass judgment on those, who for their own reasons, didn’t wear the uniform of our nation, considering you have voted for men who did not when you had a choice between them and someone who did serve honorably. And serving in uniform, honorably, is not a get-out-of-jail free card when you do bad things after you leave the military. Or maybe you have forgotten that the nation’s biggest traitor served this nation honorably for a while. His name was Benedict Arnold.

@Wm T Sherman:

One of your troll quirks is to assert that some negative thing that I am against is in fact the opposite — a thing I want, a thing that will disappoint if it does not come to pass.

I’m going to call you full of you-know-what. It’s human nature to want to be right. And you bet on something that has no downside for you. This isn’t like Jews in 1930s Germany, despite your ridiculously dire future prognostications. I don’t think there was ever a point leading up to the Zimmerman verdict where you thought you were going to be hiding in someone’s attic like Ann Frank. You’re not in the French Resistance, although perhaps plein de merde. Maybe you were just hoping for some riots, localized in big city black neighborhoods, far away from you, so you could feel righteously angry about the “flash mobs” and tell all your friends on Facebook how terrible it all is, and how you predicted it, and Al Sharpton is a flash mob enabler, then go on with your normal life.


you bet on something that has no downside for you.

You’re nuts. And of course it has a downside for all of us.

This isn’t like Jews in 1930s Germany


You’re not in the French Resistance


Maybe you were just hoping for some riots, localized in big city black neighborhoods, far away from you, so you could feel righteously angry about the “flash mobs”

Mobs and assaults are not confined to big city black neighborhoods. Thug life applies in any time & location where thugs think they have a quorum. Thanks to modern technology this can be arranged if desired.

I’ll point out here that you entire rant is predicated on
1. My unacceptable mental state.
2. Your ability to divine my mental state using your special powers.

My actual mental state: I see a general process of long term decay in society. There is a trend to economic decline, loss of privacy and freedom, dumbing down of the education level, and a balkanization of society into mutually hostile groups, all encouraged by government policies. This is happening on a time-scale of years. The negative effects of this decay are not confined to slum areas by any means. And besides – as we can see from the example of Detroit, even if you don’t go to the slums, the slums may eventually come to you. You can move — what a drag. Will there always be some new place to move to escape crime and disintegration of government services–what if there isn’t? And there are the people living in poverty who lose the ability to move up. Because of our debt and our economic decline, government aid is going to start to dry up at some point — people conditioned to depend on it will not do well, there are fewer jobs every year, and some people don’t have the education necessary to get a job.

What is our future? Perhaps a small elite living in gated communities with armed guards, and sea of poverty and danger surrounding them. Ask yourself — you see what our politicians are doing — what on earth do they think is going to happen?

@Common Sense: Great memories–Thanks for sharing–1961 was the yr -catch the HBO movie of the same name. Actors look like Rog and Mick—in 54 caught a foul ball hit by Yogi at Yankee Stadium. My uncle a beat sportswriter took it into clubhouse and got all to sign—Mick,Yogi,Moose,Whitey,Bauer etc. Had in glass–till I took it out to throw around with my buddies. Big mistake.
Love the “red shirt” tradition of Husker football, Great fans,program and Tradition. Stay strong
C.S. I got clowns on here comparing me to Benedict Arnold.You think that may be a stretch?
Wheeler Capt. USMCR

there was 3 persons murder in CLEVELAND ON THE NEWS FOX TODAY.
they have a suspect,

Richard Wheeler
it’s not for you to question another person’s life,
you are showing arrogance by using the : I SERVE,

@Richard Wheeler: Correction Common Sense The ” black shirts.” Vaunted defense of Big Red football.
Bees You never cease to amuse me.

@Richard Wheeler: Yep, the Blackshirts are the key!! I was a Senior when Johnny the Jet Rogers ran back the punt to beat the Sooners!! Great rivalry and I miss it. I always loved to beat Florida teams as well!!

@Richard Wheeler: Definitely a stretch. It’s always a bit sad when these discussions revert to name calling and character assassination. Clearly this is based on ignorance. Having said that though, it’s easy to do and I am not innocent of such tactics. If fact, I gave myself a time out for a couple of months which I deserved!!

@Common Sense: Johnny Rodgers ouch!
1973 Orange Bowl Ran for 3, caught one and threw 50 yd T.D pass in 40-6 win over Notre Dame—sat out last 20 minutes. Probably greatest single game achievement in college football history.

@Richard Wheeler: Always a good conversation to discuss Norte Dame and their schedule vs other top teams. Actually my wife has a poster of Joe signed “To Cherie with Love, Joe Montana”. I have a football signed by Eric Crouch but by the time Miami overhauled them in the championship game and then his failure in the pro’s it’s not worth too much. Will always be a Husker though!! Pretty nice group of fans in the area and we get together for the games. It’s been hard to watch though and the whooping Wisconsin put on us last year made me change my plate frame to Giants.

@Wm T Sherman:

My post apparently, with all it’s obvious historical analogues, seems to have left you completely baffled, or feigning confusion, perhaps, with all your question marks (“?”). It’s actually pretty simple: your false and overblown hyping of danger and violence was just a blatant call to corral and mute those who might, as is their Constitutional right, say things you don’t want said. Before the protests even took place, your instinct was to discredit and undermine them through rather questionable fear mongering, to cry “fire” so to speak. Is Freedom of Assembly a selective Right in your mind?