Navy SEALS are part of a video that admonishes Barack Obama for leaking national security secrets that Obama believes can benefit him politically.
Here is the trailer
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlfBlsigaLk[/youtube]
Here is the entire movie
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-Xfti7qtT0[/youtube]
Well, this was just too much for Eric Boehlert of Media Matters. He called them gutless. Well, not technically. He said that they have no guts.
Then he largely denied having said it
And then he tried to walk it back
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You can decide if you believe him. I don’t.
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@another vet: I will confirm your DD 214. I believe you were responsible for keeping me alive in Iraq with you special intel and connections.That likely willnot be on you DD 214. I too will challenge these Obama apoligists who think they know everything because they read it in the media. I have beenout for 4 years and still get info on what is happening in theater. Once a SEAL, always a SEAL. These guys never retire. They remain connected to the current members of the unit. The truth here is that Obama has leaked national secrets for political gain. These “want to bes” or want to knows have no clue how much potential damage this administration has caused. Because of the leaks, our intel sources are closing down all over the world. Our ability to stop another 9-11 has been compromised considerably. You can thank the political asperations of your president for that. Unfortunately, it is likely to happen on Romney’s term.
Most of Obama’s supporters just want him to get the same credit any Commander in Chief would be due under similar circumstances. It probably wouldn’t be much of an issue, if it weren’t for the orchestrated efforts on the right to convince people that Osama bin Laden didn’t really matter, or to turn the mission into some sort of political liability.
@another vet:
What exactly are you insinuating? If you are going to raise my reaction to the death of bin ladin at least have the decency to quote me. Display the integrity you find so wanting in our President.
@Greg: So you gave Bush credit for winning the ground war in Iraq in just a few weeks time? LOL!!!!
@Mr. Irons
Please point me to the post where I said Obama deserved “all” the credit. If you can’t is it a mistake or a lie?
BTW, I find it amazing you think killing someone who murdered thousands of American citizens and who directly or indirectly caused two wars, is of so little significance.
@Greg: OBL did matter but only to a point. He was but one man of a movement so to speak. Capturing Saddam did not end the war in Iraq. Hitler committing suicide did not end WWII. Stalin’s death did not end Communism. This war will last a long time. Victory (other than Iraq) was not achieved on Bush’s watch. It won’t be achieved on Obama’s watch. And it probably won’t be achieved on the next President’s watch. OBL getting waxed was a victory, but it didn’t end the war. Look at our casualty figures and you will see that there is still a war going on. The Reserve unit I served with on my second tour in Iraq just returned from there and over 20% of them came back with Purple Hearts and they were a Civil Affairs unit not a combat unit although that’s who they mostly went out with on their missions. To think the war is over because OBL is dead will lead to a big disappointment. Focus on the big picture. Once again, look at Aye’s post. There is no difference between what the SEALs said about OBL’s death and what Obama said yet you criticize the SEALs.
@Randy, #54:
I wasn’t aware that the ground war in Iraq had been won in just a few weeks time. But that’s not the topic under discussion.
@Tom: I don’t know how to get past posts here. If someone else knows, it would have been the night he was killed. You guys were on a thread and I broke in to tell everyone he was killed. Your response was along the lines of how happy you were for Obama. I may have you confused with someone else, if so my sincere apologies but that particular response has stuck in my head the whole time. I will try to locate it myself.
@Mr. Irons:
So you have proof these supposed leaks have put Americans in harms way? Where is it? Why isn’t Romney cruising on this info to an easy victory? Oh, you don’t have proof. What does that make your statements, and you , then?
@Greg: What do you call it when all of the enemy abandons their uniforms and equipment and stops fighting?
@Tom: Anyone who reveals the vulnerabilities of security leaks are as guilty as Obama. It is something you do not do. Romney will not do it either. It is quite apparent you know nothing about OPSEC even though you have pretended to know by posting here.
@Tom:Found it. This was your very first comment on the matter taken from the May 2, 2011 thread:
Congratulations, President Obama, on taking care of business. Wait, is that the short-form death certificate???
@another vet:
Well I hope you can locate it since you decided to attack my character rather than debate the issue at hand. If you can’t I hope you will have the decency to retract your falsehood and the underlying implication that I am anti US military.
@Randy, #60:
The beginning of . . . What was it they called it before they thought better of it and decided to find another term? The Iraqi resistance? The vast majority of our military casualties came after the point you seem to want to declare the war “won.”
People can play games with semantics for political reasons all they want. It doesn’t change the grim reality of the KIA statistics.
@Tom: Where did I say you were anti military? I pointed out your first reaction which was 100% Obama. Only later did you express gratitude to the military. I criticized you for criticizing the SEALs. You were the one who said I was in over my depth thereby attacking my service and character. The attacks against the SEALs are attacks on their characters as opposed discussing the issue at hand which are the leaks. Perhaps we are misinterpreting what each is trying to say.
@Greg: Well Greg, you had to be there to know your butt from your face. I was and I saw it. What happened after the ground war was fought and won was an insurection or terrorist movement. It was not a war between armies. There is a difference you know. Well, maybe you do not know!
@Greg: Now apply the same criteria to Afghanistan after OBL’s death. The war isn’t over is it?
@another vet:
I have never attacked your service or character. I actually think its possible to disagree with someone without thinking he or she is morally corrupt. I am sure you are a hell of a guy and a fine American. I just don’t agree with you on this topic. Can you conceive of such a notion, respectful disagreement?
@Tom: I sure can. If we all thought the same, it would be a boring world. Perhaps I took your “out of depth” comment the wrong way.
Well all you Obama supporters who think the Democrats are not using this for political gain: http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/dem-senator-obama-led-seals-mission-kill-bin-laden_650242.html
@another vet</
I should not have put it that way. I feel this is political in nature, that there is a deeper level under the surface. If you disagree, so be it.
@Tom: No problem. I’ve done the same. There are only a couple of people who post here who I won’t give the time of day to and you aren’t one of them. Other than those two individuals, I would not hesitate to pop a few cold ones with anyone here. Good debate is healthy because there is something to learned from it.
@Tom: Tom, why can you not see this for what it is. These guys are speaking for those in the service who can not speak for themselves and their fellow military members. You and the rest of the Obama appoligists are more concerned with supporting Obama instead of looking at the national security issues here. Another Vet has been in intel for a long time. He has seen how politicians have hindered military success only for political gain. Doesn’t it make even a little sense that if our administration leaks classified secrets that was given to us by covert sources that those sources will discontinue their cooperation? The Brit who infiltrated AQ in Yeman and was successful in stopping the bombing effort was burned by Obama and his administration. Those who cooperated with that Brit were rounded up and likely killed. Now we will find it difficult to get another to provide intel. Put your defense of Obama aside and think for a moment. Isn’t this possible? Then that may lead you to think that as our security leaks destroy leads and sources, we wil not get the intel that protects the country. That is what another Vet and others here are trying to get across to you.
@Randy, #73:
You don’t know that. The investigation is ongoing, multi-agency, and extremely thorough. There are as yet no findings.
So far as prosecution for such things goes, consider the fact that the Obama administration has prosecuted more people for leaking classified information than all previous presidential administrations combined.
The results of the investigation may not be what you’re expecting and may well come before the election, so you’d probably push all of the damaging rumors as quickly and as hard as possible. They may have a short shelf life.
Randy
hi,
I’m just thinking from what you just said, that in this situation what come first before all is the security and
to protect it whoever has in their hand the secrets of the war strategy have to comply and keep those secrets from any media, any of their best friends, any of other people from foreign COUNTRY EVEN IF THEY BECOME FRIEND OR HAVE SOME CLOSE RELATIONSHIP WITH, EVEN IF THEY HAVE A POSITION OF POWER, AND EVEN IF THEY HAVE THE TOP POSITION OF THIS NATION,
THEY ARE SECOND PLACE OVER THOSE SECRETS WHICH ARE THE FIRST MOST IMPORTANT ASSET,
EVEN THE LIFE OF THAT TOP POSITION PERSON IS SECOND TO THE PRESERVATION OF THOSE SECRETS, I THINK THIS IS THE RIGHT EXPLANATION FOR THOSE WHO STILL HAVE NOT UNDERSTOOD,
BYE
@Greg: Well, MI6 accused the White House. They are an accredited intel agency. He was their source. You would rather believe Holderer right? He has nothing to hide. That is why he in fighting and losing battles on voter ID, fast and furious, failure to prosecute voter intimidation and many other issues. You honestly expect him to find the leak? I have a bridge in Brooklyn I will sell you cheap!
@another vet:
Agreed. I may disagree with these guys but I would never disrespect any vet when it comes to their service. Guys like you deserve a ton of credit.
@Randy:
Randy, you make some very serious allegations. I’m just asking for proof. Otherwise, I think you will agree, this seems kind if like a smear campaign. If we can’t agree Obama made the right call in this one incident, is it possible to agree on anything?
@ilovebeeswarzone: Ms Bees, I do not know how to explain it any simpler. It is just plain common sense. If you do not maintain the security of the information you get from sources, you lose sources and will not have the intel you need when you need it! That is what these military members are concerned about. You should listen to active military talk about the CIC in private. They know he is placing them in unnecessary danger.
Media Matters is a front for Soros.
Soros wants to distract you and America from the facts and figures about Medicare/ObamaCare that Paul Ryan is putting out there.
I know we can walk and chew gum at the same time, but all this is is a niggling act of a desperate campaign.
@Tom: No one here is concerned about making the call. We were all concerned with the announcement, when it was made, the amount of info that was given. There was a lot of intel that was lost because Obama had to announce the killing right away. Look at all of the other leaks. Was it right to compromise our intel efforts by revealing those secrets? No one is concerned about making the call to kill OBL. Just the release of classified information that compromised national security.
@Tom: This being an election year and everyone rooting for their party, debating will be more intense. I despise politics and politicians but somehow it always figures in. Politicians are lower than whale shit and that’s at the bottom of the ocean.
There was no reasonfor Obama to release classified information unless it was to bolster his political career. He released the info and compromised the safety of every person in the US and mostly military and intel agency members.
Randy
yes it is very well explain, and the necessary path to keep in mind by any authority,
because there are many on the outside who are trying by many tricky way to get some info
from the secrets, and it take one word to offer them a lead they will come back with other tricky questions to get the second word and so on, soon they find the key to make their story, if it pass as truth they win,
if it doesn’t pass they keep at it, like detective, that’s their life style and they get paid for it,
they also pay a lot for secrets,
bye
@Randy: I think part of the problem here is that not everyone has been in the position to see the damage leaks can do therefore they can’t relate to it. Compromise some info and it can cost lives. I was in a training exercise at JRTC in the early ’90’s and we were getting ready to insert teams. The fly boys who were going to insert the teams were at a local bar and told the entire plan to the ladies in order to impress them. In the real world, that would have cost lives.
@Randy:
Randy, we did this in another country. How long could it have remained unacknowledged?
@Tom: The difference here is the enemy doesn’t know what happened and they imagine much more than really happened. Not knowing caused disruption within the enemy ranks which we can use to our advantage. It also allows for distribution of disinformation to further confuse the enemy.
It doesn’t matter where the incident happened. Intel leaks for political gain compromise the overall strategy. If it would have taken them a week to figure out some of this, that is a week we could have killed many more bad guys. What happened when the classified information was released, the enemy knew who did it, where they were stationed and how they operated. They made major changes in how they communicate, who they can trust and many other operational changes. Ben and Jerry’s keep their ice cream ingredients more secret than this administration keeps classified information secret. A leak is a leak. A leak compromises future operations and makes us vulnerable. When the next terrorist act occurs on US soil, will you stick up for the person who leaked the intel who allowed the incident to happen? Thought not!
@Randy, #87:
I think it’s possible that the enemy knows precisely as much as they were intended to know. They know that a sh-t load of information was recovered on hard drives, but don’t have a clue specifically what; they know that moles can be operating totally undetected inside al Qaeda, demonstrating that they no longer have a clue who they can trust. That sort of stuff has a paralyzing effect–particularly when unexpected Hellfire missiles are blowing your cadre off the map like clockwork.
I think it’s also possible that the public has about as much information as they were intended to have concerning the Abbattobad raid, except for what was revealed by the crash of the stealth helicopter. What actual proof do you really have that the administration can’t control leaks, or has been the actual source of leaks? These are the people who gave no clue that Osama bin Laden had been located, while options were discussed, plans were laid, teams were assembled, the raid was rehearsed, and finally carried out. No one outside of the loop had so much as a clue that anything was going on until the Obama administration announced Osama bin Laden was dead.
What we’ve got here are competing story lines. Most people seem to be picking the one they like based on their political orientation.
@Greg: Greg, you will never understand until you take your head out of your butt. It is the leaks after the killing of OBL that has and is causing the damage. All of the leaks add up. Most every one except you can figure it out. It is about time that the folks here at FA admit that you are a hopless case. You require surgery and that is beyond our capability.
If a GOP president had done what Obama had, regarding OBL, the MSM and the liberal/progressives would have been all over his/her case about “patting themselves on the back” and about leaking important information regarding the mission.
As for the ex-Navy Seals protesting Obama’s actions, I said it before; Knowing how close-knit that community of warriors is, including how they stay in touch with each other after their end of service, the ones in the video more than likely are protesting not only for themselves, but also on behalf of the current active-duty Seal team members.
Besides, they have every right to protest Obama and his admin’s words and actions if those words and actions can/will lead to the deaths of their friends currently serving.
And Greg, it doesn’t matter one whit that the ex-Seal in the video is a male model. The fact that you continue to bring that fact up about him only shows that you are well-learned in the disgusting and intellectually dishonest tactics Alinsky preached about. But of course, I wouldn’t expect anything less from you.
@Greg: Since you have an issue with the SEALS speaking out, did you have an issue with Tammy Duckworth coming home,becoming a darling of the anti-war movement, criticizing the war and Bush, and then using her service as a platform to run on for Congress?
Since OPSEC doesn’t matter to you, at least when not when it makes someone you support look good, let’s see how you feel about laws. Below is a copy of an SF 312, the nondisclosure agreement individuals with access to classified material sign and are subject to. The penalty for violating it, at least up until few years ago, could go up to 10 years imprisonment and/or a $10,000 fine. That fits the definition of a felony. Whoever leaked this information either violated this agreement and thus committed a crime or was authorized by someone higher up to leak it.
http://www.fas.org/sgp/isoo/new_sf312.pdf
@Richard Wheeler:
They started the PAC to made their voices heard. Anyone can do that, hell Stephen Cobert did it. I don’t think you’ve heard anyone on here complain about VETPAC. They are major league lefties. You know as well as I do that in-service military members are allowed to support PACs monetarily, but not vocally.
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@Greg: Yes I do agree with you Greg, you were sub-par and unable to make the cut, road the rails for a short time to claim “service” and became slighted at those in the community as any cake-eater would…
Richard Wheeler
so what if they make money from it, just good, why not?
are they not suppose to or allowed to, who says?
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Bees #94 Spoken like a true Republican.lol
Maybe those comparing this video ad to the ‘swiftboating’ attacks Kerry suffered under could show me where Kerry released his service records, as he said that he would in response, and in counterattack, to the swiftboating attack’s claims against him.
Why do I say this? Because you cannot use an account of an action that although related, twists the account into something that it absolutely wasn’t, and then use that twisted account to compare, and thus paint a negative view, of another action. Doing so requires one to completely dismiss their own intellectual honesty about what reality actually is.
@Randy:
He knows what you are saying is right, he just doesn’t care. I sometimes wonder if he is a paid shill because there are times I am positive that even he doesn’t believe the line he is pushing.
His number one goal is to promote leftist propganda. If he had any shame……he wouldn’t be a leftist.
@Tom:
Ah yes, how dare those put in danger by political hacks desperately seeking to hold onto power complain about it.
This is a pattern for you tom. You like to tell the victims to shut up when they point out the misdeeds of your leftist bretheren.
I bet you’d make a great rape victim counselor (sarcasm).
H.R Speaking of “legitimate rape” how bout that hard right clown running for the Senate in MIZZOU. What an idiot. Repubs seem to be trying to keep The Senate under Dem. control.
@Richard Wheeler:
It’s off subject, but I would say you insult clowns with your comparison.
Amazing we could have anyone that thinks like that in this day and age, but we had whoopi-rape-rape too. So I guess it’s not as uncommon as one would think.