Bill Maher – I Do Not Want The Western World Taken Over By Islam

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Bill Maher – The most popular name in the United Kingdom, Great Britain, this was in the news this week, for babies this year was Muhammad. Am I racist to feel alarmed by that? Because I am. And it’s not because of the race, it’s because of the religion. I don’t have to apologize, do I, for not wanting the Western world to be taken over by Islam in 300 years?”

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“The Mujahedeens raided a filthy nest of the nests of polytheism, which has been long taken by the Christians of Iraq as a headquarter for a war against the religion of Islam and they were able by the grace of God and His glory to capture those were gathered in and to take full control of all its entrances,” the group Islamic State of Iraq said on their website….

Huh?
What was THAT about?
Ancient history, like when the Hebrews were told to clean out their land?
Nope.
Yesterday.
Baghdad, Iraq.

The death toll from a hostage standoff at a Catholic church in Baghdad has risen to 58, police officials with the Iraqi Interior Ministry said Monday.

Seventy-five others were wounded in the attack by armed gunmen Sunday, the officials said, adding that most of the casualties were women and children. Two priests were also among the dead….

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/11/01/iraq.violence/index.html?hpt=T1

@ditto:

You miss my point (not a criticism; obviously I was insufficiently clear). You object:

What happened during the Crusades is not relevant to the discussion of radical Islam today. That’s simply a diversionary tactic to ignore the issue. The sins of ancients are not born by the generations of today.

The reference to the brutality of the Crusaders and the mercy of Saladin was simply an affirmation of my point that one needs to judge people on the basis of actions, as opposed to on the basis of ancient scripture. Saladin lived only three centuries after Mohammed, yet he was merciful. Crusaders, literally fighting a Holy War for Christianity, were merciless.

Objectively speaking, there is vastly more murder and mayhem, on a per capita basis, perpetrated by Christian-raised African Americans in the USA than by Islamic-raised Middle Eastern and Southwest Asian Muslims in the USA. Yet we judge the former as individuals, by their deeds and do not seek to demonize them as a group.

Alcohol causes more death and mayhem in the USA and the world, by far, than does Islam (e.g. just one recent study), yet we don’t condemn social drinkers (thank goodness, from a personal point of view).

The relevancy wit the “ancient scripture” of the Koran, is that radical Muslims are acting upon those teachings as a continuation of holy war today. You can pretend that it is not happening, but that is a refusal to accept reality. This Koran based intolerance is taught as fundamental to Islamic belief and actions in the world of today. All religions with the exception of Islam have long ago put aside holy war. Including Israel. The Christians and Jews of today do not embrace or practice Deuteronomy 17:2-5. They are willing to live in peace with the other religions so long as they are left in peace.

The overwhelming majority of Muslims are willing to live in peace with the other religions, so long as they are left in peace. Just like the overwhelming majority of Christians and Jews eschew polygamy, though polygamy is sanctioned by the Bible (King David having had a half dozen or so wives and King Solomon having had hundreds). Judging all Muslims by the actions of a sect of fanatics is like judging all of Christianity by the lifestyles of fundamentalist Mormons. Or judging all ex-military by the actions of Timothy McVeigh (who won a Bronze Star for his US Army service in the First Gulf War).

The Israelis war stance of today is that they are only fighting for the right to exist, and not under clerical marching orders. If their Muslim neighbors in the area would leave them alone, there would be peace. But, because of the intolerance they are being taught, they feel it is their religious duty to destroy Israel.

You are confusing religious Jihad with a fight for land. The Palestinian Arabs are not fighting a Holy War; it’s a simple conflict over land. The Israelis feel that they won wars and are entitled to the fruits of their military victories. But the Palestinians never surrendered; for them, the war is ongoing. Who is “right” and who is “wrong” is an extremely complex issue, but the point is that it has nothing at all to do with religion and everything to do with the sort of territorial disputes which have spawned thousands of wars, big and little, throughout history.

You say:

You asked for my “final solution.” I hadn’t really thought that I should be the one to solve the problem. If I succed I think I should be paid for it, since so many others seem to have their heads up their butts. Logic would point to cold-war espionage management of all potential agents at all entry points. (1) Know and understand your potential enemies. (2) Do not allow enemy operatives free run amongst you. (3) Carefully screen those entering your country, that they are not members of radical terror groups or their operatives. For those allowed to enter, keep diligence upon them. Record where they go, who is sponsoring them. And what actions they perform while in this country. There is no reason why we should not be extremely careful when dealing with operatives from arias which sponsor terrorism. Immigration from state sponsers of terrorism should be denied.

I am 100% in agreement with this last paragraph, above, except in cases of political asylum for true potential victims of political persecution (e.g. an anti-Mullah Iranian, in mortal danger).

– Larry Weisenthal/Huntington Beach, CA

Objectively speaking, there is vastly more murder and mayhem, on a per capita basis, perpetrated by Christian-raised African Americans in the USA than by Islamic-raised Middle Eastern and Southwest Asian Muslims in the USA. Yet we judge the latter as individuals, by their deeds and do not seek to demonize them as a group.

Got any real numbers to support this? Especially provide the religeous breakdown evidence that supports your claim that said African-Americans were “Christian raised” including comparative data on those “atheist raised”, “Judaical raised”, “Muslim raised”, or “(any other religion)-raised”.

Alcohol causes more death and mayhem in the USA and the world, by far, than does Islam (e.g. just one recent study), yet we don’t condemn social drinkers (thank goodness, from a personal point of view).

Diversions, more diversion…

You are confusing Jihad with a fight for land.

It is you who are trying to pretend that the Palestinian religious up-bringing is not related. And it has everything to do with religion (Muslim Vs Jew) as can be clearly be experienced by examination of the vitriolic Islamic propaganda against the Israeli made by their neighboring nations, most of whom lost no lands whatsoever to the creation of the nation of Israel. Every time Israel has given back lands for peace, their Muslim neighbors have answered their peaceful gesture with cowardly attacks on Israeli civilians. The post WW2 world leadership returned these lands to the Jewish people who’s ancestors had been attacked under, murdered by, and driven out from by violent Muslim expansionism. (Which you conveniently overlooked whilst beating your chest over the Crusades.) Jews were driven north, into Eurasia to escape the murderous Mohammedans and their jihad.

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Alcohol causes more death and mayhem in the USA and the world, by far, than does Islam (e.g. just one recent study), yet we don’t condemn social drinkers (thank goodness, from a personal point of view).
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It is true that alcohol-related deaths have killed 79,000-84,000 in the USA alone between the years 2001-2009.

That’s ~ 759 a month.

But those numbers include all alcohol-related deaths, whether from heart disease, hardened arteries, bad liver, accident, or anything else!

Excessive alcohol use can result in over 60 different types of health problems and diseases!

As a result, doctors agree, alcohol ranks as the third leading cause of preventable, lifestyle-related deaths every year in the U.S., coming after tobacco use and poor eating habits.

Now, if we compare that figure only to violent jihad-related deaths, alcohol, tobacco use and poor eating habits probably all win!

There have been 16,313 violent jihad attacks in the name of Islam since 9-11-01.
Most of them caused more than one dead….and many more injured.

For example, in September, 2010, there was 172 individual violent jihad attacks.
But those attacks left 703 dead and 1454 injured.

Ramadan lasts one lunar month and traditionally was a month where jihad was refrained from!
Not so anymore!
This year’s Ramadan saw 227 terror attacks worldwide.
226 of them were in the name of Islam.
1 was in the name of another religion/or cause.
Of the 226 Muslim attacks there was a death toll of 1,028.

that’s over the average death rate for alcohol-related deaths.

But Islam does far more destructive things that kill people besides violent jihad.

@ditto: We’ve each made our respective points. You have the last word.

P.S. @nan, with respect to the alcohol statistics: You are making an apples to oranges comparison. US alcohol-related deaths, compared to worldwide Jihadi-related deaths. With respect to “medical” causes of alcohol-related deaths — no, I wasn’t referring to that. I was referring to violence and mayhem, attributed to alcohol, in the USA, compared to violence and mayhem, attributed to Islamic-jihad, in the USA. Every year in the USA, there are more alcohol-related traffic fatalities (I think, roughly 15,000 per year), by far, than the sum total of people killed by religious Islamism in the history of the USA. Traffic crashes are extremely violent and often painful deaths. I’m sure that it is the same, on a world-wide basis, in non-Islamic countries (as Islamic countries ban alcohol). The point is that we don’t judge social drinkers because of the actions of an irresponsible 10% and we certainly shouldn’t judge American Muslims, because of the actions of an irresponsible 0.001% !

– Larry Weisenthal/Huntington Beach, CA

Larry, interesting last word.

I wish to high heavens judges in America would throw the book at anyone who drives under the influence.

But the direction of this country toward the ”law of the land” seems to be to throw it under the bus.

http://www.meforum.org/meq/pdfs/2769.pdf

This document show some of the reasons for middle east conflicts. The media propogates the lies that leftists use in foriegn affairs.

Bill Maher has been interviewed by Wolf Blitzer on CNN.

Here is the link, but the transcript is off.
So, listen instead of read.
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/bill-maher-stands-by-mohammed-remarks-i-dont-need-to-apologize-for-being-a-proud-westerner/

@ditto

The post WW2 world leadership returned these lands to the Jewish people who’s ancestors had been attacked under, murdered by, and driven out from by violent Muslim expansionism.(Which you conveniently overlooked whilst beating your chest over the Crusades.)

You aldo conveniently forgot to mention that the Jews also committed genocide (as mentioned in the Bible) to gain this land in the first place! And if we start to resettle people and give them ownership based on whether their ancestors lived on a particularly piece of land many hundreds of years ago – where do you stop? Should all native people have their lands restored from the European invaders?

@gaffa

You and open.aol’s attempts to change the subject to historical turf wars are mute to the question of the possible danger posed by Islamic expansion. I only mentioned it because that was why the post war allies settled the surviving Jews in Israel. I had no control over the decision. I take no credit or guilt for anything that I wasn’t a party of. (Including the crusades, slavery, Cain slaying Able, etc…)

Now to get back on topic, answer me these Gaffa:

(1) Have you read the Koran? If not, how do you expect to understand Muslims, their religion or society’s system of beliefs?

(2) Do you deny that devote Muslims believe in and follow the Koran’s teachings? Do you think that they feel free to tell their clerics that the will ignore the words of Koran they don’t agree with?

(3) Have you ever heard a devote Muslim of any sect say that they don’t or would not follow the Koran’s demand for jihad against their enemies (AKA infidels and unbelievers)?

(4) Have you heard any Muslim cleric issue a fatwā against jihad?

(5) Have you ever heard a Muslim sect denounce the common practice of Islamic faith-based terrorism?

(6) I find it interesting that many on the left are so defensive towards all who follow the Muslim faith, yet so disrespectful, accusatory and intolerant of Christians and Jews. Please explain and help us understand this seeming political hypocrisy by those on the left.

@Ditto

I don’t believe you can have a discussion about the spread (or least the fear of the spread) of Islam without discussing history – as it’s all wrapped up in history. You ask us ‘liberals’ to read the Koran – a historical book many hundreds of years old. Whilst you personally don’t have any responsibility for the creation of Israel, the Crusades etc – you also don’t have responsibilities for those acts committed by Muslims – but yet whilst you are free with your criticism of Islam – you skip over any criticism of western civilisation and Christianity. The ‘wasn’t me Gov’ excuse of course can be used by all muslims for any percieved or real injustice inflicted by other muslims before their time and almost all muslims with current events such as 9/11.

If you are going to put a religion on trial (which as a borderline atheist I’m more happy to do) – then let’s not forget to put other religions on trial with it. Otherwise you are throwing stones in glasshouses. To hear americans criticise muslims for pushing jews out of their historical ‘lands’ is particualry ironic and laughable with their own history. And as an Englishman in Australia – the same applies like most lands. The Romans followed by the Anglo-Saxons pushed the Celts back, who in turn were invaded (partially at least) by the Vikings then the Normans in the history of England. And although the Scots, Irish & Welsh may want to have historical revisionism – the Celts were invaders themselves. And of course Australia – the US of A – was colonised originally by the Brits. And religion like a virus wants to spread by any means possible.

(1) Have you read the Koran? If not, how do you expect to understand Muslims, their religion or society’s system of beliefs?

No – with the spare time I have I prefer non-fiction to fiction. Like at the moment I am reading about Lincoln – which better than reading mumbo-jumbo contradictory dull religious texts. Well put it this way – to understand Italians I don’t believe I need to read the Bible.

(2) Do you deny that devote Muslims believe in and follow the Koran’s teachings? Do you think that they feel free to tell their clerics that the will ignore the words of Koran they don’t agree with?

Yes I do deny that – because it’s impossible to follow the Koran (like the Bible) because it contradicts itself. Instead even fundamentalist have to creative interpret and blatantly ignore sections of the Koran. I don’t think all muslims act the same way – so no doubt like Christians with the Bible and their priests/ministers – I would imagine some muslims do bring up bits of the Koran which troubles them with their clerics and some don’t.

(3) Have you ever heard a devote Muslim of any sect say that they don’t or would not follow the Koran’s demand for jihad against their enemies (AKA infidels and unbelievers)?

I haven’t heard a Muslim say that and I haven’t heard a Muslim say they would either. Muslims don’t tend discuss their plans for jihad with me.

(4) Have you heard any Muslim cleric issue a fatwā against jihad?

It’s been a while since I have been in a Mosque (and that was on a tourist trip in Cairo) and I don’t speak Egyptian – so if there was a cleric in the place issuing fatwa against jihad I would of missed it. I also don’t watch muslim TV – so the only famous fatwa I can think of was the one against Rushdie in 1988. At the time I wrote a piece in my college magazine saying those who supported such a fatwa should be deported from the UK and I did a cartoon of a mad looking Khomeni. Afterwards an African student who was muslim spoke to me as he was annoyed about my use of the word deporting and in hindsight I should of specified deportation for non UK citizens – as you are kind of stuck with your own citizens – whatever colour, creed or religion they are. Maybe have a jihad against fatwas or even a war on terror?

(5) Have you ever heard a Muslim sect denounce the common practice of Islamic faith-based terrorism?

You hear muslims and muslim groups routinely condemn Islamic fundamentalism and terrorism although they understandably get annoyed if the implication is that if they don’t vocally condemn such acts on command and to the level that is expected then they are somehow suspects themselves. And when they do appear in the media etc – I don’t as a habit remember which group or sect they were.

Check out this page.
http://www.muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php

(6) I find it interesting that many on the left are so defensive towards all who follow the Muslim faith, yet so disrespectful, accusatory and intolerant of Christians and Jews. Please explain and help us understand this seeming political hypocrisy by those on the left.

Well I see myself as an old style economic liberal who is not on the left but for all intents and purpose I’m no doubt left of yourself.

Anyhow – I don’t think I’m defensive of the Muslim faith as such – but muslims as people (big difference). And making the distinction between the tiny minority of Islamic terrorists and the rest who are muslims. I don’t have any respect for religions as I think they are myths made up to explain our world at a time when we were unable to do that scientifically as much as we can do today. But even then I don’t have a soft spot particularly for muslims – as I’m being contrary to balance your more one sided view. If I was on a muslim board I would stick up for Americans if I felt comments were negative and fearmongering against Americans or Christians. I am completed opposed to Al Qaeda, the Taliban and Islamic countries where people are stoned to death for such things as adultery. But that is still a world away from the hardworking muslim guy who works down the shop, or the colleague at work etc etc.

So here are my questions for you…

1) Do you believe in God and do you believe the Bible is the word of God and as such should be 100% followed?

2) Do you follow the Bible teachings? If so how do you manage the contradictions between and within the Testaments?

3) Therefore do you believe homosexuals and non-believers deserve death, do you believe Noah’s ark actually happened as described, do you believe God is fair and just when commits genocide?

4) If you believe muslims follow the Koran closely and that the Koran requests that Muslims kill infidels then how come 1.5 or so billion muslims haven’t gone out their way to kill infidels?

@ditto

(6) I find it interesting that many on the left are so defensive towards all who follow the Muslim faith, yet so disrespectful, accusatory and intolerant of Christians and Jews. Please explain and help us understand this seeming political hypocrisy by those on the left.

It’s an unfairly broad brush, as with your implication that all Muslims should be tarred with the brush of the relative handful of Jihadi terrorists. There are many conservative atheists, who often appear on Maher’s show, come to think of it. I’m, personally, very pro-religion, in most of its manifestations (religious people live longer than atheists, although telling someone that you are praying for him/her is more likely to harm than to help — interesting research, but I digress).

And here’s an interesting, relevant consideration:

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2010/1102/Who-saved-the-day-in-Yemen-bomb-plot-Once-again-a-Muslim

P.S. The majority of American Jews are more tribal, in a multicultural sense, than religious. Some of the people most critical of Israeli policies are, in fact, Jews, in both the USA and in Israel.

– Larry Weisenthal/Huntington Beach, CA

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the secret network for further operations of his own making,
WE would need so many more really determine toward peace in this trouble RELIGION.
best to you.

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as we know on some who got caught on it, those are called immigration agent, and they are very active too, they know the minute details, and get very rich and powerfull bying their way onto GOVERNMENT POSITIONS FOR THEIR PROTEGES, WE ALSO JUST HAVE TO LOOK AT THE POPEN BORDER WHERE THAT TRAFFIC IS VERY BUSY INDEED, WHEN IT BECOME SO OBVIOUS
DOES It means that It is too late to stop by any means possible.
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