President Obama in an unbelievable display of arrogance and hyperbole has stated in the New York Times, Magazine, that the new Republican Congress will now be forced to learn to work with him. Obama explains that he will have the Republicans in a position where they will have no choice but to work with him (as if he will train them like dogs):
“either because they didn’t do as well as they anticipated, and so the strategy of just saying no to everything and sitting on the sidelines and throwing bombs didn’t work for them, or they did reasonably well, in which case the American people are going to be looking to them to offer serious proposals and work with me in a serious way.”
The president’s approach to defeat and rejection is at least novel and bold, but a bit lacking in realism; however, reality is a stern task master and the president is about to learn that he must work with the American people instead of relying on his own radical ideology. President Obama obviously has plans of intimidation for congress while pleading to the American people to accept his Socialism and One-Society, Open Borders nonsense, a plan that might have worked with RINOs, but RINOs are fast becoming an endangered species, because of a new Conservative commitment among the American people. Many of whom are planning to make the RHINOs like Graham, extinct in the near future.
The president is now conceding that he might possibly be mortal and that the public expected way too much from him. He also confirmed once again that he should never speak, not even in an interview, without a script and a teleprompter.
“The mythology has emerged somehow that we ran this flawless campaign, I never made a mistake, that we were master communicators, everything worked in lockstep,” Obama is quoted saying. “That’s not how I look at stuff, because I remember what the campaign was like. And it was just as messy and just as difficult. And there were all sorts of moments when our supporters lost hope, and it looked like we weren’t going to win. And we’re going through that same period here.”
A quaint play on words, but little more than desperation from a man facing catastrophic losses, by associating his successful 2008 campaign with the impending disaster looming for 2010. He is flustered by being portrayed as a common tax and spend Democrat: surely the people should realize that he has taken the concept beyond limits never thought possible.
Among the regrets the president said he felt during the 111th Congress is letting Republicans make him out to be “the same old tax-and-spend liberal Democrat.”
Obama said he also realized too late that “there is no such thing as shovel-ready projects,” a familiar refrain made by the president when he was trying to sell the stimulus package.
“There are almost 100 shovel-ready transportation projects already approved,” he said in August 2009. As recently as July of this year, he said, “Shovels will soon be moving earth and trucks will soon be pouring concrete.”
“Right now what I’m hearing from Democrats is the president is only useful for fundraising,” he said.
From his rants a few days ago and the exasperation of Soros with his billions, it is doubtful if the president can even be counted on for raising campaign funds.
The president also feels that he failed to communicate well, he admits his administration took “perverse pride” in being focused on policy at the expense of public relations. He now realizes “you can’t be neglecting of marketing and PR and public opinion”. The president should have included ‘neglecting of telepromptering’ and a script; otherwise his genius or lack of genius becomes all too obvious.
Former White House Secretary under Bush, Ari Fleischer, maintains the message is not the problem.
“I think he’s more out of touch than anybody ever thought if he believes the problems are from marketing and not substance. Cap and trade its not a communication problem it’s a substance problem.”
It is becoming more and more obvious to even the least astute of Americans that a Community Organizer with an Affirmative Action pedigree is hardly qualified to run the country despite his charisma and skin tones; unfortunately, he chose the wrong career path, he could have been an overwhelming success as a judge on American Idol. Audacity and weasel like rationalizations of 20 months in office will hardly be a consoling factor to those Americans that have lost their homes and fortunes to the asinine Socialist Dreams of the Great Pretender in the White House; who wasted valuable time pursing his personal rainbows, when that time should have been spent rebuilding our economy. Now he has the audacity to assume he will have power over the new Republican congress; hopefully, that will be the high water mark of his audacious behavior before he is assigned his well earned spot as an embarrassing foot note of history.
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Working with Republicans….that’s rich.
Guess that’s why he chose to get out of Dodge after the election and run with his tail between his legs overseas.
What a beauty.
My fervent hope is that after election the Democrats will turn on him and demand proof that he is even qualified to be president. Where are his papers? Any of them? What is he hiding?
So what’s happening? Is Obama going to cough up the vault birth certificate? Obama the clown should be removed. Period.
http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2010/09/obama-et-al-file-motion-for-extension.html
Obama may NOT be working with a GOP congress in the fall but with harden criminals in a federal pen. What’s happening?
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The White House is in need of an Exorcist.
That quote is really telling. He is not looking at the November 2nd elections as the American people rejecting his policies. He sees it more along the lines of ‘they just don’t understand’ and ‘they’ll accept it from Republicans when they pass my policies’ instead of Republicans are saying NO because the policies are just BAD FOR THE COUNTRY.
The ego of this man is really unbelievable.
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This guy is actually scary!
The great community organizer has spoken.
Will the mainstream media jump on “shovel-ready projects” with even a fraction of the bilious fervor they showed for G. W. Bush’s “weapons of mass destruction?” Even though the latter was used as justification (in part) for our military actions in Iraq, and one may argue that there’s a chasm of difference between domestic projects and military action, how will Obama’s supporters gloss over his misrepresentations used to justify hundreds of billions of dollars for this bogus “stimulus” spending? Will the media EVER admit that their so-called “Messiah” is nothing more than a false prophet? Methinks not.
The GALL is never ending…..
Don’t you want to just bitch-slap him around ?…..
My uncensored response to barry would be “F— Off, ye sad Tw*t”..
(That’s not an “i”)
Before Obama once again pronounces another absurdity such as, “I won’t sleep until, . . . this, and I won’t sleep until, . . . that,” then goes golfing, he should take a lesson from a more talented president and Harvard graduate, Sebastián Piñera, the Chilean President who moved all bureaucratic mountains out of the way and remained attentive until his countrymen were rescued from the San Jose gold and copper mine.
sitting on the sidelines and throwing bombs
lovely, on one hand he is saying Republicans will need to work with him while with the other he is using language that equates them with terrorist.
Re your quote, Sponge
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It is worse than that.
Obama has tried to set up two straw man fallacies in one sentence!
Neither is anywhere near true!
1..the strategy of just saying no to everything and sitting on the sidelines and throwing bombs …
That was not a ”strategy” of Republicans. Republicans were sidelined BY Obama who told them ”I won.” and refused to work with them! Whenever Republicans all voted against an Obama program so did some, even many of his own fellow Democrats.
2.. offer serious proposals and work with me in a serious way….
Has Obama’s memory completely faded?
Does he not realize the ObamaCare sit down he did with many Republicans was TELEVISED?
We all (who wanted to watch) saw the SERIOUS proposals put forth by the Republicans then,
We also know of many times various Republicans sent him and the Democrat leadership imnput on other bills. But they refused to play ball with Republicans.
Now, Obama has the temerity to say that, if he loses some or a lot of power, Republicans will be forced to work with him!
He has set his standard as to how he ”works” with Republicans.
They probably will not bargain with him.
They probably spend his last two years in office breaking apart/defunding all of his programs that no one read before they passed.
Things sweet to taste prove in digestion sour.
Richard II, 1:3
What’s in a name? That which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet.
Romeo and Juliet, II:2
The Rose was a Bordello behind The Globe Theater, there was much sport there among patrons and actors in those lusty days and it was referred to by the bard many times in his plays.
New dawn arrives…I guess. He’s stepped away from….”the difference between now and 1994 is you have me.” Might not be his exact words, relying on memory.
We’ve had 21 months of arrogance from him. We screamed, wrote letters, signed petitions while he partied, golfed, campaigned and vacationed yet, he’s been on the television, radio and in the news constantly. If anything, he has over marketed, he hasn’t been welcome in my living room for a long, long time. Think any of it has started to sink into that thing between the two big ears?
New poll today, 69% want Obamacare repealed, I think they said 25% wanted more added, 14% undecided. So, forget about the lefties telling us most are opposing Obamacare because they wanted it didn’t go far enough.
Remember, the more we find out about it, the better we would like it? How’s that going? He didn’t listen to us, there are so many “I told you sos” haven’t we all lost count? The stimulus, budgets, healthcare, etc. He didn’t listen, now his party will pay and he’s next.
No sympathy for someone that has damaged my grandchildren’s opportunity for freedom, liberty and the American dream.
This is pretty sad for him to have said this at all. He knows perfectly well that the Republicans tried to work with him. He wouldn’t meet them. He is not dumb. He is hoping that the American people are though. At least hoping that they have a short memory.
However this is not what worries me. More and more as he makes these kinds of statements, I become concerned. These are the kind of statements that I often find coming from teenage boys who are trying to demonstrate bravado, daring the bullies on, trying to pick a fight. More and more he demonstrates this trait. Yes, he has an ego, but I am beginning to wonder if that ego is exaggerated bravado is nothing more than a very seriously troubled juvenile delinquent who just happens to inhabit a mans body. This is what is scariest.
Someone that insecure with so much power can be dangerous.
I guess the voters will have to elect a republican majority to find out any specific details of the republican agenda.
@Greg:
Alternatively, voters can read the information that the Republican party has released.
I cannot help but notice your avoidance of the Voter Fraud thread.
Got tired of getting your arse kicked, eh?
I hope the Republicans throw this back in his face:
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2009/01/23/obama-to-gop-i-won/
Hey obama, the Republicans won. Get over it, shut up, and listen.
@ Aye Chihuahua, #18:
I guess I must have missed the part where they explain in detail exactly which programs they plan to cut, privatize, or entirely eliminate in order to balance the federal budget, while simultanously enacting top-heavy tax cuts that will reduce federal revenues by a further $4 trillion.
Pehaps someone can summarize that part for me simply enough so that I can understand the arithmetic and grasp the logic.
“Look Barry, we’re not campaigning anymore. The election’s over. We won.”
#18
Aye
Touche!
@ Greg, here ya go laddie…
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/10/13/broken-promises-obamacare-tobacco-tax-hike-hits-middle-class-wallets-tax-group/
Now if you can balance a checkbook, simple supermarket math, you can figure out what level of taxation/spending is unsustainable. A Billion $$$ here and a Trillion $$$ there is not mardi gras beads. It is Borrowed money that will not be repaid in my lifetime. It is “other peoples money” and Margaret Thatcher commented years ago on what happens when you run out of OPM. I will not allow clowns that never held a private sector job or had to balance the books to tell me what level of taxation that I need to get comfortable with when any Fool can see that it is the irresponsible spending that got us here.
I provide a product that is in demand, meet payrolls, employ over 30 folks and manage land and livestock that was not a gift from any Gummint Agency. I pay taxes on just about everything and cannot spend more than I bring in. I expect the same prudence for my Elected Gummint Servants. If they cannot be responsible they need replacement by folks that will be fiscally responsible and disciplined because it ain’t Their Money!
Greg, do you remember the term Shovel Ready?? Be interesting to hear you blame Republicans for this one. I’m sure you can come up with someting that a shovel will require to remove.
@ Missy,
“. . . he has over marketed” . . . absolutely agree, with the added caveat that he has daily lied. There’s no other way to describe it. Lying is lying, and lies come out of his mouth in every speech we have been exposed to. Today he is lying to some young minds (students) who probably don’t know any better. The MSM isn’t picking up on it, or is afraid to call him on the lies.
Most politicians can be accused of stretching the truth, and on occasion we even find one pointing a finger and disavowing stains on a blue dress, but the current President seems to lie more than any President I can recall listening to.
Question: do conservatives understand exactly why, since the 1992 election, the Dems have outpolled the GOP presidential candidate four out of the last five elections?
Do conservatives understand why Dems still strongly outnumber GOPers in party identification in tghis country?
Do conservatives understand why college educated voters run from the GOP the way vampires run from sunlight?
Maybe if you cons stopped reading these circle jerk bulletin boards and actually THOUGHT bout the problems facing this country and propose some actual solutions, then you might not lose another election to a Black frost belt liberal with the middle name of a Middle Eastern dictator. Until then, you are doomed to repeat the same electoral failures that you have seemed to have perfected!
And another thing, cons: if you want to take the House, do NOT run candidates who like to dress up as Nazis in their spare time. And if you want to take the Senate, do not run candidates who falsify their resumes by claiming they attended Oxford while simultaneously railing against “elites.”
R-Bob what a moron you are. The reason Democrats poll higher and in fact this year they don’t, is simple. The MSM just doesn’t want to admit they truly failed our country when they did not vet your loser 0-bama and we end up with a President who has no clue how to run a country.
Dude, we WILL take the house because Pelosi and the Democrats are such failures. What a loser you and your liberal idealogues are. Get a grip dude. If your IQ was one less you would be a plant. MORON!!
@James Raider: I think you touched a nerve, couldn’t have been anything I said. 😉
@B-Rob:
brob, you are getting a bit sloppy, a better question is, are you going to remember posting this in the morning? To much wine and not enough brie?
@B-Rob: You said:
First of all, it isn’t like the gap is huge.
Your bad grammar and atrocious spelling aside, the answer to your question is simple. Since FDR and the New Deal, Americans have been spoon fed the nanny state pablum dished out by the far left. When so many are dependent on a bloated, over-sized, soft tyranny masquerading as a Democratic Republic, then they are going to be more loyal to the party that gives them what they crave.
Kind of a, “Don’t bite the hand that feeds you” mentality.
BTW, if you think calling us conservatives “cons” is a put down, then you really are dumber than you look, err type.
But as for your wishing for a battle plan of sorts from those of us on the right. That is easy, too.
Four words, “We win, they lose.” – Ronald Reagan
Another great Reagan quote that really addresses just about any of your posts, B-Rob:
“The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they’re ignorant; it’s just that they know so much that isn’t so.” – Ronald Reagan
@ Greg
I’ll summarize the tax cuts for you….It’s not their money. They didn’t earn it. That money is not currently in consideration, and why should it be? Why should congress get to spend money they “hope” will come in. It’s like my family planning a budget around my hopes of getting a pay raise. Don’t think it’s that simple? It is.
Republicans haven’t proposed any specific cuts? Every week for the past 11 weeks, I have voted on programs I thought should be cut at http://republicanwhip.house.gov/YouCut/
Even if you are a dyed in the wool tax and spend liberal, I would urge you to go to this site every week and take a look. You don’t have to vote if you don’t want to, but you should at least consider some of the programs that are currently being funded that shoud be cut. The republicans have promised to bring a program to the floor every single week, and it will be influenced by the YouCut website.
Next, they should do away with baseline budgeting. It doesn’t work in my house, it doesn’t work in congress either. Also, government agencies should be encouraged to save on their budgets. Do you know why they don’t. If they don’t spend all the money they were given, they will receive less money the following year. How ignorant is that? Hey B-Rob, why don’t you answer that question, you’re all college educated and all? (By the way, maybe your candidates should quit claiming they were in Vietnam).
Aqua, I saved that link you provided. I agree with all of the proposals there. I can think of a few more suggestions. How about all those ridiculous studies that are put out that are funded with taxpayer dollars through grants? Like, the mating habits of eels. Like does a monkey enjoy sex? Like do women prefer men with chest hair? Like does wood have a soul? You get my drift. If someone is so desperate to know the answers to these questions, let them come up with the money to fund their own research.
Taxpayer money should be used for national defense, infrastructure, supporting the government in foreign relations and taxes.
Also a line item veto would help to weed out the pork. Taxpayer dollars should not go to bribe a congressman for their vote. They are already getting paid to do their job. They don’t need additional funds.
Missy — Yeah, I remembered my post. Which is why I checked back to see if you all had any answers to my questions. You didn’t even try to respond; too painful to face the facts, I guess.
Common Sense — lotsa adjectives but no facts in your entire post. I would not think that possible, but you did it! I think this is interesting, though. I asked you cons if you understand why you lost before, but you responded with “Oh, yeah, well you suck and we are gonna win!” I would expect that from my nephew the sixth grader talking about his beloved NE Patriots, but I would expect more . . . oh REASONING from an adult.
Obama “not vetted”? Yeah. Right. Sure. Get serious! America knew what it was getting: a Black male liberal in his mid 40s, top of his class at Harvard Law, taught con law at a Top Five law school, two years in the Senate after almost a decade in a major state senate. Muslim middle name, attended a wacky Christian church in inner city Chicago, used cocaine and marijuana as a teen and college student, one wife (take that, Newt Gingrich) who is a Harvard trained lawyer, two cute kids born in wedlock, wealth from writing two books and no personal debt. You cons tried to argue that he was born in Kenya, or was not a citizen; you tried to claim his father was REALLY Malcolm X or a Communist neighbor of his named Frank something. You called him a Communist, a terrorist, everything but a child of God. And guess what? HE STILL WIPED THE FLOOR WITH YOUR SORRY BUTTS! You have since called him a Communist, a terrorist, a Socialist, a racist, someone trying to ruin America (as the Dow exceeds 11,000), and someone trying to destroy our health care system . . . by covering everyone with insurance . . . ? And guess what? Even with high unemployment and a huge deficit, he is MORE POPULAR THAN REAGAN AND CLINTON were at this point in their first terms. He is more popular than any GOPer out there who would try to oppose him in 2012. And you know what? You cons are REALLY scared about that . . . as you should be.
No, sons, one thing is clear: you wanted no auto industry bailout, but he got it through over you objection. We now have three functioning auto companies and auto workers getting called back from layoffs, exactly the opposite of what would have happened if you cons had had your way. Yeah, it shaved a few points off the unemployment rate . . . which is probably why you cons opposed it, thinking higher unemployment would ruin Obama. You opposed the stimulus plan which, too, kept people working and pumped $500 billion into our economy. Exactly HOW would we have been better off with less money circulating in our economy, cons? Oh, that’s right . . . we wouldn’t be . . . which is why the GOP opposed it: because they WANTED Obama to fail and nothing spells failure like a 13% unemployment rate. You opposed the extension if unemployment benefits — again, how would the economy have been better off? How many people did not apply for food stamps because they got unemployment benefits extended? How many people did not go on Medicare or Medicaid or go uninsured because of the Obama COBRA subsidy to businesses providing benefits to laid off workers?
You cons opposed health care reform. But now the best you cons can come up with is “replace and repeal,” keeping some of the goodies while avoiding the painful parts of any reform — more “free lunch” arguments from the cons. Now you cons want the Bush tax cuts, but REFUSE — flat out refuse — to explain what spending you will reduce to address the resulting deficit.
When it comes to governing, you cons have proven that you are unserious. You are not even ideologically consistent, claiming you are the party of “personal responsibility” in one breath, then voting for higher deficits through tax cuts and “sacred cow” spending. You want the mandate that insurance companies cover young adults and have no pre-existing condition bars, but you want to repeal the “everyone gets covered” mandate that makes in financially viable for insurers AND means hospitals will not have to swollow any more uncompensated health care. More “You, too, can have a free lunch” pablum for the frustrated masses.
Lastly, on party affiliation, Rasmussen’s pre-cooked numbers have it at 35% Dem to 33% GOPer. Like I said — more Dems than GOPers in the United States. Which means, if you think about it, people who chose to have a party more often choose the Dems not the GOP. Your “explanation”, while very smug and self-important, doesn’t make much sense. Billionaires, who don’t need any government handouts from anyone, voted Dem not GOPer, as do doctors, college educated women by a mile, college educated men by a smidge, etc.
I notice you did not even try to address the skewing among educated voters, or why Dems keep out-polling the GOP in presidential elections. Cat got your tongue?
This is in Ebony/Jet Magazine this month.
It is an excellent short read.
From a cached page link…..
The Browning of the GOP
The times they are a-changin!
@BRob
No surprise that you are back pimping the liberals and progressives here.
The auto-bailouts? Conservatives were opposed to them because of the outrageous amount of funds directed to the UAW. Do you not remember that the bankruptcy went through anyway, even after liberals claimed GM wouldn’t if they got the money? Do you not remember the payoffs to the UAW, ahead of the private investors(some who lost damn near everything they invested), that wouldn’t have happened if GM went through the normal bankruptcy channels? But I suppose to you, the ends justify the means, and damn those rights of anyone who isn’t a hard-core liberal supporter.
Conservatives dislike everything about liberals and progressives because they step on the rights, guaranteed by the Constitution, of those who get in their way. You and your back-stabbing buddies in the Democrat party are only out for number one, in this case, the liberal and progressive ideologies, and our Constitution is not even an afterthought in your zeal to get what you want. We aren’t a Utopia, and I hope we never get there, because if we do, it will be the worst stamping out of individual rights since Stalin came to power.
johngalt — I ask again: how would American have been better off with a few million unemployed auto workers, auto mobile suppliers, etc.? Why would that have been better for this country in the midst of a hard, prolonged recession?
NO ONE said that the companies would not go bankrupt; that was part of the plan all alnog, including closing some plants and reducing capacity. The question was whether the companies could get any funds for continuing operations, or whether it would be shuttered, throwing the workers onto the unemployment lines, with no health insurance for them or their families, to be joined by the employees of the auto suppliers who would follow them into the dustheap.
I won’t even get into the fact that the bailout was A BUSH IDEA, which Obama only steered through.
You mention the investors being wiped out. Too bad, so sad that Cerebus got punked. That happens in every bankruptcy. But let me ask you a question: why is it that cons cry tears for the bond holders but never even think about the ripple effects of letting two large firms go into bankruptcy with no funding shored up, throwing probably millions more onto the unemployment line in the middle of a then-two year old recession? What do you think the impact would have been– of permanent layoffs reducing state tax coffers, as tax revenues drop and social service demands increase? And since you cons also opposed the part of the stimulus package that aided the states, what do you think would have happened to the states if you had your way?
Another thing — it must really frost you guys to see GM doing so well, especially since your side voted and campaigned against its existence. No, if you had your way, they probably would have been gone.
You anti-union blast is simply silly. The union represents the employees, the retirees and their contracts. If the union does not represent the employees, the retirees and their need for health benefits, who do you think would have been on the hook? Yep, the states . . . because unemployed 45 year old autoworkers will not be on COBRA for very long, =nor would they have an easy time finding work during a two-year long recession. Somehow that fact never seems to enter your calculus of what “should” have been done.
You cons opposed the COBRA subsidy, too. THAT one really slays me. The program took employer tax withholding payments and immediately shuffled them back to the laid off employees’ insurers, thereby dropping the employees’ COBRA expenses by 65%. Sure, it robbed the treasury of money; but it was a very efficient way to keep employees on private insurance and off Medicare/Medicaid. The opposion . . . what was your rationale again?
Look, I get it: you guys think that if something hurts Obama, it helps you. You were gambling that you could oppose Obama’s stimulus and auto bailout, drive unemployment up to about 15% and have it stay there. That would ensure that Obama would lose in 2012, even if it required an additional few million people to remain unemployed, not paying taxes, drawing on state welfare benefits, etc. Luckily, the Dems had enough backbone to run over your nihilistic opposition. They may pay a short term price in 2010 (maybe), but in the long run it was the smart thing to do. And deep down inside, I think you guys know you were wrong . . . .
You will be left in 2012 to argue the same thing you argued in 1996 — “Things would have been even better if we had done it our way.” How’d that election work out for you cons?
Aqua — Hmm . . . one Dem claimed he “served in Vietnam” when he served in the Marines, but in the states. Luckily, he did not claim he went to Oxford and didn’t (like Christine O’Donnell), or claim he was an undercover police spy, like the GOP governor candidate in Colorado (he wasn’t), or claim he received all sortsa medals in the military like Kirk, the GOPer candidate for Senate in Illinois (he didn’t). Hell, maybe the key to Dem success is to dress up like a Nazi soldier in your free time! In other words, Aqua, I would stay away from tossing stones when you live in a glass house.
Aqua, are you in Congress? Because you say “I proposed tax cuts” as if that . . . you know, mattered, or something. Aqua, I am talking about the House and Senate GOpers and their candidates. To a person they want to extend the Bush tax cuts, but REFUSE to address how that would balloon the deficit by another $700 billion. Now here is what’s interesting: $700 stimulus? GOPers say “Too expensive, will balloon the deficit.” But $700 billion in tax cuts not ofset by spending cuts? Not a word from cons about the deficit. And given that the GOPers punked out on having deficit reduction commission after PROPOSING THE COMMISSION THEMSELVES, seems to me that, in fact, you really don’t care about deficits at all. That, of course, plays into Obama’s hands:
My prediction: the deficit reduction commission will not come up with a final report because GOPers will bail on it. But the remaining members, led by Alan Simpson, will come up with a deal that Obama will campaign on in 2012. GOPers will be against deficit reduction and the Dems will be for it. And the second Obama term will be ensured.
B-Rob, I sense a lot of generalizations and hostility from your posts. A lot. We are not going to argue that some of our policies are going to hurt in the short run. They are, and they do. However it is the long run that concerns us. You can’t sustain an economy when you have taxes and regulations at a level that drives away business and discourage others from investing in us.
I was opposed to the bailout for this simple reason. You don’t rescue failure. GM was in trouble because they were failing. Part of life is failure. We take risks in life. That is part of our system. And besides which companies should be bailed out? Why are some companies bailed out while others are left to fail? Why certain banks and not others? If you are an employee and you are working for a company that you know is in trouble, and they are getting ready to lay people off, do you stay and hope to wait it out or do you start putting in your applications right away and start looking for alternatives? Many of these employees knew that GM was in trouble? How did they know. Because they had been getting furloughs and let go periodically for the last two years prior to the crisis. I know many GM employees who were let go for a couple of weeks and then called back. Why didn’t they look for other employment while they were getting paid and were getting laid off. This had been going on for a long time. Its not like these employees had it sprung on them. Where was their responsibility in this?
Now as to why Democrats outpoll Republicans? There are so many reasons for that. It depends on who you are talking to. Some people vote Democrat because they have always voted Democrats. Some vote because they are concerned about social justice. Some women vote because of abortion. Some college educated people vote because they are liberal and looking for security.
I am conservative, college educated woman. I was liberal on a lot of things when I was younger, but life experiences have changed my mind. I am now conservative.
I am not a social researcher. Some people are democrats because all of their friends are democrat, or that is all they knew. Who knows? Does it matter? THis is not a popularity contest. You vote because of principles and because of what you believe is what is right for the country. You don’t vote because the person is a woman, or because the person is your best friend, or because he likes the same music you do. You vote because you try to look for what they stand for and look at the long term results of their decisions.
Do I want Obama to look bad? Not really. Because by looking bad, he makes America look bad. He doesn’t need Republicans or conservatives to make him look bad. He is doing that all by himself.
It’s sad to see so much evidence of “misunderstanding.” Not that conservatives have the market cornered on understanding business or economics, but when Obama supporters make attempt to swim in such waters, they all seem to have no clothes, . . . not just the emperor.
For example, when someone points to the Dow being at 11,000 as a sign about the state of America’s health, that’s about as far as you need to read. The market is a game unto itself, with players of different sizes each trying to read what the bigger fish intents on doing next. It is a game controlled by the biggest of killer whales, who manage trillion dollar offshore internationally based funds and trusts. If you control a 1 billion dollar fund, or a 10 billion dollar fund, you’re a fish doing your best to figure out what the big money is doing, and what it’s next move will be. And the killer whales are ruthless, but they are not stupid. They believe in self preservation, and they’re good at it, and will manipulate whatever and whoever they can to succeed, . . . like anyone else breathing oxygen. Analyze your historical real intra day volumes over the past decade, for example, and check what happened to those volumes, just before major, major turns in the prices (just as example, . . . really). Each stock is played with and “managed” whether it’s Microsoft or Apple. It’s a joke on the Street that there are laws against insider trading. Market makers don’t make moves without inside information. Occasionally a sacrificial lamb like poor Martha, needs to be used to keep the eyes away from reality created by the likes of a Goldman Sachs who are on the front lines of the game.
Pretence that bailouts such as that of GM are or were a good move by claiming that jobs were saved is pathetic. The productive plants and employees would have survived through a bankruptcy, even if under different owners who would have picked up the potentially profitable, or otherwise viable, peaces. The bailout and how it was handled was complete corruption of the system, by corrupted individuals, and decisions (like what dealers to keep for example) were made by this administration based on ideological, political lines and affiliations. But the Unions are happy, since they now control GM. Evidently some voters are happy with the fact that the individuals (thugs) who run the unions have been given even more influence over the American landscape. Well done.
Small to medium sized businesses are a key to a national economic recovery. Everything possible should be done to stimulate their growth. Bureaucracy stifling them should be eased, and their taxes should be reduced. Give them oxygen. Then while you’re at it, eliminate corporate funding of political campaigns and put limits on all funding, . . . and then, outlaw lobbyists. Any Congressional member caught receiving ANY money from any organization, particularly one guaranteed by taxpayers like AIG, goes to jail, and the key is thrown away.
Now you have a chance at cleaning up the mess.
The California example is exactly what you want to avoid.
BRob, you are wrong on so many fronts, it’s hard to know where to start.
One, no one WANTS Obama to fail. He’s doing that all by himself. He championed the stimulus to keep unemployment down. It has not. What’s more, the uncertainty of the future and tax hikes has caused many investors to keep their money at home.
Two, the bankruptcy paybacks went against what the normal is. You say too bad for those investors, yet, the forcing of GM to give the UAW money over those investors, all imposed by Obama’s admin, went against current bankruptcy law and precedent. The Obama admin came in and stepped on the rights of those investors. Is it any wonder no one wants to really invest in this Obama economy?
Three, as JR talks about above, if you think that the Fed bailing out GM is what prevented a catastrophe, then you are drinking the liberal koolaid way too much. GM would have survived, in one form or another, or many forms, without the “help”.
I don’t know that I’d say GM, or even Chrysler, is successful at this point. GM, for example, “paid back” the bailout money with other funds it received from the government, all while trying to be clever and portray itself as profitable. The future will tell how profitable it is. Ford, on the other hand, received no federal funds, yet is doing much better. Care to explain that? A list of the best selling vehicles in the US is populated mostly by Ford and the ‘Imports’.
Words words words but look at reality R-Bob. Your boy spent billions and no jobs. Remember shovel ready?? Remember what he said the unempoloyment rate would be if nothing was done. Hint, it’s lower than what it is now. It is a fact that your boy lied to America on both points. I would hope you would admit this fact is true. I’m not going to hold my breath though.
All your whining doesn’t change these facts!!
@B-Rob: You said:
* “top of his class at Harvard Law” – Where are his college records and transcripts to prove this??
* “taught con law at a Top Five law school” – Wrong, he was a “senior lecturer” as per the University of Chicago Law School. He was not a professor and did not teach, he lectured. This was a spot that he wrangled to flesh out his weak resume.
* “two years in the Senate after almost a decade in a major state senate” – Yes, he voted to raise THREE HUNDRED taxes on businesses in Illinois and vote “present” 130 times. Did the MSM cover this BEFORE the election? Nope. The National Review and NPR both rated him as the most liberal senator in 2007.
* “wealth from writing two books and no personal debt” – There is serious discussion as to whether he actually wrote those books. His performances when he is off teleprompter lend credibility to this idea that he had a ghost writer. Most suspect it was Bill Ayers, the unrepentant terrorist and member of the Weather Underground. Here is a sample of Obama’s writing prowess, from his days at Occidental College:
Under water grottos, caverns
Filled with apes
That eat figs.
Stepping on the figs
That the apes
Eat, they crunch.
The apes howl, bare
Their fangs, dance . . .
If this is any indication of his college years, I can understand why he has spent so much money keeping those college records out of the public eye.
As to his not having any debt, it is odd that his financial transactions with Tony Rezko have also been kept under wraps. Funny how a senior lecturer and community organizer could afford the home he purchased in Chicago for $1.65 million.
No B-Rob, you can laud Obama all you want. You may also try to insult us conservatives all you want, but in the end the proof is in the pudding. Obama has spent more money than any other US President and he has NOTHING to show for it.
@ B-Rob
I thought you were college educated, now I’m not even sure you know how to read. Read my post again, slowly. You can move your lips if you need to. Where did I say this:
My question to you was:
BTW:
Lott, the guy you say dressed as a Nazi has participated in military re-enactments since college and it is a “hobby” he enjoys with his son.
Also – every single City of Bell Politician…..democrats. Why? Cause they want to help people by helping themselves. We can toss stones all day long and break glass on both sides. John Kerry wrote up his own medals.
Away from the economic front, . . . isn’t it baffling that many continue to support a President that was supposed to become a post partisan leader, but in fact has become the most divisive of any President ever installed in the White House?
There should be much more push-back from the MSM on his constant play of the race card. The Oval Office should be given more respect by its resident.
Oh my… been away for a while, and only fitting that my envelope of political discourse on FA also heralds the return of Billy Bob. 😯
Right… I am poignantly reminded of Bob Schieffer and Axelrod INRE the desperately false and unsubstantiated Alinsky charges against the US Chamber of Commerce.
So, Billy Bob… is that the best you can do? Throw out vague assumptions and wait for us to prove your absurd charges as… well… absurd?
Let’s recap, shall we? Let’s appease your litigation-oriented butt, and figure out if you actually recognize evidence of your vagaries.
#1: You may wish to play the polls games, Billy Bob. But I’ll take electoral results over polls anyday… the quintessential “poll”. So in the last five POTUS elections, the nation elected one Dem POTUS twice, one GOP POTUS twice, and “da won” last. So I’d say that makes it 3-2 (i.e three Dem victories, two GOP victories). And oh, BTW, no overwhelming support with Obama’s win. Clinton won with less than a majority of the nation (BOTH times).
What’s your point? Or are you math challenged?
Also, I might remind you there have been midterms in between all of those, the majority of which were results that left the GOP in power…
….. until 2006 midterms, of course. The pretty picture of that result? Spending between Pelosi/Reid/Obama as referenced to the GDP is beyond obscene. I’m going to assume you do better with pictures than text…
So much for “outpolled” vs election realities
#2: Dems have always outnumbered the GOP in registered party membership. THe key has never been Dem vs GOP. It lies with the Indy’s who swing to either party in a moment’s time with candidates.
Again, I ask what’s your point? Or are you still math challenged? Your beloved party members can’t live without the Indys no more than the GOP can. And oh, BTW… registered party members do not always vote their party. Revelation
#3: “…college educated voters run from the GOP the way vampires run from sunlight?”
I see you remain the arrogant, pompous racial ass, Billy Bob. Do we derive from that that only Dem voters have a college education? Gee… what happened to the “party of the working man” mantra, dude?
Guess it upsets you that, as of 2005, the GOP was making gains amongst the working populace. (except for the unions, in the Dems pocket, of course)
Or maybe it upsets you that only 23% of those non-existent, college educated GOPers buys into your AGW theories?
Or perhaps it upsets you that the only reason “da won” actually won was because of the high turnout of minorities? Oh yes… I’m sure all of those minorities are college grads… every one of ’em. 🙄
As far as you attacking campaign claims of the GOP, and holding your own partisan candidates as morally superior.. you may want to ask yourself as to why your hero, Obama, issued talking point orders to avoid their legislative “accomplishments”, and focus on rallying the base by fear tactics of GOP power instead. Whatsamatter… not so proud of what you’ve “accomplished”?
Welcome back… we’ve missed having a progressive pinata around to poke at, Billy Bob. Could you send on one of Obama’s more competent minions now?
MATA: you sure know your stuff, better than anyone. hey too bad you don’t get in POLITIC,
AMERICA need an TOP of the group like you. and no compliment meant, just the truth on facts.
bye
anticsrocks: hi, good to see you looking like a warrior that you are at FA, handelling,
any comments, like PRESIDENT BUSH had said before” bring it on”
BYE
@ MataHarley, back in CONUS and you are back at FA in time to take Billy Bob to the woodshed!
HOORAH! So the over educated and under achieving Elite Pogue came back to offer his drivel and repeat some very tired a$$ed talking points?
OK, I am very Independent and very intolerant of educated fools that view the world from pink shaded spectacles, tout their education as something useful but read their points from the little red book and thumb their noses at folks that do not subscribe to the Obama Doctrine of destroying the economy, treating Career Military folks like errand boys and never worked, I mean labored a day in their lives. Do I trust my Current Regime, hell no. Do I trust the Current Congress or non-vetted but appointed fools that Over Regulate Industry, Business, want to Nationalize Banks, the Energy Sector and do not know squat about any of it. Those Academic Weasels and Public Sector Parasites that meddle with everything that they do not understand, contributing to the demise of Capitalism/Free Enterprise and exhibit Fascist/Racist/Marxist insinuations or intimidation techniques in conducting their dirty work.
This one has been circulating around but bears repetition:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXl2GwCHlAI
Lets change the Leadership in Congress, lets send genuine Patriots and Leaders to Congress,
lets challenge the ignorance and arrogance of Incumbency and restore the Republic before my Daughter graduates from the Air Force Academy and ends up flying blimps because We can’t afford to build the finest Fighter Aircraft in the World. Lets send these Buffoons that have overspent on “Transformation and Socialism” to pasture or try them for betraying the Public Trust, Ethics Violations and restore Humility and Honor to Public Service.
I am an Independent and not politically aligned with any Party but demand Accountability and Responsibility of those sent to DC to Serve the Nation. They work for Me and You. Not the other way around. I cannot reward incompetence with another term of office and America deserves better. The US Treasury is not anyone’s damn ATM for Programs that have failed or a Judicial System that has failed to function, Legislators that never read the Bills or a Wartime POTUS that sends America’s Second Generation to a War that he has no intent to fight to win but makes Political Decisions instead of Strategic ones. I spoke my piece and let the rock throwing begin.
Don’t throw any Truther or Birther manure unless you want to be embarrassed here. I can throw a cow pie with accuracy and take you to the outhouse and buy your lunch. I have had enough of this nonsense and Our Allies have too. I’m tired of Career Politicians pissing on my boots and telling me that it is raining.
OLD TROOPER 2: thank you.
OT, my friend. Nice to interface on FA again, guy.
I really had to laugh at that mantra of federal agency/entrepreneur failures. The only one I would question is that USPO. They were actually the only profitable agency until a couple of years ago. Probably due to the advent of the internet communications that replace snail mail, and the ability to pay bills online. Then add the increase of the existing fleet, and increased fuel costs to service those not utilizing the internet. They’re not carrying as much to make the base nut.
Since Billy Bob has been so prolific in his tirades here, I had to address a few separately from his first, so called “unanswered”, challenge to his initial vagaries. So let’s address a few more, shall we?
Oh my… taking some of this personally, Billy Bob? Does “da won” know you carry such an identity crisis crush?
Yes, many of us knew exactly what we were getting. I agree. Obama was vetted thoroughly. Not by the MSM, mind you, but by the blogworld doing the due diligence that the fawning MSM would not.
But then the voters hear what they want to hear. The visual of soaring rhetoric in front of styrofoam columns, promising the pretty world to everyone? But of course many will bite. Those that are less educated to socialism and it’s fiscal repercussions, that is.
During the 2008 election, I harbored many thoughts that conservatives would have beat me over the head for had they known…. that the most healthy thing for this nation was for Obama to win. (yes, I still held my nose and voted for McCain) Why? Because he’s an obvious Euro-socialist Marxist. His answer to everything is government control and government spending. From where we were after a housing crash, that catapulted into the predictable banking crash, that has been in the making since the mid 90s, either candidate was going to inherit a mess.
But one thing was certain… the nation’s voters weren’t sure if they wanted “Europe”, or the traditional, Constitutional America as envisioned by the Founders and Framers. That “grass is greener” bit holds true for many reasons… had a GOP POTUS taken over, and managed to slow the inevitable, we would still suffer the same national inner strife.
My theory? If – after repeated warnings – the kid needs to grab the hot stove, or stick his finger into the electrical socket to figure out it’s not all that, let ’em stick their finger in the socket, or touch the hot stove. Reality is the inarguable cure all.
You and chumps have had 20 months to prove that your glorified paralegal could not only NOT manage a crisis, but could manage to amplify it to a near (hopefully) irreversible course, Billy Bob. And this midterms, all your pat little statistics from the past are coming back to bite you.
For me? This midterms is the same test… is this a nation so entrenched in Ayer’s “social justice” curriculum that it craves the mediocrity and failure of socialism? So far I’m rewarded with a sound “no”. Hopefully November will put that notion to rest…. no socialism here… despite you and comrades concerted attempts.
Obama “taught” law? I think that one caught my eye as the most humorous, and perhaps the most telling statement of your own demonstrated capabilities. The universities had a “constitutional lawyer as instructor”, who had as his resume one trial as lead attorney, and a glorified paralegal in the rest of his legal practice? This is what is teaching our lawyers these days, which is what makes most of you “pros” pretty much the entertaining pinatas for we more interested lay types. Even more frightening, Michelle is probably more qualified than her hubby.
But the minorities high turn out and independent sway to an Obama win is not as simple as you prefer to believe. There was no way the GOP was likely to win with McCain as the candidate. And he was probably a good throwaway for many reasons. First of all, he’s not going to run again (thank heavens….). Secondly, you could have run a sponge against McCain and still won the 2008 POTUS election. And it had nothing to do with the lib/prog candidate. It had to do with punishing the GOP for their past failures.
As to your analyses of the economics. ‘scuse me..
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
Okay, got that out of my system.
The “bailout” you blame on Bush was.. yes… started by Bush and Paulson – against most conservative wishes. In fact, against most of bi-partisan American citizen wishes. However that $350 bill spent out of the $780, plus the ARRA, plus the illegal use of TARP funds for seizing control of auto industries (they don’t fit the TARP financial institution definition) is all on you and your buds, bubba. You took a bad idea, and tripled it… and now you need to eat fruits of your rotten harvest.
GM is not doing well. (compared it to the rest of the auto industry, or just looking for a plus sign?) In fact, it’s an unfinished canvas for your expected Picasso result. But let’s just say that the Chinese thank you lib/prog/socialists mightily… since they will be taking over the battery building, and only the Chinese can afford the VOLT… IF it’s built in Chinese factories with cheap Chinese labor. As for the US? Gee…. GM announced it’s re’rolling out it’s SUV line because of poor domestic reception. Not to mention, who can spend $37K after rebates and govenment tax credits for a turd only fit for urban use, and not even pleasant to drive?
Oh yeah… figured out how the battery disposal will fit with your AGW theories yet? How about all that cost for little VOLT outlets everywhere… both building and the energy drain?
Guess your hero will have to do more to force the US into a commodity they don’t want, eh? But he’d better do it quick. He’s losing his back up band in Congress very soon. And it appears even what he thought was an armaggedon godsend with the Gulfl oil spill didn’t fit his plans well either.
As far as health care… that remains the clusterf*#k. The Dems got it wrong 95%. The GOP still didn’t get it either. What I do know is that the existing piece of crap needs to go away, and that reimplementation of policies must be focused on what the real problems of health costs are… the runaway costs of administering even a simple tetanus shot, and the quest for overtreatment driving up costs.
Price fixing health insurance premiums do not affect the overhead costs of medical providers. And until smarter things are done about bulk buying, pharma patents and competition, the cost of administering health care remains high. And no amount of schlebs you add to the premium rolls will stop the accelerating costs. You will simply run out of schlebs to pay the bills, or try and tap them for more cash.
Can you say blood from turnip? Because O’economics projects us on long term unemployment, lower salaries, and less business incentive. That all means loss of tax revenue.
But I will say, the GOP will also need to be noodged into reality.. because they too are clueless. Even with the tea partiers making their bids.
This last retort is in reference to your notion that conservatives (or GOP… there is a difference) seize on anything to make Obama look bad. Yes… I agree. And it’s about time. And boyo.. there is no lack of material to utilize.
Mind you, I find the piddly horse manure stuff annoying and counter productive… feet on desk, parsing speeches, constant attacks of racism when they aren’t, Muslim or non Muslim, birthers, and desperate stretches of real events. But there is also ample stuff to accurately portray Obama as exactly what he is.
You see, you progs aren’t the only ones who have learned the Alinsky game. Decade after decade we conservatives have watched the masters at fear and disinformation campaigns, yet still told ourselves that taking the high road was the way to go.
You now have a run for your money. We’ve figured out that sometimes not all voters have the time to be fully informed, but they can be swayed by creative synopsis. We thank you for that lesson. And it’s even easier when “the economy, stupid” argument is going exactly opposite the way of your promises and mischaracterizations by you and your lib/prog econo-heads.
So if you intend to take the high road with us, you’d better start erasing decades of archival facts. Otherwise, we thank you for the opportunity to let you show your true colors the past 20 months, and making it easier for us to try and return the nation to it’s founding roots.
Ta ta, Billy Bob. If you need a one way ticket to Venezuela, do let us know. I’m sure we can put together a charity pool to get you the one way ticket you’ll need… economy class, of course.