Alvin Greene, South Carolina’s Democrat nominee has the state’s Democrat Elite baffled as to how and why the unknown candidate won by over 100,000 votes and won in 42 of the state’s 46 counties over Vic Rawls a Charleston Attorney and the choice of the Democrat Party Elites.
Greene, a 32-year-old unemployed military veteran who did little if any campaigning but easily beat a far better-funded primary opponent, faces a felony obscenity charge. That charge alleges Greene showed a University of South Carolina student pornography in a computer lab and suggested they go to her room.
Alvin Greene, the people’s choice for the Democratic Senate nominee for South Carolina is being challenged by party Elites who would have rather had their own choice receive the nomination. State Representative Todd Rutherford expressed concerns over Mr. Greene’s intellectual capacity. Rutherford, who is apparently not an erudite scholar, commented:
About two questions into a conversation with him, it would become apparent that he is not probably fit to answer the questions befitting a Senate candidate. If he was put into this, then it is a joke that is funny to all the rest of us, but he doesn’t get it — because I don’t know that his mental status is such that he can get it.
Of course, Mr Rutherford’s summation, along with the performance of many Democrats, leaves the public wondering why the Democrat Elites feel qualified to pass such a judgement.
Jim Clyburn, House Majority Whip, claims Greene is a plant:
I never said he was a Republican plant. I said he was someone’s plant. … I saw the patterns in this. I know a Democratic pattern, I know a Republican pattern and I saw in the Democratic primary elephant dung all over the place
Although Jim’s statement is ambiguous, misleading, and confusing, the public is wondering what all the fuss is about when Democrats installed Pelosi as House Speaker.
Rutherford along with many Democrat loyalists are claiming that the public didn’t know who they were voting for; yet unsurprisingly, he has voiced no concerns over the election of an untested, inexperienced, unknown candidate for the presidency.
The issue of a $10,400 filing fee has become an issue with the party elite, Greene has been unemployed; however, the sources of Obama’s campaign funds didn’t trouble the Democrat Elites.
Blacks are perplexed and wonder why Sharpton and Jackson aren’t rushing to support a Black Man who won an election fairly and is now subject to discrimination by Democrat Elites.
Rutherford also complained that Mr. Greene wasn’t like other candidates:
“My conversation with him was not with someone who is all about politics, has an agenda, and wants his 15 minutes of fame. He would’ve been just fine sitting in his house, which he apparently did the entire campaign. I don’t think he ever left his house
Again the issue of a State Senator who votes ‘present’ repeatedly or has no documentation to support ludicrous claims doesn’t appear to trouble the Democrat Elite as long as the people vote for the correct choice; as a matter of fact, Democrat Elite seem to steadfastly insist that the Democrat electorate can vote for anyone as long as that person is the Party’s Choice.
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This story tickles me to no end. 😆
The democrats don’t get it. Yes the voters didn’t know who they were voting for. However that was not the issue in this primary. The voters were sending a loud message as to “who they were NOT voting for”. That is the message. The primary democrat voters said this. “We would rather vote for the first name in a telephone book rather than vote for the usual lawyers and bullshitters who show up on the ballot box”
As to why Washington is all in an uproar about this. He should fit in. Present is an actual vote now and with his felony charge and his work experience, he should be making friends all over the place. There will be plenty of lawmakers who will happily be willing to look at his porn collection. 😆
@Tammy
VERY good point. The polls show that the vast majority of Americans believe that a randomly selected group of people would do a better job than the now sitting Congress.
Could Mr. Greene have tapped into this?
Alvin Greene … Alvin and the
chipmonksDemocrats 😆I don’t know why the Democrats don’t want Alvin …he’s the perfect Greenie, low budget, low carbon footprint candidate and an underdog 😆
Maybe Alvin Greene was so low key’Team Obama’ couldn’t find him to offer him a job not to run 😆
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Aside from all the “how can you tell the difference…” jokes that this situation conjures up–a passive schizy guy like this might be as competent as the Resident, with the right staff… I can’t understand why Clyburn is down on him. 🙂 It isn’t like the other Dem had a chance either, and now Clyburn is saying a brother is a Republican. Clyburn should watch out how he undermines identity politics.
Now all jokes aside, there is a serious challenge facing the Republicans with this guy. I know it sounds crazy but I am thinking this. If the voters are tired of the condescending attitudes of congress, the Republicans will have to be very careful on how they run against him if he ends up remaining the Democratic senate candidate. They won’t want to come across as snobby. This Alvin guy will be the underdog. He is identifiable with people, and it may hurt the Republicans to attack him harshly. I think that they should focus on the issues. A debate will be in order, but absolutely no character attacks against this man. That is my opinion as of now. If the democrats have no choice but to accept him, they will get behind him and it might get ugly. I believe Obama carried the state. So don’t rule him out. This will be one tricky campaign for the public. He is percieved as one of us, the ordinary folks.
Hey, the guy’s a Democrat. Democrats have lowered the bar for pretty much everything in this country and this is merely the consequence.
One need know nothing other than how to promise to give away someone else’s money.
That ALL a Democrat needs to know. It’s all they ever do. It’s all they ever promise.
I’d never attack Alvin’s character. He seems mentally challenged but that isn’t a character issue. Of course, he could be terminally stoned or an excellent actor, but I’m willing to give him a chance for now. The reprehensible parties are the ones that would set such an innocent up to be attacked.
There’s something about the Alvin Greene story that we all should be worried about.
Nobody trusts the d-mn electronic voting machines. That’s not a partisan issue. From everything I’ve read and heard, nobody should.
It isn’t just that democrats don’t know who this guy is. Nobody seems to know. So, how did he get the votes?
@Greg: He won by 100,000 votes. He got over 50% of the vote. And he carried the majority of counties. Not that many electronic voting machines are bad. So I can’t say that I agree with you. But I too am worried as to how he got the money. My bets are that this was some kind of sick joke and paid for him to go on the ballot box. A bunch of people got together and tried some kind of experiment. Maybe I am grasping at straws. This being a plant is illogical. No one pays that kind of money and then just doesn’t do anything. There was no campaigning. This guy just sat in the basement and did nothing. A guy like that may siphon off a few votes by logic but not enough to win. I think that this is some kind of collective public movement, an act of God perhaps trying to get the last laugh. I know, I know but this doesn’t make any sense otherwise.
“Not that many electronic voting machines are bad.”
The whole electronic system, anywhere from the individual machine to electronically collecting their totals, is vulnerable. I’m pretty sure that if some kid can hack the Pentagon system, somebody can hack an electronic voting system. And with no paper trail we can’t even figure out if we’ve had a rigged election. National elections could become no more real that reality television.
Maybe Alvin Greene was a bad choice by someone who wanted to test what could be done. Or maybe it was done by some right-thinking American who wanted to blow the lid off the vulnerability before it was too late. Whatever is was, it’s scary.
Incompetent, inarticulate, no track record, and black. The PERFECT democrat candidate. Now, if it can only be discovered that he hasn’t paid taxes in oh….say……five years or so, or entered into a few shady real estate deals he’d be a shoo in……..
Democrat leadership seems to be questioning his integrity. Maybe he has too much?
Seems Mr. Greene would have no problems communicating on a even basis with such Democrat luminaries as Biden, Pelosi and, sadly, not in a class of her own, Maxine Waters.
He might have to keep it really simple for Joe.
Electronic Voting Machines = hanging chads = Bush’s Fault.
I get it.
No, Electronic Voting Machines = Nobody Really Knows Where the Totals Came From, and There’s No Way to Go Back and Find Out.
Comfortable with that?
I thought it was the democraps who said that every vote is sacred and that every vote must count. It hasn’t stopped since the 2000 election. And now they’re whining and bitching about the results of their own election?
Hollywood couldn’t make a better, funnier spoof.
Greg,
No, I liked my original thought.
Sorry.
Thank you, for insightful and humorous commentary, my friends; however, if the voting machines malfunctioned or were hacked, how come it is only a problem in Greene’s race?
I think Greene could prove to be a worthy adversary for Demint: don’t sell the people of South Carolina short, Maxine Waters sees Fidel Castro as a great visionary and a Socialist hero and will probably be reelected as a representative from California, supposedly a cosmopolitan state.
Obama can identify only with a small demographic and that becomes more dubious with time, because of his lack of documentation and an inability to speak coherently without a teleprompter; Greene is no phony, what you see is what you get, like Maxine Waters, there are no allusions or illusions.
The public has grown tired of fraudulent representation, primarily or precisely because of the fraudulent pretense that occupies the White House.
Thus the Dems are probably increasing the chances of Greene by making him a ‘cult’ hero in this new age of rejection of the polished persona of Obama, an image that can hardly be considered real or reliable.
Again, the Elite Dems are proving themselves to be poor politicians: Green could prove to be a reliable vote in Washington and will likely be less of an embarrassment than Pelosi, Boxer, Waters, Dodd, and Frank. Yet, they did not pick the winner for the public, this represents the most troubling aspect of the situation. Dems prefer to control the primary elections to avoid this type of result; unfortunately, the Democrat electorate has spoken, the Elite Dems had better try listening.
‘how did he get the votes?’
I don’t know enough about last names to say for sure, but I would think that Alvin Greene is a ‘black name’ and Vic Rawls is a ‘white name’. When they guy who actually campaigned (Vic) has 4% name recognition, more or less the same as Alvin, then I expect that would be a deciding factor for some voters (and half of SC-Dem primary voters, roughly, are black). If Alvin was sponsored by some unidentified party I expect it was on the basis of his name.
I might add (as regards voting machine fraud): I can certainly believe that it’s possible to hack the machines, but why would someone bother when the stakes are so low (the ‘winner’ here is just going to have the thankless task of getting clobbered by DeMint)? It’s like claiming the CIA stole your bicycle.
I have to agree with Skookum, he’s the perfect sympathy candidate and no more likely to vote idiotically than the ordinary Dems. And I agree with Greg too. It’s a shame there is no paper trail and it’s a shame that so many problems are known with the e-machines but nothing is done. We should (again) try to use the opposition tactics and not let this teeny crisis go to waste, but make a move to protect voting integrity. Even if it is statistically absurd that all the machines could have been bad, there was only a small margin of difference, and that could have been managed with a few machines, or a little bias introduced into all of them (imagine hacking so that every fifth vote for candidate A was changed to candidate B: you’d have a hard time picking that up unless you could document the counting as it happened)
The Democrats didn’t seem to mind crossing lines when they were voting for McCain to get the perfect opponent for Obama
@Skookum: Again, the Elite Dems are proving themselves to be poor politicians: Green could prove to be a reliable vote in Washington and will likely be less of an embarrassment than Pelosi, Boxer, Waters, Dodd, and Frank.
I totally agree with this statement. I also believe that Greene will have a good chance against DeMint. I wouldn’t count him out and I will say that the Republicans will have to really watch how they campaign against him. He is the underdog, and he is one of us.
@Patter: You should write an election thriller novel, No I am serious; that is some cold hearted thinking there, just the stuff those novels are written from. But you will need a reason to elect Greene and that is the plot, hmmm?
@ Tammy:
I wouldn’t count him out and I will say that the Republicans will have to really watch how they campaign against him. He is the underdog, and he is one of us.
@Skook,
That story was already written in 2008–or I’m thinking, between 2004 and 2008. Much, much documented shenannigans starting with gaming the caucuses. The definitive work on that was written by PUMAs, so maybe the Repubs didn’t notice it and for sure the Obamini covered it up. That was a brilliant work, to figure just how to swing the nomination through caucus intimidation, false registrations, busing in loads of paid “voters,” etc. This is on top of everything else ACORN was doing. It was indeed very cold. I think there were a few murders along the way.
Now, I think a lot about how to rewrite the ending to this sorry tale–I like twists and happy endings–the best one so far seems too far out, though. That would be where one of the villians turns out to be an undercover good guy who upsets the applecart. But so far, the upsetting seems to be done by external forces. I think we dodged some big bullets due to Climategate and losing the Olympics. Maybe even this oil spill will have a good side: at least it is drawing attention to the incompetence at the helm.
Whine as much as they may, the Democrats are stuck with Greene. They can’t legally change election results after the fact because they don’t like the numbers, nor can they selectively throw out the results because they aren’t happy with the candidate who won. Electronic voting machines has been declared as “insecure” by various people since the Clinton/Bush/Perot elections, (mostly by “talk radio” gurus and their audiences,) yet we have continually been told by the registrars of voters that they are “secure.” After listening to interviews with the man, I for one don’t think that Greene would know how to reprogram the machines even if he had the access to all of the ones required to get those results. If the Democrats insist on throwing out the results of that race, they have to invalidate the entire election and start over, with different voting machines. Either the ballot process is legitimate and valid, or the whole electronic voting system is in question. They can’t have it both ways. And if other election department’s are using the same machines, then those elections are also either as correct or as questionable. (Considering the ramifications of possibly corrupted electronic voting machine results, perhaps that might just explain how an unvetted, and woefully inexperienced Barak Obama won. Think well ye Democratis if you really want to open this can of worms.)