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Funny how he gives W a beer-gut, when he’s probably one of the fittest presidents we’ve had.

I’m quite sure he’d out-PT Barry.

I thought the same thing, bronze.

Funny cartoon, but I’d guess that BO doesn’t know how to use what’s in the holster!

I really do admire the President’s commitment to fitness. He works out an hour a day.

I’m very disappointed that he didn’t use his Bully Pulpit to motivate the nation to follow his example.

The Presidential candidate with the best health care platform was Mike Huckabee.

He was going to make physical fitness and healthy eating the cornerstone of his health care plan. This could save the treasury literally hundreds of billions of dollars per year over the coming decades. Complications of Type II diabetes and the related metabolic syndrome are already eating up enormous health care dollars, and the cost is going to explode in the coming decades. These can be largely prevented by getting the nation as a whole to adopt the President’s laudable dedication to self-maintenance.

Opportunity wasted. And now, ironically, we’ve got an incoming President who’s still got unresolved issues with cigarette smoking.

– Larry Weisenthal/Huntington Beach, CA

The incoming administration will need more than hope n change to fill President Bush’s boots that’s for sure. Can’t just pass those on, they have to be filled by someone who knows what to do with them.

thebronze,

It’s a cartoon, genius. And a conservative one at that. Catch a clue.

The rest of you guys,

I guess it was a slow day and you needed something to comment on.

Hey Dave, I’ll tell your sister you said Hi.

Now Scram!

JFK said ‘Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.’

and is saying ‘the torch had been passed to a new generation…’ Obama seems to be borrowing some phrases or sentiments

Obama said, our stories are singular, but our destiny is shared, and a new dawn of American leadership is at hand. To those who would tear this world down – we will defeat you. To those who seek peace and security – we support you’

So the cartoon is perhaps not so funny as it is realistic. What confronts any American President will also confront Barack Obama. Will he have the right stuff when things get dicey? Looks like we’re going to find out. Cowboy diplomacy has its upside.

Bronze,

Didn’t get the sister joke, guess that one’s big at your high school.

Re: George Bush the Comboy. The Connecticut Cowboy, that is.

Boy, did he sell you guys a bill of goods on that one. Obama, the effete elitist. Bush, the tough man of the people. The man of the people who went to high school at Andover, one of the most elite private prep schools in America. He then went on to Yale (as a legacy) and Harvard.

The Texas thing? Big act. He went to *junior high* in Midland. And Midland? – not exactly Dodge City. There were enough Ivy League graduates when GWB was growing up in that simple litte Texas burg that they had a Princeton, Harvard, and Yale alumni club.

It takes more than walking with a spread leg swagger, talking like you’ve got a dip of Cope in your mouth, and posing clearing brush on your ranch, to make you a cowboy, rather than a spoiled rich kid.

What prestigious university did you go to Dave?

It figures that you didn’t get the joke. Not too bright, are you?

Dave Noble said: The Texas thing? Big act. He went to *junior high* in Midland. And Midland? – not exactly Dodge City. There were enough Ivy League graduates when GWB was growing up in that simple litte Texas burg that they had a Princeton, Harvard, and Yale alumni club.

It takes more than walking with a spread leg swagger, talking like you’ve got a dip of Cope in your mouth, and posing clearing brush on your ranch, to make you a cowboy, rather than a spoiled rich kid.

Ouch, Dave… suffering from the new socially accepted and spread, progressive disease called class envy there? Since Obama, it’s become quite the rage. Congrats on being in vogue, guy.

So if you’re wealthy, you can’t be a “cowboy”? Oddly enough, many huge spreads are wealthy landowners, and are very “cowboy”.

Odd that the “cowboy” moniker was a liberal media invention, meant as an insult of course. Now I see many instances where the Bush haters are poo poohing him as a “rancher” because of satellite photos of the home.. (like you can see details while viewing 1600 acres… duh)

But just so you have your class envy suit on straight, there is no just “posing” clearing the underbrush on Bush’s Crawford ranch. It’s the real deal, and is his thing for relaxation and exercise. Plus he ropes (that’s a joke, son…) aides into theraputic brush clearing as well.

And to straighten out another internet insult, he does keep a small herd of cattle on the acreage. But cattle are a high maintenance livestock, not exactly a good 2nd job choice for a POTUS who may prefer to be more hands on with his gentleman ranch.

But Bush is a “cowboy”… wealthy or not. Then again, I doubt he gives a flying pig whether you, and the rest of the know it all urbanites, have a clue to the work it takes to keep up on acreage… or even a small handful of livestock.

Mata,

You’re getting emotional (and personal) again. How do you know I’m an urbanite? As a matter of fact, I spent Saturday using my chainsaw to reduce the pile of fallen limbs from the last heavy snowfall. Not that that matters, but you raised the subject. Just as the poster raised the cowboy issue by placing the cartoon depicting Obama as the effete drugstore cowboy. I noticed you, like many on this site, like to dish it out, but get all outraged when someone dishes it back.

I spent a good portion of my adult life living west of the Mississippi. Real cowboys are self-reliant. You really need to learn more about GWB’s biography. He spent his entire life being covered for by his Dad and his Dad’s friends and business associates. Not that my life is a paradigm of achievement, but what I have accomplished, I accomplished on my own. Although my parents taught me great values and my father was a model of what a man should be, nobody greased the skids for me. GWB has been sliding all his life. That’s not an opinion, it’s biographical fact. And that’s my problem with GWB, not his wealth.

Really, Dave Noble…. I’m “outraged” and “emotional”?? LOL You haven’t cyber-seen me “outraged”, guy. When I am, you’ll know it. But it’s hardly at you. And this doesn’t even register on my “emotional” meter.

But I do have a “disdain” meter… it got a bounce.

I don’t know that you’re an urbanite, but your political positions are distinctly urbanite. If you’re a country guy, you must be one lonely dude. And a chainsaw and a tree doesn’t make you an acreage owner. I know people with 5000sf lots who can wield a chain saw….

You, however, have a grand amount of class envy (another urbanite trait)… especially when it comes to Dubya. Unless you’re his next door neighbor, and/or former classmate, I’d suggest you label your personal judgments of him as nothing more than editorial slams. (opinions formed as a result of not an auto-biography, but some author with who knows what as a personal opinion)

Or feel free to continue to expose more of the class envy denizen, bitterly clinging to his Obama campaign promises, that you appear to be.

And oh yes, I’m sure that your life of achievements done “on your own” surpass that of a Texas Governor and POTUS. By gawd, you do have the chutzpah. (oooooo… the “outrage” I demonstrate… LOL!)

I’d say give it a rest on the personal slams with your BDS, Dave. Like I said, I doubt he cares what you, Dave Noble, think. And personally, I don’t think you’d recognize a modern “cowboy” if he ran over you in his Land Rover, Jeep or Ford pick up while herding cattle.

Mata,

Please, oh, please never get outraged at me. You rose to Bush’s defense like he was your father, son, or husband. Same thing with Joe the Plumber. What’s up with that, Mata? Why this need to defend people like a Momma Bear with her cubs?

What are in the flying hell are “urbanite views?” That’s up there with the silliest things you’ve ever said. And what does acreage have to do with living in the country? Does one have to have a “spread” to be a country person? The bottomline is you know very little about me. The meter you have is a political correctness meter that you’ve self-calibrated to your detriment. You continually make assumptions about someone from their political views, while knowing little about them.

And I nerver suggested that my achievement exceed GWB’s. Again, the faux outrage paired with a straw man argument. The difference between me and GWB is that my achievements are my own. I didn’t need Dad and his friends covering for me. I made that clear, but you blew right past it, so you could construct a straw argument and get all worked up over it.

And if I finished my Administration with our troops tied down in two countries, the economy heading for a Depression, and an approval rating in the lower quartile, I’d say I’d failed. I’d rather do a small job well, then blow a big one. We don’t know what Obama will do, but unfortunately we know what Bush has done. And yet no rest round here on the ODS. And the man hasn’t even been inaugurated yet.

Wait, an autobiography is a an unbiased account of someone’s life? In fact, it’s potentially the most biased. The facts about GWB’s life (and his Administration) are out there. That you choose to view them through rose-colored glasses doesn’t change those facts.

And keep beating that class envy thing, it’s a helpful distraction from those facts.

Mata,

Sorry should read:

What in the flying hell are “urbanite views?” I didn’t want to dilute that point with a typo.

You really need to learn more about GWB’s biography.

GWB has been sliding all his life. That’s not an opinion, it’s biographical fact.

Please give us a biographical recommendation. Would love to hear it. Thanks.

The facts about GWB’s life (and his Administration) are out there. That you choose to view them through rose-colored glasses doesn’t change those facts.

How do you know you’re not viewing GWB through a kool-aid induced stupor?

Feel better Dave Noble?

Haven’t a clue to “urbanite” political view points? Now why do you think rural America, fly over country, and the urban centers are generally opposite on elections and policy?

No Mama Bear in me, and Bush doesn’t need my help in defence. Frankly, with all the sheeeeet from the press and personal insults from Congress all these years, the man has got one tough hide. And just so you know, after this bail out bit, I’d like to corner him myself with a few choice words.

But my criticisms of him is of his policies (mostly domestic)…. not his personal life as you attacked. INRE your asinine statement:

He spent his entire life being covered for by his Dad and his Dad’s friends and business associates. Not that my life is a paradigm of achievement, but what I have accomplished, I accomplished on my own.

Last I looked, Daddy Bush & company don’t control the Texas, nor the US electorate. Your statement is nothing but class envy and hatred…. a “distraction”…. got those Obama favored Alinsky talking points down, don’t you? Everything you said is all about how privileged you believe Bush is.

And if I finished my Administration with our troops tied down in two countries, the economy heading for a Depression, and an approval rating in the lower quartile, I’d say I’d failed. I’d rather do a small job well, then blow a big one. We don’t know what Obama will do, but unfortunately we know what Bush has done.

Yes yes… and all the world was rosy before Bush came into office. Your next door neighbor farts, and it must be Bush’s fault. Ya know, Dave, that you insist on blaming all the economic and world’s ills on Bush really takes you to a new low in mental analysis and knowledge of current socio and economic events in the last couple of decades. But if it makes you feel good… go for it. Just don’t expect me to give you a prozac nod of agreement.

Frankly, I’m really tired of you BDS types running down this man with your personal insults and slams. I’ve had to listen to it for six years, so today I feel quite free to wave the fly swatter at stupid crap like you laid out as I pass thru a thread. Is it high on my emotional meter? Nope… but my disdain at your whining, exaggerated falsehoods and unqualified criticisms warrants the cyber tongue to weigh in.

Mata,

Very good recitation of Republican cant, re: red vs. blue, rural and “urbanite”, real American and (I guess, “unreal”) America. Not only is that divisive at a time when Americans need to be unified, but it is losing it’s predicitve capability. If ever there were a “fly over” state, it’s Indiana.

Have you been spending time with Mike lately, Mata? The level of invective in your posts is rising. And the ratio of content to calumny is falling. You throw out insults just because they sound offensive, not because they have any connection to the comments or the commenter.

I lack “stuffing” because I accept the scientific consensus of AGW. Disagree with me all you want. But there is absolutely no connection between my character and my scientific opinions.

I’m a “whiner.” One “whines” about one’s personal life. I am very happy with mine. In fact, I’m very fortunate. But there are many who have suffered because of Bush’s ham-handed, bone-headed leadership. I’m angry about what Bush has done to this country. No, things were not rosy before, but this has been a terrible eight years. And only an unthinking or self-deceptive partisan would argue otherwise.

And if you want to see some pissed-off people full of negativity, divisiveness, and just plain mean-spirit peruse this site and then look in the mirror.

I’m angry about what Bush has done to this country. No, things were not rosy before, but this has been a terrible eight years. And only an unthinking or self-deceptive partisan would argue otherwise.

Why is it not the converse: That only an unthinking or self-deceptive partisan would believe that it’s been a terrible 8 years, because of Bush?

I’d still like to know your biography recommendations upon which you are basing your character assessment of Dubbya as getting by on life, strictly because of privilege.

“Why not the converse: That only an unthinking or self-deceptive partisan would believe that it’s been a terrible 8 years, because of Bush?”

“It would be difficult to identify a President who, facing major international and domestic crises, has failed in both as clearly as President Bush,” concluded one respondent. “His domestic policies,” another noted, “have had the cumulative effect of shoring up a semi-permanent aristocracy of capital that dwarfs the aristocracy of land against which the founding fathers rebelled; of encouraging a mindless retreat from science and rationalism; and of crippling the nation’s economic base.”

America’s historians, it seems, don’t think much of George W. Bush.

Now in all fairness, historians should wait a while before passing judgment on a president’s who served recently, much less one still in office. But the current incumbent is a special case. After all, 81 percent of Americans, according to a recent New York Times poll, believe he’s taken the country on the wrong track. That’s the highest number ever registered. The same poll also says 28 percent have a favorable view of his performance in office, which is also in Nixon-in-the-darkest-days-of-Watergate territory.

But, as George Mason University’s History News Network reports, the historians have a different measure. They want to stack him up against his forty-two predecessors as the nation’s chief executive. Among historians, there is no doubt into which echelon he falls–his competitors are Millard Fillmore, James Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, and Franklin Pierce, the worst of the presidential worst. But does Bush actually come in dead last?

Yes. History News Network’s poll of 109 historians found that 61 percent of them rank Bush as “worst ever” among U.S. presidents. Bush’s key competition comes from Buchanan, apparently, and a further 2 percent of the sample puts Bush right behind Buchanan as runner-up for “worst ever.” 96 percent of the respondents place the Bush presidency in the bottom tier of American presidencies. And was his presidency (it’s a bit wishful to speak of his presidency in the past tense–after all there are several more months left to go) a success or failure? On that score the numbers are still more resounding: 98 percent label it a “failure.”

http://www.harpers.org/archive/2008/04/hbc-90002804

Of course, these are just historians …. that want to look at this record based on the other presidents we’ve had.

Of course, the public, being less informed regarding history than professional historians isn’t too far removed from the historians perspectives on Bush’s presidency: they give it an approval rating of around 25%.

So really, on both ends, academic and not, while you might not find his presidency “terrible” you would find it ‘poor’ to ‘a failure.’

This is old news. Historians of this ilk make me want to puke all over academia. I wonder if any of them signed onto this, as well? President Bush’s time in office isn’t even over yet, let alone seeing things from 50 years down the road, and they’re writing him off as the worst president? They’re idiots. They may “know” their history (so claims their diplomas), but they certainly can’t distinguish from their own biased opinions and absorb current events with clarity and thorough research. Historians don’t distinguish themselves as being somehow objective, detached observers; they’re just as partisan as the rest of us.

Of course, the public, being less informed regarding history than professional historians isn’t too far removed from the historians perspectives on Bush’s presidency: they give it an approval rating of around 25%.

Why don’t you try “being misinformed by them”? Looks to me like the historians are just as brainwashed by the media distortions as the “less informed” public you speak of.

I’d say Sam Pender 😉 has more knowledge on the history of what got us into the Iraq War than any of those so-called historians. And to my knowledge, he did so without a PhD to his name.

Love this part:

That was in the spring of 2004. In the meantime, Bush has established himself as the torture president, the basis for his invasion of Iraq has been exposed as a fraud, the Iraq War itself has gone disastrously, the nation’s network of alliances has faded, and the economy has gone into a tailspin–not to mention the bungled handling of relief for victims of hurricane Katrina. In 2004, only 12 percent of historians were ready to place Bush dead last.

Here are some of the comments that the historians furnished:

“No individual president can compare to the second Bush,” wrote one. “Glib, contemptuous, ignorant, incurious, a dupe of anyone who humors his deluded belief in his heroic self, he has bankrupted the country with his disastrous war and his tax breaks for the rich, trampled on the Bill of Rights, appointed foxes in every henhouse, compounded the terrorist threat, turned a blind eye to torture and corruption and a looming ecological disaster, and squandered the rest of the world’s goodwill. In short, no other president’s faults have had so deleterious an effect on not only the country but the world at large.”

“With his unprovoked and disastrous war of aggression in Iraq and his monstrous deficits, Bush has set this country on a course that will take decades to correct,” said another historian. “When future historians look back to identify the moment at which the United States began to lose its position of world leadership, they will point—rightly—to the Bush presidency. Thanks to his policies, it is now easy to see America losing out to its competitors in any number of areas: China is rapidly becoming the manufacturing powerhouse of the next century, India the high tech and services leader, and Europe the region with the best quality of life.”

The BDS is so transparent. Can you not see it?

The Treatment of Bush has been a Disgrace
What must our enemies be thinking?

NOVEMBER 5, 2008

By JEFFREY SCOTT SHAPIRO

Earlier this year, 12,000 people in San Francisco signed a petition in support of a proposition on a local ballot to rename an Oceanside sewage plant after George W. Bush. The proposition is only one example of the classless disrespect many Americans have shown the president.

According to recent Gallup polls, the president’s average approval rating is below 30% — down from his 90% approval in the wake of 9/11. Mr. Bush has endured relentless attacks from the left while facing abandonment from the right.

This is the price Mr. Bush is paying for trying to work with both Democrats and Republicans. During his 2004 victory speech, the president reached out to voters who supported his opponent, John Kerry, and said, “Today, I want to speak to every person who voted for my opponent. To make this nation stronger and better, I will need your support, and I will work to earn it. I will do all I can do to deserve your trust.”

Those bipartisan efforts have been met with crushing resistance from both political parties.

The president’s original Supreme Court choice of Harriet Miers alarmed Republicans, while his final nomination of Samuel Alito angered Democrats. His solutions to reform the immigration system alienated traditional conservatives, while his refusal to retreat in Iraq has enraged liberals who have unrealistic expectations about the challenges we face there.

It seems that no matter what Mr. Bush does, he is blamed for everything. He remains despised by the left while continuously disappointing the right.

Yet it should seem obvious that many of our country’s current problems either existed long before Mr. Bush ever came to office, or are beyond his control. Perhaps if Americans stopped being so divisive, and congressional leaders came together to work with the president on some of these problems, he would actually have had a fighting chance of solving them.

Like the president said in his 2004 victory speech, “We have one country, one Constitution and one future that binds us. And when we come together and work together, there is no limit to the greatness of America.”

To be sure, Mr. Bush is not completely alone. His low approval ratings put him in the good company of former Democratic President Harry S. Truman, whose own approval rating sank to 22% shortly before he left office. Despite Mr. Truman’s low numbers, a 2005 Wall Street Journal poll found that he was ranked the seventh most popular president in history.

Just as Americans have gained perspective on how challenging Truman’s presidency was in the wake of World War II, our country will recognize the hardship President Bush faced these past eight years — and how extraordinary it was that he accomplished what he did in the wake of the September 11 attacks.

The treatment President Bush has received from this country is nothing less than a disgrace. The attacks launched against him have been cruel and slanderous, proving to the world what little character and resolve we have. The president is not to blame for all these problems. He never lost faith in America or her people, and has tried his hardest to continue leading our nation during a very difficult time.

Our failure to stand by the one person who continued to stand by us has not gone unnoticed by our enemies. It has shown to the world how disloyal we can be when our president needed loyalty — a shameful display of arrogance and weakness that will haunt this nation long after Mr. Bush has left the White House.

Mr. Shapiro is an investigative reporter and lawyer who previously interned with John F. Kerry’s legal team during the presidential election in 2004.

Naw, you’re just plain wrong.

The Bush-Christian-Conservativism failure is so potent it’s even brought about a schism in your own intellectual camp:

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MzRlMjY0YjIwMzk4MDdhOGM4YjEwNjU5ODFhN2JhOTA=

You know this too: Parker, Will, Buckley, et al simply can’t take it anymore and you are now being enveloped into echo chamber –devoid of an intellectual core. That’s what happens when you chip away, claiming bias, at the media, academics, and even the mass populace: you end up residing in an ideological cave of seclusion.

Don’t go lumping Parker in with the same crowd as Will and Buckley Jr.

claiming bias, at the media

There are those who are uninformed and then there are those who are misinformed. I blame the latter case on the mainstream media which even Mark Halperin of Time magazine readily admits.

“It’s the most disgusting failure of people in our business since the Iraq war,” [ed. failure to force the United States to run like cowards?] Halperin said at a panel of media analysts. “It was extreme bias, extreme pro-Obama coverage.”

Halperin, who maintains Time’s political site “The Page,” cited two New York Times articles as examples of the divergent coverage of the two candidates.

WaPo admitted this the following week after the Election:

It’s like we’re living in a alternative universe. Now the MSM is admitting that they showed a complete and utter bias towards Obama…..NOW! When it’s too late to do anything about it. Just yesterday Mike posted on the Newsweek writers who hid the character concerns they had about the one. Now the WaPo has jumped into the act:

The [Washington] Post provided a lot of good campaign coverage, but readers have been consistently critical of the lack of probing issues coverage and what they saw as a tilt toward Democrat Barack Obama. My surveys, which ended on Election Day, show that they are right on both counts.

My assistant, Jean Hwang, and I have been examining Post coverage since Nov. 11 last year on issues, voters, fundraising, the candidates’ backgrounds and horse-race stories on tactics, strategy and consultants. We also have looked at photos and Page 1 stories since Obama captured the nomination June 4. Numbers don’t tell you everything, but they give you a sense of The Post’s priorities.

The count was lopsided, with 1,295 horse-race stories and 594 issues stories. The Post was deficient in stories that reported more than the two candidates trading jabs; readers needed articles, going back to the primaries, comparing their positions with outside experts’ views. There were no broad stories on energy or science policy, and there were few on religion issues.

Why would this imbalance exist?

Stories and photos about Obama in the news pages outnumbered those devoted to McCain. Post reporters, photographers and editors — like most of the national news media — found the candidacy of Obama, the first African American major-party nominee, more newsworthy and historic. Journalists love the new; McCain, 25 years older than Obama, was already well known and had more scars from his longer career in politics.

~~~

When Gov. Sarah Palin was nominated for vice president, reporters were booking the next flight to Alaska. Some readers thought The Post went over Palin with a fine-tooth comb and neglected Biden. They are right; it was a serious omission.

Last week, John Zogby and filmmaker John Ziegler released the following poll:

Zogby Poll

512 Obama Voters 11/13/08-11/15/08 MOE +/- 4.4 points

97.1% High School Graduate or higher, 55% College Graduates

Results to 12 simple Multiple Choice Questions

57.4% could NOT correctly say which party controls congress (50/50 shot just by guessing)

81.8% could NOT correctly say Joe Biden quit a previous campaign because of plagiarism (25% chance by guessing)

82.6% could NOT correctly say that Barack Obama won his first election by getting opponents kicked off the ballot (25% chance by guessing)

88.4% could NOT correctly say that Obama said his policies would likely bankrupt the coal industry and make energy rates skyrocket (25% chance by guessing)

56.1% could NOT correctly say Obama started his political career at the home of two former members of the Weather Underground (25% chance by guessing).

And yet…..

Only 13.7% failed to identify Sarah Palin as the person on which their party spent $150,000 in clothes

Only 6.2% failed to identify Palin as the one with a pregnant teenage daughter

And 86.9 % thought that Palin said that she could see Russia from her “house,” even though that was Tina Fey who said that!!

Only 2.4% got at least 11 correct.

Only .5% got all of them correct. (And we “gave” one answer that was technically not Palin, but actually Tina Fey)

Watch the video here. Is there ignorance equivalency on the conservative side? Sure. But when more voters- doesn’t matter Republican or Democrat- know with knee-jerk speed the answer to “which candidate has the pregnant teenage daughter?” but don’t know the details of William Ayers and his association to Barack Obama (it’s the education reform, stupid), then I’d say the serious arm of the news media has failed to do its role in critical analysis for the sake of the people. When the media is in the tank for one party, we get Mexico.

Victor Davis Hanson:

The point is that somewhere around early to mid-2007 ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN, the New York Times, the Washington Post, NPR, Newsweek, Time, etc. chose to become — in the manner that they selected, emphasized, and presented their news stories — a quasi-official Obama media, or at least a quasi-official what-they-thought-Obama-was news media. Chris Matthews’ asinine statement about his investment in the success of the Obama administration was merely a crude summation of the creed of the more sober and judicious.

I don’t really think they can now pull off an Animal-Farm-like ‘two-legs were bad’, ‘now two-legs good’ complete turn-about just because they’ve taken over the manor. I do think that the media’s unprofessional lobbying for the cause of Obama — not now, but in a decade or two — will become a classic case study in any graduate class on journalistic ethics.

Amanda Carpenter:

John Ziegler didn’t know the kind of fury the left would unleash on him when he unveiled his web video “How Obama Got Elected.”

The ten-minute short featured 12 interviews he conducted with Obama supporters at Los Angeles polling stations on Election Day and the final product wasn’t flattering to liberals. His subjects couldn’t answer basic questions like “Who controls Congress” and “Who is Nancy Pelosi” or “Who is Harry Reid.” They could, however, correctly answer questions about GOP vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin’s pregnant daughter and wardrobe budget without any problem.

The web video spread like wildfire around the internet, getting more than 1.4 million views. Ziegler plans to include the interviews in a forthcoming film titled “Media Malpractice…How Obama Got Elected.”

See his website and video here.

What does it say about our culture that gets its information/opinions shaped by the likes of Jon Stewart and SNL? As latenight comedians put it, they couldn’t find anything funny about Obama. He’s the dignified, serious cerebral candidate with the halo.

John Harwood:

I don’t think they are hacks for the Democratic Party. People write about what’s funny to them. And the stuff that’s funny to them is, is the stuff that comes out of what they see that they want to make fun of from Republicans.

This bias is nothing new. It’s been with us longer than the last 8 years, as well.

Journalists who wrote political checks

No bias creeping into their copy, though, right? Just professional, objective journalism.

Word,

So, historians who disagree with you are “idiots” who make you “puke?” That not a very thoughful response. I figure I got off light when you accused me of being in a “kool-aid induced stupor”

You are in the 25% minority who approve of the President’s performance and the rest of us are kool-aid intoxicated, MSM-brainwashed fools who have not seen the light shining so brightly for you, the pure-minded. Now that’s an elitist atttitude, if I ever heard one.

And what has immunized you from the brainwashing that sanjay and I and so many others have succumbed to? Spending time here at FA? If you think you’re getting an unbiased presentation of the facts here you’re very wrong.

Here’s my earlier post that didn’t get through:

Word,

I would recommend “American Dynasty” by Kevin Philips.

Are all of our problems directly attributable to George Bush? No. But when he’s been running the country for eight years with his own party in control of Congress for six of those years, it beggars belief to suggest that he did not play a substantial role in a large number of the problems the nation faces at the close of his Administration.

Noble said: And if you want to see some pissed-off people full of negativity, divisiveness, and just plain mean-spirit peruse this site and then look in the mirror.

ROTFLMAO, Dave… Read back thru my posts and you’ll find not one of them are from a “pissed off, full of negativity, mean-spirit” person. It was you who started down the pointless road of assaulting the personal character of a sitting POTUS.

When you finally did add your criticism of his policies with the litany of the left, I told you to believe what you wanted, but don’t expect some prozac nod of agreement from me.

This is mean-spirted and divisive? Funny… I look in that mirror and see a cyber reflection of you. Does it piss me off? Hang no. Like I said, you’re just a bounce on my disdain meter. There was a wasp flying around the balconey about 10 minutes ago that got more of a rise out of me than you and your comments.

Gotta love this “can’t we all get alone” crap nowadays. Six years of listening to BS like you spew about a spoiled rich kid, Bush, and uneducated opinions about the haps in the world… but now we’re all just supposed to smile benignly.

And where has your “can’t we all get along” ‘tude been for the past 6-8 years?

I suggest if you want to end the divisiveness, you confine your criticisms of Bush to policy differences, and bypass your imagined visual of Bush being a privileged do nothing based on some biography you took to heart. Or perhaps we should all chip in and send you a Christmas gift of Corsi’s Obama Nation, and pronounce that the quintessential, and unbiased, biography of Obama. Get the drift?

But since you’re so hypersensitive, perhaps on my more tolerant days, I’ll tiptoe around you, and make sure I don’t hurl such offensive personal insults like “urbanite” or one demonstrating “class envy”. Since today isn’t one of those “tolerant” days, I’ll hurl another big bad insult. You’re a wuss too, Dave…. That’s another “urbanite” trait.

Ya know, Jan aka Sanjay, it’s rather premature to pass judgment on the Bush effect on the world. You might want to dance in the streets about what you consider a schism in your own intellectual [GOP] camp,” but time must pass to see what has begun under Bush becomes, in the Middle East, as Iraq and Afghanistan evolve.

When Bush took office, Pakistan was a nuke armed enemy, Libya was embarking on a WMD programme, Iraqis were living under a despot, and the Taliban were safely nestled in as power in Afghanistan, playing host to Bin Laden. Jihad was viewed favorably with a high percentage of the Muslim world.

When Bush took office, the 911 suicide pilots had trained under Clinton’s nose, and the N. Koreans had conned him and Albright (in two party talks) into believing they weren’t seeking nuke weapons. The global Islamic jihad movements had declared war on the US in the World Islamic Statement of 1998, including both Bin Laden (AQ) and al Zawahiri as EIJ… as well as two other major jihad movements. The jihad movement had already struck the WTC in 1993, and attacked a US warship in Yemen.

All of that has now changed to more favorable conditions and future, under President George W. Bush.

But it is all Bush’s fault.

The economy had already started a downturn before Bush took office, the CRA regs were already in place for the subprime debacle under Clinton’s Treasury Sec’y, Bob Rubin… who’s busy getting a hand out for Citigroup today… and 2001 took our economy into a death spiral prematurely. Greenspan… who has spanned multiple administrations… kept the rates so low as to increase the problems with the subprime by causing runaway inflation prices on homes.

But it is all Bush’s fault.

Yep, Jan…. you may go to sleep tonight feeling you’re in good company for those who believe Bush is the worst POTUS in US history.

Then again, the world was once convinced the world was flat too.

You reality-free, analysis-insulated echochamber trapped fleas always want to retreat to the future where it’s warm and cozy, and you can burrow away in your bed of ignorance, where no one can know anything about the present in evaluating Bush’s policies:

-In regard to the public: they should wait, then they will then understand.
-In regard to the academics: they should wait, then they will apologize.
-In regard to the journalists: they should wait, then they will rewrite.
-In regard to heretical republicans: they should wait, then they will repent.

Wait. Wait. …always “wait, then you will see.” You echo clones sing to the future all alike, that’s your only refuge, where you can cling on to your collapsing ideology.

But it’s our time now; you wait.

This is politics, not physics; and as such it’s bound to a perception of playing forces that dominate and subdue to further a goal, it can get be graceful or messy: For Bush it is going to be brutal.

Bush will be taken down even further; beyond the congressional turnover in 06, beyond his invisible presidency in the past campaign season, beyond his present co-presidency with Obama, and finally down to the present, removed from the future: where all his years of tricks, deception, miscalculations, and shadow dealings will be laid out for public consumption, with a clear diagonal downward slope to failure … as a president.

… and we won’t have to wait either, it’ll start soon.

Boy Sanjay, where do you live? On planet Saturn or what? Bush was one of your greatest President and was also a very fine man. I think you must be reading too much of the MSM bullshit… lol

@Dave Noble:

Word,

So, historians who disagree with you are “idiots” who make you “puke?” That not a very thoughful response. I figure I got off light when you accused me of being in a “kool-aid induced stupor”

Dave,

If you read my comment in context as a response to yours:

The facts about GWB’s life (and his Administration) are out there. That you choose to view them through rose-colored glasses doesn’t change those facts.

You’ll see that I was merely keeping up with your tone.

And no…historians I disagree with aren’t idiots who make me want to puke; ones who pronounce judgment on a presidency that doesn’t have the distance of history and spout nonsense laced with BDS talking points are idiots who make me want to puke. They aren’t to be taken seriously. That you can’t see this is unbelievable to me; I can only chalk it up to your own feelings towards Bush blinding you to the ridiculousness in their partisan political assessment of the Bush presidency.

If you think you’re getting an unbiased presentation of the facts here you’re very wrong.

Dude….you’re on a frickin’ conservative blog! Duh! It’s about perspective on “the facts”. I get my daily dose of liberalism and bias from the Washington Post, NYTimes, LATimes, tv news, as well as visits to the leftside of the blogosphere. Occasionally I’ll pick up a liberal book.

You and Sanjay live in your own security bubble if you think we aren’t exposed to “your side” of things. Look through my posts and tell me how often I’ve cited from FOX, Hannity, Rush, Coulter and all the other leftwing punching dummies? If anything, at least half the time we’re citing from msm news outlets.

I can’t believe after your time here, you’d come up with such a lame charge. I’d think you know some of us here, a bit better, by now.

Sanjay on the other hand gets a pseudo-pass. Have no clue how long she’s been here, but offers responses that are just mindless drivel and pout, because I disagree with whatever point she, he, it is trying to make.

I would recommend “American Dynasty” by Kevin Philips.

Thanks. I’ll look for it the next time I go to the library, although I do have a healthy overdose of skepticism in regards to Kevin Philips.

Are all of our problems directly attributable to George Bush? No. But when he’s been running the country for eight years with his own party in control of Congress for six of those years, it beggars belief to suggest that he did not play a substantial role in a large number of the problems the nation faces at the close of his Administration.

Don’t forget that Jeffords jumped ship in 2001, voting with Democrats and turning a 50/50 split in the Senate to 49/51. Bush’s agenda came to a halt then. After the 2002 election, weak leadership in the GOP squandered the power we were given. And Democrats, over the war issue, have been wildly partisan in their opposition. Didn’t seem to upset Democrats in ’92, ’94, ’96, ’98 attacks on Iraq as well as support for the Iraqi Liberation Act in ’98.

Conservatives see plenty of problems with the way Bush has run his presidency. But the criticism is that he hasn’t governed conservative enough. The kind of criticism coming from “your side” is just mostly hyperbolic, hyperventilating partisan hackery. With little rhyme and reason other than opposition simply because he wears the scarlet “R” by his name. I suppose it’s expected for the opposition party, out of power.

sanjay,

All I see in your responses is just bds blather and drivel. Quit frothing and grow some teeth before you go chomping at the bit.

I often believe that we liberals make a huge mistake criticizing Bush for is personal life, rather than his political policy. Aren’t we being a bit hypocritical when we point the finger at his drug/alcohol use, grades in school, or relationship with his father, and then get outraged by illegal wire tapping and invasion of privacy? POTUS is a citizen and a human being, just like the rest of us, and deserves the same privacy as the rest of us. Yet, he hasn’t used email in eight years, as they automatically become archived and public record.

I’m reading here a lot of criticism here towards Obama, based on his personal life (church going habits, smoking, ect…). How do we take a stance against the Right behaving this way if we’re doing the same thing on the Left?

Just a thought.

Jan/Sanjay said:

You reality-free, analysis-insulated echochamber trapped fleas always want to retreat to the future where it’s warm and cozy, and you can burrow away in your bed of ignorance, where no one can know anything about the present in evaluating Bush’s policies:

Don’t be absurd, Jan. I actually evaluated the current term’s historical achievements. So if you want to talk about burrowed heads in ignorance, I notice you have nothing to say in response to the Bush achievements in the foreign policy. i.e.

When Bush took office, Pakistan was a nuke armed enemy, Libya was embarking on a WMD programme, Iraqis were living under a despot, and the Taliban were safely nestled in as power in Afghanistan, playing host to Bin Laden. Jihad was viewed favorably with a high percentage of the Muslim world.

When Bush took office, the 911 suicide pilots had trained under Clinton’s nose, and the N. Koreans had conned him and Albright (in two party talks) into believing they weren’t seeking nuke weapons. The global Islamic jihad movements had declared war on the US in the World Islamic Statement of 1998, including both Bin Laden (AQ) and al Zawahiri as EIJ… as well as two other major jihad movements. The jihad movement had already struck the WTC in 1993, and attacked a US warship in Yemen.

All of that has now changed to more favorable conditions and future, under President George W. Bush.

Obviously, you have a hard time recognizing achievements when you resent the POTUS….

Now, since you’re on a real roll in sprewing bile, perhaps I should point out that the only one who did the “retreat to the future where it’s warm and cozy” was you… yourself.. in post #19 who brought up the “warm and cozy” future of Bush as the worst POTUS via historians. I’m not sure just how you stupid you think we all are, girl, but I’m quite sure basic reading skills are prevalent here…. and your spin on the facts just don’t cut the mustard. I will not be accepting the blame for what you did… then turn around and accuse us of begatting the legacy madness. Chutzpah…

So we can tell by your last paragraph that what you want most from an Obama Presidency is to prosecute Bush. Yet I wonder if you would like to have seen the inner workings of the Clinton terms, where the AQ/jihad movementl global threat increased in intensity and frequency until it festered and culminated in 911?

And I wonder if you have even a snippet of curiousity about the man you have just helped put into office? Or do you just hold that “transparency” standard only for one POTUS you don’t like?

You’re desperate for some strange vengence, girl.

What is it with these leftwing moonbats that even when they win an election they are still so unhappy they have nothing better to do than attempt to hijack a thread like this and continue to spit their poison.

Maybe we should just put up a photo of President Bush once a day on a separate post just for them so they can continue to vent their irrational, puerile rage.

Here you go, have at it. But don’t continue to bore us all to death with this crap on every single post from here to eternity:

You people have more bile than brains and you should be ashamed of yourselves!

“Here you go, have at it”.

Joe Klein, a former admirer of Bush writes today-


The latter has held sway these past few months as the economy has crumbled. It is too early to rate the performance of Bush’s economic team, but we have more than enough evidence to say, definitively, that at a moment when there was a vast national need for reassurance, the President himself was a cipher. Yes, he’s a lame duck with an Antarctic approval rating — but can you imagine Bill Clinton going so gently into the night? There are substantive gestures available to a President that do not involve the use of force or photo ops. For example, Bush could have boosted the public spirit — and the auto industry — by announcing that he was scrapping the entire federal automotive fleet, including the presidential limousine, and replacing it with hybrids made in Detroit. He could have jump-started — and he still could — the Obama plan by releasing funds for a green-jobs program to insulate public buildings. He could start funding the transit projects already approved by Congress.

In the end, though, it will not be the creative paralysis that defines Bush. It will be his intellectual laziness, at home and abroad. Bush never understood, or cared about, the delicate balance between freedom and regulation that was necessary to make markets work. He never understood, or cared about, the delicate balance between freedom and equity that was necessary to maintain the strong middle class required for both prosperity and democracy. He never considered the complexities of the cultures he was invading. He never understood that faith, unaccompanied by rigorous skepticism, is a recipe for myopia and foolishness. He is less than President now, and that is appropriate. He was never very much of one.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1862307,00.html

Klein is still unforgivably late in taking six years to come to his senses, but, as always, better late than never.

@Mike’s America:

You got that right Mike, vile, partisan, hackery spit, this character is drenched in it.

Love the photo, hubby has one of the President out working on the ranch, just like HE does EVERY week end, weather permitting, on our farm. Bad weather puts him working inside, I’m a week end farmer widow. He has done a six and a half hour drive every weekend since we bought the place in 1985. He knows exactly why the President loves to cut brush.

He has two photos of President Reagan, one with his horse and another of President Reagan in a Jeep Scrambler, his favorite. Hubby restored a 82 Scrambler, it’s up on mounts in his barn in a corner by the framed photos and his “I voted for Bush bumper sticker. BTW, hubby’s barn is paneled in knotty pine, has central air, satillite tv, phone, an electronic dart board, fridge for beer, micro wave for snacks and lots of other manly stuff. Never had an animal in it though, maybe a *kitten* some day soon. Just mentioning this because I don’t want anyone to think we would display presidential photos in an undignified way and….. to tick off some of the moonbats that can’t seen to control themselves in an adult manner. >wink<

Ya know, Mike… had you kept Jan busy on Mike’s America, she wouldn’t be here to annoy the rest of us with her cherry picked borrowed thoughts! But then, she appears to be dependent upon other people’s opinions to “prove” her own. oh my….

Perhaps the Dems are on to something when they say most of the electorate is too stupid to make wise decisions for their own lives. Jan’s a good poster child.

Victor David Hanson’s attempt to hide Bush’s legacy with future historians and in a generation incapable of judgment:

George W. Bush is neither the source of all our ills nor the “worst” president in our history. He will leave office with about the same dismal approval rating as the once-despised Harry Truman. By 1953, the country loathed the departing Truman as much as it was ecstatic about newly elected national hero Dwight Eisenhower — who had previously never been elected to anything.

As for Bush’s legacy, it will be left to future historians to weigh his responsibility for keeping us safe from another Sept. 11-like attack for seven years, the now increasingly likely victory in Iraq, AIDS relief abroad, new expansions for Medicare and federal support for schools vs. the mishandling of Hurricane Katrina, the error-plagued 2004-to-2007 occupation of Iraq, and out-of-control federal spending. As in the case of the once-unpopular Ulysses S. Grant, Calvin Coolidge and Harry Truman, Bush’s supposedly “worst” presidency could one day not look so bad in comparison with the various administrations that followed.

But these days even that modest assessment that things aren’t that bad — or all that different from the past — may well elicit a hysterical reaction from an increasingly hysterical generation.

http://www.mercurynews.com/opinion/ci_11084983

… ‘an increasingly hysterical generation; ‘that’s cute! …just like ‘a generation of whiners,’ I guess.

Jan… what can I say? “increasingly hysterical generation” or a “generation of whiners”… you wear those shoes well.