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Andrew J. Bacevich, a professor of international relations at Boston University, wrote in the WaPo the other day that the surge is basically a failure….its all smoke and mirrors you see….and he proceeds into the new and improved liberal talking point these days – “but we’re still failing because the political situation isn’t all that good!”

Nevermind that a year ago it was all about the violence and the “civil war”. Now its all about the politics. These people will never be happy until the United States ultimately fails:

Rather than fostering political reconciliation, accommodating Sunni tribal leaders ratifies the ethnic cleansing that resulted from the civil war touched off by the February 2006 bombing of the Golden Mosque in Samarra, a Shiite shrine. That conflict has shredded the fragile connective tissue linking the various elements of Iraqi society; the deals being cut with insurgent factions serve only to ratify that dismal outcome. First Sgt. Richard Meiers of the Army’s 3rd Infantry Division got it exactly right: “We’re paying them not to blow us up. It looks good right now, but what happens when the money stops?”

In short, the surge has done nothing to overturn former secretary of state Colin Powell’s now-famous “Pottery Barn” rule: Iraq is irretrievably broken, and we own it. To say that any amount of “kicking ass” will make Iraq whole once again is pure fantasy. The U.S. dilemma remains unchanged: continue to pour lives and money into Iraq with no end in sight, or cut our losses and deal with the consequences of failure.

I love that. The Sunni’s have turned against AQ because we are paying them. That’s the only reason! Not because they brutalized the Sunni’s and turned against their host. No, its because of the big bad ole US of A.

And putting in a cherry picked quote from one military member does not make your point Andrew.

The fact remains Andrew has been against the war from the start, he lost his son in the war and most obviously harbors some ill will toward the war, understandably so. But don’t spin the facts to make a point that you just can’t get over. He wants us to just deal with failure. Nevermind that this would mean giving al-Qaeda a whole nation from which to base attacks from, plus give them the revenue of a whole country. Nevermind the unimaginable horror the people of that nation would face akin to Pol Pot. Nevermind that the whole world would once again know that we are indeed nothing but a paper tiger, who run when the going gets tough.

He should be ashamed of himself.

Just learn to deal with the consequences of failure! Disgusting.

For a more well balanced and reasonable take on the war check out this article by Frederick W. Kagan, Jack Keane and Michael O’Hanlon in the same paper:

Iraq’s parliament this month passed a new de-Baathification bill, which awaits only expected approval by the five-member presidency council before becoming law. Much remains to be done, but this is an important step toward political reconciliation — and it further strengthens the case for America to remain committed to its crucial mission in Iraq in the months and years ahead.

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The reformed de-Baathification legislation is one of half a dozen key political issues codified into American law last year by President Bush and Congress as “benchmarks” we expected Iraqi leaders to address. Other matters so identified are hydrocarbon legislation; a provincial powers act (clarifying the roles of Iraq’s 18 provinces vis-a-vis the central government); a provincial election law to facilitate the next round of local elections; a process for holding a referendum on the political future of Kirkuk, the disputed northern oil city (and for compensating individual property holders and sectarian groups who lose out in such a vote); and a more transparent and trustworthy process for purging sectarian extremists from positions of government authority.

These benchmarks are reasonable goals. It is regrettable that insufficient progress has been made on the others (with the exception of the long, slow progress of purging extremists from official positions). What really matters, however, is that Iraqis come to view themselves as a single people working together to build a new nation, and address their inevitable differences legislatively rather than violently. As such, to the extent that benchmarks are employed, we would advocate using a longer list — and include Baghdad’s sharing of oil revenue with the provinces, the hiring of Sunni volunteers into the security forces and into the civilian arms of government, improvements in the legal and penal systems, and, over time, reform of the electoral system to weaken the role of the sectarian parties. In all but the last of these considerable progress has been made in the past year.

This political progress resulted from a year’s worth of substantial effort to reduce violence in Iraq. Proponents of the surge always said that getting violence under control was an essential prerequisite to reconciliation, not the other way around. The full surge has been in place and operating for just over six months, and already violence has fallen dramatically across the country. The achievement in such a short time of significant legislation that requires all sides to accept risk and compromise with people they had been fighting only a few months ago is remarkable. It would have been unattainable without the change in strategy and addition of American forces that helped bring the violence down.

I know Andrew is trying to become the male version of Cindy Sheehan but its time to get a grip and come back down to reality. We are making progress there. It’s slow, hard work. But we ARE winning.

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Baghdad Security Improved Tenfold
http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/016676.php

Anti-war groups make tactical retreat on Iraq
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2008/01/antiwar_groups_make_tactical_r.html

Transition starting in Iraq
http://www.kansascity.com/news/nation/story/450069.html

Five Brigades Should be Home by July, Gates Says
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=48699

Fear not. What’s the worst a Democratic President can do…order a phased withdrawal in Jan 09 (14 months after one has already started)?

The Vietnam-Pol Pot analogy can NOT be stated strongly enough. I have been to Cambodia and it is a true tragedy the brutlity that the people and country have endured.

The death toll in Iraq over the past 7 years would be surpassed within 3 months if we just pull out before securing the people.

Random

Well random I don’t know how much time you spent there, my stay was only 2 months. However my sister has been there since 1994 she is the Dean of the only English language law school in Cambodia and from my time and her time there about the closest analogy that i can come up with is that both the Khmer Rouge and al Qaeda in Iraq grew because of the presence of foreign intervention including the USA in the respective countries.

I look at it from the point of view that we pulled out of Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos in 1975. As a result a group with a “Radical Philosiphy” with the suport of a portion of the native population was able to take over and murder 1.5 million people in Cambodia alone. Not to mention those who died in Laos and Vietnam.

In Iraq we are in a country where a certain minority segment (Al Queda) with a Radical Philosophy which in some ways mirrors the Khmer Party Line (We were once all powerful, We cn regain the Glory, he Westerners are the Cause for our misortune, Those who are not with us must die) and wishes to take power.

Should we leave I expect the country to collapse, and for the extremists to take over. They would quickly institute laws that would result in the rights of millions being eliminated and the open execution of anyone they deem to be an enemy or not following there philosophy.

If am not argueing weather the US by entering those regions Vietnam, OR Iraq lead to some destabalization.It’s a moot point. We are there. Now it’s a matter of what is best for the people, Ours and theres.

Tell me what you think would happen to Iraq, and the Middle east if we started pulling out our troops?

Random

“both the Khmer Rouge and al Qaeda in Iraq grew because of the presence of foreign intervention including the USA in the respective countries.”

Or because of political opposition to US forces-forces sent to do good, to protect, to enable liberty, freedom, and in support of the idea that all men are created equal. One wonders how and why people oppose such endeavors, and why the same political opposition to doing good breeds terrorists bent on doing evil, and make no bones about it: AQ and KR are cut from the same cloth when it comes to doing evil.

” both the Khmer Rouge and al Qaeda in Iraq grew because of the presence of foreign intervention including the USA in the respective countries.”

How does this statement explain the killing of millions in Cambodia and SE Asia after the Americans had left?

How does this statement explain the deaths of thousands of Iraqis by suicide bombers?

The truth is people do not want to be ruled by terrorists. The only way terrorists can rule is to kill enough of their fellow countrymen to eliminate all independent thought. One can see it in the takeover of Russia, China, Korea, Cuba, Vietnam, Cambodia Iran etc. by terrorists. But as the Korean war and Vietnam and now Iraq have proven. America and their allies can stop the terrorists with superior firepower.

So how are the terrorists able to overcome this? Vietnam was the classic example, get the American leftists (a group who have never met a terrorist they did not agree with-as long as they were fighting the US)

to cut off the funds that feed that firepower. Then with the hope that American support can bring freedom gone, The terrorists are free to murder their own countrymen into submission.

I’m just wondering! how was the political situation under Saddam? just a question. Do you think many people died violently under his hand, Nah, couldn’t have.

It is the premature absence of peacekeeping forces-including American forces that breeds terror.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/01/iraq_and_911not_the_same_battl_1.html