LAPD Tracking Muslim Groups

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The LAPD has started tracking the Muslim enclaves inside Los Angeles:

An extensive mapping program launched by the LAPD’s anti-terrorism
bureau to identify Muslim enclaves across the city sparked outrage
Thursday from some Islamic groups and civil libertarians, who denounced
the effort as an exercise in racial and religious profiling.

Los Angeles Police Department Deputy Chief Michael P. Downing, who
heads the bureau, defended the undertaking as a way to help Muslim
communities avoid the influence of those who would radicalize Islamic
residents and advocate “violent, ideologically-based extremism.”

“We are seeking to identify at-risk communities,” Downing said in an
interview Thursday evening. “We are looking for communities and
enclaves based on risk factors that are likely to become isolated. . .
. We want to know where the Pakistanis, Iranians and Chechens are so we
can reach out to those communities.”

Downing added that the Muslim Public Affairs Council has embraced
the vaguely defined program “in concept.” The group’s executive
director, Salam Al-Marayati, said Thursday that it wanted to know more
about the plan and had a meeting set with the LAPD next week.

“We will work with the LAPD and give them input, while at the same
time making sure that people’s civil liberties are protected,” said
Al-Marayati, who commended Downing for being “very forthright in his
engagement with the Muslim community.”

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Hussam Ayloush, who leads the Los Angeles chapter of the Council on
American-Islamic Relations, said the mapping “basically turns the LAPD
officers into religious political analysts, while their role is to
fight crime and enforce the laws.”

During Oct. 30 testimony before Congress, Downing described the program
broadly as an attempt to “mitigate radicalization.” At that time, he
said law enforcement agencies nationwide faced “a vicious, amorphous
and unfamiliar adversary on our land.”

Downing and other law enforcement officials said police agencies around
the world are dealing with radical Muslim groups that are isolated from
the larger community, making potential breeding groups for terrorism.
He cited terror cells in Europe as well as the case of some Muslim
extremists in New Jersey arrested in May for allegedly planning to bomb
Ft. Dix.

“We want to map the locations of these closed, vulnerable communities,
and in partnership with these communities . . . help [weave] these
enclaves into the fabric of the larger society,” he said in his
testimony.

“To do this, we need to go into the community and get to know peoples’
names,” he said. “We need to walk into homes, neighborhoods, mosques
and businesses.”

To assemble the mapping data, Downing said in an interview Thursday,
the LAPD intends to enlist USC’s Center for Risk and Economic Analysis
of Terrorism Events, which was founded four years ago with $12 million
in federal funds.

In 2003, university officials said the center would focus on
threats to power plants, telecommunications and transportation systems.

It recently was tapped to strengthen security at Los Angeles International Airport.

Downing said the effort would not involve spying on neighborhoods. He said it would identify groups, not individuals.

“This has nothing to do with intelligence,” he said, comparing it to market research.

In this day and age you damn well better be tracking these groups.  While the majority of Muslims here probably do not want to harm this country it only takes a few radical Islamic elements to infiltrate a mosque, as this movie shows us is happening on a continual basis, to do a great amount of damage to this country.

UPDATE


ABCNews…”Exclusive: FBI: Al Qaeda May Strike U.S. Shopping Malls in LA, Chicago”

Link to FBI alert PDF

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UPDATE:
ABCNews…”Exclusive: FBI: Al Qaeda May Strike U.S. Shopping Malls in LA, Chicago”
http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/11/exclusive-fbi-a.html

Link to FBI alert pdf:
http://abcnews.go.com/images/Blotter/FBI_bulletin071108.pdf

Hopefully there are other Police and organizations that watch these groups in secrecy across the Country so the ACLU doesnt get wind of it, cause when they do everything is blown!

Will this work? Probably not. The FBI, whose job it is to find spies has problems finding spies in it’s own ranks. Meanwhile they had agents stalking the Beetles.

An outreach program would probably work more than treating the Muslim community as the mafia. The LAPD is already made up of paranoid bunch and it will come as another black eye to the LAPD if nothing happens to warrent spying on the community.

Being bad neighbors is what is causing the European problems. Europeans are very tribal as it is (blaming the people down the street for their problems) and with the lack of resources like jobs, it only gets worse. Remember, if Europe was a state of the U.S., it’s per capita income would rank between Mississippi and West Virginia (two of the worst off economic states). Notice the lack of Jewish vs Muslim gangs in the U.S. like there was the Irish vs the Italians. That’s because there is plenty of money and resources to go around. In Europe, the Muslims are bottom rung, along with most East Europeans. Too many poor + too few jobs equals violence.

The LAPD is already made up of paranoid bunch

I love that. Law enforcement should just be more trusting don’t you see? We should only be around to write those reports AFTER the crime has been committed. How dare we try to stop it before it happens…..just a bunch of nazi’s!

outreach program would probably work more than treating the Muslim community as the mafia.

Yes, why try to keep tabs on those who want to destroy us. Lets just set up some daycenters where they can all play ping pong together.

Being bad neighbors is what is causing the European problems.

I’m laughing so hard just trying to write a response…how anyone can believe this is beyond me. I suppose this is a byproduct of our liberal College system.

What caused this problem is called white guilt and Socialism. You should know all about that tho since judging by your comments you are deeply entrenched in both. Hopefully we have a population with a bit more common sense then you have displayed lest we go down the same road as Europe.

If any community self selects to become and issue they should not be surprised or outraged and scrutiny above the general population.

Secondarily the mapping of the communities is a good point for them to more effectively protect those communities with a better use of resources if some backlash event occurs related to them.

Simple everyday incident mapping of police calls determines already force allocations, best use of patrol resources to emerging trends and potential intel as to where the threats are coming from and thus countered.

The elite LAPD anti-drug task force battering ram was discontinued because it was continously sent to smash the wrong houses, the elite anti-gang task force was busted for corruption and now the elite riot control task force is in hot water because they attacked unarmed people including reporters at a peaceful ralley (where the backers had a permit). The offical ruling on the rally attack was the police suffered from mass paranoia and saw and heard things (including orders to shut down the rally) that never happened. The death of Donald Scott of Malibu by a multi police task force is the norm and not the exception to the local police and how they get away with corruption and paranoia.

The raiding of Muslim book stores looking for terrorist hand books, taking pictures of people entering and leaving mosques and bugging the lines of local clerics is probably going to create the next Timothy Mcveigh rather than stop the next David Koresh. Under the local system of police defense, any death of a Muslim or even a Hindi (the police can’t tell them apart and has led to police arresting “famous” Hindi Bollywood actors thinking they were possible Muslim terrorists) they could just say that they thought the guy was a suicide bomber. That kind of defense is sure to upset the locals.

An outreach plan is not unheard of. It was done after the Watts riots and the LA riots. Middle class Muslims probably don’t need another daycare center as much as the police to not call them Hajis, ragheads or terrorists even if it’s to each other. Working with the local clerics will produce more results than driving the Muslims underground.

Violence and “Isms” based on poverty in Europe: Skin heads, neo Nazis, punks, Gypsies, the mafia, soccer hooligans, “The Polish plumbers”, Italy expelling Romanians “because of crime,” the racism against Asian Indians and the various riots and strikes. The Muslims are just another cog trying to fight for a very small pie there.

The elite LAPD anti-drug task force battering ram was discontinued because it was continously sent to smash the wrong houses, the elite anti-gang task force was busted for corruption and now the elite riot control task force is in hot water because they attacked unarmed people including reporters at a peaceful ralley

Spin.

That ram was in use a week and a half ago when I saw it used myself. If we get a search warrant every entry is done with a battering ram unless the suspects open the door within a few seconds, that has not stopped nor will it.

There will be bad apples in all organizations and the LAPD does its best to weed them out as all law enforcement agencies do.

There is no such thing as a riot control task force, that was officers who responded to a tactical alert from other stations.

Your making crap up to prove a point that is ignorant. But that is your prerogative. Just makes you look silly is all.