Trayvon Martin Shooting – A year of drug use culminates in predictable violence…

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This update, like several before it, does not stand alone.  To truly understand the depth of the research and background it is important to have first read Update #26 Part 1.  This Part 2 builds on the previous presentation of Trayvon Martin’s lifestyle choices and drug use connections.

This update is a creation of Treeper “Dedicated Dad“, who deserves full credit for investing numerous hours researching, learning, understanding and fitting the disconnected puzzle pieces together.   What we outline here was right in front of our face the whole time.  Yet we looked past it because we were in a position of ignorance about what we were looking at.  We just didn’t know.     Now however, it all comes together:

Several weeks ago, as further information and discovery came to the surface the whole framing of the original media narrative began to crumble, I stumbled over a reference to “DXM” in Trayvon’s Facebook history.

It’s nagged at me since, at various times popping to the front of my mind when Trayvon’s drug use was mentioned, was quickly lost to other distractions.   A couple of evenings ago it again came to the forefront of consideration.   This time I decided to dig in, do a little research, and see if there might actually be something to it.

What I found was frankly, quite stunning.   So much so that it literally made the hair stand up on the back of my neck.

After further reflection this drug use aspect may actually lead to the greatest understanding, and key, to the whole case.   Understanding exactly where the mindset was of both Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman, and what influences are now readily available and out in the public forum, a number of questions are now finding answers about that evening’s events, most importantly what precipitated and led to Trayvon Martin’s approach toward being questioned by George Zimmerman.

So I suppose I should start by answering the obvious: “what in the heck is Dedicated Dad talking about”, and how would research answer questions about “intent”?

The substance of research was prodded by with this graphic of unknown attribution, dealing with the possibility that Trayvon Martin was not only an illegal drug-user, but possibly a drug-dealer.   (Large file version here)

Go ahead and review the whole thing, because while it most certainly is “controversial” it is also a good substantive fact-based background in Trayvon’s own words.   But, again it is only background,  and more information is needed for the rest of this discussion.  We will highlight some sections of it, from Trayvon Martin’s own words, throughout this explanation because it speaks to a “directional sense” in the lifestyle of an evolving teenager.

As I use these Facebook discussions from Trayvon I’m going to correct the ebonics unless it seems necessary to reference directly to the source.  Otherwise  I’ll do my best to interpret it into something people unfamiliar with nuance within a “cultural language” can understand.

Let’s begin about mid-way down the page on the left-hand side, where Martin says:

unow a connect for codine” or

“do you know of a connection for codeine”?

Trayvon is seeking a source for the prescription drug Codeine. Eventually we learn that he’s not seeking the pill form, but rather a “liquid” form, which he says he’s “had…before.”

His friend responds that he doesn’t NEED codeine – that he can just mix Robitussin and soda to make…

“…some fire @$$ lean.”

Our first question then becomes “What exactly is “lean””?

WHAT IS “LEAN” ?

According to Urban Dictionary, “Lean” is described as follows:

“…  6. Lean is a mixed drink originating in the Southern Rap culture. It is a mixture of Promethazine and Codeine cough syrup and a soft drink such as Sprite (usually). While other soft drinks may be used, Sprite was the original.

[And now also Arizona Watermelon for Watermelon Drank/Lean]

There are some variations of Lean. For example, Promethazine and Codeine syrup is usually Purple in color. But there are other colors of syrup that work the same way. There is a golden-colored syrup (hydrocodone based) and other colors as well.

Lean slows you down. It makes you feel good. It’s meant to be sipped on, and it taste damn good. One of the best feelings you will ever experience. Euphoria with a hint of sedation. …”

Lean is also the drug mixture that killed Pimp C.  nigga pimp c died on an overdose of lean  (urban dictionary descriptive)

OK, so now we know Trayvon is seeking a source for a powerful cough syrup, commonly used in the ”drug culture or circle” to make an intoxicating drink called “Lean” – also known as the infamous “purple drank/Purple Lean/Lean/Sizzurp.”

Purple Lean, or Lean, is an intoxicating beverage also known by the namesleansizzurp, and liquid codeine. It is commonly abused by southern rappers and wannabe suburban teenagers. It is a mixture of Promethazine/Codeine cough syrup and sprite, or other beverage [such as Arizona Watermelon]  with a few jolly ranchers and/or skittles thrown in.

There are your “DXM”  ”Watermelon Lean” Ingredients

Arizona Watermelon Juice purchased from 7-11 included in the Crime Scene Photographsand incorrectly listed/discussed as “Tea” by Benjamin Crump, the media, and even police reporting authorities.

Promethazine with codeine, consumed in such large amounts as is popular with such southern rappers as lil wayneslim thug, and Big Moe, produces an opiate-like high that is potentiated by the Promethazine.

Promethazine by itself will not produce a high. The beverage must be sipped slowly, and not guzzled, in order to avoid unconsciousness and/or life threatening overdose.

But what does this have to do with Robitussin or “DXM”? Trayvon clarifies in his next message:

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That Trayvon was using this ”lean” and that, over time, it turns the user into someone who acts like they are on PCP better explains his aggressiveness than simple pot smoking.
I’ve seen a person on PCP fight off four police.

Perhaps if Barack Obama’s mother had a son he’d act just like Trayvon Martin.

Obama and His Pot-Smoking ‘Choom Gang’

Major Risks of Occasional Use:

Panic Attacks
Psychotic Breaks
Impaired Judgement in Critical Situations (!!)

Risks of Regular Use and Binges:
Mania
Violent Ideations, Antisocial Behavior and Paranoia
Habituation and Psychological Addiction
Tolerance and Physical Addiction
Psychosis
Liver, Kidney and Pancreas Damage

Oh my!

Panic Attacks
Psychotic Breaks
Impaired Judgement in Critical Situations
Mania
Violent Ideations
Antisocial Behavior and
Paranoia

The Dextromethorphan FAQ: Answers to Frequently Asked Questions about DXM

DXM can … turn you into a paranoid, antisocial asshole.

Update: Trayvon Martin’s mom retracts ‘accident’ characterization, says Zimmerman killed him in ‘cold blood’

We believe that George Zimmerman stalked my son and murdered him in cold blood. … My son was profiled, followed and murdered by George Zimmerman, and there was nothing accidental about that.

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How many minutes before the drug-dealer’s best friend, Aye, shows up and calls you a racist for this expose?

You know, it’s funny that this thread isn’t getting any attention from the “usual suspects.”

I mean if Zimmerman is reported to be the bad guy, the left-wingers on this site-Aye, Mata, Greg, etc.- are all over it.

Yet when evidence comes out which incriminates Martin and exonerates Zimmerman no one cares to comment?

Hmmmmm…it just makes you think.

Since you seem desperate for negative attention from me this Memorial Day, I’ll stop to briefly, and just once, educate you on our judicial system, Ivan.

1: Breaking news for you. Martin is the victim, and is not on trial… much as that is a factual inconvenience for those who would rather cheer lead for Zimmerman instead of our judicial system. Zimmerman is the one charged with second degree murder. That you believe Martin deserved a death sentence because you have made up your mind about his character is totally irrelevant. Just says more about you, and those like you, than anything else in particular.

2: There is no “evidence” that is pertinent to that night’s series of events save that which will be presented, in full detail, by both the prosecution and defense. In case you haven’t noticed, they’ve not even had an immunity hearing, let alone a trial. Zimmerman could have been on his meds and Martin could have been stoned out of his mind, but only the explicit details of what came down in the series of events that specific night will be the determining factor for Zimmerman’s guilt or innocence.

3: The only ones who can “exonerate” Zimmerman are a jury of peers…. none of whom have been selected yet to hear evidence and testimony. Therefore I’m going to take the wild leap into assumptions that you aren’t a jury member, already tainted by media reports, and are impotent in all aspects.

“… makes you think” heh… that’s a laugh. Ivan, if thinking were a skill you possessed, I wouldn’t need to waste my time penning this. My suggestion is you cool your jets until a trial and acquittal/conviction. In the meantime, keep your bubbly on ice, or start collecting recipes for crow.

Oh yes… if the definition of “left wing” is celebrating our judicial system at work, then I guess I’ll have to fall into your political class warfare as “left wing”. Unlike you, I do not assume the omnipotent power of being the judge and jury, desirous of usurping our system of laws as laid out by the Founding Fathers.

@MataHarley:

1: Breaking news for you. Martin is the victim,

Really now?

Under a number of factually consistent scenarios Mr. Martin is the aggressor and Mr. Zimmerman is the victim.

Let’s try one of those scenarios out. This scenarios may include assumptions but none of its facts and assumptions are inconsistent with the evidence we are aware of it to date.

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Mr. Martin uses marijuana and/or purple drink in the hours before the shooting.

Mr. Martin is high and his judgment is impaired during his return trip to his dad’s girlfriend’s house from the 7-11.

Mr. Zimmerman observes Mr. Martin acting strange as though Mr. Martin is on drugs and wandering through the neighborhood in the dark, in the rain, without an umbrella.

Mr. Zimmerman calls the 911 police operator.

Mr. Martin sees Mr. Zimmerman and ‘confronts’ Zimmerman the first time while Mr. Zimmerman is in his vehicle speaking to the 911 operator. Mr. Martin circles Mr. Zimmerman’s vehicle observing Mr. Zimmerman using his cellphone. Mr. Martin hears and realizes that Mr. Zimmerman is on his cellphone calling talking to the police.

Mr. Martin flees and seeks to hide.

Mr. Zimmerman follows and watches Mr. Martin. Mr. Zimmerman continues talking to the 911 operator.

Mr. Zimmerman loses sight of Mr. Martin, and at the advice of the 911 operator Mr. Zimmerman stops his pursuit and begins to return to his vehicle.

Mr. Martin does not continue to flee. Mr. Martin does not call his father. Mr. Martin does not call 911 (why bother as Mr. Martin is high).

Mr. Martin calls his girlfriend and fails to tell her all pertinent facts. Mr. Martin in an act of resentment and dangerously bad judgment approaches Mr. Zimmerman from behind. Mr. Martin confronts Zimmerman, assaults Mr. Zimmerman, knocks Mr. Zimmerman to the ground and beats Mr. Zimmerman’s head with a deadly weapon (the concrete sidewalk). The beating continues, Mr. Martin tells Mr. Zimmerman of his intent to kill Mr. Zimmerman.

Mr. Martin finds Mr. Zimmerman’s gun. A struggle ensues over the gun. Mr. Zimmerman regains control of his gun and shoots Mr. Martin at in defense at close range.

Under this scenario Mr. Martin is a dead drug abusing felon. And Mr. Zimmerman IS THE VICTIM and lucky to be alive .

@Mike O’Malley, #7:

Under this scenario Mr. Martin is a dead drug abusing felon.

Trayvon Martin had no criminal record. To have been a felon, he would have to have been convicted of a felony. Having been suspended from school does not meet that definition. (You might want to consider a career in some field other than law.)

Unless you have a tape that shows him selling drugs, there’s no evidence that he was a drug dealer, either. There’s online evidence that he might have liked a gangsta image. (Kids are always truthful about themselves online, of course.)

Canned fruit drinks and Skittles aren’t controlled substances, btw. I hope Robitussin isn’t either, because I just took some to quiet down a cough. I picked up a bad cold somewhere.

Did you know that Zimmerman was not a member of any registered Neighborhood Watch group? That he was not tested for drugs or alcohol, despite the fact that he had just been involved in a fatal shooting? That police reports were subsequently amended to include injuries to Zimmerman that were not part of the original report? That he does have an arrest record?

Is there anybody that isn’t tired of this topic yet? Maybe we could all withhold judgement until the case comes to trial. I’m pretty sure that all sorts of relevant information will surface at that point.

@MataHarley:

Breaking news for you. Martin is the victim, and is not on trial… much as that is a factual inconvenience for those who would rather cheer lead for Zimmerman instead of our judicial system.

1.The prosecution of Zimmerman is 100% political, not criminal. There is a dramatic lack of evidence to even remotely suggest Zimmerman thought out with premeditation the murder of Martin. Yet, there is overwhelming evidence that Zimmerman is the victim of a horrible attack against him, thus the case for self-defense on Zimmerman’s part is much, much stronger than any evidence against him.

Zimmerman could have been on his meds and Martin could have been stoned out of his mind, but only the explicit details of what came down in the series of events that specific night will be the determining factor for Zimmerman’s guilt or innocence.

If Zimmerman was on his meds, that would be evidence AGAINST premeditation. We know Martin was a notorious drug dealer and user of illegal narcotics, an inconvenient truth for the Flopping Aces Lynch Mob (FALM), who are hell-bent-for-leather to see Zimmerman brought-up on some show-trail.

That you believe Martin deserved a death sentence because you have made up your mind about his character is totally irrelevant. Just says more about you, and those like you, than anything else in particular.

That you DON”T believe that Martin was an oxygen thief, who was in desperate need of a dirt-nap for spreading misery and aiding the enemies of our nation (think drug-cartels, Zetas, be-headings, crack-houses, etc.) says more about you than anything else you could possibly write.

The world, and the US, is a better, more vibrant and healthy place when drug-dealers are DEAD. Or do you have some fondness for their likes you would wish to share with us? Perhaps you think Marin has some socially redeeming attributes that our nation will miss so horribly? I’m all ears.

The only ones who can “exonerate” Zimmerman are a jury of peers…. of which have not even been selected yet to hear evidence and testimony.

The ONLY reason Zimmerman is being prosecuted is due to politics, racial ones, not the evidence. The police who investigated this crime said there wasn’t enough evidence to warrant prosecution. We’ve seen the moronic female prosecutor’s case fall apart on an almost weekly basis with the media losing interest in the lynching of Zimmerman as it become apparent that Zimmerman will be exonerated.

then I guess I’ll have to fall into your political class warfare as “left wing”.

Agreed. You’re part of the lynch-mob and you celebrate your participation. Thank you for coming clean about your role in agitating for the political prosecution of Zimmerman.

It’s a pity Aye can’t admit his complicity.

@MataHarley:

My suggestion is you cool your jets until a trial and acquittal/conviction.

My how your tune has changed! You were part of the FALM which demanded prosecution of Zimmerman. No “cool your jets” philosophy there on the FALM’s part.

Now, all of a sudden, we need to take it easy, relax, and let the “system” work. Funny how when the Sanford police captain stated that there wasn’t enough evidence to recommend criminal prosecution of Zimmerman, they system wasn’t “working right.”

So let me get this straight: when the system does something you like, Mata, and the rest of the FALM, we’re supposed to “cool our jets”, but when the system works against you, we’re not supposed to accept the system’s decision and agitate, like a good lynch=mob, for change (and the destruction of a good man’s life in the process).

How Sal Alinsky of you.

@Greg:

Did you know that Zimmerman was not a member of any registered Neighborhood Watch group?

The bull$hit piles up so fast with the FALM you have to have wings to stay above it. The lies are unreal.
Here you go, Greg:

By the Newsletter, Zimmerman was IDENTIFIED as the watch captain.

From the newsletter, Greg:

Neighborhood Watch —

We just held a meeting with the Sanford PD on 9.22.11 and learned many great tips for preventing crime in our community. In attendance on behalf of Sanford Police Department were: Community Volunteer Coordinator, Wendy Dorival, Sergant Herx and Officer Buchannon. Sergeant Herx and Officer Buchannonare both assigned to our neighborhood and announced increased patrol within our neighborhood. In addition to the extra marked patrols, Sanford PD has initiated random bike patrols of both the front and back yards of our community and random unmarked vehicle patrols with increased patrolling during peak crimehours. Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee has pledged his support to our neighborhood and asked to attend thenext Neighborhood Watch community meeting! The Neighborhood Watch is looking for additional members to participate and become a block captains. We are open to all residents. Meetings are held the third Tuesday of each month at 6:30PM in the clubhouse, 30 minutes prior to the scheduled HOA Board meetings. Please keep your eyes open. If you see something suspicious or out of place, report it! You can make an anonymous call to the Sanford PD Non-emergency # 407-688-5199 or 911 and help keep our community safe. Email us at: RTLNeighborhoodWatch@gmail. com for more information or call George Zimmerman at(number redacted)

Greg, Mata, try and keep up with current events or don’t even bother posting about things you don’t know, okay?

@Ivan, #11:

Re: Did you know that Zimmerman was not a member of any registered Neighborhood Watch group?

Greg, Mata, try and keep up with current events or don’t even bother posting about things you don’t know, okay?

An excellent idea.

A statement from The Neighborhood Watch Program/National Sheriffs’ Association:

“The USAonWatch®-Neighborhood Watch Program and National Sheriffs’ Association (NSA), based on recent public media reports, is aware of an incident that occurred late last month, in a Sanford, Florida community, in which a reported “neighborhood watch leader” shot a teenager. The NSA, through its USAonWatch®-Neighborhood Watch program, is committed to making communities, across the country, safer by working with local law enforcement agencies to reduce crime and improve communities for those who live and work there.

“Since 1972, the USAonWatch®-Neighborhood Watch Program (housed within the National Sheriffs’ Association) has worked to unite law enforcement agencies, private organizations, and individual citizens in a nation-wide effort to reduce crime and improve local communities. The success of the program has established Neighborhood Watch as the nation’s premier crime prevention and community mobilization program. More than 25,000 Neighborhood Watch groups, across the country, are currently registered with the USAonWatch®-Neighborhood Watch registry. Our nation is built on the strength of our citizens. USAonWatch® empowers citizens to become active partners in community, crime-fighting efforts, through participation in Neighborhood Watch groups.

NSA has no information that indicates that the community where the incident occurred has ever registered with USAonWatch®-Neighborhood Watch program. Neighborhood Watch is based on the premise that the role of watch groups is only to serve as the eyes and ears of law enforcement. We encourage individual groups to work directly with their local law enforcement agencies to develop procedures for reporting suspicious activities. At no time, do we advocate any intervention actions by any watch group or individual.

He seems to have been a group of one, registered with nobody. Of course he’d had “little cards” printed up, and got mentioned in some sort of newsletter. He might have even got himself a special hat. Screening or training of any sort is far more doubtful.

@Greg:

Trayvon Martin had no criminal record. To have been a felon, he would have to have been convicted of a felony.

No, that would be a convicted felon In my hypothetical scenario is that of an actual felon.

Fel·on 1 (f l n) n. 1. Law One who has committed a felony. 2. Archaic An evil person.

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I find it odd, indeed I find it telling, Greg that you voice no objection to Sybrina Fulton’s pre-judicial, indeed pre-arrest, declaration of George Zimmerman’s actual guilt as a murderer. Yet you quibble over my hypothetical scenario. Odd wouldn’t you say?

Re: #13:

George Zimmerman shot and killed her son. What would anyone expect a young man’s mother to say?

Fel·on 1 (f l n) n. 1. Law One who has committed a felony. 2. Archaic An evil person.

Possession and use of large quantities of OxyContin, hydrocodone, and Lorcet without proper prescriptions is a felony offense. Obtaining them by doctor shopping and fraud is also a felony offense. Perhaps for the sake of consistency we should always be careful to say the drug addict and felon Rush Limbaugh. Although Rush has never been spotted purchasing Skittles and canned fruit drinks, there was certainly much more evidence of felonious, drug-related activities than in the case of Trayvon Martin.

Yes Mike #13 under your game that would be the “drug addict and felon Rush Limbaugh” and “drug addict and felon George Zimmerman” How does that sound?

@Greg:

George Zimmerman shot and killed her son.

If she had been a good, decent mother, instead of raising a dope-peddler, her boy wouldn’t be dead.

Lay off the stupid pill, Greg.

@Richard Wheeler:

Yes Mike #13 under your game that would be the drug addict and felon Rush Limbaugh and drug addict and felon George Zimmerman How does that sound?

It sounds like you are bitter.

@Greg:

Re: #13:

George Zimmerman shot and killed her son. What would anyone expect a young man’s mother to say?

For starters might one would expect hope that any such mother would mourn her lost son without resorting to lynch mob demagoguery? Might one would hope that any such mother would mourn her lost son without making vindictive (apparently) unsupportable charges of murder? And IF her son were indeed high on lean and/or marijuana at the time he assaulted and tried to kill an innocent an watchman, as the evidence at this time suggests, one might hope that she and her ex-husband would he worthy and strong enough to apologize to the Zimmerman family for the grief their son has caused the Zimmermans. … IF …

@Mike O’Malley:

Might one would hope that any such mother would mourn her lost son without making vindictive (apparently) unsupportable charges of murder?

Excellent points. The FALM is completely understanding of all and every transgression made by the Martin flam-flam family who are looking to cash-in on their son’s death.

The only true hero here is Zimmerman. He is being excoriated without the benefit of a trial. Obama and his confederates in the media, including the FALM, have tried and convicted him.

I say phuck them. If more Americans, of all races and backgrounds, took a stand like he did against the drug-dealers America would be a better place.

@Ivan, #19:

Zimmerman’s personal website brought in $204,000 in contributions before he took it down.

His attorney has put up a new website to publicly promote his cause. He stated on the new website’s rationale page that they intended to raise more money still.

Now they are doing so. The statement at the bottom indicates money collected is being used for George’s living expenses as well as his defense. (Presumably defense costs include attorney fees. Attorneys have living expenses, too.)

Hero? He shot and killed an unarmed kid. Perhaps the court will find it a justifiable homicide, but it’s a hell of a stretch from getting off a murder charge to hero status.

Of course, much of that is in the mind of the audience. Maybe some people think they’ve found a New and Improved Joe the Plumber, armed with a handgun instead of a pipewrench. Hopefully they haven’t found a role model.

Methinks Ivan has been employing the fallacy of taking a somewhat logical position to the point of absurdity, thereby exposing its weaknesses.
No one is a demon in this and no one is an angel, Ivan.
We get it.

@Greg:

Zimmerman’s personal website brought in $204,000 in contributions before he took it down.

So what? Have you ever heard of a “Legal Defense Fund.” BFD.

The statement at the bottom indicates money collected is being used for George’s living expenses as well as his defense. (Presumably defense costs include attorney fees. Attorneys have living expenses, too.)

Good for him! In the eyes of a majority of Americans, Zimmerman is a f*cking hero, something you’ll never understand as you’re for the scum of America: Drug users, drug dealers and the politicians who pander to them. In short, Greg, GFY.

Hero? He shot and killed an unarmed kid.

Boo-f*cking-hoo. This, “kid” was a zombie, an oxygen thief and I sleep better knowing that he’s taking a nice, sweet dirt-nap. Sanford, FL is a better, safer place now with him gone.

Perhaps the court will find it a justifiable homicide, but it’s a hell of a stretch from getting off a murder charge to hero status.

Maybe you and your boyfriend sit up at night paying homage to the drug-dealing piece of human fecal matter Trayvon. Maybe not. In fact, I don’t care. What I do care about is there is coming a time when all debts will be paid in full in this country, with interest. 😉

Martin was the first to meet “street justice.” I hope more and more Americans rise up and punish the drug-dealers. I hope those in the black commuinity will rise up and say,”ENOUGH”.

Of course, much of that is in the mind of the audience. Maybe some people think they’ve found a New and Improved Joe the Plumber, armed with a handgun instead of a pipewrench. Hopefully they haven’t found a role model.

It’s not “Joe the plumber”, you putz, it’s Paul Benjamin.

😉

@Nan G:

Methinks Ivan has been employing the fallacy of taking a somewhat logical position to the point of absurdity, thereby exposing its weaknesses.

Nope. I stand by my posts. I’m sick of the criminal trash, like Jessie Jackson and Martin, telling us to how to run our lives or that we must live in fear.

IVAN
WE ARE BEING ATTACK BY LIBTARD, THEY ARE NOT HERE TO SALUTE.
NO THEY ARE HERE TO ACCUSE AN INNOCENT, AND ARE THROWING THE STONES
TO KILL HIM SLOWLY WITH EACH ONE OF THEIR STONE,
THEY MUST HAVE TAKEN THE ANCIENT RULE OF LAPIDATING A PERSON THEY HAVE DECLARE GUILTY WITHOUT ANY PROOF LIKE THE ANCIENT IGNORANTS HUMAN DID.CHECK IT UP, ALL WEAPONS OUT TO CHASE THEM OUT AND RETURN THEM TO THEIR CAGE.

@Greg:

Zimmerman’s personal website brought in $204,000 in contributions before he took it down. The statement at the bottom indicates money collected is being used for George’s living expenses as well as his defense. (Presumably defense costs include attorney fees. Attorneys have living expenses, too.)

Well what do you know! Who would have thought that competent private defense counsel might … you know … have to be paid for with private funding! Who knew!

And the entire Zimmerman family living in hiding because the New Black Panthers put a contract out on them! It’s not like the Zimmermans are rolling in $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ since thanks to the Martin family both Mr. and Mrs. Zimmerman have lost their jobs!

@Greg:

Hero? He shot and killed an unarmed kid.

Dude! Get a grip. Trayvon Martin was with little doubt a criminal. There is the illegal drug use, the assault on a bus driver, evidence of burglary and of drug dealing on school property. But 6’3″ tall Trayvon Martin was not “unarmed” in as much as he was reported to have been assaulting and battering George Zimmerman with a deadly weapon, the concrete sidewalk. That is in substance much the same as swinging a baseball bat into the head of a police office whose revolver is holstered.

The concrete sidewalk like the baseball bat is a deadly weapon. Martin in substance was armed as if he had that baseball bat.

Moreover since he attacked George Zimmerman believing Zimmerman to be equipped with only a flashlight and a cell phone, Trayvon Martin perhaps for a moment in substance but if we have the facts right certainly did intend to attack and kill an unarmed smaller man with a deadly weapon. George Zimmerman may only have survived because Trayvon Martin was mistaken about whether Zimmerman was unarmed.

@Mike O’Malley:

George Zimmerman may only have survived because Trayvon Martin was mistaken about whether Zimmerman was unarmed.

This bears repeating. Zimmerman is dead without the firearm. Of course, since the press isn’t interested in a black man killing a quasi-white person, we’d never know about it (happens all the time).

Thanks you Mike for pointing this out!

Anyone who “dislikes” me on this post is a scum-dog also.

Mike O’ Malley
yes absolutely right, GZ would have needed just a few more bashing
and he would have died of brain contusions, it was already bleeding hard.
thank you

Anyone who dogged me in post #27 identify yourself.

Cowards.

IVAN
don’t worry about the coward, it’s the coward at work
for all our side, and not worth our time to be upset.
I’v got your back

Ivan:
I’m your huckleberry………I’ve read your posts and I find you repulsive. So in addition to hating black teenagers and accusing Aye of being a “race traitor” (whatever that means. Are you a skinhead or something?) what else you got tiger? I mean really let it out…all the hate and the bile. Come on Ivan let us really see what an asshat you really are. Oh wait too late. We already know.

You are precious you really are.

Your biggest fan.
Ron H.

Ivan the terrible:
In case you missed what I was saying, I “dogged” you in post #27.
Do you wear one of those pointy hats or just wrap yourself in the confederate flag?

Just curious honky tonk.

Ron H.

Ron h.
so you are the one playing the game on all of the one supporting ZIMMERMAN innocence,
SO YOU JUMP TO THE CONCLUSION THAT THIS IS RACIST?
SHAME ON YOU, THEIR IS NO RACIST HERE, BUT YOU ALONE
HEY BY THE WAY, ZIMMERMAN HAS ONE RELATIVE BLACK, SO
WHAT WAS YOUR SPIT ABOUT AGAIN?

ilovebeeswarzone:
Your comment made no sense to me sorry. Brush up on your English and stop typing in all caps. It’s really annoying. Ivan has made comments that I construe as racist. Example: calling Aye a race traitor. That is usually what a racist calls a person who takes up for someone of the opposite race. I realize you are FA’s resident cheerleader and sycophant but really Bees some things you should stay out of. Don’t you have any other hobbies or is posting incessantly on FA the only thing you have going in your life? Seriously do you have anything else?

Oh and Bees,
Last time I checked you are Canadian so do me a favor keep your trap shut with regard to me. I’m not interested in what a foreigner has to say about American politics or current events. Your country is the epitome of socialism so you know clean your own house before commenting on what goes on here in the good ole’ USA., and again English lessons…your posts more often than not make no sense whatsoever so I just quit reading them. At first I thought you were mentally challenged until I realized that you just can’t speak or write English very well.

Ron h.
you are not mentally equip to tell me what I should do, or say, or not type,
I have been here more than you did, and you don’t impress as being the one to decide on my decisions to comment, here we have CURT WHO IS RUNNING THE BLOG, KEEP THAT IN MIND THAT HE IS THE ONE WHO DECIDE WHO CAN COMMENT,
you do go lower and you are a despicable small as a worm, in my garden.to comment on
my efforts to type the language properly because I improved and continue to give my opinions,
weather you like it or not, glad to know YOU DON’T READ ME, BUT I hope you read this one,
you want me to disappear because you don’t dig my rhetoric, but guess what, I’m here for a lifetime,
because I love decent people who respect other, but not the worms, and don’t insult the regulars here,
they are better than you.

Ron h.
hey dude, if you still giving yourself the like and giving other the dislike,
I will match you on all of them, now that you came out of the shadow,
I’m sure glad IVAN ask the coward to come out. now we know who is the coward here.
get mad as hell and he will come to get you.

@Ron h.:

So in addition to hating black teenagers

If you’re trying to say I dislike/hate black teenagers, please, I beg you, show me where I said this? Because I despise a black drug-dealer that means I hate all blacks??? Are you honestly trying to say that?

and accusing Aye of being a “race traitor” (whatever that means. Are you a skinhead or something?)

Given that Aye made the valid point of saying,”You don’t know what race I belong to”, I ask you to tell me which race I was saying he betrayed.

Just curious honky tonk.

Typical left-wing racist.

@ilovebeeswarzone:

I’m sure glad IVAN ask the coward to come out. now we know who is the coward here.

Ha! Go after that BEE-ATCH, Ron H, Beez!!!!

Ron, you just got owned.

Bees and Ivan Take a look at Nan’s #21, so far universally approved, and tell me what you think. Thanks

I dogged #21.

Richard Wheeler
you know there is a time for everything, and each deserve it’s own time,
changing subject, I did cut out a clip on a news paper, about a military second name WHEELER,
HIS WIFE BETTY WHEELER, HE WAS FOUND TO HAVE DONE HEROIC ACTIONS ON PAST WAR,
which was never publicly know before,all those many years, and now identified with only a bone
found,lately and because of that only bone as evidence DNA, he is now brought back in AMERICA FROM CANADA to his resting place among the old warriors resting place,
I don’t have that cut out at hand now, but I can find it in a basket where I put it with interesting stories to ask you if you could be related to that super hero, where it is describe his actions on that paper,
more precise.
I thought you would like to know,and check if you are related.
bye
and yes I know how smart Nan is and well read, and appreciate

Ivan:
I got owned? Please. A coward is someone who hides or avoids conflict. I came out in the open about my disgust for you so I hope this clears things up for you champ. Bees is a sycophantic little Canadian who want to act like she’s apart of what goes on here. Well she isn’t.

Your reading and writing comprehension is as bad as Bees. And of course being the moron that you are you trot out the “Typical left-wing racist” meme. I’ve been posting on here for years and I can assure you I’m no leftist but you keep believing whatever you want you racist. Yeah I called you a racist……if the shoe fits.

Bees: Couldn’t understand a word of your jibberish. Sorry you’ll have to do better if you want to be understood. How is socialism working out for you up there ehhhh?

Bees Wheeler is a pretty common English name. Probably not related, but thanks.

Seems pretty hard to O.K. Nan’s #21 and Ivan’s.

Ron H.
I UNDERSTAND HOW YOU FEEL WITH ALL THE ENTITLEMENTS
SHOVED IN THE PEOPLE’S BUSYNESS,
BUT DON’T PICK ON YOUR NEIGHBOR WHICH ARE CONSERVATIVES MAJORITY,
and you believe that the restrictions are set for not allowing other countries citizens to
comment on the many blogs they choose as partner and friends,
yes your mindset is of a person defeated by the rules of a GOVERNMENT WHO
IS OF COMMUNIST INFLUENCE, BUT INSTEAD OF YOU CLAIMING TO BE CONSERVATIVE
AND COMING HERE TO BASH ON THE SAME GOOD TOLERANT CONSERVATIVES,
WHY DON’T YOU USE YOUR ENERGY TO DEFEAT THE TYRANT IDEOLOGY OF THE LEFT,
UNLESS YOU ARE NOT WHAT YOU CLAIM TO BE,
I THINK YOU ARE AN IMPOSTOR AND ALWAYS MAKING TROUBLE NEGATIVE REPLIES ON ANYONE YOU COME ACROSS HERE, I THINK YOU ARE AN S. O. B. OF THE WORSE KIND,
I remember the insults on AYE, coming from you not so long ago, how could we forget, the nastyness
and deliberated shout from a miserable you in desperate last breath being defeated on this BLOG.
WE CAN BE TOLERANT IF WE KNOW THAT ONE IS SICK, BUT WHEN IT IS MEANT TO HURT, THERE IS NO MERCY NEEDED

NOW I MUST GET BACK WITH THE POST thread

Bees:
Sorry still gibberish. Perhaps type fewer words and stick to smaller words. Try this, “Me angry at you Ron H. You very bad”. That’s more your speed Bees. And I notice you post constantly on here, I mean to the point of absurdity. Do you have a job? Hobbies? Is this what you do all day? That’s well kind of sad really.

Also, funny how in your narrow little mind you only seem to notice when I attack others on FA but you seem to hide your little head in the sand when I’m the one being attacked.Typical of a mindless cheerleader.

Pathetic.

Ron H.
ME ANGRY AT YOU CAUSE YOU VERY BAD.
don’t be sad, for me
I’m very busy on many useful actions, but I love my blog.
and don’t count on me if you are attack, CAUSE I will come in
at the end to finish it, with the last knock out punch,
one two three four five KO

Bees:
Marry me………I can make you happy. I eat lots of yogurt and love old Golden Girl episodes. Plus I can sing any Barry Manilow song as I’ve memorized them all.

Just think about it.

Ron H.
no, cause I would get tired of having to beat you up every day,
we are not compatible

Bees:
You enjoy beating me up admit it. You get just as much of a kick out of it as I do. Nothing breaks up the day like a little verbal jousting. Let me clear my throat……

I remember all my life
Raining down as cold as ice
A shadow of a man
A face through a window
Crying in the night
The night goes into

Morning, just another day
Happy people pass my way
Looking in their eyes
I see a memory
I never realized
How happy you made me, oh Mandy

Well you came and you gave without taking
And I sent you away, oh Mandy
And you kissed me and stopped me from shaking
And I need you today, oh Mandy

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Mandy…….yes that just happened.

Richard Wheeler
this is a fantastic story, his name of the AIRMAN IS POLLARD, THE ONLY RECOVERED VICTIM OF 5
FROM THE SO CALLED BROKEN ARROW INCIDENT OF 1950, WHEN A CRIPPLED US BOMBER36
DROPPED AN ATOMIC BOMB INTO THE PACIFIC OCEAN, BEFORE CRASHING INTO A BRITISH COLUMBIA
MOUNTAIN TOP, THE REMAINS OF AN AMERICAN AIRMAN FOUND 60 YEARS AGO HAVE BEEN LAID TO REST ALONG WITH one of the COLD WAR ENDURING MISTERIES IN A POIGNANT MEMORIAL DAY
CEREMONY IN SAN FRANCISCO, A FEW SMALL BONES FROM THE BODY OF US AIRFORCE STAFF SGT ELBERT W POLLARD,WHERE ENTERRED IN THE PRESENCE OF HIS DAUGHTER 64 YEAR OLD
BETTY WHEELER, SHE HAD LEARNED JUST A FEW MONTHS AGO THANK’S TO
ADVANCED DNA TESTING THAT A MAN’S FOOT AND PARACHUTE PLUCKED FROM COASTAL WATERS
BY A BRITISH COLUMBIA FISHERMAN IN 1952 BELONGED TO HER FATHER,
POLLARD A DECORATED VETERAN OF THE SECOND WORLD WAR,AND A US AIRFORCE GUNNER,
AT THE HEIGHT OF THE COLD WAR WAS ONE OF 17 AIRMEN INVOLVED IN A SIMULATED
SOVIET ATTACK ON SAN FRANCISCO ON FEBRUARY 13 1950, BUT THEIR MAMOTH B 36 BOMBER
CARRYING AN MK-4 NUCLEAR BOMB EN ROUTE TO CALIFORNIA, FROM AN AIR BASE IN ALASKA,
WAS DISABLED BY AN ICE BUILT UP IN STORMY WHEATHER APPROCHING BC’ QUEEN CHARLOTTE ISLANDS, THE BOMB WHICH CONTAINED 5 TONNES OF CONVENTIONAL EXPLOSIVES AND
SOME UNENRICHED URANIUM, BUT NOT THE PLUTANIUM CORE OF A FULLY ARM NUCLEOR
DEVICE WAS DROPPED AND EXPLODED OVER THE OCEAN BEFORE THE CREW BAILED OUT
OF THE FAILLING AIRCRAFT, IT EVENTUALY CRASHED INTO MOUN KOLOGET
NEAR STUART B.C. ABOUT 500 KILOMETRESNORTH OF VANCOUVER, NEAR THE SOTHERN TIP
OF THE ALASKAN PANHANDLE, THE CRASH SITE NOW PROTECTED BY THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENT BECAUSE OF ITS SIGNIFICANCE IN COLD WAR HISTORY AS GIVEN RISE OVER THE DECADES TO BOTH SCHOLARY RESEARCH AND WILD CONSPIRACY THEORIES ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF A LOST ABOMB ON CANADIAN SOIL
CANADIAN COLD WAR HISTORIAN JOHN CLEARWATER WHO CURATED THE 2007 “LOST NUKE”
EXIBIT ABOUT THE INCIDENT AT THE WESTERN CANADA AVIATION MUSEUM IN WINIPEG
SAID AT THE TIME THAT THE B 36 CRASH WAS A CRUCIAL EVENT, BOTH FOR UNDERSTANDING THE NUCLOR AGE AND CANADA’S ROLE IN IT, 12 OF THE MEN FROM THE DOOMED B36
PARACHUTED TO SAFETY AND WHERE LATER RESCUED BY A FISHING BOAT AND A ROYAL CANADIAN NAVY WARSHIP BUT 5 OTHER INCLUDING POLLARD WHERE LOST,
PRESUMED DROWNED OR KILLED IN DIFFICULT LANDING ALONG THE REMOTE AND RUGGED BC SHORE,
IN 1952 FISHERMAN IN WATERS OF THE QUEEN CHARLOTTESNAGED A PARACHUTE AND A MILITARY ISSUED BOOTH COUNTAINING A MEN’S LEFT FOOT BONES IT WAS RAPATRIATED IN THE USA
AND THOUGH NOT LINK TO A SPECIFIC INDIVIDUAL WAS BURRIED AT A MILLITARY CEMETERY
IN ST LOUS IN A CEREMONY COMMOMORATING POLLARD AND THE FOUR OTHER AIRMEN,
IN 2001 THE FAMILY REQUESTED THE TEST TO BE DONE IT FAILED TO IDENTIFIED THE INDIVIDUAL. BUT RECENTLY ADVANCED SCIENTIFIC TEST IDENTIFIED THE BOOT AND PARACHUTE TO BELONG TO POLLARD, BETTY WHEELER WANTED TO HAVE HER FATHER BURRIED IN PRESIDIO
SHESAID BECAUSE SHE FOUND THE BEAUTIFUL PLACE FOR HAVING FOUND BACK HER FATHER
THE B36 WAS GOING INTO TEXAS AFTER THE PLANNED MOCK ATTACK ON SAN FRANCISCO,
BETTY WHEELER LIVE NEAR SACRAMENTO CALIFORNIA SHE ATTENDE THE BURIAL
WITH FULL MILITARY HONOURS AT THE US NATIONAL CEMETERY
A HISTORY SAN FRANCISCO MILITARY COMPOUND WITHIN SIGHT OF THE GOLDEN GATE BRIDGE,
HERE THE FANTASTIC STORY, I DID CUT AT THE END ONLY BUT COULD NOT CUT THE STORY ITSELF BECAUSE IT IS A TRUE IN HISTORY OF THE PAST COLD WAR TIMES
BEST TO YOU