In the summer of 2009, when the outrage over the Democrats’ emerging health care reform bills was at its height, former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin was excoriated by the left for saying:
“The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama’s ‘death panel’ so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their ‘level of productivity in society,’ whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil.”
The roiling debate over the HHS decision to mandate universal coverage for contraceptive services takes us back to Palin’s remarks.
Obamacare requires health plans to offer certain benefits, like contraception services, annual physicals, vaccinations, and breastfeeding “support and supplies,” with no co-pay, co-insurance, or deductible. The benefits themselves are not the problem — wellness and prevention services are absolutely critical to reining in health care costs and contraception services should be available for those who want them, which they are. (I keep hearing how 98% of Catholics use birth control. Doesn’t this prove that access to contraception isn’t a problem?)
What’s dangerous about these mandates is that they give government the power to decide whether you’ll purchase insurance, who and what will be covered by that insurance, and if businesses are offering good enough insurance.
President Gerald Ford once said, “A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have.” For now, the government is giving — or requiring businesses to give — more health services to Americans through subsidies, mandates, and other means. But Obamacare, which grants the HHS secretary 1,968 new or expanded powers, also gives the government the power to take.
My dream ticket last election was Palin and Gulliani. but wow, the hate mongers really defaced her! Also, funny you never heard about bo quitting his Senate seat, but over and over about Gov Palin quitting!
Jim B re#1 Palin was virtually unknown outside Alaska when plucked last minute by Mac as Veep nom. Consensus reasoning was to fire up the base and attract Hillary Dems. Obviously she’d made no attempt to secure POTUS nom.
BHO quit Senate seat AFTER he was elected POTUS. Palin quit Governorship in midtern.Reason??? re #3 Frivolous lawsuits made her quit. I thought her tougher. Undefeated? What about Veep run?
But of course he did. You think he’d give up a cushy position? Especially for a job he spent very little time on before launching his bid for POTUS? Literally, he came into that body in Jan 2007, and by December felt himself quite qualified to be leader of the free world. Considering the session breaks of Congress, he was on the job what… 150 days or so?
Considering my archives on the Palin TrooperGate and Alinsky Perfected series, you’d think you would know better than to make such a faux pas, rich. There is a difference between the frivolous lawsuits (I believe two at that time) against Palin personally, and the continued onslaught and abuse of the Alaskan ethics complaint system, that was causing the taxpayers $2 mil to investigate… and all for naught. Palin’s enemies were, in effect, using the taxpayers to finance their smear campaign via the states ethics complaint system…. thus the reason I titled the documenting of the Palin complaints “Alinsky Perfected”. How perfect to smear politicians via Alinsky tactics, and use taxpayers money to do it to boot.
Because you couldn’t limit the amount of frivolous accusations by the citizens… tho it was obvious it was a tight knit group that took turns… there was no way to cease the political smear machine and game playing. The future looked pretty bleak for investigative costs for the remaining of her term. If they spent a couple of mil over 5-7 months time, how much do you think the bill would come to by the end of her term?
Considering the drain on the state finances and time wasted having to deal with the political disgruntled on a personal vendetta (as most were), in tandem with governing, Palin’s resignation saved the state’s taxpayers beaucoup bucks for the non stop complaints. Additionally the state could then have a governor who had the luxury of staying focused on the state’s business, instead of responding to investigations 24/7. I’d say they owe her a thank you for putting the fiscal piggy bank of the state over her personal career as Governor.
The way I understood it was She had about 15 frivolus lawsuits and decided that she was spending too much time away from her duties as Governor. They were all dismissed or not gulity. just like nothing bad was found in her emails. Yet she continues to get bashed! She’s Undefeated!!! re: She didn’t quite cause she isn’t though, she resigned cause her time was not being devoted to her elected duties. If she would have used her time in office to campaign for Veep, that would have taken away from her elected duties and would have been wrong.
This might be the first presidential election where we’ll be seeing reruns of attack ads from the previous presidential election.
So looks like Palin was defeated twice. First as failing to become VP and then running away from her elected position as Governor of Alaska. If her detractors wanted to remove her by using the ethics lawsuits then surely that plan worked.
Jim B. S.P. resigned July 2009 long after her failed Veep run.Is everyone enjoying her regular fireside chats on FOX.? She looks awesome. That Alaskan winter tan makes me jealous down here in So.Cal.
Mata Deducting Sarah’s time spent campaigning for Veep and caribou hunting, how many days did She spend as Gov.?
I agree her quitting saved Alaskan’s some money and it was a Great financial move for the budding author,guest speaker and T.V. commentator.
For the record Obama took office as the junior Senator fron Illinois on Jan.3rd 2005.
@Jim B: Jim B She didn’t occupy space in office or rob others of oxygen by voting present!
I’d say this is a remarkably stupid comment, but then I’d have to apologize to stupid people everywhere. The sentence fragments and punctuation errors are matched only by the inanity of the content. Apparently GAFFA did not get the opportunity to read Mata’s post immediately prior to his, which lays out in perfect detail Palin’s justification, as well as the virtual necessity, of her resigning from the Governorship in order to save her family and the state the millions it would have cost to fight off the phony ethic complaints.
But you already know this. You just want to pee in the swimming hole.
@Ariel
Wow looks like you really missed my point there didn’t you? It’s pretty undeniable that Palin was defeated in her efforts to be VP. Secondly, let’s assume that Palin, resigned for completely the right reasons – that point is IRRELEVANT to the separate point that if her detractors were trying to force her out then guess what, they succeeded! She let them defeat her so she could cry all the way to the bank. Looks like your grasp of logic is as bad as my grammar.
As for grammar you might want to check up on Palin’s use of grammar and habit of making up words – along with former US Presidents. lol:D
I traveled over 1,000 miles to see Sarah Palin when she was going to do the Glen Beck “Restore Honor” rally. Two days on a bus with other people who wanted to see her, as well. But I am soooooo over her now.
So shall we inject a little honesty into the Sarah Palin discussion?
Sarah Palin was an absolute shot in the arm for McCain’s campaign. But he didn’t choose her because she was some political genius; he chose her because she was dynamic. And she was. She could rally a crowd like no one else during that time.
But let’s not kid ourselves about why she resigned. She got a better gig.
Yes, she was spending time away from her office as governor, but no more so than she has spent away from that office during the presidental campaign. And yes, the state was having to pick up some of the tab for the investigations, but she was having to pick up the tab for her own legal fees. Now, perhaps MataHarley has different information, but I don’t remember anything being reported about how her lawyers were screaming to get paid or how the citizens of Alaska were demanding her resignation. By the time Palin resigned, she had already sealed her book deal with a handsome advance that was well within the range of being able to pay off her lawyers. And to give the excuse that she was being Alinskied, simple says “Well, she didn’t have the cajones to tough it out.” And she didn’t.
But the tooth fairy showed up and her new gig was better paying. And who was that tooth fairy? None other than Bapoal Coale, Greta Van Sustern’s husband who negotiated the deal between Palin and Fox to make Palin a Fox talking head. And golly gee, Coale was willing to throw in a bus to sweeten the deal so Palin could travel around trying to increase her importance. (remember the bus tour? Yeah, that was thanks to Coale) And who is Bapoal Coale? Well, he is an infamous tort lawyer that sued his own tailor and makes all other tort lawyers look like Boy Scouts.
The citizens of Alaska put their trust in Sarah Palin by electing her to office. And how did she repay them? She quit, and put her Lt. Governor, a lobbyist, in her stead. She was not the first politician the left has ever gone after, and she will not be the last but most don’t just give up being top dog in an important state like Alaska. She did.
And now what? After stringing her followers around for months with her “Maybe I will, maybe I won’t run” she now is hedging her bets again, not willing to endorse a candidate but saying she wants to see the primary continue. Yeah, right. Michelle Bachmann and Rick Perry learned quickly what Sarah Palin is now like, a woman who seems to have become impressed with her perceived self-importance.
I can’t believe anyone cares a whit what Palin has to say anymore. She has just become Karl Rove in a jogging suit.
Retire05 I applaud your absolute clarity. I see Mata emerging as she questions Sarah’s faltering support of Newt. J.G? I know you’re an admirer. Her cult following ranks with Obama’s
Matters naught and she cares not for her disappointed minions cause as retireo5 points out; She’s laughing all the way to the bank.
@Richard Wheeler:
One, I seriously doubt you are applauding retire05’s “clarity”. Knowing your dislike for Palin, it’s more likely that you are only applauding retire05 because of the tenor of his posting and the fact that when weighed, it’s negative towards her.
Two, while I am disappointed that Sarah Palin chose not to run for President this year, I can understand her unwillingness to put her family through what most certainly would be a very trying time, considering the loony tunes characters that have already harassed her and her family.
@Richard Wheeler:
Richard Wheeler, make no mistake, I have nothing against Sarah Palin and I don’t have a candidate that I am supporting. When it comes to the four GOPers left standing, they all are unacceptable in my book. I simply don’t think she holds any importance, no more than any other talking head or pundit in today’s modern media. What she says, one way or another, matters not to me.
I guess the final straw for me was the Ames, Iowa straw vote. It was clear that was going to be Michele Bachmann’s moment (and probably only moment) but Palin showed up and stayed for two days and she appeared to be trying to steal Bachmanns thunder, as she criticized those who were running and played coy about her own entry into the race.
I almost wish she had run. She would have learned that she is not a popular as she seems to think she is. Another thing that turns me off are her fans. If you dare say anything that doesn’t remotely canonize her, they attack as badly as any Ron Paul supporter.
I write, I write alot. I read, I also read alot and find Sarah Palin’s topics, information and sentence structure A.B.C, accurate – brief – concise. There are several bon mots which hit home runs over most simpletons heads; i.e., “death panels’, “bullet trains to bankrupsy”, “Game On!”. In Metterich nation-state politics all involved are to possess cognitive sense of place so when a nation’s chief says 57 states when his place is 50 states signals the others to reexamine their knowledge of geography. Such genius, little did I realize that the Von Trapp family actually spoke Austrian. Universal, the cretins wishing nationalized-socialized health care services actually want easy inexpensive access to their qualudes, ecstacy, methodone, cocaine, pain killers and other mind twisting addictive narcotics and would selfishly ration their drug cravings over those of real patients bona-fide medical needs.
If Sarah Palin showed up and stole Bachman’s thunder, doesn’t look like she had much.
What is the big fricking deal with the envious jealousy when it comes to someone making a buck. Aren’t the damn unions busting the balls of this country with their every increasing “I want more, it’s not enough”, but when someone, say Sarah Palin has a chance to make the nasty stuff so many can’t get enough of, ah well that makes her every foul thing you can think to call her.
It’s really amazing the things someone will throw a person under the bus for. She’s for this country, The United States of America, and that makes her good with me. She speaks the truth, isn’t that what every one wants? Perhaps not.
While I like Sarah, I believe the left did such an effective hatchet job on her she would have no chance of winning the nomination let alone the presidency.
I’m surprised Ivan isn’t on this thread. It brought out the other SPDS sufferers like rich and Gaffe UK. Sorry rich, things have changed. Strong intelligent women get to think for themselves, work, and (gasp) even vote! You’ll just have to get used to that.
@Jim B, you can learn the details of Palin’s ethics complaints… from TrooperGate until two more were filed even after her resignation in my TrooperGate and Alinsky Perfected series. Never really did finish it all up tidy with the final “dismissed” complaints, as we had all moved on. It probably defaults to the latest posts first, so you may have to back track thru the “older posts” links at the bottom to get to any particular era of the complaints… 22 I believe was the last count.
But at the time two more complaints had been filed after her resignation, the costs to the taxpayers was just shy of $1.9 million. There were additional costs with the later complaints/investigations not added to that tally, so it’s probably likely to be hovering right about the $2 mil mark.
As for the death panels, I contend, and Paul Ryan agrees, that the death panels have always been the IMAB (the Medicare Board/panel) who are empowered to “make suggestions” to keep the Medicare costs in line, and can only be stopped by a joint resolution within a very short time frame after their reports. They will be slashing payments to stay in budget, and Medicare providers will be slashing what they provide to accommodate for the lesser pricing… if they stay a medicare provider at all.
Palin was correct. There was a death panel. It just wasn’t the payment for end of life counseling everyone was in an uproar over back them. But when you get the masses off the beaten path, following the latest hot topic, they tend to overlook the real problem. Once the end of life took hold, you couldn’t get any one interested enough to talk about the Medicare Board and these unelected appointees with serious power.
Thanks for the correction, rich…. I shifted Obama’s fast track to leader of the free world two years back.
He took the oath in the Senate in Jan 2005, and announced his exploratory POTUS committee in Jan 2007. Therefore, assuming he was in DC and at the Capitol for every day the Congress was in session, he actually served 304 days before feeling he was qualified to be leader of the free world. I stand corrected.
Whew… I feel *sooooo* much better with those extra days on the job… LOL
He missed almost a quarter of all the roll call votes (314 out of 1300) he should have participated in as a Senator representing IL. But then that’s because he served for 304 Senate days, then hit the road on the POTUS campaign. I guess IL didn’t feel like they needed a Senator for a couple of years, eh?
@MataHarley:
Mata, those extra days must be what allowed him to handle everything so well as president.
@dee: NO, most people do not want to know the truth because it confliccts with their view of reality. To quote a famous actor in a famous role, “You can’t handle the truth!” That applies to most liberals. When the truth conflicts with their ideals, they do not want to hear the truth.
Hard Right I’m with the strong Conserv. and former Palin supporter retireo5 on this.Sarah is out strictly for herself.
She does look FABULOUS with that iridescent tan.
Far as strong intelligent women I’ll take Condi or Hillary.
@dee:
Why do you think that anyone who doesn’t fall down in front of the Alter of Sarah suffers from “envy” of her ability to earn a lot of money? And where did I call her anything “foul”? You see, you are the type of Palin supporter that turns so many off. You accuse others of saying things they didn’t say, in order to offer a defense of Palin that is not required.
But the truth of the matter is that the Ames straw polls were not about Sarah Palin, they were about the candidates who were willing to do what it takes to run for POTUS. It was NOT a venue for promoting Sarah Palin although she seemed to try to turn it into that. And what is her position, really? She is not a candidate, she has no charity or organization that she promotes, she hold no office and is incapable of influencing legislation that affects all of us. She is a pundit. Plain and simple, and while there are many people who are paid to be pundits, they should not hold any sway on how you vote.
Like it or nor, Palin was elected to do a job and she quit. She allowed the left (especially one particular Alaskan blogger, a very nasty woman) to run her out. And many of us don’t understand the hero worship that is applied to her.
Mata I know YOU would never “move the goal posts” but with corrected knowledge of BHO’s Senate entry why would you now delete his working days in 2007 in your computations.
BTW Sarah in as Gov. Dec.2006 out in July o9 . Subtracting her campaigning and various hunting and tanning salon forays,would put “days served” as Gov. no greater than BHO’S as Senator.
Do you think she’ll abandon the floundering Gingrich or step up and support him?
I did include the 2007 Congressional days. Congress is not in session 365 days a year. From Jan 3, 2005 to Obama’s announcement of his exploratory committee on Jan 16, 2007, the Senate was in session 304 days, as confirmed by the secretary of the U.S. Senate to CNN’s PoliticalTicker.
If you want to include the days that Obama was “employed” as a Senator, but not in Congress doing the job of a Senator (i.e. not in session, and out and about honing his future job contacts…), it was 768. I look at that view the say way I would view a school teacher, who is off for the summers, spring breaks and Christmas holidays. Is he/she still a teacher during that time? Sure, via job description. Is he/she getting experience in their job skills during that time? Nope.
So I didn’t move the goal posts. And I didn’t delete his “working” days. What I deleted was the days he wasn’t “working” at the job of being a Senator. Instead he was likely “working” at campaign skills.
@Richard Wheeler: Now Rich, you should know better than to compare a day at work for a ” do nothing back bench senator” who spent most of his time running for president to a “real” executive who actually made decisions. Using your thought process Joe Biden should be the most qualified person for president! After all, he had been in his Senate job for 36 years and accomplished what?
@retire05:
I am not much for hero worship of anyone, but to say she allowed the left to run her off, is just wrong. Staying would have ruined her financially not to mention the effect on the govt there. If anything, you should be mad at the leftists who abused the system purelyout of bigotry to force her from office.
It’s easy to say she should have stayed because you aren’t her. She has a family to think of and not just herself. She was in a losing position that could not be turned to her advantage. Leaving was the smart thing to do. Had the situation been winnable and she still left, I would agree with you.
Rich, big surprise that you love Hillary. The student of Alinsky himself and further left of obama. I wonder if she was one of the ones spitting on your commrades as they came back from Vietnam. You really are FITH.
@Randy:
You just described rich and his love of the extreme left.
Randy As corrected info above so indicates Obama did not spend the Majority of his 47 months in office “running for POTUS”
I haven’t suggested time in Senate nescessarily affects one’s performance as Potus. I was simply correcting misinformation posted on BHO’S tenure as Senator.
Mata Back to Sarah and comparison on time served in office and query re support of Newt in #24 Thoughts?
rich, the reason I didn’t answer your questions about Palin and/or endorsement/support is because I already discussed this on another thread (my comment #23), and you were also a participant in that thread. In fact, what I addressed about Palin and other possible (and better) candidates who chose not to get in to the race was the first part of the comment to johngalt, while the second part of the comment was addressed to you. So I have to assume you read it since you responded a couple of comments later. But since you don’t remember, I’ll repeat it.
Except for those potential candidates that are too new … such as West and Rubio … or those that haven’t finished what they are working on now … Jindal … I’m disappointed not to see Ryan or DeMint not take a stab. Palin, I believe, knew that her presence would not be beneficial this election. If I remember rightly, it was you who kept betting that she’d get in to the race.
My biggest problem with her is not giving a solid endorsement to the anti-Romney candidate of her choice during a stage of the process when it may have made a difference. Even now, with a half hearted Newt endorsement, she still tends to give all thumbs up points on some part of their platform. This makes me think that Palin has become somewhat a cautious “Party” person. And that’s sad to see. Or perhaps she doesn’t want to be seen as picking someone who isn’t a clear winner. Dunno… don’t care. The fact she doesn’t step forward (and not just her) at this stage doesn’t do much for me.
Today I have to add a lot more influential people to my list besides Palin because they refuse to pick a race horse. Rush, Mark Levin, Jan Brewer etc. Most have given the excuse that they don’t want to have to appear to back track on any comments they make in support of one candidate over another since their words will be thrown back at them in the general. That’s a major cop out to me. They need only say that all of them are better than Obama, but that out of the selection, they believe “insert name here” is their best choice. Whether any of us believes some are better than Obama or not – and personally I think a few of them are just as bad – this is a simple way to lend support to a particular candidate without being cornered in the general and effecting their credibility.
Personally, all of them are on my nerves big time for this cowardice. Picking the right candidate is the important part of this process. And now is the time to express who you think the right candidate is… not later. Now – before Super Tuesday and the bulk of the primaries and caucuses. Frankly, after there’s a front runner, I’m not interested in their endorsement after the fact because when they could have helped a superior candidate (in their opinion), they wouldn’t for their own political safety net.
Bachmann? Shot her own foot off. But the most interesting thing was that the TP did not give Bachmann their majority support, even in the beginning. She suspended her campaign Jan 4th, a couple of weeks after the Tea Party Patriots straw poll/ph conference vote. Bachmann participated in that pre poll interview/questions with three others (Ron Paul refused to be engaged), and after listening to all, Newt edged her out 31-28%. That was a pretty hefty participation rate in that conference call straw poll – over 23,000 of those who identify themselves with the TP. To this day, Bachmann has not helped guide her supporters by endorsing any of the remaining candidates. If someone other than who she preferred gets the nod, it will be thanks to her lack of engagement and activism.
Neither Cain nor Perry were sour grapes cowards. Cain took a while before coming behind Newt, but he did pick a horse. When Perry dropped out, he went on to support Newt quickly and, according to the debate last night, Perry would be working with a Newt admin, heading up a project that would be restoring 10th Amendment powers back to the states. Streamlining an overbearing and ineffective central government – seizing issues better left to be managed by the states – is a superior quest. I suspect that between Perry and Newt, that would be one heckuva restructure to behold. At least, that is what I would hope for.
Tea Party darling, Nikki Haley, broke ranks with those that helped her get to power, and threw her support to Romney. And this was when both Bachmann and Newt, TP straw poll winners, were still around. While she made a lot of people grind their teeth with her choice, at least she stepped up to the plate with an opinion. I’ll give her that. Same with Christie. Don’t like his choice, but considering he’s a moderate type, governing a liberal state, it’s not surprising. But at least he picked a horse in the race and put it out there.
I’m not interested in the “electability” argument one iota. Frankly I think that any GOP candidate is going to have a tough time beating Obama if money comes into play (and it always does). But if I’m going to lose, I want to lose pulling the lever (or in my case, dropping my mail in ballot off at the county courthouse voting box) for someone who I believe would actually implement meaningful reductions in size, power and spending/debt of government – not be just another “more of the same, but with an [R] behind my name” candidate. I want to go down fighting… not acquiescing.
H.R. Hey brainchild what’s FITH. I got a great welcome home from V.N. Big Party with friends. Shared a FIFTH of Jack.
How’ve you enjoyed hanging out here while your countrymen fight for you?
@Richard Wheeler:
F In The Head. Do I need to spell out what the F stands for?
As for staying here, it’s not what I want but I have done other things like donating money and supplies for our soldiers. I also try to support those politicians that want to protect America, actually respect their sacrifice, and won’t throw it away to push an anti-American/anti-Constitutional agenda.
It would be great if you did too.
Wow… talking about not slowing down and reading. You really get a mindset and just fill in a ton of blanks on stuff, don’t you, rich? I did not say the Zero spent “the majority of his 47 months in office ‘running for POTUS'”. What I said, and I’ll cut/paste it verbatim from my comment #5, was:
First of all, it wasn’t really much about being exact on the numbers. Just that the guy sauntered into the beltway, spend a year or two playing “senator”, then decided he was qualified for leader of the free world.
I corrected the dates because you required accuracy, and that’s just fine. No problem with that. But don’t go blowing this up into something it wasn’t. You were glorifying Obama because he didn’t resign his Senate seat while running for POTUS. I retorted why should he give up a cushy job that he did half ass. It still doesn’t change my opinion that the guy has no background and experience that justifies him to assume the position as the big dog on the porch. And until Obama knew he won, he left IL without a voice in the Senate while he was on the campaign trail, as his voting record shows.
Now if he wanted to do the decent thing, since he had no intentions of being a Senator instead of a campaigner, he should have resigned and allow IL to get someone who actually would do the job he wasn’t. But he didn’t, did he? Because he wanted no risk.
And in case you want to know if that’s partisan… nope.. it isn’t I don’t think Rubio or West are ready yet either. Which is why I want them to stay put and be groomed. And I firmly believe that anyone on the campaign trail needs to be present in their chambers (if a Congress member) for important votes, and not leave their state in the lurch.
Hard Right Why not spell it out to confirm to all just how filthy mouthed you are.
As far as your “service” Yada yada yada.
Mata #3o Thanks for your post but on #32 whoa I was correcting RANDY in #26 on % of time BHO spent running for POTUS. Not you.
BTW I’d suggest a majority of pols,like Mac and Sarah and Joe, keep their day jobs while running for higher office.
Yes, the pols do keep their fingers in all pies. And apparently the states who they represent don’t mind being left out and voiceless in the interim. In the case of Palin, it was a matter of months. But Obama campaigned for almost two years. Me? If I elect someone to do a job, I expect them to do it. And if they want to run for another office, they better do that as an extra curricular activity in between their “day job”, so to speak.
INRE the amount of time campaigning vs actually doing the job he was elected to do. It’s 743 days from his swearing in to the Senate to his kickoff with exploratory committee announcement. It’s 738 days from the exploratory committee announcement to inauguration approx (I think it was Jan 23, but not sure).
Either way, dang close to half of his time, he was a campaign rock star, and not a Senator.
That’s it rich, keep denying reality. Be a moron liberal and murtha Marine.
Sarah was right and that seems to really anger the lefties here.
Weird how quickly the conversation twists away from what Palin said (which is right) to an attack or defense of the messenger.
Sarah opined about death panels.
Obama wants to take away the right to follow one’s own conscience in the cases of abortion funding, sterilization funding and birth control funding.
The UK has already had ”cradle-to-grave” health coverage and what happened?
The gov’t tried to cover up the numbers of abortions performed there for the purpose of keeping down health care costs.
However, after a 10 year long fight, the facts were allowed out.
The numbers for 2001 reveal, thousands of babies victimized by abortion merely because they were mentally or physically disabled.
In total, 2,290 abortions were done on disabled babies with 147 done after 24 weeks of pregnancy.
The abortion numbers showed 482 babies aborted who had Down syndrome, including 10 aborted after 24 weeks;
123 babies who died in abortions with the nervous disorder spina bifida;
abortions were done on 181 babies who had a club foot or other musculoskeletal problems, including 8 killed after 24 weeks of pregnancy.
Seven babies who had cleft palates were victims of abortion.
Some of these things, like cleft palate or club foot can easily be corrected with surgery.
But doctors talked mothers into abortions because surgeries are expensive.
Other problems cost the system more in terms of long-term care.
So, back to Sarah Palin.
She spoke about death panels before we knew how many the Brits have killed to save money.
She spoke out before Obama began trying to force people of conscience to compromise their beliefs.
She was 100% correct and
She was ahead of the curve.
Mata If every pol who formed an “exploratory com.” stopped working it would be real quiet on The Hill. lol
Hard Right I have no anger towards Sarah. I get a good laugh out of her and hope she sticks around for pure entertainment.
I’d get a great laugh out of your posts if you’d just stop all that cussin.
Personally, rich, considering that Congress exists only to enact laws that further grow government, spend outside of sustainable levels, and erode our freedoms, I’d say “real quiet on The Hill” is downright appealing. I agree with Perry in a part time Congress… but that’s just a pipe dream. On the other hand, Oregon has limited sessions, but during the time they meet, they manage to inflict a great amount of damage.
But the upside is that Congressional representatives that actually have day jobs contribute private sector generated “new” revenue, and not just recycling taxpayers cash.
@Richard Wheeler: Actually, I think Mac spent a few years thinking about what he could do for his country while some SOB was knocking him around. Tell me you wonderful service in VN compares to his time there? He demands a little respect and he did have much more exectuive experience than your crook from chicago
Randy Hold on. I have the highest respect for John McCain and my service in no way compares to his.
My recent ref to him mentioned he did not resign his Senate seat while running for POTUS. No big deal,neither does anyone else. What’s your beef?
@Nan G:
Had you been paying attention to the players, you would have known what was coming. It did not take a rocket scientist to figure out that fianancial viability of treatment was going to come into play in Obamacare. Something has to be cut (like treatment for terminal patients) to pay for all of it. The position given to Cass Sunstein, and the fact that Obama relied on Ezekiel Emanual (Rahmbo’s brother) for advise on creating a health care system in the U.S. should have tipped everyone off that there would be “death panels.”
Palin stated the obvious. No more, no less. But for that she has been hailed as “prophetic” in her comments. She wasn’t.
I am amazed at how much credit people want to give to those who were simply paying attention and what many others knew.
@Hard Right:
You can make all the excuses in the world for Palin’s quitting that you want, but it doesn’t elimiate the fact that she was run off by the left wingers who attacked her. When she quit, they said “one and done.”
If the left is that powerful that they can cause a sitting governor to give up her job, then they are so powerful that they can never be thwarted and they will continue to run conservatives off. The brave thing would have been for Palin to tell the left to “Shove it. You are NOT running me off no matter what you throw at me.” And yes, it would have taken money and tenacity, but she would have eventually won. And that win would have been a record breaking victory for the right over the left. Proving that that no matter how much sh!t they throw, eventually people see the sh!t on the hands of the left.
@GaffaUK:
if her detractors were trying to force her out then guess what, they succeeded She let them defeat her so she could cry all the way to the bank. Looks like your grasp of logic is as bad as my grammar.
Time for a lesson in logic. You begin with a false premise, then base your conclusion upon that false premise. Since your premise is false, so must be your conclusion.
You have postulated that Palin was defeated because she resigned from office, which is what her “detractors” had intended. Your premise is that her “detractors” were simply trying to drive her from office. Au contraire
Recognizing Palin to be a dire threat to the liberal agenda, she had to be destroyed, both financially and politically. Her name had to be so sullied that the very mention of the name “Palin” would send shock waves of revulsion and ridicule far and wide, hence the bogus lawsuits, unauthorized “biographies” and exposes, not to mention thinly veiled hit jobs posing as docudramas. Palin has been smeared, libeled, stalked, and threatened in every way imaginable. Yet she soldiers on.
Resigning from the Governorship gave Palin the opportunity to fight back against the very forces which were trying to destroy her. Leaving the governorship in capable hands, she embarked upon a campaign of rallying Tea Party support to retake the House and the Senate. In fact, the historic 2010 retaking of the House of Representatives was largely a result of her efforts. So judging from her string of successes thus far, I’d say she has succeeded beyond even her wildest dreams.
They tried to destroy her so she turned the tables on them. Now she is more popular than ever.
Tell me again: how she was defeated?
@Ariel:
Palin is now more popular than ever? That is debatable. I think now most people don’t care about her, one way or another. It is only her hardcore devotees that cling to the myth that Palin is some sort of “Joan of Arc” as one of her followers wrote on C4P.
But I see that calling it like it is only gets you a bunch of “dislike” marks on this site. But I guess that no one really knows that the “death panels” comment from Palin was just a compilation of the things that Besty McCaughy had been screaming about for weeks.
How was Palin defeated? SHE QUIT HER JOB AS GOVERNOR. How plain does it have to be for you.
@retire05:
I didn’t make any excuses, simply stated the facts. If you don’t like her, that’s fine. We will simply have to agree to disagree on her and what she should have done.
I think some of the down dings are from those who feel you are being unfair. None of them came from me.
@retire05:
Nor do any of those “down dings” come from me. You should know better than to paint the entire site here as “out to get you” for putting out your viewpoint.
And although I disagree with most everything you’ve said about Palin, I respect that viewpoint knowing your past postings here on various subjects. Anyway, I think you are wrong about Palin’s motives for what she is doing and has done. I don’t agree that she “lost” by quitting the Alaskan governorship. I think she sacrificed herself for a state she loves instead. Instead, I see it as a loss for her that she didn’t run for the GOP nomination, even while I believe the moonbattery of the left would have been worse than it is now. I believe we conservatives lost out on something big when she decided not to run, and because of that, heartache and anger at her is quite understandable.
One thing on the “death panel” issue and Sarah Palin. While she may not have come up with the term itself, or the idea of what Obamacare does on that front, she does deserve credit for talking about it even as other prominent Republicans refused to engage in discussions about it, or call it what it really is.
retire05
hi.
I think SARAH PALIN, was fractured in many parts, she gave all she had for the election, but she did not have the right man to elect, and she surely realize it at some point, there must have been low blow thrown at her among the McCAIN crowd, because she at some point backed up a bit, maybe she was exausted, then, and she surely saw something very wrong going on in the crowd, something never seen before,
on a crowd under a spell fed constantly by the MEDIA selling OBAMA, a crowd freaked up,and under that spell
there is so much the strongest even can take between the enrage left MEDIA VISCIOUSLY POUNDING HER,
like hyenas in the wild, and she had a family left behind which needed her too. and her GOVERNOR JOB,
BESIDE HOLDING HER COOL ON THE PUBLIC STAGE, she done it all, and took her decisions after ward,
which one is to go for her to not crack up, after doing more than anyone could have done,
she now has regain her strength, she is still the same passionate for AMERICA, and won’t let her down the way she decided to fight, they try but did not succeed to destroy her,
nice to have you back
@Hard Right:
Did I say the down dings came from you, or JohnGalt? No, I did not. I simply remarked on the down dings themselves.
And why do you say I do not “like” Sarah Palin? Is it so black and white in your world that I must either “like” or “dislike” her? Can you not understand that there are those who are apathetic to Palin, one way or another?
@retire05:
Easy there. You seemed to be annoyed by people down dinging you for what you said about Sarah. I simply wanted to make clear I wasn’t one of them despite disagreeing with you.
As for you disliking her, your comments ceratinly seemed to indicate that was the case. Sorry if I am incorrect.
@ilovebeeswarzone:
Do I think Sarah Palin was treated unfairly by the left? You betcha. Do I think they set out to destroy her? You betcha. But you brought up something that also bothers me; her decision to accept the VP nomination position with John McCain in the first place.
Palin is young (in political terms) and had a momentun going on where people were beginning to take notice of her as the governor of Alaska. I, myself, had been watching her career since she was elected to the governor’s office, and thought she showed real political promise. But she choose to run with McCain, knowing McCain was a weak candidate and a RINO, to boot. His stand on a number of issues were the polar opposite of her own, or at least it seemed to be that way. And it is clear that a Vice President has little authority, or little ability to affect executive policy.
I have read where her devotees have equated her with Joan of Arc and General George Patton. Nothing could be farther from reality. Joan of Arc and General Patton never quit. Never. Palin did. Again, the truely hard thing to do would have been to stick it out, fight back, and continue governing her state. But she didn’t, and when she quit, her popularity in Alaska plumeted. There was a reason for that. Her constituents were upset that she didn’t plow through, carrying on, so to speak, inspite of the slings and arrows being thrown her way.
And what if she was elected POTUS? Do you think the left would then let up on her or would they double down, becoming even more vicious, and attacking her even harder? Would she quit the office of POTUS, using the excuse it was too expensive, too hard on her family, to continue on? If she didn’t know that politics is a nasty game, and that the game was being refereed by a left wing media when she accepted the VP nomination, she is not as smart as people give her credit for. She had to know that it was going to be a bloody fight and that she, and her family, would be drug through the mud by a ruthless media.
There were a few things that upset me about Palin, her interview with Univision being one of them. But I ignored that and continued to support her and hold my nose and support McCain inspite of my ardent dislike for John McCain. But when she backed Michele Bachmann when Bachmann attacked Rick Perry on the Gardasil issue, that was one of the straws that broke the camel’s back. Palin, herself, had signed a bill that would allow ALL Alaskans girls to get the innoculation for free, not paid for by the insurance companies as the Texas EO would have done, but on the backs of the taxpayers in all 50 states through a HHS grant. Palin dumped the cost of that vaccine on all of us, not just the taxpayers in her state. Palin spoke of “croney” capitalism, yet not one of her supporters mentioned that she had chosen for her own running mate a lobbyist for the oil industry and who had represented the oil company in the Exxon-Valdez case. Sean Parnell did NOT quit his lobbyist job until the day before he was sworn in as Lt. Governor of Alaska.
Then she went to Ames. Why? What did she gain doing that? I think (although I admit I have no proof) that Palin knew then she was not going to run for POTUS. Why try to grab the attention in Iowa? What purpose did it serve other than getting her almost a full hour on the Sean Hannity Show? I remember right after Perry announced he was a candidate going to the website C4P. Now I understand that she has no control over that site, or what is published there, but explain to me why almost every article on the home page was an attack on Governor Perry? What was the purpose behind that?
Being a celebrity brings with it pitfalls. It is hard not to be impressed with your own celebrity. WSe are a free market nation, and everyone is entitled to cash in on their celebrity status, but I was hoping that Sarah Palin would avoid that pitfall. Unfortunately, she didn’t. And I would like to know what she has done with all the money that has been poured into SarahPAC.
Sarah Palin has now earned more money than most of us could ever dream of, and good on her for being able to do that. I just wish she would use her celebrity now in a more influencial way and try to help her own state, which she definately loves, to help those (like Todd’s own tribe) that are so forgotten by our government and help those unemployed Alaskans who have been so negatively affected by Obama’s oil policies.
As it stands now, for me at least, she is persona non gratis. Just another talking head that I am not interested in any more than I am interested in what Hannity, Rove, or any of the others have to say. You see, I do not care who endorses who. I will make up my own mind who to support in this primary season, and so far none of the last four impress me in any way. At this point I am supporting anyone but Obama.
@retire05:
I know you didn’t specifically point out me or anyone else. However, you did generalize with your statement on the “dislikes”.
As for your #50, I too always thought that her acceptance as McCain’s running mate was both a plus and a minus. It was a plus in that she, herself, was thrust into the spotlight and conservatives found someone to admire and rally behind that otherwise wouldn’t have happened. It was a minus that it happened because of accepting the VP candidacy from McCain, who has never been what one could consider a true conservative, and was more aptly described as a RINO.
I still like Palin, and if she chooses to run for the Presidency in the future, I will more than likely support her.
@johngalt:
Generalized? When did generalizations become specifics? I generalized, not naming anyone and yet you, and another, decided it was necessary to cry wolf. If I thought it was you, I would have said so. Dishonesty is not my forte.
Palin accepting the VP nomination was nothing but a minus for her. Anyone with two grey cells bumping together knew, once McCain returned to D.C. to handle the “economy” crisis, that he was going to lose. Heck, most of us knew on Super Tuesday McCain was going to lose. What Palin did was kill her own political future by joining at the hip with McCain. Had she stayed where she was, and continued to govern her state, she would have been in a prime position to run this year for POTUS. And I think she would have had a real shot at it. No more. That is over, and she will never throw her hat in the ring now. Americans don’t like losers or quitters. And while I think the loss falls squarely on McCain’s shoulders, she lost, and then she quit.
What would have happened had she run is that the left would have shown what a disaster Alaska is. It is the top (or perhaps now the second) top state that is a “leech” state whereas it gets more back from the federal government than it pays in. Her dealings with the oil companies would have been represented as socialism in its purest form. The list goes on. Palin did not serve long enough to enact any real reform in her state. She would have had more time in office by now, yes, but she would still have been presented as a novice. You see, only the left is willing to accept inexperience as a selling point.
My objection to Mitt Romney is that he has done NOTHING since leaving office but run for another office. So perhaps you can explain to me exactly what it is that Sarah Palin has accomplished in the last three years besides throw red meat to her adoring wolves? After the November, 2008 election, Palin held real power. She could have used that power to rally the troops to really fight against Obama’s oppressive hand in goverment. She could have showed up in D.C., along with thousands of conservative Americans, descending on Congressional offices demanding that legislation be passed to thwart Obama. She could have stood on the steps of Congress and shouted to the world “We will not be silenced and we will be here until Congress listens to us.” She didn’t do that and wasted the power that was given her in 2008. Telling me that if she lived in South Carolina she would vote for Gingrich for no other reason that continuing the primary process is NOT being a leader. It is hedging your bets. She can now claim that her non-endorsement was not an endorsement. That’s not taking the high road, that’s taking the middle of the road.
Rick Perry at least came out for another candidate, Newt, who promptly threw Perry under the bus the other night at the debate while Perry sat in the audience. I guess Rick Perry now knows there is no honor among thieves.