Ace:
Now. About the threats which Obama has permitted to flourish and fructify.
“It was nice of the President to give us a history lesson at the Prayer breakfast,” Jindal [wrote in a statment]. “Today, however, the issue right in front of his nose, in the here and now, is the terrorism of Radical Islam, the assassination of journalists, the beheading and burning alive of captives. We will be happy to keep an eye out for runaway Christians, but it would be nice if he would face the reality of the situation today. The Medieval Christian threat is under control, Mr. President. Please deal with the Radical Islamic threat today.”
Speaking of this, you will remember that Obama said a couple of years ago he was happy that he would soon be politically free to drop #Truthbombs on the country and “go Bullworth.” (Bullworth was a movie in which a Senator realized he was going to die and so began dropping #Truthbombs on Uptight Christian White America.)
So when Obama — supposedly the possessor of he finest mind ever to inhabit a presidential skull — decides to drop a #Truthbomb on us, you’d expect this to be some pretty insightful, innovated, rock-your-world stuff.
Nope! Obama has always been an intellectual lightweight and mental mediocrity, as evidenced by his complete failure to publish while nominally the Editor in Chief of a Law Review whose entire imperative was to publish.
So his Bullworthian #Truthbomb consists of the idiotic crap of the kind you see in HuffP areas — “But the Crusades.” “But, but, Jim Crow.”
“Get off your High Horses, Christians. Don’t you know something something monk on Cosmos?”
This is not a smart challenge. I think I’d actually appreciate a smart, thoughtful challenge to my #WhiteBiases, for no other reason than I am pro-thinking and enjoy feeling my brain at work.
But Obama doesn’t deliver that; Obama delivers the same low-IQ, trite, Marxism for Dummies shit that all glittering mediocrities like himself traffic in, for they can not manage any better.
Jeff Dunetz illustrates Obama’s Medieval Christian VS modern day Muslim comparison with a joke:
A helicopter pilot gets lost in northern California fog.
He sees a tall building sticking up through the fog and hovers holding a big sign asking, ”Where am I?”
The people on the roof write him their answer: “You’re in a helicopter.”
Realizing from that answer exactly where he is, he safely finds his landing port.
Asked how that answer was helpful he explained:
The answer was both technically correct but completely useless, proving to me that those people had to be on top of the Microsoft building. No one else thinks that way.
Except Obama.
Tell that to the victims of the Bosnian Genocide, Bobby. And don’t forget that during the 1930s and 1940s, Germany considered itself to be a Christian nation.
@Greg:
To be explained by Gullible Greggie at a later date how Obama has told the world that those people did not represent Christianity.
while ignoring that it’s leadership was comprised of mostly cultists.
@retire05:
“And don’t forget that during the 1930s and 1940s, Germany considered itself to be a Christian nation.”
“while ignoring that it’s leadership was comprised of mostly cultists.”
Proving that it isn’t enough to hide under the cover of Christian righteousness while the leaders YOU elected commit unspeakable crimes against humanity. Perhaps GOD forgave them their complacency, but humans should not.
Hitler justified his fight for the German people and against Jews by using Godly and Biblical reasoning. He wrote in Mein Kamp:
“Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.”
Hitler believed in the Bible’s God. Raised Catholic, he went to a monastery school and, interestingly, walked everyday past a stone arch which was carved the monastery’s coat of arms which included a swastika. As a young boy, Hitler’s most ardent goal was to become a priest. Much of his philosophy came from the Bible. While in his later years he spent little time in churches, Hitler’s belief in God and country never left him. The Vatican’s Pope & bishops never disowned him; in fact they blessed him.
As evidence to his claimed Christianity, Hitler said:
“My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter… In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice… And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.”
Yes, he was a “cultist” in the sense that he created a “cult of Hitler” among his immediate subordinates, and he may even have succumbed to his own self-idolizing propaganda, but he never lost the conviction that he was guiding Germany in doing God’s work, as opposed to his own.
Every time a Christian does something bad, you can’t disown him.
Mein Kampf (learn to spell it) was written while in prison. We all know that God can be found in prison.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler
@Greg:
Last I checked Hitler was dead and there is no threat from him anymore. Islam is bent on killing today and tomorrow. Lets try to stay in the correct moment.
Placed in their proper historical perspective, Nazi Germany was only yesterday and the Bosnian genocide was was even more recent. Both occupy places in living memory.
@retire05 #5:
“Mein Kampf (learn to spell it)”
My Microsoft rejected Mein Kampf and accepted Mein Kamp. So does this site’s spell-check. I apologize for the stupidity of Flopping Aces’ web provider, not my own.
Regarding Hitler’s Christianity:
In this country, we have freedom of religion. One of the manifestations of that freedom is that we take a person at his or her word when a belief is professed. No supporting evidence is required to prove assertions that one’s actions are guided by a higher power. In Hitler’s case, a long history of acknowledgment and subjugation to God exists, and in spite of Hitler’s… “unusual” expression of his faith, there can be little doubt that he WAS Christian. The disingenuous attempt to disown Christians who coincidentally happen to be sociopaths of the first order is the ultimate hypocrisy. You are better than that. A true Christian has no trouble admitting that he or she – and the rest of Christendom – is absent perfection, and can accept atonement for our collective sins as well as our individual ones.
Prison? Really? So you are questioning someone’s faith based on where or when he or she gained such faith? Your fascism amazes me!
George, western countries killed the hell out of Hitler…Regardless of the church of his father.
@George Wells:
Really? I had absolutely no problem spelling Mein Kampf correctly on this site. Perhaps the error was on the part of the user, not the system.
Hitler could have called himself a unicorn, but that didn’t make him one. His “Christianity” was a façade, a political tool to make the great unwashed masses think he held the same religious standards they did. When one is referring to Hitler, the responsible thing to do is look at actuality, not propaganda, which you seem to have bought into. Hitler managed to slaughter a lot of Christians in his march for a “greater Germany”, including nuns and priests, along with Protestant ministers. Hardly a rousing endorsement for Hitler’s “Christianity.”
Of course, the myth that Hitler was a “Christian” has been propagated by the left for 60 years. No reason to expect you to admit now that he was a CINO, and someone who delved into the occult.
I have no problem admitting that there have been things done in the name of Christ that would turn our stomachs. But I also know that while there are those who will point to the Crusades as an example of Christian atrocities, the truth is that the Church denounced those things done by individuals (in the 13th-14th century) that violated Christian teaching. These very same people will also point to the Inquisitions, ignoring the fact that 19 Muslims slaughtered more people on September 11, 2001 than all those who were put to death during all four Inquisitions.
As to your “collective” sins: I don’t subscribe to “collective” sinning. Each person is responsible for their own actions and each person will be held accountable as individuals. The “collective” guilt is a myth. I am not responsible for the actions of some distant ancestor any more than you are. That’s pure Liberation theology, a philosophy pushed by radicals like Jeremiah Wright, Jr. and James Cone and others from Central America. The Vatican has denounced, LOUDLY, all forms of Liberation Theology. You seem to accept it, as does Obama.
Whoa!! You seem to be a little behind the times. Prison ministry is big business. How many times have you heard convicts say they found God while serving their prison terms? Not withstanding that radical Islamic Imams are recruiting followers in our prisons with the green light on that disaster given by none other than William Jefferson Clinton. Hence, the old saw that everyone knows God lives in prison.
Fascism? Really? You really want to go there? Since you seem to adhere to the philosophy of “collective” guilt, seems those of your ilk are writing the book on modern fascism.
@Greg:
Yes lets all worry about widespread rogue Bosnian terror on the march. I guess Obama left that one out of his latest moral equivalence speech.
Maybe someone will put clues on sale near you soon and you can get one with an EBT card.
Pandering to haters, Jindal twists President Obama’s words into hate-filled notions of Jindal’s own making, and then rails against them. Weird and despicable.
Contrary to Jindal’s pretense, Obama did not remotely suggest we should keep an eye out for runaway Christians. Nor did he suggest not dealing with today’s threats.
Rather he condemned “ISIL, a brutal death culture that, in the name of religion, carries out unspeakable acts of barbarism.” He also praised Christianity and its virtues. He merely cautioned against getting on our high horse and called for us to show some humility when pushing back against those who distort religion for their own evil ends so we don’t paint with an overly broad brush and tar all for the sins of some.
Jindal should listen up before he mouths off.
@Mully, #11:
That’s not what Obama was suggesting or the point Obama was making. It’s only how people on the right have chosen to misrepresent the meaning of what he said, so they can have something to attack. Attack seems to be their only available response.
@retire05 #10:
The “collective guilt” I’m referring to is that associated with being an accessory to a crime. I’m not saying anything about crimes that were committed outside of one’s immediate temporal responsibility. But if the man you marry starts offing neighbors under your nose and you turn a blind eye for whatever cowardly reason appeals to your sense of illogic, you don’t get a free pass. The German People were accessories to Hitler’s atrocities. Perhaps there were a few who honestly were so out of touch with what was going on that they might be considered innocent bystanders, and there were probably not that many who knew precisely the scope of what was happening. But the vast majority understood quite well what Hell was being visited upon the Jews, and collectively they were accessories to that crime. Not all deserved hanging – I’m not equating their guilt with Hitler’s. But neither were they innocent, and you know that.
I now type Mein Kamph. The word Kamph (both times) has a red wiggling line underlining it, indicating it is misspelled. If I remove the “f,” the red line goes away. It’s not a problem I’m worried about, and if it gives you something to spit about, all the better.
@George Wells:
The discussion, in case you missed the point, is that Obama tried to equivocate between what happened 500-1,000 years ago to contemporaneous events. To which you commented:
To which I responded:
As to your “collective” sins: I don’t subscribe to “collective” sinning.
Then you came back with an example:
You are using a contemporaneous event as a comparison. Yet, the children of the man who “starts offing neighbors” would not be held accountable for his actions. We have no blood liable in our nation, nor are we responsible for generations that preceded us. Your “collective sins” mantra is pure Liberation theology.
There were many, many like Bonhoffer. But did that stop us from going to war against an entire nation? If we were to use Obama’s benchmark, we would not war against the nation of Japan, but only those Japanese who gave the orders for, and carried out, the attack on Pearl Harbor.
Instead, we held entire peoples accountable because the majority did not speak out, did not resist, did not challenge the cruelty of their leaders. Using that bench mark, the bench mark set by FDR and a Democratic lead Congress, we should hold those Muslims accountable when they do not speak out, when they don’t resist, when they don’t challenge the cruelty of their leaders. Instead, Obama has secret meetings with them in the White House.
@George Wells
but it can’t be establised that what he did was ‘because’ of his Christian beliefs. Hitler was an evil person, not really a description of most Christians.
After all, Satan himself was once a follower of God, just because he ‘once was’ does not mean he still is. Hitler may have been raised Christian, but that could hardly be ‘the reason he was such an evil person’.
@George Wells:
Brings Obozo to mind instantly. He tries to claim he is a Christian, but everyone knows he is Muslim.
@Doug Indeap: 12
Wow, you sure missed the message. Obama was clearly saying that compared to the threat from Christians, we clearly do not need to be concerned with Islamists. He said that 99.9% of Islamists are peaceful. That is the same as claiming ‘all’ Islamists are no threat, while he is clearly concerned about the threat of Christians.
@George Wells: Mein Kampf is the name of the book that Adolf Hitler wrote. It is a proper noun, spell checkers may not detect mispelled proper nouns. For example, you may name your book “Phun” but the spell checker may flag it and suggest ‘fun’. That doesn not mean it is ‘incorrect’.
@retire05 #15:
I’m having trouble finding where we are in disagreement. My “I’m not saying anything about crimes that were committed outside of one’s immediate temporal responsibility” is the same as your ” We have no blood liable in our nation.” I don’t get your attempt to associate what I said with “liberation theology” at all. Your explanation of why we went to war in WWII agrees with mine, as does your explanation of why we should be bombing the crap out of the region in which ISIS is concentrated. I’m on your side on this, remember? I only picked on you for tossing Hitler under the bus – denying his Christianity. He wasn’t a perfect Christian, and neither are you. Doesn’t mean that you are both the same, and you can certainly make a good argument that his flaws were magnitudes worse than your own. But the denial you voiced sounded too much to me like the denial I hear over and over coming from scared Republicans, and it doesn’t become you.
Concerning Obama’s “secret” meetings, I’m much too humble to presume to second guess the President of the United States. That office surely carries with it the privilege to conduct whatever meetings the holder of that office deems fit to conduct. No U.S. President has EVER been required to hold every Conversation of State in front of the news media, or in front of House republicans, or in front of any OTHER group of clowns. I’m happy for you that you think that your nobility of character affords you a trumping voice in such matters, but you’re wrong… again.
@Redteam: Wow! Except that Obama simply did not say a single one of the things you say in your comment. Show me the words.
@Doug Indeap: It’s obvious you wouldn’t recognize it.
@Redteam: Oh, I can read, so try me. The real trick is showing anything that remotely supports your claims.
@Redteam #19:
Are you BRAIN-DEAD?
I already explained that I SPELLED MEIN KAMPH c o r r e c t l y!!!
My COMPUTER refused the correct spelling, and changed it to MEIN KAMP.
We ALL know what the correct spelling is.
Let it GO!
@George Wells: George, I stopped at a rest area in Florida last week while on a trip through there. I immediately found the Men’s restroom, and the Women’s restroom, but I couldn’t find the “other genders’ rest room. Do you suppose Florida just hasn’t gotten the word yet?
I have a niece that is having a baby, She says it is a boy. I asked her if the doctor had told her she might have an ‘other gender’. She didn’t know what I was referring to. She thinks all babies are either boy or girl, how un-informed, right?
@George Wells:
that’s not correct.
@George Wells:
Really? Odd, that.
Perhaps you should do more research.
Where did I even mention “bombing the crap out of the region in which ISIS is concentrated” in this thread, much less explain any rationale for such actions?
Oh, I seriously doubt that.
Just as Osama bin Laden was Islamic. One the left points to, the other the left obfuscates.
Now you want to get into a theological debate on Christian perfection? Perhaps some other time.
Oh, I see, the old comparison tactic. Sorry, but I am not remotely like anyone I am sure you are acquainted with. I am not “scared” of anything nor am I mesmerized by shiny objects.
When the President of the United States meets with organizations that are considered to be part of the radical Islamic faction that we are at war with, I most certainly do believe that Americans have the right to know that. History shows that leaders that cavort with the enemy are often shown the door. Chamberlain strike a cord?
Has nothing to do with “nobility of character” but rather the Constitutional rights afforded all American citizens. I’m sure you can figure it out in a day or two.