Justice Department Admits That They Have All Of Lois Lerner’s ‘Missing’ Emails

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IRS SCANDAL

Bombshell time:

Department of Justice attorneys for the Internal Revenue Service told Judicial Watch on Friday that Lois Lerner’s emails, indeed all government computer records, are backed up by the federal government in case of a government-wide catastrophe. The Obama administration attorneys said that this back-up system would be too onerous to search. The DOJ attorneys also acknowledged that the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration (TIGTA) is investigating this back-up system.

We obviously disagree that disclosing the emails as required would be onerous, and plan to raise this new development with Judge Sullivan.

This is a jaw-dropping revelation. The Obama administration had been lying to the American people about Lois Lerner’s missing emails. There are no “missing” Lois Lerner emails – nor missing emails of any of the other top IRS or other government officials whose emails seem to be disappearing at increasingly alarming rate. All the focus on missing hard drives has been a diversion. The Obama administration has known all along where the email records could be – but dishonestly withheld this information. You can bet we are going to ask the court for immediate assistance in cutting through this massive obstruction of justice.

Straight out lies from the IRS and everyone involved.

And what the hell is the excuse ‘it would be too much work’ to search for the emails. Would that excuse work during a IRS audit?

Hell no

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Barack Obama: The Lyin’ King

Exactly why would anyone store anything if it’s too onerous to search for? What would be the point?

Things will be heating up, this judge doesn’t like pathetic excuses or lies.

Criminal prosecution and hard time in the slammer will get them standing in line to spill their guts on crimes we haven’t even heard about.

It’s time to bring this entire administration down, along with the Democrat controlled IRS and several other agencies. This is not union negotiations in Chicago. There are serious reasons why, they have been hiding this information for so long, and the feds can add concealing or tampering of evidence to the long list of charges.

Bring it down.

Why should anyone believe what Judicial Watch claims some unnamed IRS source told them?

Provide a name so the statement can be confirmed. That’s simple enough. Then you might have “a bomb-shell revelation.” Until then all you’ve got is another claim from another unnamed source, which thoughtful people won’t even buy at a dime a dozen.

@Greg: Why should anyone believe what Judicial Watch claims some unnamed IRS source told them?

The SWORN statement has the names, Greg.
Click the link in the above article, then read the 16 page pdf.

Stephen Manning is one of those names.
(see page 4 of the 16 for his points 5, 7, 8, about all the backups.)

Thomas J. Kane is another of those names.
His data is raw, you have to know how to look to see what Judicial Watch saw.
But it is there.

I do see names on sworn statements included in the linked document. I don’t see anything in the document that supports the following:

Department of Justice attorneys for the Internal Revenue Service told Judicial Watch on Friday that Lois Lerner’s emails, indeed all government computer records, are backed up by the federal government in case of a government-wide catastrophe. The Obama administration attorneys said that this back-up system would be too onerous to search. The DOJ attorneys also acknowledged that the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration (TIGTA) is investigating this back-up system.

@Nanny G: I do not know why anyone tries to educate Greg. The Justice Department responds to the Judge who provides the information to Judicial Watch. Greg just needs to believe his idol can do no wrong. You would be much more productive filling up a bucket with a hole in the bottom!

@Randy:

I agree, just ignore Greg. He’s just a worried, insignificant troll whose entire purpose is to obfuscate the issue. Don’t feed the trolls.

The Obama administration attorneys said that this back-up system would be too onerous to search.

Bullcrap. It’s actually quite easy for even a small team of computer forensics experts to search the backups. All they have to do is restore the main server backup to similar sized server mainframes and search that. All Lerner’s files existed on the main server, they are only duplicated and the duplicates temporarily stored on her machine through the network interface.

The IRS has a bigger problem now. They outright lied to the nation, the courts and Congress. The cover up is always worse than the crime, (remember Democrats?) People are going to go to jail for that, starting with those IRS officials who lied on documents to make us all think that the evidence was destroyed.

@Ditto: The Obama administration attorneys said that this back-up system would be too onerous to search.

On this point I would add:
What’s the point of a contingency plan for emergencies IF that plan is too hard to implement?

@Nanny G:

Exactly. Their whole “lost emails” story was utter bullcrap and I’ve been saying that from day one. “Multiple layers of back-up” is how government systems are designed and built in case something goes wrong. That’s one of the reasons why laws were specifically written to require ALL government network systems to have multiple back-ups and why ALL system failures MUST be immediately reported. Such back-up mandates have been in effect since the government started building the World Wide Web (and before that when it was military-only highly-level classified military secure data connections.) Every single qualified computer technician in the government could tell that the “lost emails” claim by the IRS and White House was a lie.

Again, anyone with even the most basic understanding of Internet connected personal computers knows that email correspondence is not stored on the user’s PC hard drive. Therefore, the dishonest excuse that these emails were “lost” when this woman’s hard drive crashed is absolute baloney.

The above facts are well proven by the countless email ignorant criminals who have been convicted in a court of law with the aid of retrieved email records.

Those that continue to pretend otherwise are either lying or are willfully ignorant in regard to the operation of email network systems (those who currently do so in here are lying).

@FMB42, #11:

Again, anyone with even the most basic understanding of Internet connected personal computers knows that email correspondence is not stored on the user’s PC hard drive.

Incorrect.

It depends on what sort of email application is being used. Various Microsoft email applications utilizing POP client-server architecture do in fact store sent and received email directly on the hard drive of the computer that’s running them. Copies of all email remains there unless deliberately deleted. Further, copies are generally not retained on the internet service provider’s POP3 server once they have been mailed or downloaded by the PC user. Copies may be retained on a Local Area Network (LAN) server, provided the PC in question is part of one, and provided the local system has been configured to store copies on the LAN server.

This is generally not the case if you’re using an Internet Message Access Protocol (IMAP) account such as Gmail, which stores your sent and received email externally on an internet server rather than locally. Even then, you could still have copies stored on your PC hard drive if you’re accessing the IMAP account using POP. For example, you could easily configure Microsoft Outlook Express to access your Gmail account, in which case all mail sent or received utilizing Outlook Express would be copied to your hard drive. You would have to turn on POP access on Gmail to do that.

@Randy, #7:

Read the PDF. It doesn’t support what Judicial Watch is saying. No one is saying in it what Judicial Watch claims someone told them.

There’s a reason why the media has pretty much lost interest in the IRS scandal: no clear evidence was ever produced that supports Issa’s irresponsible allegations, despite huge expenditures of time and energy and public money trying to find some.

Greg (as usual,) is showing that he has his head up his anterior orifice, with his “apples and oregano” comparison. Greg is dishonestly telling us how free market internet provider personal user email and internet systems work, which has no relevance whatsoever to big business or government infranet and extranet server systems. Government email and network systems do not work the way he wants everyone to believe. He knows this full well because it has been explained to him numerous times.

@Greg: When the judge asks for something, the judge gets it. It was the Judge that made it mandatory to produce the emails. Know you legal procedures before you run off at the mouth.

@Greg: The media lost interest in this because someone in the Obama administration is going to jail!

@Ditto, #14:

Greg (as usual,) is showing that he has his head up his anterior orifice, with his “apples and oregano” comparison.

Greg was pointing out that the person who was expounding on how email works and on the ignorance of those who lack this basic understanding doesn’t actually have a clue what he or she is talking about.

Microsoft products are the norm on government administrative PCs. On the older PCs that budget cuts have left the IRS stuck with, it’s almost certain that Windows based POP3 email applications were in use. The explanation provided concerning missing emails have been entirely consistent with this sort of hardware and software operating environment. The basic problem is that people don’t want to acknowledge such facts, because such facts aren’t supportive of their scandal mongering and various conspiracy theories.

This is pretty much the same as the right’s refusal to acknowledge what Obama is actually saying about ISIS and preparing to do about ISIS, because the reality of that doesn’t fit their preconceptions and assertions.

Greg, I know a lot more about email systems than you do. You just know how to dig up a bunch of baloney in a lame effort to defend the indefensible.

The fact is that all email systems store all correspondence on multiple storage drives.

On the older PCs that budget cuts have left the IRS stuck with, it’s almost certain that Windows based POP3 email applications were in use. The explanation provided concerning missing emails have been entirely consistent with this sort of hardware and software operating environment

You’re talking about antiquated systems that would be virtually impossible to secure, let alone maintain. That you would openly suggest that a top level Federal agency, such as the IRS, would utilize such outdated and vulnerable operating systems is beyond adult comprehension.

You, like the rest of your dishonest cohorts, continue to make the mistake of thinking that everyone is as stupid and dishonest as you are.

@FMB42, #18:

Greg, I know a lot more about email systems than you do. You just know how to dig up a bunch of baloney in a lame effort to defend the indefensible.

I know where Windows systems stashed email from long firsthand experience, beginning with Win 3.0 and continuing. Even when I was using a desktop that was part of a LAN I knew where to find my stored email on my local C drive. I’ve always made it a point to understand the workings of the machines I use. When things go wrong, I can usually figure out how to fix them myself.

You’re talking about antiquated systems that would be virtually impossible to secure, let alone maintain. That you would openly suggest that a top level Federal agency, such as the IRS, would utilize such outdated and vulnerable operating systems is beyond adult comprehension.

As of March 2014, roughly 10 percent of the U.S. government’s desktop computers were still running Windows XP. Since then there’s been Vista, Win 7, Win 8, and Win 8.1, which will soon be replaced by Windows 9. Ten percent of government PCs were still using XP earlier this year, at the point when Microsoft support for that operating system ended. What an organization like the IRS does is prioritize replacement. Mission-critical workhorses get replaced first, while cheaper computers that are used for routine administrative functions get replaced last and long after replacement is due.

That repeated budget cuts can produce such consequences is apparently beyond the comprehension of the republicans controlling the House of Representatives. Which, of course, isn’t to say that it’s actually beyond adult comprehension.

@Greg: Replacing technology doesn’t mean the data is destroyed. You must have been working in a room with poor indoor air quality. The lack of oxygen has killed off remaining brain cells.

All it takes is a hard drive crash and failure to have backed up all email from the dead C drive to a LAN server drive. That process hasn’t always been done automatically. It wasn’t done automatically at the IRS. Even when it is done automatically on a LAN, there’s still a risk of data loss when it’s done on periodic schedule. Files created after one backup aren’t part of the backup image until the next backup takes place. That’s why I back up my important files every time I work on them, even though I have an external drive that’s doing that automatically every week.

@Greg: Give up Greg. Face it, they lied and destroyed emails. Someone will likely go to jail unless their savior pardons them.