You have no idea how big the Obama lie is

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It’s HUGE. John Rosenthal at PJ Media:

And thanks to the recent reporting of CNN (where were they and the other media three years ago, when we needed them?), more people will realize that shortly after the passage of Obamacare the Obama administration implemented rules specifically designed to ensure that millions of people — those who provided for themselves on the individual market, i.e., who did not receive coverage through their employer or union — would not be allowed to keep their current insurance. Thus not only were Obama’s assurances untrue; they were purposeful deceit in which a supine press was complicit.

Jay Carney, the Official Propagandist of the Obama regime said:

One of the things health reform was designed to do was to help not only the uninsured but also the underinsured. And there are a number of Americans, fewer than 5 percent of Americans, who’ve got cut-rate plans that don’t offer real financial protection in the event of a serious illness or an accident.

Now if you had one of these substandard plans before the Affordable Care Act became law and you really liked that plan, you were able to keep it. That’s what I said when I was running for office.

That was part of the promise we made.

No, not 5%. Try 69%.

John Hinderaker at Powerline Blog:

The Obama administration projected low-end, mid-range and high-end estimates for how many plans would be terminated, in total and broken down between large and smaller employers. The bottom line is that the administration expected 51% of all employer plans to be terminated as a result of Obamacare. That is the mid-range estimate; the high-end estimate was 69%. So as of 2010, the Obama administration planned that most Americans with employer-sponsored health care plans would lose them, whether they liked those plans or not.

As for individual, as opposed to group plans, the Obama administration said that data were insufficient to predict how many would lose grandfather status, but in any given year the percentage of such policies losing such status would “exceed[] the 40 percent to 67 percent range.”

Those numbers starkly contradict Obama’s “if you like your insurance, you can keep it” assurances. But it is worth noting that the percentage of pre-Obamacare plans that would terminate within the first few years after the law was enacted isn’t the main point. The administration never intended to allow any American to keep a non-Obamacare insurance policy for any length of time.

And for small business, it’s more like 80%.

Sen. Mike Enzi:

Unfortunately, the regulation writers at the Departments of Treasury, Labor, and Health and Human Services broke all those promises. The regulation is crystal clear. Most businesses–the administration estimates between 39 and 69 percent–will not be able to keep the coverage they have.

Under the new regulation, once a business loses grandfathered status, they will have to comply with all of the new mandates in the law. This means these businesses will have to change their current plans and purchase more expensive ones that meet all of the new Federal minimum requirements. For the 80 percent of small businesses that will lose their grandfathered status because of this regulation, the net result is clear: They will pay more for their health insurance.

Obama said in video that you could keep your plan at least 36 times:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpa-5JdCnmo[/youtube]

This is not simply a lie. It is a lie of galactic proportions. All hell is going break loose next year when nearly everyone loses their plans, and that is why the employer mandate was delayed. So Obama could lie through another election cycle.

Democrats see the handwriting on wall and are getting skittish:

More than a dozen anxious Senate Democrats facing reelection next year met with President Obama at the White House Wednesday to review the administration’s progress in fixing technical problems hobbling the rollout of the Affordable Care Act.

The website is the least of their problems.

Megyn Kelly asks the obvious:

Megyn Kelly interview Fox editor Chris Stirewalt on a White House press conference with Jay Carney, and the political possibility arose that Obama may have won the 2012 election by lying about ObamaCare.

As if there was any doubt. The real question is- does he ever tell the truth about anything? And when will the press stop treating Obama as a novelty and hold him to account for these lies?

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@Greg:

No, he didn’t lie. He made a generalization, and that generalization has been true for around 95 percent of those who already had health insurance.

Wrong! The employer mandate has been delayed a year. It was supposed to ease the concerns of the reelection bids for dems in red and purple States. They didn’t see the individual mandate issues coming. When the employer mandate kicks in, the number of disgruntled people is going to sky-rocket. If employers kick people into the exchanges, they aren’t necessarily going to pay their employees the difference. They have to pay the “penalty”. Your 95 percent is only accurate because the employer mandate has been delayed. A generalization?

The $50 billion to $60 billion amount that the Bush administration asserted regarding the cost of the war in Iraq was off by a factor of 30, and “weeks or months” turned out to be a decade.

What you are describing here is what FA Hayek called Fatal Conceit. What people think they can do and what they are actually able to accomplish are two different things. So I’ll go along with you on this and say Obama’s statements are likewise Fatal Conceit. There are some differences though. One, Bush did not campaign for reelection and make the numbers of the Iraq war a central tenet. Obama did just that with Obamacare. He said at least 29 times that if you like your healthcare plan you could keep it. I’ve also posted the numerous time he claimed the average savings of $2500 a year. Bush did not do that with the Iraq war numbers. If you have evidence to the contrary, I’d love to see it.
Second, Obama’s aides knew it was the case:

When the question arose, Mr. Obama’s advisers decided that the assertion was fair, interviews with more than a dozen people involved in crafting and explaining the president’s health-care plan show. But at times, there was second-guessing. At one point, aides discussed whether Mr. Obama might use more in-depth discussions, such as media interviews, to explain the nuances of the succinct line in his stump speeches, a former aide said. Officials worried, though, that delving into details such as the small number of people who might lose insurance could be confusing and would clutter the president’s message.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303843104579172002892623382
Now, find me something that shows that Bush aides knew the Iraq numbers were false and let him deliver the numbers anyway.
Obama was in trouble during the 2012 election. Obamacare was not that popular and the only way they could sell it was to make sure people believed they could keep their plans if they liked them, keep their doctors if they liked them, and get more affordable coverage. None of that is planning out. If you have to lower your salary to qualify for the subsidies, this plan is flawed. And if Obama gives the Unions a pass on the taxes, you will see a massacre at the polls in November 2014.

Seems as if BHO did say he wanted an army! Please do some research before making silly statements.

We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.
Barack Obama

@Aqua: Well said but as you know, Greg just can’t bring himself to admit that 0-bama lied to America, he refuses to accept the real impact of Obamacare (no one knows yet), and his only tactic is an attempt to change the subject, usually to some obscure conversation about Bush. He is a typical liberal wacho with no credibility!! Nice try though.

Gerry
IS IN IT THE WORDS OF A DICTATOR LIKE HITLER
I remember jumping up when he said that, we have many blogs talking about it,

ilovebeeswarzone

I doubt if Hitler mentioned at the time he established the SS that it would overwhelm the populace and eventually kill thousands of innocent prople. Obama’s army reminds me of the pack of Dobermans Napoleon amassed in Animal Farm. I would rather not simply wait and see the outcome as some inane sheep would! Perhaps you are not aware that his army would not be required to uphold the Constitution. LOOK IT UP!

Tom
WHY DO YOU STAIN TED CRUZ CHARACTER JUST TO GET EVEN,
HE IS ONE OF THE BEST WE HAVE,
OBAMA WITH HIS PAST DECLARATIONS, ALONG WITH HIS TODAY DECLARATIONS ‘DOES NOT FIT IN
AMERICA, HIS DICTATING HABIT ARE NOT OF THIS COUNTRY,
YOU JUST DON’T DICTATE TO A FREEDOM LOVING USA, BECAUSE HE HAS ALREADY OFFENDED THE PEOPLE WITH ALL HE HAS DONE AND DECLARED,
IT’S BEYONG REPAIR NOW, YOU HAVE TO TAKE SOME TRAITS OF HITLER WITH OBAMA LEADERSHIP, AND COMPARE THE POTENTIAL FUTUR DECLARATIONS WITH IT, IT FITS,
AND THE WAY HE TOLD FOREIGN LEADER TO RESIGN IS TO BE COUNTED WITH HIS PACKAGE, AND YOU CANNOT CLAIM TO KNOW THE FUTURE WITH OBAMA IN POWER, HE HAS DESTROYED OTHER COUNTRIES, IT’S EASYER FOR HIM TO
TRY IT AT HOME WITH HIS BINDING WITH THE UN, TOO CLOSE FOR COMFORT
AS IT WAS NORMAL TO SEE A PEACEFULL FUTURE BEFORE,
UNLESS BEING ATTACK BY FOREIGNER, BUT INSIDE WAS MORE PEACEFULL AND MORE SECURE FOR THE PEOPLE,
IT’S NOT NOW,

@ilovebeeswarzone: luv ya Bees!!!

@Gerry:

Perhaps you should read the entire speech before regurgitating stale Right Wing talking points. This dead horse has had enough. Better stock the bunker if you’re really that fearful of the Peace Corp being expanded.

Obama’s ‘National Security Force?’

@ilovebeeswarzone:

WHY DO YOU STAIN TED CRUZ CHARACTER JUST TO GET EVEN,

Sorry, Bees, but I fear my point buzzed right over your head.

It’s easy to tell when Obama’s lying….his lips are moving.

GERRY
HI,
THAT’S IT YOU HAVE IT CLEAR FOR ME,
the thing is what we don”t know what he is preparing secretly,
we have figured what is public and sliped by observers ,
but the rest is going on , and we learn it only after it”s decided and made to law,
he is far from transparent, and he is an angry person, which explode in the least expected depending what goes in his mind, he also have his MUSLIM FRIEND IN THERE, AND
VALERIE JARRET AN IRANIAN, VERY CLOSE TO HIM,

@Gerry: Yours is the ridiculous statement, debunked long ago. The speech ref. was made 7/2/08 in Colorado Springs .Obama was speaking of expanding AmeriCorps,The Peace Corps and USA Freedom Corps a volunteer initiative started by “W” after 9/11 to increase # of foreign service officers.
Comparisons to Hitler?? Libs should thank you clowns.
This kind of continuous uninformed B.S. from the radical right is a major reason Dems. will hold The Senate in 2014 and win The Presidency in 2016.
Happy 238TH Birthday USMC 11/10/1775- 11/10/2013—OH RAH

Aqua Give thanks to the mighty Cardinal.

@Richard Wheeler:

This kind of continuous uninformed B.S. from the radical right is a major reason Dems. will hold The Senate in 2014 and win The Presidency in 2016.

I’ll agree with some of the BS, but you guys are cooked in 2014 unless Jesus Himself comes down and lays hands on the healthcare mess.

Happy 238TH Birthday USMC 11/10/1775- 11/10/2013—OH RAH

Happy Birthday Jarhead, and to all my Jarhead friends. The world would be a crappy place without Uncle Sam’s Misguided Children.

Nole’s and the Tide in the BCS….thank you Stanford.

Tom
NO I get it perfectly , BUT WHY USE THAT SHIT ON TED CRUZ TO MAKE A POINT,
IT’ tell on you,

@Aqua: Don’t you find it ridiculous the radical right continues to press the” Obama Army meme”—the Kenyan birth—the Hitler comparisons–ETC.?
Senate Dems 50-Repubs 50 even with R holds in Ky. and Ga. See where Jimmy’s grandson is gonna announce for Gov. run in Ga. Carter nephew’s tape elected BHO.
I’m picking LSU to upset Tide on Sat. Noles- Against much maligned OSU or Baylor Bears in BCS.

@Richard Wheeler:

Don’t you find it ridiculous the radical right continues to press the” Obama Army meme”—the Kenyan birth—the Hitler comparisons–ETC.?

I wish everyone would look for information on all sides before they go off half-cocked. This One posts everything straight from TPM and Think Progress. The cave he lives in is much deeper than anyone else here. As for the Birther theme, I think Obama’s team is very happy to keep that alive. I actually think it’s strategic genius. The Hitler stuff, don’t think Obama has caught up to the number of times Bush was compared to Hitler, but I’m not a fan of anyone comparing any US President to Hitler.

If Bama goes down to the Tigers, FSU wins the BCS. Neither OSU nor Baylor can hang with the Noles.

Tom:
Fortunately you weren’t living in Germany from 1939 through 1945 and missed all the fun when the Stastspolezei attacked the people. The same group that was initially formed to “Protect the people”! The German people had no means of defending themselves as Hitler had banned them from possessing guns. Obama said nothing about Peace Corps when he proposed his concept for a new “Powerful, National Security Force” which would be exempt from any restrictions of the constitution!

It is indeed unfortunate that you can’t envision the indentical situtaion developing here in the USA

Richard Wheeler,
THAT’S NOT THAT SPEECH,
HE SAID HE WANT HIS ARMY AS STRONG AS THE MILITARY,
AND MORE OF IT,
WHO IS RADICAL? THINK AGAIN

Gerry
DID YOU EVER SEE A CLIP OF YOUNG BLACK TEEN MARCHING LIKE IN A BOOT CAMP,
CHANTING OBAMA DOT DOT DOT ON THE NOISE OF THEIR STEP,
THAT WAS A FEW YEARS AGO, MAYBE A COUPLE OF THEM,
IT MADE ME THINK OF WHAT OBAMA WANT TO HAVE HIS OWN ARMY AS STRONG AND POWERFULL AS THE MILITARY,
AND MADE ME THINK OF HITLER’S YOUTH WHO END UP KILLING THE JEWS
THAT JUST CAME BACK TO ME,
BYE

Richard Wheeler,
and why do you think we say those things, where do you think we took it,
we are not radical here at FLOPPING ACES,
all that is said come to be true, and people like you do not get it,
but no one mind , you believe what you want, but don”t insult those who have figure OBAMA INTENTIONS,
CAN YOU SEE WHAT HE DID TO THE ARMY IN AFGHANISTAN, JUST ASK AROUND, THAT’S PART OF HIS NEFARIOUS PLAN,
NOBODY IS FORCING YOU TO BELIEVE

@Richard Wheeler:

I’m picking LSU to upset Tide on Sat.

I hope you’re right, but you’re not very good at picking winners. Obama, Dodgers, Cards, etc

What a waste of time attempting to have a logical & factual discussion with the Socialist Liberals.

I glad that none here were living in Nazi Germany in the early 1940’s. If they had been there they would be far more aware, and fearful, of the dangers associated with our current regime’s policies.

But, perhaps if they try, they can get Bush blamed for the Kenneny assassination.

@Richard Wheeler

: This kind of continuous uninformed B.S. from the radical right is a major reason Dems. will hold The Senate in 2014 and win The Presidency in 2016.

Their goose is cooked. Obamacare will doom the libs for a long time. No way does Dims hold senate in 14. No way. I think the country will try an American in the presidency after 16.

@Tricky Dick:

It’s easy to tell when Obama’s lying….his lips are moving.

I’m not sure that’s a requirement.

@Mully, #43:

If that isn’t a lie then I don’t know the definition of the word.

That pretty much sums up my point. The inconsistency of the right’s definition of the word lie has already been touched upon. Whether or not a lie is recognized as such seems to depend upon little more than the extent to which belief bolsters or contradicts the right wing world view.

The recent 60 Minutes report concerning Benghazi security guard “Morgan Jones” that seemed to prop up the right’s perception of events in Benghazi was immediately and unquestioningly accepted as the truth, for example. As it turns out, “Morgan Jones”—whose actual name is Dylan Davies—is a baldfaced liar. The colorful story he told concerning the night of the Benghazi attack in his book, The Embassy House, and on 60 Minutes was apparently made up. The official report he gave to the FBI is entirely different. On the night of the attack, Davies told them, he never even left his Benghazi villa.

A Strange Inconsistency In “Morgan Jones'” The Embassy House

CBS has issued an apology. It’s rather doubtful that all of the right wing media outlets that enthusiastically used the bogus Morgan Jones story to score points against the Obama administration will issue retractions.

From the Daily Mail Online: CBS admits the security officer they interviewed who ‘fought off a terrorist during the Benghazi raid and saw the dead ambassador’s body’ was lying on air.

That would be an example of a lie. Contrast it with Obama’s repeated assertion that you can keep your health insurance, which has thus far been an accurate statement far more often than not. When would a reasonable person normally insist that such a generalized statement must be true 100 percent of the time or be considered a lie?

@Greg:

CBS has issued an apology.

A liberal media ploy, to show that Even the GREAT CBS organization (lied about Bush) was anxious to show that Obama regime’ was covering up the facts about Benghazi, BUT alas! Even they were wrong and there was no deceit on the part of the admin. It was all a ‘mistake’. LOL. Notice they have not published the official report proving all this. They just ‘said’ it, take their word for it. Ocean front property is cheap in Arizona?

@Gerry:

It is indeed unfortunate that you can’t envision the indentical situtaion developing here in the USA

Based on what? One sentence taken out of context from a five year old speech? I need a little more than that to go on before donning the tin foil hat and surrendering to crippling paranoia.

@Greg:

The official report he gave to the FBI is entirely different.

Where’s your link to this ‘official report’?

@Redteam, #76:

Some brains have been washed. Others have also been given a heavy starch and thoroughly ironed.

@Greg:

You must work in a pretzel factory for a much as you have to twist and turn to define lie. Deflect and twist as you may a lie is a lie. You just choose not to see the obvious.

Yeah, right. Put up a picture of Hitler, and some people around here believe they’ve seen evidence of something.

@Greg:Secular progressives seem to fit both descriptions.

Some brains have been washed. Others have also been given a heavy starch and thoroughly ironed

@Greg:

some people around here believe they’ve seen evidence of something.

And your evidence that CBS was wrong? Nope, all planned for those that are true believers of CBS

@Redteam, #83:

And your evidence that CBS was wrong?

The evidence that has surfaced so far casts grave doubt on the truthfulness of Dylan Davies, AKA Morgan Jones. This is the incident report he filed with his employer, Blue Mountain Group, regarding the events at Benghazi. He told them he never reached the embassy compound on the night of the attack. That would mean that everything he told 60 Minutes about what he saw and did there that night was made up.

Consider for a moment how serious those lies actually are.

@Redteam: Greg, simple yes or no. Did Obama lie to America when he told them if you like your health insurance you can keep it and if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor. Do you know how to answer a yes or no question? Hint, you either say yes or no. Is that so difficult for you period!!

@Common Sense, #85:

I already gave a simple yes or no answer in #38. If you check, you’ll see that it was a simple, totally unambiguous NO.

Gerry
HIS OWN ARMY WOULD BE EXEMPT FROM THE CONSTITUTION ,
it bring to mind that his army would be exempt because it would be sold to the UN AS A PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM AND HE WOULD HAVE POWER ON THEM TO GET THEM TO OBEY HIS ANY ORDER EVEN ORDER THAT THE PEOPLE REFUSE THEY WOULD APLY BY FORCE,
AGAIN HITLER COME TO MIND,
THE BOOK I BOUGHT TO CHECK ON TOTALITARIANISM, AS A BLOGGER SUGGEST A FEW WEEKS AGO,
MENTION IT AND ALSO MENTION SOMETHING WHICH STAYED IN MY MIND, THAT IS THE ULTIMATE TAKE OVER A NATION IS WITH HAVING THE TOTAL CONTROL OF THE HEALTHCARE, WOW, IT MADE ME THINK HARD WHEN OBAMACARE WEBSITE WAS SUPPOSE TO OPEN,
IMAGINE IF HE SUCCEED TO PUT HIS HAND ON IT,
BYE

Gerry
WE HAVE NO IDEA HOW BIG THE OBAMA LIE IS,
this POST is right on, NO IDEAS BUT A LEGITIME SUSPICION VERY STRONG
AND STRONGER ON EVERY ONE OF HIS MOVE,
WE DON’T DARE EXPECT IT BUT WHEN IT COME WE HAD SEEN IT COMING
BUT WHERE AFRAID TO BELIEVE IT, AND IT’S THERE FOR ALL TO SEE,
BYE

@Greg: Gernalization my butt!! He said if you like your health insurance you can keep your health insurance period!! If you like your doctor you can keep your dotor!! For you to say this is NOT a lie only demonstrates what an absoulute idiot, wacho liberal, and fool you really are. Your credibility is less than ZERO!! Amazing!! You would call black generally white and white genreally black and be happy with that!!

@Redteam: I picked BHO to win in 08 and 2012. Same as you. I had the 2012 Senate results within one and The House within 3. Aye’s contest.
Your prediction that Repubs. will win 56 Senate seats in 2014 seems way out of line.

the republicans will win all the seats in 14,

As long as the Democratic/Liberal party gives things from the treasury to those able to work yet unwilling to do so, the Democrats will remain in control. Check again Peterson’s statement on the demise of the America we knew several decades ago. Or any nation where the privilege to vote is abused by voting themselves an abundance of items to which they are not truly entitled. When people actually wanted to work for living rather than have hand outs from those in power stealing from the taxpayers and constantly demanding more. “From each according to their ability; To each according to their need”. This is what “distribution of wealth” really means. I would prefer to return America to the land of opportunity – Opportunity to get a better job; to earn more; to contribute to the general good; to make a contribution to society. Not the opportunity to get something for nothing – which is the promise of the Left!

Gerry
LISTEN TO ME,what i will tell you is very important<
i see that you have what AMERICA NEED, GET UP AND GO GET THEM,
they complicated every move they made so to stay in hidding,
but all what AMERICA DEMAND IS WITHIN YOU to give,
meaning YOUR HEART AND SOUL, some other here will follow you loyaly,
and your task will be to dismantel the EVIL and send him where he belong,
and there will be smile all over the USA AGAIN,

AND THE YOUTH WHICH HAVE BEEN INDOCTRINATED BY EVIL,
WILL BECOME FREE WITHOUT ANY CONSTRAINT PUT TO THEM BY THE INDOCTRINATION,
THEY WILL BE SAVED FROM IT, SO TO GROW UP AS PARTICIPANT OF THIS GREATEST NATION,

@Greg:

Consider for a moment how serious those lies actually are.

Except, so far, no one has proven them to be lies. CBS nor anyone else has provided proof that he lied about anything. Just because they ‘think’ so. As I said, it’s CBS’s version of Saturday Night Live.

@Greg:

and on 60 Minutes was apparently made up. The official report he gave to the FBI is entirely different.

Your standard is ‘apparently’? When will we see proof that he lied. He said it on national tv, no one has produced ‘anything’ else to prove him wrong.

@Richard Wheeler:

Your prediction that Repubs. will win 56 Senate seats in 2014 seems way out of line.

But, your trend is to pick losers, remember? Obama, Cards, Dodgers. All losers.

@Greg:

you’ll see that it was a simple, totally unambiguous NO.

So, you don’t know the difference? Then why does it matter if anyone tells you a lie if you don’t know the difference? Even Obama admits to lying.

@Common Sense:

Your credibility is less than ZERO!!

In fairness to Greg, he has always admitted he has no credibility and doesn’t have common sense and doesn’t know how to recognize a lie. That’s why he claims to be a secular progressive. They all have that in common.

@Redteam: My trend in politics is nothing but wins. Had Romney early to win Repub nom, YOUR 56-44 VS My 50-50 2014 Senate–will be easy win for me. Congrats again on picking Obama to win–twice. You out performed Rove and Morris.