Republicans Caving As ObamaCare Implodes

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Boehner’s days are numbered:

Robert Costa

Per Sen sources, Boehner has agreed to take up the Senate’s plan and allow it to pass with Dem votes.

6:49 AM – 16 Oct 2013

Basically he is giving the Democrats the vote they wanted and capitulated. These Republicans have no spine…cowards one and all. As DrJohn laid out yesterday, if the debt limit is not raised the whole country WILL NOT burn. There will be no default. It’s all a scare tactic that the MSM and the Democrats are using and the RINO’s are willing to just bend over and take it.

Shame.

Meanwhile ObamaCare visitors are plunging:

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The number of visitors to the federal government’s HealthCare.gov Web site plummeted 88 percent between Oct. 1 and Oct. 13, according to a new analysis of America’s online use, while less than half of 1 percent of the site’s visitors successfully enrolled for health insurance the first week.

…Based on a sample of two million users — or 1 percent of all online users in the U.S. — which Millward Brown Digital has permission to track, it suggests that the rush of traffic administration officials cited as the cause of the site’s problems trailed off within a matter of days.

Of the 9.4 million unique visitors to the site during the launch’s first week, according to the analysis, roughly a third attempted to register, and a third of that number — 1.01 million — completed registration. Ultimately, roughly 36,000 Americans signed up for an insurance plan online, the report said.

This comes as the inevitable sticker shock has arrived:

The Tribune‘s Peter Frost found that a typical user in the system — a 33-year-old single father in this case — would see his premiums “more than double” from the current average of $233 a month. But if the single dad wants his premiums to remain in range, he’ll need to sign up for an annual deductible of $12,700. The average deductible before ObamaCare for this consumer would have been $3,500.

Nor is that an isolated example, although it’s on the far end of the spectrum. In order to keep prices low, 21 of the 22 approved plans on the Illinois state exchange have deductibles of more than $4,000 for individuals, and $8,000 for families. Frost notes that the average employer-based coverage puts the individual deductible at $1,100.

Consider what this means to the consumer. First, the government forces Americans to buy comprehensive insurance when many don’t need it. At $466 a month, the single father in the example above will spend about $5,600 a year on comprehensive insurance, which would far outstrip the medical expenses for most 33-year-old single men, who might expect only a wellness check and perhaps a couple of acute visits to a clinic for urgent care a year. At retail costs, even with labs, that’s going to run less than a thousand dollars a year at most.

Now, though, his insurance won’t even cover that much. Before Illinois consumers see any benefit at all from their insurance policies, they will have to spend more than $4,000 each year out of their own pocket — and without the benefit of health-savings accounts (HSAs) to use untaxed income for that purpose. That means that some consumers will spend much more each year over and above their newly inflated premiums, making it less and less likely that they will ever see any benefits from their mandated insurance policies other than avoiding the small fine from the IRS for noncompliance.

This will only get worse. Megan McArdle’s article describing why this rollout was a disaster and why the law is unworkable is a must read in its entirety. There is a lot in it including questioning why the HHS decided to be the lead contractor on building the entire system itself:

I’m a longtime critic of federal contracting rules, which prevent some corruption at ruinous expense in money, quality and speed. But federal contracting rules are not what made the administration delay writing the rules and specifications necessary to build the system until 2013. Nor to delay the deadline for states to declare whether they’d be building an exchange, in the desperate hope that a few more governors might decide — in February 2013! — to build a state system after all. Any state that decided to start such a project at that late date would have had little hope of building anything that worked, but presumably angry voters would be calling the governor instead of HHS.

Federal contracting codes, so far as I am aware, do not emit intoxicating gases that might have caused senior HHS officials to decide that it was a good idea to take on the role of lead contractor — a decision equivalent to someone who has never even hung a picture deciding that they should become their own general contractor and build a house. Nor can those rules explain their lunatic response when they were told that the system was not working — “failure was not an option.”

Nor can you really blame the Republicans — an argument that makes sense only if you don’t examine it very closely. It starts by assuming (but never stating) that the administration passed a law that didn’t work as written, and then posits a civic duty for the opposition not to oppose laws that they oppose, but instead to help the majority party turn an unworkable law into something more to said party’s liking. This is absurd. Moreover, it’s not even a very good explanation for most of these problems. Maybe CMS turned lead contractor because they couldn’t get more funds to hire private help, but lack of funds does not explain why HHS took so long to write regulations and specifications, keeping insurers at loose ends until as late as this summer, and preventing their biggest contractor from writing code until spring. It does not explain why officials decided to launch a system that was so badly behind schedule, or to keep insisting, against all evidence, that it wasn’t broken. What explains this long train of poor decision-making is some combination of bureaucratic inertia, a desire to hide what they were doing from voters who might not like it and a terrifying insouciance about how easy it might be to build a system of this size and complexity.

My best guess is that by the time HHS officials realized that they hadn’t left enough time, the only possibilities were: 1. Ask Republicans for a delay; or 2. Launch a not-very-well-built-or-tested system upon an unsuspecting public. No. 1 would have been unpleasant for several reasons. Obviously, it would have been a huge political black eye. Republicans would probably have responded by joyously agreeing to a delay — of a year or more, which would either mean launching right before the 2014 elections or possibly never launching at all. Administration officials weren’t going to put the president’s signature achievement at risk that way.

After all, if they launched a nonfunctioning system, at least the state exchanges would hopefully work, and if enough people in the states signed up, it would be too late for Republicans to demand a rollback. They’d get the system working in a few weeks, and then everything would be fine. I’m guessing that even at the end, the senior officials didn’t realize just how bad this was.

And as many of us predicted, ObamaCare may implode all on its own:

If the exchanges don’t get fixed soon, they could destroy Obamacare — and possibly, the rest of the private insurance market. The reason that the exchanges were so important was that they were needed to attract young, healthy people into the insurance system. The worry was that if insurance is hard to buy — if you have to do your own comparison shopping and then call the insurance company, and fax in some paperwork and two years of tax returns — that the young and the healthy simply won’t do it. Sick people and old people who were getting huge subsidies — and maybe the ability to buy insurance on the private market for the first time in a long while — would overcome any obstacles, because if you’re spending $15,000 a year on health care, it’s worth a lot of your time to make sure that you have insurance. But if your biggest annual health-care expense is contact lens solution, you may just decide to skip it and pay the fine.

The administration estimates that it needs 2.7 million young healthy people on the exchange, out of the 7 million total expected to apply in the first year. If the pool is too skewed — if it’s mostly old and sick people on the exchanges — then insurers will lose money, and next year, they’ll sharply increase premiums. The healthiest people will drop out, because insurance is no longer such a good deal for them. Rinse and repeat and you have effectively destroyed the market for individual insurance policies. It’s called the “death spiral,” and the exchanges, like the mandate, were designed to keep it from happening.

Without the exchanges, the death spiral seems almost assured. The amount of work required to find a policy, figure out your subsidy, buy coverage and file the paperwork will be very high. And it’s unlikely that folks who can’t even be bothered to go to ehealthinsurance.com right now will do it. The Affordable Care Act made the task of signing up young healthy people on the exchanges even harder with its much-loved requirement that companies allow kids to stay on their parents’ policies until they’re 26, which took millions of potential buyers out of the pool. The ones who are left are going to be disproportionately poorer and less well educated than the middle-class offspring who can get cheap insurance through mom and dad. There’s a reason that virtually every person you’ve seen written up in an article as they tried to get insurance at a community center or clinic is some combination of over 55, retired or afflicted with a serious chronic condition.

Once the death spiral happens, it’s very difficult to recover from. That’s why if the exchanges don’t work soon, we need to hit the reset button and try again next year. This will be very, very difficult: Insurers are already selling policies under the new regulations, and those regulations have driven up costs for existing buyers. People who have been counting on being able to buy insurance through the exchanges will have to spend another year without. And of course, it will be politically embarrassing. But it will be even more politically embarrassing to get to December and find out that we have commanded millions of Americans to buy insurance on a system that doesn’t work. And it is not a good bargain to cover some people now, but in doing so, to make insurance unaffordable for millions more in a few years. If we can’t launch the system correctly, then we need to wait until we can.

Which is all the more reason the Republicans should of fought harder to defund this horrible horrible law. At least fight to delay it. But no, when the Democrats didn’t blink our leadership folded like spineless jellyfish.

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And then we pivot to IMMIGRATION.

According to some “informed” Obama supporters, it’s all Bush’s fault.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DTZT8i5e2Rs

Curt I’m sure you meant to write “if the debt limit is NOT raised the whole country will not burn.”
Most don’t want to find out.
The Tea Party branch— Cruz backed by Jim DeMint and Heritage foundation whose primary goal is to defund ObamaCare vs Boehner and Karl Rove Repubs.–re open Govt. and raise the Debt cceiling at least short term–secure some concessions from BHO while allowing ACA to move forward.
Boehner has already beat back one attempt to oust him.
As expected, Senate will pass the vote vote today.The vote in the House today or tomorrow is not yet certain. Will enough “moderate” Repubs. BUCK Cruz and vote with Dems. to pass. Probably. Will Cruz wing go after Boehner again–uncertain.
Note Cruz wing screaming RINO at moderates Some on Boehner side like King of N.Y calling Cruz a RINO—not a traditional Repub.
Market rallying in anticipation of Senate AND House passage.I believe a sell off coming either way.

Enjoy the day—2 great baseball play off games on tap.

@Richard Wheeler:

The Tea Party branch— Cruz backed by Jim DeMint and Heritage foundation whose primary goal is to defund ObamaCare vs Boehner and Karl Rove Repubs.–re open Govt. and raise the Debt cceiling at least short term–secure some concessions from BHO while allowing ACA to move forward.

Please tell us when the debt limit ceiling has ever been raised “at least short term” only to be lowered again.

What concessions from BHO are you speaking of when BHO has already announced “No negotiations. My way or the high way”?

Will Cruz wing go after Boehner again–uncertain

It seems to me that it is the Boehner/ King/ Rove cabal that is going after Cruz, not the other way around.

@retire05: Think you meant “debt ceiling raised short term only to be RAISED again.” Or extended? Would agree once raised it won’t be lowered anytime soon–or ever. Concessions being made by Obama with only minor change to ACA. These concessions allow Senate passage.House passage ?? but probable.
As mentioned, some Repubs. have criticized Cruz “intransigence” but Boehner personally would like to make nice with Cruz and T.P.

@Richard Wheeler:

: Think you meant “debt ceiling raised short term only to be RAISED again.”

I meant what I said. If a debt limit is raised “short term only” it means that when that short term is over, the debt limit goes back to the original limit, not stay higher. Think of it this way: you ask your credit card company to raise your limit for 90 days to facilitate a purchase that exceeds your current debt limit. The card company agrees, informing you that after 90 days the balance needs to be paid down to your original debt limit. Comprende?

That would also require a reduction in the debt, something that Democrats seems absolutely unconcerned about.

@Richard Wheeler:

secure some concessions from BHO

Hasn’t your hero said consistently he will not compromise. He only negotiates with Syrians, right?

@Richard Wheeler:

2 great baseball play off games on tap

you still think Dodgers are going all the way?

The good news is that America can focus on Obamacarefail

Sums it up nicely;

Bill Maher on the Aughts (2000s) George Bush, and Losing the Fifth Amendment

http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2013/10/bill-maher-on-the-2000s

And thanks to their arrogance and short sightedness the GOP will lose the House and won’t take the WH for the next 25 years.

Buh, bye….

@Redteam: I DO Kershaw on Fri. Game 7 Sat

The reality that Republicans are caving is factual. The concept that ObamaCare is imploding is fantasy.
And Republicans and teabaggers accomplished exactly what?

Why do Republicans and teabaggers hate 99% of Americans and have no qualms of inflicting as much pain on them as possible.

@Redteam:” BHO Won’t negotiate”?? You’ve never believed BHO before. WHY NOW?

@This one: when you buh bye will you leave for good ……cuz you really are an idiot asshole……

Did any sane person not forsee this result? It was pre ordained. Cruz and friends flexed their muscles and shut down the govt . but in the end couldn’t hold moderate Repubs. “in line.”
Cruz knew the final vote would go against him. He doesn’t care. He raised his stature among the base He raised money.He stole the thunder from Paul and Rubio.
Memo to Sen. Cruz—Paul and Rubio got egos as big as yours–well not quite—and they’re gonna fight you for the Nom. Christie or Ryan probably hope to get the nod after aforementioned 3 beat each other up in the primaries. Sound familiar. Should be fun

@Ronald J. Ward:still obsessed with teabaggers, eh?

@Ronald J. Ward: would you just go and get teabagged already and quit fantisizing about it ronny

@Richard Wheeler:

Cruz and friends flexed their muscles and shut down the govt .

Wrong. The House passed numerous bills to fund the government. The shut down was caused when the President and Senate made the decision to refuse at all to negotiate (aka. compromise,) over the House bills. If one team shows up ready to play but the other refuses to even get on the bus to go to the stadium, the blame belongs to the latter.

So I guess Dems and castrated Repubs celebrate heading toward 18 trillion dollars in debt. And yes obamacare will accelerate hitting 18 trillion. I guess we get to look forward to the celebration of hitting 21 trillion by the time obama leaves office. Sanity takes a holiday which ends with a crash.

@Ditto:

The shut down was caused when the President and Senate made the decision to refuse at all to negotiate (aka. compromise,) over the House bills.

Fiction. In a negotiated compromise, both sides get something. Anyone who looked at the GOP House bills knows there wasn’t an ounce of compromise in them. That is unless you consider opening the government and avoiding a debt ceiling crisis something for the Democrats. This is was an attempt by the GOP to implement their economic plan wholesale by using the debt ceiling, the US economy in effect, as a hostage in a ransom scheme. Here’s a sample of what the GOP thinks of as a compromise.

One Year Debt Limit Increase
• Not a dollar amount increase, but suspending the debt limit until the end of December 2014.
Similar to what we did earlier this year.
• Want the year long to align with the year delay of Obamacare.
One Year Obamacare delay
Tax Reform Instructions
• Similar to a bill we passed last fall, laying out broad from Ryan Budget principles for what tax reform should look like.
• Gives fast track authority for tax reform legislation
Energy and regulatory reforms to promote economic growth
• Includes pretty much every jobs bill we have passed this year and last Congress
• All of these policies have important positive economic effects.
• Energy provisions
Keystone Pipeline
Coal Ash regulations
Offshore drilling
Energy production on federal lands
EPA Carbon regulations
• Regulatory reform
REINS Act
Regulatory process reform
Consent decree reform
Blocking Net Neutrality
Mandatory Spending Reforms
• Mostly from the sequester replacement bills we passed last year
• Federal Employee retirement reform
• Ending the Dodd Frank bailout fund
• Transitioning CFPB funding to Appropriations
• Child Tax Credit Reform to prevent fraud
• Repealing the Social Services Block grant
Health Spending Reforms
• Means testing Medicare
• Repealing a Medicaid Provider tax gimmick
• Tort reform
• Altering Disproportion Share Hospitals
• Repealing the Public Health trust Fund

Am I missing something? Where are the points of “compromise”? Is this how Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan finally get to implement their economic platform? Gee, that looks a lot like a ransom note to me.

You should all be thankful this ended the way it did. Our government can’t function if a small GOP minority in the House can force the House, a Democratic Senate and a Democratic President to unilaterally implement their policy wish list or else. The GOP has been cooking up this terrible strategy for some time, yet failed to see it had all the makings of forcing a Constitutional crisis. Remember, if this precedent had been set, some day it would have been used against your side. The GOP lost the Presidential election of 2012 and the popular vote in the House elections. Come up with a viable message, sell it, start winning elections, and then you can implement your policies the right way.

@Tom:

Not fiction, fact. Your claim is ignorant of how Congress has worked and indeed how it was designed to work, in order to create a false accusation of blame on the House for the shutdown. It is SOP for the House to present spending bills that mostly reflects what the majority party in control wants. The Bill goes to the Senate who’s ruling party responds with their own amended variation on the bill and sends it back to the House who will either accept or reject it. If it is rejected, at that point the two houses of congress usually go to conference to create a compromise spending bill.

In this case, the House and Senate presented their version of the bill to each other both were rejected by the other house, and rather than follow SOP the Senate and President refused to negotiate compromise. It is not germane that the Senate didn’t like parts of the House bill, that’s the expected norm and how it nearly always goes, (as it has when Democrats controlled the House and Republicans the Senate). The House continually said all through this that they were willing to negotiate a compromise. By refusing to go negotiate or go to conference, the Senate owns the shutdown as does Obama for his “make Americans hurt” policies in how he managed the shutdown, the same mean spirited spoiled brat modus operandus that he instituted in the sequester.

OBAMA order the shutdown and his unions had the order way ahead
to prepare the signs and barricaded
it is told by one who know a lot about it,
so don’t blame anyone else,
you cannot cover him this time,

About 36,000 accounts have been created between ObamaCare’s 1st day and Oct 16th, yesterday.
Nationwide.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/10/16/at-least-185000-people-have-applied-for-obamacare/
Obama was predicting 500,000 new applications processed in October.
Looks like we’ll be somewhat short.
An application can represent more than one person, however, the websites tell people to apply for each family member separately, so, I don’t see how.
These applications do NOT mean all of these people will really enroll and PAY their 1st monthly premium when that is due.
I wonder what percent will simply drop the idea of paying for coverage when it gets you no different care if, and when you do get sick or injured?

Nan G
THE FACT THAT THEY PUNISH ONE FOR DECIDING TO CANCEL, OR NOT PAY,
IS TELLING OF A CONTROL , YOU TAKE IT OR ELSE,
THIS IS UN AMERICAN, AND TO BE WARN VERY SERIOUSLY,
I doubt the workers of 20 hrs a day ,will be able to pay the bill,
they will be treated as felons and demonize as criminals,
this would suit perfectly OBAMA’S INTENT OF CONTROLING THE PEOPLE
HE WILL KEEP THEM FEELING THEY OWE HIM,
THE VERY TERRIBLE REALITY,

@Nan G:

HHS designed the website so that you had to apply before viewing what plans were available. The only reason to do this is to boost the numbers of applicants for political talking points.

@Ditto:

It is SOP for the House to present spending bills that mostly reflects what the majority party in control wants. The Bill goes to the Senate who’s ruling party responds with their own amended variation on the bill and sends it back to the House who will either accept or reject it.

I read that Thomas Sowell article too. This and other similar clams have been debunked, on the NRO no less. Short reason: this isn’t a bill “for raising revenue”.

In this case, the House and Senate presented their version of the bill to each other both were rejected by the other house, and rather than follow SOP the Senate and President refused to negotiate compromise. It is not germane that the Senate didn’t like parts of the House bill, that’s the expected norm and how it nearly always goes, (as it has when Democrats controlled the House and Republicans the Senate). The House continually said all through this that they were willing to negotiate a compromise. By refusing to go negotiate or go to conference, the Senate owns the shutdown as does Obama for his “make Americans hurt” policies in how he managed the shutdown, the same mean spirited spoiled brat modus operandus that he instituted in the sequester.

You really have no problem reconfiguring reality. This all started with a clean CR. That’s the baseline. The House GOP refused to bring it to a vote, obviously fearing it would pass (so much for “the Peoples House”). The clean CR was supported by the President, the Senate and the majority of the House. The GOP, not having the votes to pass their agenda, waited for the opportunity to use the leverage of a government shutdown and the debt ceiling to apply pressure and exert a price. When you ask someone for something, the consequence being something bad will happen if you refuse, that’s blackmail, plain and simple. The White House said from the beginning that they wouldn’t negotiate with a gun to their heads. The GOP already did this in 2011 and exerted a small price then, so it wasn’t too difficult to see the precedent that was forming. If Obama gave them one concession as a trade off for opening the government or raising the debt ceiling, then the precedent would be set and this would just happen again and again. Any clear thinking individual would recognize this for what it is and the danger it posed to a functioning government .The House’s little stunt cost the US billions as it is, and for what?

The reason the final Senate bill was acceptable is because it actually was a negotiation with each side getting something, something above and beyond opening the government and raising the debt ceiling. This is what has been lost upon the Right, this conviction that opening the government or raising the debt ceiling can never be placed on the table as negotiable items to be “traded” to the Democrats for GOP policy concessions. Keeping our government functional and averting economic disaster aren’t the provenance of one political party, they’re everyone’s responsibility. It’s sad that individuals are so consumed with ends that they no longer care about the means.

All I hear is the debt ceiling, it needs to be raised or we are gonna default (falsehood)…Our debts are covered without raising the debt ceiling..

Just political GAMES….

But…OK, so what do the Democrats need more money for? What do they want to spend it on now? Why is it not possible for the party of the Democrats to Compromise on pulling in the reins on spending?

Why do the Democrats continually want a BLANK CHECK?

What is the average Middle class American (like me) getting for all the hard earned money the Government keeps stealing out of my paycheck? Oh, wait, I’ll answer that NOTHING!!

I hope the whole system keeps on imploding…it is unsustainable…perhaps the Republicans should just shut up and watch it implode…on it’s own…

just learn that ATHEIST DEMAND OPRAH TO APOLOGYSE,
SHE SHOULD NOT, AND TELL HER TO STIFU,
CAN YOU BELIEVE THEY ASK TO TAKE OF THE 10 COMMANDS
WHICH HAVE BEEN THERE OUTSIDE FOR MANY YEARS,
AND SOMEONE PUT THE SCULPTURE DOWN,
IT WAS FOUND ON THE GROUND, SOME TIMES AFTER,
THAT GROUP ARE A PAIN IN THE NECK THEY TAKE THEIR POWER FROM THE MUSLIM, OR BECAUSE OF THE MUSLIM,
PLEASE GOD PROTECT AMERICA,

@Bees#31 – Hi Bees ! You are so right!! It IS a travesty and we need all your blessed prayers Bees THANK YOU so MUCH!!!!

I believe in Karma Bees…what goes around will come around…and worse…

Keeping our government functional and averting economic disaster aren’t the provenance of one political party, they’re everyone’s responsibility. It’s sad that individuals are so consumed with ends that they no longer care about the means.

I’m not sure you understand what just happened, and are a little misguided by the leftist propaganda out there.

The Reps got the sequester (which is still on) prior, and the present “caving” is merely going back to the very clean CR they wanted before Cruz and crew pressed for something even harsher. Having backed out on that, they still handed the Dems their lunch and have save the American people further tribulation in the form of overspending by a lame-duck administration.

Damn. The media has so many people completely misguided that it’s hard to walk anywhere without stepping in B.S. I suggest you read a little more before cheerleading for an admin that is destined to become one of America’s biggest losers.

If the New York Times tells you the sky is Green, just look up, see for yourself, and say “no, it’s blue”. Employing that kind of logic will take you out of the blind electorate of usedful idiots and back into the land of responsible citizens, worthy of representation and personal integrity.

@Dave Brickner: A great article, and strangely objective while offering conclusions.

FAITH7
THANK YOU,
I too believe so strongly in the power of GOD,
AS an orphan , i did ask him to be my father, so to replace the human father i lost then,
and at five years old one evening I told him that he must answer my demand everytime,
HE DID ALWAYS,AND AS I SAW IT COMING, IT RESTRAINE ME TO BECOME GREEDY, AND ENVIOUS,
THE 10 COMMANDS WHERE MY LAW AS TIME WENT BY, IT PROTECTED ME AS A TEENAGE,
INCREDIBLY, UNBELIEVEBLY, I don’t talk of it just sometimes, at the right person,
bye

Ditto
Iwatch a tv chanel show by astrophysician about the MAGNETIC MANY RIBBONS
OF THE EARTH, they are getting weaker and it allowe the SUN MAGNETIC TO PASS INSIDE
MORE AND MORE EVERY ELEVEN YEARS OF ULTRA FLARES IN THE SUN,
THEY EXPLAINED THE GREAT DANGERS COULD HIT US WITH THE SUN FLARES,
IT WAS SCARY ESPECIALY IN WINTER UP NORTHEN PART, AND THEY SAID THIS IS ON A GLOBAL SCALE
IT COULD GRILL A WHOLE ELECTRIC SYSTEM AND ALSO THE SATELLITES BECOMING MUTES,
AND THEY ENUMERATED ALL THE NON FONCTIONED VERY IMPORTANT DEVICES WE USE,
IT’S SOMETHING TO THINK OF, ESPECIALLY THE GROCERY STORE WOULD NOT HAVE FREEZER
TO KEEP THE FOOD,
THIS TOLD ME THAT WE HAVE TO BUY DRY FOOD AND CAN FOOD, EVEN THE WATER WOULD NOT BE SAFE, SO WE HAVE TO BUY WATER IN BOTTLE ALSO, IT TELL US HOW SPOILED WE ARE NOW
BUT IT CAN CHANGE WITH A FLICK OF THE SUN,
AND WE WOULD NEED COAL TO HEAT OUR HOUSES,
LOOK HOW THEY TRY TO ELIMINATE IT, THE COAL WOULD SAVE LIVES
BYE

@retire05: great reply but dick wheeler will not understand till someone from media matters distorts it for him

@Ditto: ditto ditto

Nathan Blue
you are so right,
I notice such arrogance in the DEMOCRAT FROM TOP TO BOTTOM
EXCEPT JOE MANCHIN,
the other think they are superior to the REPUBLICANS AND GOPS AND TEA,PARTY,
BUT REALY THE TWO SIDES NEED EACH OTHER TO FONCTION, SO THEY ARE EQUAL,
EVEN THE DEM MORE DEPENDANT TO THE OTHER SIDE,
SO THEY BETTER TAKE THAT FACT SERIOUSLY AND SPARE OTHER FROM INSULTS,
BYE

@retire05: I never said anything about the debt ceiling being lowered.
One concession was agreeing to tighter income verification requirements for people who receive Obamacare subsidies.
Tea Party Repubs. have attempted to replace Boehner before. They’d love to switch him out. Boehner knows Cruz isn’t going away anytime soon.
DIARHHEA- You got a way with words.

@Nathan Blue:

the present “caving” is merely going back to the very clean CR they wanted before Cruz and crew pressed for something even harsher. Having backed out on that, they still handed the Dems their lunch and have save the American people further tribulation in the form of overspending by a lame-duck administration.

Hilarious, Mr. Blue Sky. The rare handing of the lunch while backing out of self-inflicted idiocy victory. I’m happy you find it a victory that the GOP gave us almost the same thing we could have had for free, at the measly little price of one failed defund Obamacare government shut down debacle. It would almost sounds like a laughable hyper-partisan fever dream, the perfect coupling of idiocy and self-delusion, if you – clearly a level headed chap – weren’t the one making it. I doubt even Ted Cruz is quite so sanguine, unless you’re talking about how he feels about his newly flush campaign war chest. America will just have to wait until the next election to thank the GOP for saving us the fiscal tribulation. And to think it only cost us $24B. ,

Nathan Blue
do you see the Tom comment so arrogant like the other Democrats
speaking to CONSERVATIVES, ALL INFLATED BY IT,
LIKE A FROG STORY I KNOW,
BYE

@ilovebeeswarzone:

I grant you there is a certain quixotic brand of arrogance in attempting to elucidate the seemingly obvious to the irrationally entrenched. It’s like trying to teach your cat algebra. I have a feeling you have a cat, so go try that and report back the results.

Tom
sorry to disappoint you, CAUSE I don’t have a cat,
and yes you are arrogant,

Unfortunately, as the younger supporters of this disastrous law age a little, and find out that the government machinery will dictate AND REDUCE which surgeries or other medical procedures will be ALLOWED or “covered,” they will understand the abject failure of government controlled ANYTHING.

Bureaucrats will be forced to pick and choose WHAT will be afforded, and whose healthcare will be financed. Try being over 80, looking for a life-saving operation, and see if you can call Obama to send a check. Even with sky-rocketing costs – the amounts collected won’t be enough.

Everyone will be shocked when asked to pay for some prescribed drugs and for procedures (elective or not) — “What? I’m covered. Obama told me I was covered. Why won’t you re-emburse me?” Answer: “Sorry, what’s covered changes each month, and these aren’t covered. Oh, and stay tuned, because the list is shrinking by the day.”

Amazingly, the problem isn’t that Obama and his crew can’t get a web site built, it will always have problems. The real problem is that nothing has been done to reduce the overall costs of healthcare, and costs WILL escalate. The socialists, well ensconced in the bureaucracy will self-righteously decide who will live or die, and who will pay.

Allowing “Pre-existing conditions” is a misleading canard – when the statist bureaucrats are through with implementing what they determine is their meaning of “healthcare,” even newborns will want to overturn this catastrophe.

Meanwhile, the liar-in-chief continues to lie each time he addresses the Nation, and he still gets over 35% approval. Insanity prevails.

he said don’t listen to radio, don’t go to blog ecetera what is this?
does OBAMA WANT TO BAN EVERY COMMUNICATION?

no guts, no glory, no balls

James Raider
I READ THAT GOOGLE HAS REACH OVER THE 1000 DOLAR SHARE,
I am glad for them, because i like the policy they have,
that is to leave you take and chose, or leave options they present,
they gave 1000 dollars to their employees a couple of years ago,
that is good,
what do you think?
bye

CHRIS NOTH IS AN UGLY MINUS ,
UNWORTHY OF THE TEA PARTY, HE LIKE TO INSULT,
CHOKE ON YOUR WORD CHRIS,

WE HAVE TO STAND UP FOR THE TEA PARTY, TRUE AMERICANS,
BECAUSE THE DEMOCRATS HAS MADE THEM LOOK SO BAD WITH THEIR LIES,
THEY FEAR THOSE FAMILIES FROM ALL OVER THE USA SO MUCH
BECAUSE THEY EXPOSE THE GOVERNMENT DANGEROUS HABITS
WHICH ARE UNAMERICAN, AND IT’S UGGLY, AND POISON FOR THIS COUNTRY,
THE TEA PARTY IS ON THE PEOPLE SIDE ALWAYS TRUSTED