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Wordsmith
I found out why it seems to me so weird to hear the PRESIDENT BUSH words OF PRAISE,
about the MUSLIMS in AMERICA,
he made a big mistake to my view, or is it his speechs writers
he should have balance it by praising AMERICANS first and expand it by
telling the MUSLIM how lucky they are to be in AMERICA,with such braves AMERICANS
who go around the world to help free the countries who abuse their PEOPLE,
by the way, my question point, Is in it why those MUSLIMS ARE EMIGRATING?
or is it to destroy AMERICA, WITH OBAMA’s help? AND MAKE A SHARIA COUNTRY? no more CHRISTIANITY
OR GOD’S PRAYERS
FOR ALL,
YES THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE LIKE
THE PRESIDENT BUSH,
it”s just that i was disapointed for someting seem to be missing, and i found it just now,ON MY PREVIOUS COMMENT TO REDTEAM,
BYE

retire05
yes you said it so perfectly on te dot as usual,
and very interesting to read,
bye

@Wordsmith: What is best time and station for Medved? Thanks

@Richard Wheeler:

What is best time and station for Medved? Thanks

thought you were a regular listener….

@RedteamYou’re answering for Word now? You really oughta get a life RT.
Where did I say I was “a regular listener” of Medved? You seem to have a penchant for making things up.

@Redteam:

@RedteamYou’re answering for Word now? You really oughta get a life RT.

Redteam, so is RW now creating new rules saying you have no right to inject yourself into a conversation between him and someone else on this site? If that is the case, and it is applicable to him, boy, is that going to crimp his style.

retire05
he, RICHARD WHEELER must be going banana,
because I do it all the time,
bye

@Richard Wheeler:

Where did I say I was “a regular listener” of Medved?

Now someone has to keep up with what you said for you?

@retire05:

is that going to crimp his style.

Well, not too much really, his style got crimped a long time ago when he started swilling the Dimocrat flavored KoolAid.

@Redteam: I NEVER said I was a regular listener of Medved. Once again you made something up.Your pattern continues. I find you laughable.

@Richard Wheeler:

I NEVER said I was a regular listener of Medved. Once again you made something up.Your pattern continues. I find you laughable.

Point out ‘where’ I said that you said you were a regular listener of Medved?

@Redteam: # 304 “thought you were a regular listener.”

Seriously Are you alright?

@Richard Wheeler:

# 304 “thought you were a regular listener.”

See, I didn’t say that you said you were a regular listener, I said ‘I thought you were’ and you ask if I’m ok? Have they changed the flavor of your Dimocrat KoolAid?

@Redteam: You’re a clown RT. I love it.

@Richard Wheeler:

You’re a clown RT. I love it.

Now I know they haven’t changed the flavor. You are watching the game, right?

Wordsmith
did it occur to you that the Muslims are the only religion
who have brought DEATH OF THOUSANDS AMERICANS,
AND DARED TO BULID A MANY MOSQUES,
all approved by this leadership EVEN GETTING THEM IN THE WHITE HOUSE,
NO OTHER COUNTRIES HAS BEEN UNDER SCRUTINY BY THE AMERICANS,
WHY AND WHY NOT, ITS SURELY A NORMAL THING TO SUSPECT THEIR MOTIVES
KNOWING IT NOW, THEY HAVE TO PROVE THE CONTRARY, IT’S THEIR TO SHOW,
AND NOT THE AMERICANS WHO ARE DEAD BY THEM.

@Wordsmith:

Do you know why zawahiri is a “former MB member”?

Never asked him. Perhaps you can. Or perhaps it is because he joined AQ and decided it was the better route for his violence aimed at the infidel West.

So every time I use the word “islamaphobe” I should put a proclaimer with it “created by CAIR, besties with the Muslim Brotherhood”? Do you have a citation for the claim that CAIR coined “Islamaphobe”? Because I’m not sold on that one.

Seek, and ye shall find.

okay, so if you were president in the aftermath of 9/11, how would you have “blocked a backlash against anyone”? Because there’s anti-semitism in the world in general, you think Jews would experience an immediate backlash and revival of Jew-hatred because Islamic terror was being blamed as the culprit? What? Native Americans? Liberals blamed? Please clarify.

What backlash? You even admitted there were few incidents against Muslim in the immediate aftermath of 9-11-2001. So just what backlash were we worried about?
If there was going to be a backlash, it would have started prior to Bush’s statement with the Islamists standing behind him. Claiming there might be a backlash (a tactic perfected by the Al Sharptons and Jesse Jacksons of the world) doesn’t a backlash make.

You wrote:

And while your CNN author says “We’re not at war with Islam”, is seems quite clear that a majority of Islam is at war with us. I suggest you read Pew Research’s surveys with the Islamic world about Muslim attitudes about jihad and the western world.

Thanks for the suggestion. 😉

CAIR Care to link to it?

Why should I provide you with a link when you show later on in your response to me, that you are fully aware of how to do research on Pew’s website. Are you being factious?

More old news. You can find commenters on the YouTube embed that bring up this same points. But thanks for linking to Pam Geller’s interview.

And I linked to Pam Geller’s interview where? I don’t care for Pam Geller, or her side kick, Robert Spencer.

Are you in de nile that there hasn’t been some dissent that doesn’t hinge on “hatred”, “racism”, “religious bigotry”, and “Islamophobia”?

No, and you know better. There has also been some dissent that hinges on “hatred”, “racism” and “religious bigotry” against Jews and Christians. Dissent against Muslims seems to be miniscule compared to the violence (hate crimes) against Jews in America.

For conspiratorial crap, I’m talking about birthers and Obama being a closet Muslim out to intentionally destroy America.

I cannot prove where, or where not, Obama was born. I don’t accept the claims of this administration on anything. As to Obama being a “closet” Muslim, I can only go by his own words. And the fact that I think he is probably an agnostic, at best, who used a Black Liberation Theology church as a stepping stone to political office and influence. Considering his church activities in Chicago, his participation would show he is more Marxist than Muslim.

Please recognize instances where there is founded racist attitudes toward this president (and hatred), as fervently as you defend when there isn’t.

Where did I make the claim there are NO racist attitudes toward Obama? Quote me EXACTLY. Or are you using RWs tactics of trying to put words in my mouth that were never there? Ironicially, the two people I know who said they were not going to vote for Obama because of his skin tone were DEMOCRATS.

Now, Word, if you want to debate me, please stick to what I said, not what you want to claim I said. Do your own research about CAIR and the MB. Or remain uninformed; it is your choice.

Word,

here is the information you wanted since you seem to want to limit your research time to zero:

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=777

@retire05: Retire, thanks for that link, tho I wasn’t looking for it. It has some good information. I wasn’t aware (and didn’t care) where the term originated. It does make me wonder if a similar term were created by those same people to indicate the depth of hatred for America. The really strange thing, to me, is why so many people, that hate this country, want to live here for the sole purpose of undermining the country.
you said:

I don’t accept the claims of this administration on anything. As to Obama being a “closet” Muslim, I can only go by his own words. And the fact that I think he is probably an agnostic, at best, who used a Black Liberation Theology church as a stepping stone to political office and influence. Considering his church activities in Chicago, his participation would show he is more Marxist than Muslim.

I basically think that political influence and power are the only things that concern Obama and he is willing to use any tactics, be it Muslim or Marxist to achieve his goals. The church in Chicago was only a tool for him.

Redteam:

As I said, I think Obama is agnostic, at best. And yes, I think Jeremiah Wright, Jr.’s church was simple an opportunity for Obama to “meet and greet” potential voters in a community that would be leery of an outsider, which he was.

But it was Obama’s own words that stirred the “Obama is a Muslim” theory:

From the Nicolas Kristoff interview with Obama:

Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it’ll give Alabama voters heart attacks), Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.”

Question: would a kid, educated in Italy only until the age of 10, still have a “first-rate” accent 40 years later?

I also believe that Obama holds more sympathy toward Islam than he does Christianity. Remember, he wrote a book on how he went chasing the dreams FROM his father, not OF his father. His father was a committed Muslim.

Redteam, I suggest you do a little research into the Islamic infiltration in our schools. Programs, sympathetic toward Islam, trying to present Islam in an extremely favorable light with none of the violence, is being shoved into American schools. The same schools that would be sued by the ACLU if a high school class was taught how to say a Christian prayer are teaching their children all about Islam. Oh, they dodge the “separation” issue by calling Islam a “culture.” I wonder if the Egyptian Copts think Islam is a “culture.”

We must start being open and honest about Islam, and the fact that ObL, KSM, et al, are not outliers. They are fundamentalists who attract millions to their way of jihad. They are NOT the Islamic answer to Christian snake handlers. Nan, who is here often, is quite informed on this.

@retire05:

Redteam, I suggest you do a little research into the Islamic infiltration in our schools. Programs, sympathetic toward Islam, trying to present Islam in an extremely favorable light with none of the violence, is being shoved into American schools.

Retire, that is good advice for everyone, especially those with children and grandchildren in the public schools. My youngest grandchild is now in the 7th grade in public school in Louisiana. It amazes me at the things he says that ‘comes from what he’s learned in school’. Tho teachers in Louisiana are leaving the unions in droves, they have spent most of their lives being indoctrinated into liberalism, marxism, etc and they can’t or won’t change soon. From the time when Marxists realized that they could take over the universities and teach the teachers who would indoctrinate the children, it has been a downhill slide for America. If I were in a PTO for local schools, I would recommend that one parent sit in on their child’s classes on some regular basis. Raising awareness of what is being taught in schools is very important.

Redteam
THIS IS SO DANGEROUS, the children will become like the youth of HITLER
spying on their parents to sell them to the MUSLIMS,

@Redteam:

One of the evils in our school districts is the American Library Association. In many school districts, including the districts in Texas, teachers have a wide latitude in selecting extra curriculum learning materials. In one particular case, a book Looking for Alaska was approved by the ALA for use in junior high literature classes. Looking for Alaska is a story of teen drugs and sex the ALA says is suitable for young adults. Odd that a person is still considered a kid at 25 for the purpose of staying on their parents health care, but a young “adult” is 12-18 by ALA standards.

The National Endowment for the Humanities (yes, there is such a thing) and the ALA partnered to award books about Islam, and Muslims, to over 800 libraries in the U.S. Once those libraries were given the award, the ALA wrote them encouraging the libraries to recommend other libraries. Those books, often pornographic, and generally full of violence, are recommended by the ALA for use in the class room and it is suggested to the public librarian to encourage teachers to use the books. If you want information on the program, Google Muslim Journeys.

If you want to know where the teacher’s unions are taking American elementary education, read Antonio Gramsci’s philosophy on the education of children and tell me what is different from him and the teacher’s unions.

the UNIONS must be full of MUSLIMS, employed teachers,
THE FREE INDOCTRINATION OF THE YOUTH OF AMERICA,
nobody gives a damn

@ilovebeeswarzone:

Bees, a lot of people care. That is one of the reasons that home schooling is on the rise. Parents can group together and if they have trouble with a subject (math, science, history) they can pull a parent out of the group to teach the kids together. I was told by our school district superintendent that due to the cost of frogs, students now dissect a frog on line because it is cheaper. Home schooling parents have access to the same educational programs.

If my kids were school age, they would not be in a public school under any circumstances.

retire05
I didn”t know this was accepted, YES IT WOULD BE VERY GOOD,,
I remember those German immigrants with many children
the where schooling them at home and it was told they where deported back
to GERMANY,
they had immigrated because they where not allowed to do it in GERMANY,
THE RIGHT HOMESTYLE is perfect for learning a ton of subjects , where a child is relax and feel safe,
even more now with this nasty influence in some school,
unfortunatly, not all parents can do it if they work or for other reason,
BYE

@ilovebeeswarzone:

It is illegal to home school your children in Germany. A policy that was implemented by the Hitler government. If the federal government, along with the U.S. teacher’s unions, it would be the same here.

retire05
yes it seems to be, because the GERMAN FAMILY refuse to put their children in school
in the USA and where deported back,
I don’t know what happened to them, they came thinking of this AMERICA IS FREE,
THEY FOUND IT ENSLAVED IN LAWS AND ENTITELMENTS,
THE LAST FREE COUNTRY OF THE GLOBE ?

@retire05: One of the reasons they have remained socialist.

People that live in the US and do not have reason to fear Islam are woefully out of touch with reality.
I don’t care which direction it is coming from, they are not working FOR the benefit of society in the US.

TOM
ON YOUR 268
if he is so intelligent, why does he need so many lawyers and advisers
and thousands of public employees
on the taxpayer pockets, he open agency on top of agency to do his job,
that”s the easy way to govern, anyone can do it, even an idiot can govern this way,

@Wordsmith:

I think that last link I gave is a perfect place for you to do some additional reading and research outside of your anti-Islam echo chamber.

Well, I guess that about says it all. With one of the first rattles out of the box, you smear me with the accusation that I am a bigot. How does that work for someone who claims to subscribe to “center-right extremism, a moderate-conservative point of view?” Lobbing accusations at those who disagree with you, pegs the meter to the left.

I’m just wanting to know how honest you are being with your source claims.

I see. The old “honesty” test. Let’s see how honest you are when you admit that you demanded my links for no other reason to try to trip me up. Let’s see how long that takes.

Point me to an example of where in all of your debates you’ve ever acknowledged or conceded a racist attitude toward Obama or a bigoted attitude toward Muslims

Ah, yes, more Alinsky. I don’t like Obama, think he is a terrible president, don’t trust him, think he is a liar of the first degree, and I agree with the very comments you made about him, but that makes me the racist. Odd how that works in some people’s minds.

As to being anti-Muslim; no, I do not trust Muslims. I understand their “religion” (which it really is not, considering the political aspect of Islam) and realize that some people will buy their falsehoods. The Islamists even have a name for the act of lying to an infidel, Word. If you don’t know it, look it up. What a hoot you are, Word. I imagine in 1942 you would be chastising Americans who spoke ill of the American Nazi Bund, claiming they were American Nazis and should not be compared to the radical Nazis of Germany.

And how on God’s green earth would Nicholas Kristoff know whether or not President Obama spoke with a “first rate” accent?

Perhaps you should ask Nicholas Kristoff, and not me, since I did not write his article.

And about the Birthers, you said:

Because they want to believe it.

Why do you indirectly lump me in with them? I have NEVER claimed Obama was NOT born in Hawaii although at the time of his birth, it was possible (and legal) for parents to obtain a Hawaiian birth certificate for a child not born in Hawaii. Nor have I ever claimed he was a Muslim, quite the contrary, yet you choose to ignore that.

Word, you may claim to be “center-right” but you use all the tactics of a left winger. Why is that? Perhaps it is you who is not being honest.

@Wordsmith:

In my best retire voice: “Where did I say you were a bigot? Quit putting words in my mouth!”

Well, let’s see:

your anti-Islam echo chamber

If I say that you hold “anti” Catholic, or “anti” Hispanic or “anti” Chinese opinions, that denotes a bias, or bigotry that you hold against those groups. You can try to spin that, but sorry, it doesn’t fly.

Do you disagree though, that you are “anti-Islam”?

Anti-Islam? Nope. And if you had ever bothered to read other posts by me on the subject, you would know that I generally stated my opposition to radical Islam. But that would not serve your agenda.

Hey, I’m not a fan of the faith; Mata is not a fan of the faith.

So you are ANTI-Islam then by your own standards? And what does Mata have to do with it? She is listed as a “former” author here. So frankly, I don’t see why you drug her into the mix.

Yet there’s a distinct difference between critics of Islam and those afflicted with Islamophobia.

Why don’t you give us your expert definition between the two. You are a expert in bigotry, right?

If you want to be labeled something else because you find the term offensive rather than a badge of honor, then let me know what you’d prefer. Whatever the label, your words have spoken for themselves, regardless of what I say or suggest.

So more digs, Word? Is it possible for you to have a discussion without lobbing insults, no matter how vague you try to make them?

Where did I call you specifically, a “bigot”?

You said:

Point me to an example of where in all of your debates you’ve ever acknowledged or conceded a racist attitude toward Obama

If you want an acknowledgement or concession of my racist attitude toward Obama, then you must be of the opinion that I have one. A racist is a bigot, Word. If I have any color bias against Obama it is not because he is a black, but because I think he is a Red.

I have no problem with anyone being critical of Islam. But there’s a difference between being a critic and….being something else.

Now did I just accuse you of being that “something else” in the above comment? No. But if you think the shoe fits….I wasn’t the one that threw it at you; even if part of me wanted to.

When did you stop beating your wife? Don’t deny you beat your wife. I am of the opinion you did, so consequently it must be true. If you deny beating your wife, I will simply accuse you of being in denial.

When I was typing out my response, I almost added, “In my best retire voice, ‘Maybe you should ask Kristof since I didn’t write it. He did.’” because of your bizarre response that sidestepped my question to you regarding Zawahiri and MB. It’s essentially taking the lazy way out of answering a challenge. Just deflect and ignore.

I do not presume to speak for Kristoff. Perhaps you think you have the authority to speak for others, but I do not.

And if you want the connection between Zawahiri and the Muslim Brotherhood, or CAIR and the Muslim Brotherhood, I suggest you do your own research, just as I did. I am not your research lackey but you seem to think I am.

Um…because I haven’t? Seriously is it okay to talk to you about OTHERS without your paranoid brain assuming I am talking about you?

Then perhaps you should stop insinuating that I am like those you talk about. It is not paranoia when someone is actually attacking you.

But before you do so, first take a good hard long stare at yourself in the mirror.

Well, not all of us can be a hotshot with a degree from one of the most liberal universities in the nation in the top 97% of his class (which means there were only 3% below you).

retire05
I like your comments, you come here as serious and straight forward,
the real AMERICAN WAY,no fooling around with you,
you’re here to give an opinion, THAT IS THE BLOGGING TRUTH,
and you are blogging good at it,
if they try to change you, they can’t, because you are the steel rod which was dip in fire so to never be bent
by anyone, YOUR ROOTS ARE DEEP AND RISE UP TO THE SUN,
take a good hard look at what I just said LOOK AT THE MIRROR AND see how the mirror reflect aTRUE AMERICAN
who never let DOWN HIS AMERICA, AND LOVE HIS TEXAS

@ilovebeeswarzone: You, RT and 05– zealots.
Word,Mata and Aqua– Compassionate Conservatives in the truest, most positive sense.

Richard Wheeler
I saw an add about the hearth burn TO TAKE TUMS,
the CHRISMAS TURKEY IS ALL COOK and on the table,
the man put it standing up on a nice platter,
he get closer with his knife, and the turkey open his wings and attack him,
he back up and is wounded.
his hearth burn are killing him,
good that he had some tums to sooth fast ,
BYE

@ilovebeeswarzone: Good for the turkey lol

@Richard Wheeler:

: You, RT and 05– zealots.

Define the word ‘zealot’ as you think it applies to me.

Word,Mata and Aqua– Compassionate Conservatives in the truest, most positive sense.

Don’t know Aqua’s leanings, but Word and Mata do not fit my definition of Compassionate Conservative. Compassionate Conservatives do not spend major time criticizing conservatives and occasionally criticize liberals.

Hey, I heard Krauthammer today say “When a doctor determines that the treatment is killing the patient, he should stop the treatment” Seems as if the Dims haven’t learned that lesson yet.

@Wordsmith:

What I meant was when have you ever see something that is racist in regards to Obama,

That seems to imply, but I don’t want to put words into anyone’s mouth, that someone doesn’t see anything racist in regards to Obama.
My attitude would be a little different. I see racism in practically everything he does, but I don’t point it out because I feel as if I would be insulting someone by insinuating that they didn’t see the same thing. But that’s one of the least of the problems with the presidency at the present. I wouldn’t care about any of that if he were in any other way qualified for the office.

@Wordsmith:

Ok, reading what you blockquoted, I see where the confusion lies. My fault for not proof-reading and making sure I was being clear. So I apologize.

Your apology is humbly accepted, and appreciated.

How about in regards to Islam? Have you ever seen any comments that could be deemed “religiously bigoted” toward Islam or Muslims?

Sure, although I cannot recall any here at FA, though I cannot say for certain there have never been any here at FA. I take a back seat to no one, Word. If I think someone, or something, is out of line, I will, and have, exercised my First Amendment rights.

In some instances you do have a point and the fault could well be mine. In others, you’re seeing yourself being “lumped in” when I’m not even talking about you.

When you are in a discussion, it generally isn’t a good idea to tell someone “Well, the other guys do this or that” if you are not applying that to the person you are in the discussion with. It leads to misconceptions. Neither you, nor I, are responsible for what other people do. I do not hold you bound by the words, or actions, of others.

Yet you are identifying yourself with the ones I am referring to. Interesting….

What is interesting is your attempt to blame me for what you did. In my circles, that is called “spin.”

@Redteam:

Word,Mata and Aqua– Compassionate Conservatives in the truest, most positive sense.

Don’t know Aqua’s leanings, but Word and Mata do not fit my definition of Compassionate Conservative. Compassionate Conservatives do not spend major time criticizing conservatives and occasionally criticize liberals.

Let’s be honest, shall we? Obviously Word, Aqua and Mata are RWs (a dedicated progressive) acceptable conservatives. When a progressive/liberal finds any conservative acceptable, you have to question their conservatism.

Compassionate Conservatism is simply a catch phrase for “not really all that conservative, but not as liberal as Nancy Pelosi or Harry Reid.”

@ilovebeeswarzone:

Thank you. I am my own person.

Hey, the San Francisco Chronicle said today they will no longer use the word Redskins when referring to the Washington Redskins. Seems they think it is a racial slur. I’m advocating no one use the word ‘Chronicle’ any longer when referring to a newspaper. It obviously is a term for a group of racists operating a newspaper. As I’ve pointed out before, when someone is pointing out ‘racists’ they are usually well experienced racists.

@retire05: Retire, I’m certainly not working toward getting on RW’s list of acceptable conservatives. All libs are on my list of folks who haven’t learned that the medicine is killing the patient.