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As the organizers of last Sunday’s “Million” Vet March attempt to distance themselves from the political partisanship, one idiot on the right stands out as the poster child for Tea Party crazy:
Larry Klayman of Freedom Watch, a conservative political advocacy group, said the country is “ruled by a president who bows down to Allah,” and “is not a president of ‘we the people.'”
“I call upon all of you to wage a second American nonviolent revolution, to use civil disobedience, and to demand that this president leave town, to get up, to put the Quran down, to get up off his knees, and to figuratively come up with his hands out,” he said.
Larry Klayman is a birther attorney and an idiot. There are legitimate problems with this president (Who is not running for re-election in 2016); and he trots out the “Obama is a Muslim” canard?! As if there is even anything wrong with that (oops…did I leave myself open? Is there some religious test I am unaware about in regards for running for the highest office in the land?).
Can we put this harmful conspiracy to rest already?! The Birther nonsense (started by Democrat Hillary supporters yet perpetuated on the right) and the Muslim-charge only helps President Obama. It doesn’t hurt him. And it makes conservatives look like a bunch of wingnuts.
Where on his presidential itinerary does he make the time to pray 5 times a day, facing Mecca? Is droning Muslims proof-positive that we have a Muslim in the White House? Isn’t the stupid stereotype that Muslims supposedly hate dogs? Don’t eat pork? Don’t drink? Yet President Obama owns a dog, has been seen eating pork and drinking beer; his wife and daughters wear neither hijab, niqab, nor burqa; and the list of un-Islamic things goes on and on…
Yet some crazies on the right insist on labeling him a closet Muslim with as much fervor as birthers insist he is not American-born; or is not a natural-born citizen; and 9/11 Troothers blather on about Building 7…
Personally, I don’t believe religion plays a vital part of President Obama’s personal life- Christian, Islam, or any other. I think his decision to join Reverend Wright’s church was a political calculation. He might have had a 20 year membership; but I don’t think he sat in the Trinity United Church much more than he attends church today as president. I could be wrong, as it’s just speculation on my part.
But in regards to his religious affiliation? It isn’t Islam.
A former fetus, the “wordsmith from nantucket” was born in Phoenix, Arizona in 1968. Adopted at birth, wordsmith grew up a military brat. He achieved his B.A. in English from the University of California, Los Angeles (graduating in the top 97% of his class), where he also competed rings for the UCLA mens gymnastics team. The events of 9/11 woke him from his political slumber and malaise. Currently a personal trainer and gymnastics coach.
The wordsmith has never been to Nantucket.
WORDSMITH
THE 2.8 MILLION VOTES MISSING ARE THE ONES WHO WHERE SWITCH RIGHT ON THE VOTING BOOT.
plus OBAMA’S TROOPS DEAD AND ALIVED WHERE BUSY ON THE SPOT THEY KNOW WHERE,
HE WON BY ONE MILLION VOTES, AND THE 2.8 MILLIONS FOR ROMNEY WAS A SURE WIN FOR HIM,
HE COULD HAVE CONTEST IT, BUT HE SAW WHAT KIND OF PEOPLE HE WAS AGAINST, AND
TO PRESERVE HIS BIG FAMILY, HE DECIDE TO CONCEDE THE ELECTION TO OBAMA,
IF IT DOESN’T CHANGE THE ELECTION ARE NO MORE TO BE TRUSTED BY THE PEOPLE,
THE FRAMERS MUST BE TURNING IN THEIR GRAVES,
I’ve been reading with some interest the back and forth between 05 and Word, noting the occasional insert of RT and bees.
As a Democrat, I’d like to assert unequivocally, that I wouldn’t know Alinsky if he walked through my front door. I wouldn’t know rule 1 from 3 from 6. The posters here, who know and quote his rules, seem to be the one’s who actually employ them??
re Bees #151 Should we be concerned that many other radicals believe as does Ms. Bees?
@Richard Wheeler: And of course one of Alinsky’s rules is to deny that you are familiar with the rules and to clearly state that you don’t use Alinsky’s rules.
Richard Wheeler
you call the truth radical, you should have paid attention during the election,
4 BRAVES GOT KILLED IN BENGHASI AND NO ONE CAME TO SUPORT THEM,
NO ONE FROM THE BIGGEST MILITARY OF THE WORLD WITH THE FASTEST PLANES,
WAS ALLOWED TO GO, SO TO NOT DISTURB THE ELECTION,
THAT’S RADICAL FOR YOU,
YES YOU SHOULD BE CONCERN FOR THE RIGHT REASON,
@Wordsmith:
My comprehension skills are excellent, Word, but I will admit not nearly as great as your skill at obfuscating.
Just following your lead, Word.
The art of ridicule was perfected by Alinsky for the purpose of destroying your political opposition. I know you are not so ill informed that you did not know that.
Hardly a “follower” of Alinsky, although I do believe it is wise to know your enemy.
The knowledge of the U.S. Constitution, the Bill of Rights, the writings of Adams, Jefferson, Washington, Madison and Monroe, the Federalist Papers, and the Anti-Federalist Papers, history of the Progressive movement in this country such as the Bull Moose Party and others.
Why is it that anyone who leans to the left wants to debate, they come up with the “Why do you have the right to/what qualifies you to” meme?
No, Bush is/was a social progressive. i.e. No Child Left Behind, Medicare Part D.
There are few, if any, similarities between Obama and Bush on taking on radical Islam. Bush understood the doctrine of war. Obama seems to think it is a game played with drones. How do they differ? ROEs.
I see we are going into silly territory. Yes, Reagan was a Democrat but the Democrats have long fled the Democrat Party. Now it is the Democrat Socialist Party, with no resemblance of Truman/JFK Democrats. It was that hard turn left that caused Reagan, and Zell Miller, to flee the Democrat Party.
Don’t include me in that group. I put him in the same category as Dick Morris.
Can’t answer that. I can’t mind read and my crystal ball is broken.
News flash!!! Most of the dirt in this nation is between the Left and the Beast Coasts. Neither coast is truly representative of the country.
Perhaps you should think about that. If you don’t have the time to do something right, perhaps you should not do it.
Oh, I figure you are giving me the finger, Word, but not to point to a planet that I can find easily on my own.
Of course not. Just those that are mostly cut and paste, as yours are, are criminally boring and shows the blogger has little imagination and no original thought of their own.
@Richard Wheeler:
You would instead think it was a zombie attack. Alinsky is dead.
Are you admitting you are that poorly informed?
@Redteam: Did you ever see The Princess Bride?
@retire05: Exactly. Wouldn’t know him dead or alive.
Are you a disciple of his? Sure seems you know an awful lot about this guy. Sounds like your sidekick RT is also enamored with this zombie. How bout Bees?
@Richard Wheeler:
@retire05: Exactly. Wouldn’t know him dead or alive.
Are you a disciple of his?
Only in the respect that George S. Patton was a disciple of Erwin Rommel.
@retire05: Rommel– a great Gen. and a leader in the plot to assassinate Hitler.
Richard Wheeler
just know you finaly contribute to the blog by giving some of your knowledge,
instead of picking on our comment, with arrogance,
@Richard Wheeler:
I don’t believe I know any princess brides? Is it a movie?
@Richard Wheeler:
You say that as if it was a problem.
@ilovebeeswarzone:
Bees,he’s not going to understand what you said.
@Redteam: We all wish it had been successful.Would have saved many lives.
The Princess Bride a great movie .
Thanks Bees
@Richard Wheeler:
Yeah, let’s just ignore the fact that he also tried to kill as many American, and Allied, soldiers as he could.
Ironic you would praise Rommel, but not Patton.
@retire05:
Beyond his control.
@Redteam:
If I was trying so hard to prove I was an idiot, I’d probably write something like this:
So what’s the answer to your simple test, Redteam? Did Obama ever quote the Holy Bible?
@retire05:
Who brought up Patton again? Oh, you did when you compared yourself to him.
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
The above is Tom’s contribution to any discussion.
@Tom: Seems to me RT is better versed at quoting Alinsky than he is at quoting The Bible.
@retire05: Pretty clear that Tom has been well received on this site by respected Conservatives like Aqua, Mata and Word.
Your reception—negative.
“It is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles”
RW, you assume your opinion matters to me. It does not. And yet, you still continue to try to drag others into the mix. What a pathetic, insecure little man you are.
@Tom:
Are you actually admitting that you don’t know the answer?
@Richard Wheeler:
RW, refer me to the comment number where I ‘quoted’ Alinsky.
@Richard Wheeler: @Richard Wheeler:
RW, how do you know that Tom has been ‘well received by Aqua, Mata and Word? I’ve seen no evidence of that and I’ve seen no sign that Retire05 is not well received by conservatives. (you may leave out two of those three you mentioned, One of them is a respected Conservative) I’ll leave it to you to figure out which one that is.
@retire05:
Retire, RW is getting quite proficient in attributing quotes to me that I don’t make. Kinda like ‘make it up as you go along’ philosophy, I guess.
retire05
Redteam
Richard Wheeler is like a lazy bat, he come to suck blood from you both
in the darkness of the night
he keep the sore open so to find it back next night, to feed again,
he fly back up saying
HAPPY HALLOWEEN
@ilovebeeswarzone #151:
It’s like in the great stories Ms. Bees, the ones that really mattered. Full of darkness and danger they were, and sometimes you didn’t want to know the end because how could the end be happy? How could the world go back to the way it was when so much bad has happened? But in the end it’s only a passing thing this shadow, even darkness must pass. A new day will come, and when the sun shines it’ll shine out the clearer. Those were the stories that stayed with you, that meant something even if you were too small to understand why.
But I think Ms. Bees, I do understand, I know now conservative folk in those stories- you know, the REAL TRUE AMERICANS- had lots of chances of turning back, only they didn’t. They kept going because they were holding on to something.
But haven’t you been advocating for conservatives to fight down and dirty with the libs and use Alinsky rules, themselves? Not just “know your enemy” but to fight like them?
How does citing a reading list answer my question and qualify you as worthy and authoritative in being the conservative sniff tester?
Do you get this a lot, retire? 😉 Why are you obfuscating?
Traditional marriage? Abortion? Schiavo? Faith? Embryonic stem cell research and federal funding? Capital punishment? Gun control?
But of course he fails the purity sniff test.
President Obama didn’t create the ROE, although the buck and blame can always stop at the top. Winning “hearts and minds” began under Bush (through Petraeus in Iraq to good success with his COIN strategy); and General McChrystal tried to carry it over to Afghanistan. You want to fault anyone, fault him.
There are indeed a number of sharp differences between the two presidents in their approach to fighting Islamic terror; but it should be recognized that Obama has also perpetuated the war(s) that began under Bush, embraced some of the very tools he and others criticized Bush for using in the GWoT; and in some instances, has expanded upon them.
Can you please clarify what you mean by Obama thinking “it’s a game” with using drones?
Well, you were the one who saw fit to Google Medved’s background and think to pointlessly bring up that he at one time was a Democrat as a means to discredit him (so you don’t have to actually engage his arguments with any real intellectual honesty) when it’s quite obvious you really don’t know much about him.
And don’t forget your cultural crusader, Michael Medved. 🙂
Why the same as Dick Morris? It’s clear you are not familiar at all with Medved.
You don’t need a crystal ball. You’d know the answer if you knew his program. And then you’d know why he has so many Democrats, liberals, and progressives as callers and as radio guests on his program.
What is representative of “the country”? Are all blue states automatically disqualified because they don’t bleed your politics?
By golly, that sounds like great advice! Thanks, retire! I do have the time to blockquote correctly, though. I can even manually type the html tags in myself. That’s how good I’ve gotten.
This is actually rather symbolic of your failure (or choice) to not comprehend what I am saying or to obfuscate: When I attempt to figuratively point to the moon, hoping you won’t stare at my finger and mistake it for the moon, you’re instead too busy talking about being able to find planets on your own, so for me not to even bother because you “can find it yourself”.
I wasn’t giving you “the finger”, retire; but a zen parable.
Haha! Well, you still fail to understand after stating that you do. Blockquoting and linking to other articles may be “criminally boring” to you and shows me with “little imagination” and “no original thought”; but it’s one type of blogpost, giving attention to something I felt was interesting; and hope some readers out there, who might not otherwise have come across it, would find interesting to read and talk about.
There are some days where no contributor to FA has posted anything new, that I feel like I am doing you, retire, a personal favor by putting something up since you like to spend so much time here. I wouldn’t want FA to lose you as an avid reader and prolific commenter.
You’re welcome! 🙂
I suppose I could just do “Most Wanted” posts, and not add in the unnecessary and tediously boring one or two obligatory, (un)imaginative, original comments of my own to it. That would save me even more time! And save you the reader from my one-line drivel that serves only as distraction to the stellar blockquoted material.
Thanks for your input, retire! Have a great day!
@Redteam:
Do you think deliberate obtuseness is going to somehow get you off the hook for your inability to man up and back your claims, Redteam? I do know the answer. See, I’m not the one who paraded my ignorance and then, when evidence was presented to the contrary, coincidentally became very sleepy and posted this ridiculous gem before heading for the figurative hills: It’s late, so I’ll wait until tomorrow to respond.
Until then, why don’t you try to find one single quote from the Holy Bible by Obama. I thought you would appreciate my friendly reminder that you still have unfinished business here. It’s just so odd when an otherwise
compulsively opinionated blowhardbrilliant authority on the Obama/Islam nexus loses his voice.I LIKE WHAT RONALD REAGAN SAID,
OUR ROLE IS TO HELP OTHER COUNTRIES DO WHAT THEY NEED
BUT NOT DO IT FOR THEM,
THIS COME FROM A GREAT MAN WITH A GREAT BRAIN,
Tom
SO WHY THE HURRY,
redteam has other cats to skin beside you,
just wait for when he has time for you,
stay in line,and don’t cuss,
@Richard Wheeler:
Rich, I think our friend has proven yet again that, for the zealot, the power to cling to an ideal will always trump any considerations of objective truth. Or in the immortal words of George Costanza: “Jerry, just remember, it’s not a lie… if you believe it”.
@Redteam:
Tom disagrees with me (+ Mata, Aqua) quite a bit politically. But he does so respectfully and with civility. Same can be said of Rich.
That’s the difference.
At the end of the day, we might still stand on opposite sides of the fence in disagreement over an issue, but at least there’s the sense that we’ve taken the time to honestly listen and evaluate the other’s position. Clarity over agreement.
For this, I’m criticized by the conservative sniff testers in their ever tiresome witch hunt to root out RINOs and shrink the party as the way to win future elections.
@ilovebeeswarzone:
ROAR! 😉
Tom can cut in line if he wishes. I’d like to see the cards he’s holding in his paws. 🙂
@ilovebeeswarzone:
Word has patiently responded to every back and forth with Redteam and the General on this entire thread, and taken some abuse in the process. Shouldn’t we expect the same courtesy of response from Redteam, considering Word took the time to respond to his challenge? It’s not unusual for people to talk past each other in online forums, but considering the consistency of the responses on this thread, RT’s unfulfilled promise to “respond in the morning” (two days ago) is a glaring omission. I’m merely doing him the courtesy of reminding him in case it slipped his mind. We wouldn’t want everyone assuming he was ducking the issue, would we? 🙂
@Tom: Well, Tommy, this:
wasn’t addressed to me.
@Wordsmith:
Point to any place that I have been ‘uncivil’ to you. Tom is very good at ‘name calling’, I usually don’t do that. I don’t believe I have referred to you as a RINO.
I like Bees comments, she’s usually spot on. She sure hit it on the quote above.
Word, are you implying that Tom has claws, or, er, paws?
@Redteam:
Um, yes, it was addressed by you to someone who had already fulfilled the request.
Let me slow down. Here is something that you wrote, which, as alluded to above, has been proven incorrect:
So with this information in hand, what conclusions can we draw from your simple test?
@Redteam:
RT, I’m sorry if there was any confusion in my comments. You’ve disagreed and challenged me on a few things; but have not been uncivil toward me. I want to be clear on that. Retire is the one who gets a bit crotchety- and I’m not talking about attempts to insult me, but in the way she contemptuously speaks to a number of commenters who disagree with her. The ol’ battle ax has alienated at least a few people who vote on her side of the political aisle and not just her political opponents.
The only time I’ve really noticed Tom “name-call” is when he plays tit for others’ tat.
@Redteam: Query— I said AQUA, MATA and WORD were Conservatives.
You said only one was a Conservative. You wanna open the curtain and reveal his/her identity?
@Wordsmith:
I agree with that assessment. I fully admit I’ve never been very good at rising above the fray. 🙂
@Tom:
Whichever ones you wish.
@Wordsmith:
Thanks for that clarification. I intend for it to stay that way.
I would disagree with that because, I don’t believe I’ve called him anything, but he has.
RW:
I’ll leave that to you.
Tom:
Obviously I don’t agree.
@Redteam:
Hmmm… Good point. I do rise above the fray quite a bit.
RT, you’re not such a bad chap when you leave the insults behind. Perhaps you just hitched your wagon to the wrong horse. My advice, aim higher than being the General’s aide-de-camp. You’ve learned a lot on this post from Word, and will continue to do so if you strive to keep an open mind.
@Redteam: Query– in 137,138 and 139 Word took the time to give you examples of where BHO quoted from The Bible. In 140 you said you’d waited and were going to sleep. Did you ever read what he sent you?
In 134 and 135 Word took the time to show you where “w” had quoted from the Koran. Were you ever courteous enough to read what he’d sent you?
To be clear. I say Aqua,Mata and Word are Conservatives. You say only one of the three are Conservatives,
@Tom:
That wasn’t my point, you’re not very good at understanding grammar, I guess.
Tom, you problem is, you don’t know the difference. I only give you an insult in response to yours. I haven’t hitched my wagon to any General. If I’ve learned something from Word on this thread, I’m not sure what it is. You’re trying to sound ‘congenial’ while at the same time putting in your insult about ‘open mind’. Well, the truth is, I don’t know any liberals or Obama lovers that have an open mind. They have drank the kool-aid, and I’m sure you remember the flavor.
@Richard Wheeler: RW,
Word did a good job, but most of what he said in 137,138 was from an article that someone wrote about what Obama had done. 139 was a teleprompter speech that someone had written for him. Everyone knows that Obama has no input into his teleprompter speeches and does a very poor job just attempting to read them. Maybe he’s having to interpret them as he reads.
If I said that you had quoted from 1 Corinthians, does that mean that you quoted from 1 Corinthians?
I haven’t reviewed the other two where you stated that GWB quoted from the Quran, but I’m relatively sure that was a teleprompter speech prepared for him also. I’m pointing out that the distinction is that when Obama quotes from the Quran, it is not from prepared speeches and he always refers to the ‘Holy Quran’, something only common to Muslims. It’s an entirely different thing when someone is reading a prepared speech vs speaking off the cuff and quoting the Quran verbatim.
@Redteam: I’ve stated many times and will state again. I have learned much from Word. I have learned from Aqua,Mata and Aye. They are the reason I’m here.
You say “If I’ve learned something from Word I’m not sure what it is,” I ask again. Did you read posts 134,135 and 137-139. Do you have an open mind?
I just read your 198. You gotta be kidding.Are you suggesting that when Bush or Obama read from a speech prepared for them they don’t believe what they’re saying? Do you have an open mind.
@Wordsmith: #135 your link was to this.
I would point out that this is a link to someone saying that GWB had quoted the Koran.