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dr
yes like execution style like they have done,
bye

@Tom:

Tom, from what I have read here (and it has been all of it) Dr John has indeed presented you with facts. They ay not be facts that you like but facts they are indeed. It is up to you to refute them with “facts” of your own. So far all you have done in your comments is say “Prove it”…so why don’t you take his post and take it fact by fact and offer your own counter facts? Then maybe you will be taken seriously other than the moron you are proving yourself to be.

Yes, skin color is a license to murder.

No, skin color is not a license to murder. The assertion is totally absurd.

I don’t think people have even bothered to think carefully about what the words are saying. They’re just uncritically taking the idea in.

@Greg:

I don’t think people have even bothered to think carefully about what the words are saying. They’re just uncritically taking the idea in.

That’s pretty much what the entire post is about, Greg. The title was going to be something different until I heard MLK III make that stupid statement. His father would never have uttered it. Never.

@Greg: “Sadly, the tears of Trayvon Martin’s mother and father remind us that far too frequently the color of one’s skin remains a license to profile, arrest, and to even murder with no regard to the content of one’s character,” Martin Luther King III claimed.

http://www.bizpacreview.com/2013/08/25/mlk-iii-trayvon-martin-proof-color-of-skin-license-to-murder-82157

You are correct, Greg.
Good for you!
Martin Luther King III was an idiot to state it.
It IS totally absurd.

Curt, why are my posts not showing up?

retire05
you too?
it must be the server who doesn’t do his job, or sleeping on the job,
or deciding by himself or herself that the comment is not to his or her liking,
I think CURT IS AWAY AT THIS TIME,
HE WOULD HAVE ANSWERED,
bye

@retire05: Just caught in the spam filter. Happens sometime. As soon as I notice I pull them out.

@Wordsmith:

I don’t think it’s so much that racial minorities are being given a pass on crime, as it is Dr. J pointing to hypocrisy in the media and amongst some who are quick on the trigger to point to an incident like Zimmerman/Martin and inject racism into the mix; yet the murder of Christopher Lane shouldn’t be deemed a racist “hate crime”, in turn?

I think you’re missing the crucial point in the Trayvon Martin case. The reason this became a cause celebre is because the man who shot and killed him wasn’t arrested for any crime until public pressure was brought to bear. This reinforced the perception that many African Americans have that blacks, particularly young male blacks, are not treated equally by the criminal justice system (there is ample statistical evidence that this suspicion is not baseless, but that’s another discussion). While the entire affair mushroomed to eventually include a wide array of issues, such as the statistical prevalence of young black male violence, initially the anger was mostly about the official response (or lack thereof), and the Florida self-defense laws that were initially cited to justify it. If George Zimmerman had been arrested the night of the shooting it’s possible none of us would even know who he is today.

From everything I’ve read to date, the teens who allegedly murdered Christopher Lane were identified, apprehended and arrested in a very timely fashion. So the comparison to TM/GZ is flawed in that most fundamental sense: there is no way to spin this as an example of a pattern of officially treating the suspects differently based on either their race or the victim’s. To call the shooting racially motivated is also quite problematic, considering one of the person’s arrested is white, another one of the suspects has a white mother, and the District Attorney has stated that there is no evidence to support this theory at this time.

Race hustlers and profiteers like Sharpton- the keynote speaker at last weekend’s Realize the Dream March and Rally- are part of the problem, not the solution to better race relations. They perpetuate racism and fabricate it in places where it is absent.

And how is Dr John and his like any different than Al Sharpton? Is it not perpetuating racism when one gins up racial resentment by highlighting black on white violence and trying to justify it by drawing shallow connections to incidents like the TM/GZ case that don’t hold up to scrutiny?

retire05
there is one of your comment on 50 the other previous group of 50,
is it the one you mean?
there are no other,

@DrJohn:

Are you referring to your argument above against similar sentiments expressed in the post: “No, Setiz-Wald, you jerk. That’s a lie. It total BS.” As compelling and thorough as those words are, I think there’s still room to debate the point.

@DrJohn: why don’t you, in your own words, explain exactly how my argument is “faulty”.

@DrJohn:

THE SYSTEM WORKED.

Zimmerman was arrested.

No, if the system worked, there wouldn’t have been need for an outcry that actually lead to the arrest in question. So using the arrest as evidence that “the system worked” is laughable.

I get it. You’re upset people continued to care about a highly emotionally charged event that took on a symbolic life of its own. You wanted it to all go away, because you think it was just about a punk dying and a bunch of trouble makers making hay about something you considered to be justice. You’ve never actually attempted to understand why this was an emotional issue for many, because since day one all you’ve cared about is finding a way to turn this into an attack on you by the “race hustlers”.

@Tom:

I think you’re missing the crucial point in the Trayvon Martin case. The reason this became a cause celebre is because the man who shot and killed him wasn’t arrested for any crime until public pressure was brought to bear.

Self defense is not a crime. It is an inalienable right. It was a “cause celebre” for the same reason that the Duke LaCross players became a “cause celebre.” But unfortunately for the black poverty pimps, Florida did not have a crooked prosecuting attorney who was simply looking to make a name for himself like Mike Nifong was.

If George Zimmerman had been arrested the night of the shooting it’s possible none of us would even know who he is today.

When you are read your Miranda, cuffed and stuffed and taken to the police department, you’re under arrest. Do try to get some facts straight when spinning.

From everything I’ve read to date, the teens who allegedly murdered Christopher Lane were identified, apprehended and arrested in a very timely fashion.

One other difference; Chris Lane was shot in the back. One of those inconvenient facts you seemed to have missed.

To call the shooting racially motivated is also quite problematic, considering one of the person’s arrested is white, another one of the suspects has a white mother, and the District Attorney has stated that there is no evidence to support this theory at this time.

The white kid was driving. There are internet entries from the black shooter disparaging whites. And just because someone has a “white” mother, that obviously doesn’t seem to make him white, or even bi-racial; i.e. Barack Hussein Obama, Jr., who is considered “black.”

BTW, it wasn’t the DA that said there wasn’t race involved, it was the sheriff. You pathetically continue to get your “facts” wrong.

@Tom:

You’ve never actually attempted to understand why this was an emotional issue for many, because since day one all you’ve cared about is finding a way to turn this into an attack on you by the “race hustlers”.

See: Twana Brawley – Al Sharpton
Duke LaCross scandal – Jesse Jackson

@retire05:

Just because these men exist in no way invalidates the ways the other 99.9999% of Americans feel on these topics. But interestingly, you only hear them.

@retire05:

BTW, I noticed when people mention Al Sharpton here they always bring up Tawana Brawley, but never the Central Park Five.

@DrJohn:

And you are still an idiot.

i will bow to your expertise on the subject.

Speaking of which, I’m curious for your thoughts on a hypothetical question I have: how many times does a writer have to be humiliated on the comments thread of his posts before he loses self respect?

@Tom:

Just because these men exist in no way invalidates the ways the other 99.9999% of Americans feel on these topics. But interestingly, you only hear them.

The other 99.9999% (that you seem to think you have the right to speak for) do not have microphones, or bull horns. And the other 99.9999% are not being invited to the White House for confabs with the President of the United States.

Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson need to be sharing a cell with Jackson’s spawn.

@Tom:

how many times does a writer have to be humiliated on the comments thread of his posts before he loses self respect?

Well, in your case, the number seems to be infinite.

@retire05:

BTW, it wasn’t the DA that said there wasn’t race involved, it was the sheriff. You pathetically continue to get your “facts” wrong.

Sigh…. :

An Australian baseball player who was allegedly shot and killed at random while he was jogging wasn’t targeted because of his race or nationality, the prosecutor in charge of the case said Friday.
Christopher Lane, a 22-year-old student at East Central University, was shot in the back and killed last week while jogging in Duncan, a southern Oklahoma community where the three teenagers accused in his killing live.
“At this point, the evidence does not support the theory that Christopher Lane was targeted based upon his race or nationality,” District Attorney Jason Hicks said in a statement.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/08/24/race-not-factor-in-australian-player-oklahoma-murder-da-says/#ixzz2dCkI54YL

retire05
he was targeted because of his color WHITE,
JUST RUNNING PASS THEM triggered the inner demon of race, they did not know the man running
in front of them, but they saw the WHITE, THEY SAW A CRACKER ALONE TO TO FIT THEIR GUN,
HOW COME THEY HAD A GUN? IS IN IT THE FIRST ONE TO BE RID OF THEIR GUN BY THEIR PARENTS OR ELSE, WHAT ARE THE PARENTS ARE DOING THERE, THEY MUST TAKE RESPONSIBILITY IF THEY WANT TO STOP IT,

@Curt: #58
I always “Cc” myself when I email to make sure the emails are sent out. Sometimes the ones coming back to me, THAT I SENT, are caught in my spam filter, and they usually don’t have attachments.

@Tom: Yeah, you stopped having a point . . . well, I’m not sure ever had one . . . “bro”.

I hope you read the “liberalism as religion” post.

“Challenge my facts!!”

Disproving your “facts” is like arguing with a exploitative, money extorting preacher. Or hitting a drunk. It’s too easy, and little cruel.

Please, challenge us with your facts . . .

@Greg: Greggie sezzz:

f anyone thinks racial minorities are given preferential treatment regarding punishment, consider the racial demographics of the U.S. prison population.

Why don’t YOU look at the actual percentage of violent crime committed by your precious voter block ‘minorities’?

@Richard Wheeler: Wonder why he was disgruntled?

@DrJohn: They are stuffing themselves on the elephant’s sh–t and reaching for more — leave them have it.

Budvarakbar
yes
and they want to remove the 10 COMMANDS
THERE PUBLICLY SHOWN SINCE MANY YEARS
ON A PUBLIC PLACE FOR ALL THE SOCIETY WHO SEEK CRIME AND VIOLENCE TO READ AND THINK HARD OF THE MESSAGE FROM HIGH MIGHTY,

@Budvarakbar:

@Greg: Greggie sezzz:

f anyone thinks racial minorities are given preferential treatment regarding punishment, consider the racial demographics of the U.S. prison population.

Why don’t YOU look at the actual percentage of violent crime committed by your precious voter block ‘minorities’?

By far most times people do wrong they get away with it.
And even when people do wrong and get caught, they are often cut loose with no arrest or record…..for the first few times.
Only after police are well aware of a bad actor does that one start being arrested and prosecuted.
People SHOULD learn from these mistakes of youth.
Some do.
Some people do things that put them in contact with the law enforcement system, get their warning and never repeat their mistakes.
Most of those people are white.
Whites are not perfect, they commit crimes of the same type as blacks do.
They deal drugs, join gangs and pimp out prostitutes.
But they avoid getting arrested after their early contact with police better than blacks do.
Blacks get MORE warnings before they are finally arrested and prosecuted.
So, why do they keep going blindly into a life of crime?
The Bible warns parents and law enforcers:
Because sentence for a crime is not carried out speedily, the heart of a young man becomes hardened to do more evil.
Gee…..and I bet all those bleeding hearts thought they were HELPING blacks when they keep letting them off easy for their first dozen crimes.
Actually, it is the whites who are getting ”scared straight,” by the criminal justice system.
Blacks are being taught to be career criminals.

@Tom: I suggest we’d all be better served if people like Al Sharpton and Dr. John stopped inciting their easily riled followers. They serve no useful purpose while fanning the flames of discord. Unfortunately, there are many more like them, throwbacks to the darker days of America.
Semper Fi

@Nan G:

Blacks are being taught to be career criminals.

Unfortunately this is true also for all races in prison, not just blacks. While more crimes are committed by whites (who are still more numerous) than blacks, there is a higher percentage for their race of blacks who turn to crime & their victims tend more likely to be fellow blacks.

@Nan G: I don’t have time to respond to your many questionable suppositions.
I would suggest ” career criminality” is tied more closely to economics than race.

@Richard Wheeler:

Agreed, Rich. Of course that is a comparison that does Sharpton no favors, so let me qualify it thusly: Al Sharpton may be a self-serving promoter, but I highly doubt that no part of what he does isn’t motivated by a true belief he’s helping people. Dr John, on the other hand, simply hates Barack Obama and what he represents.

Re. Nan’s, um, interesting questions, is it just me or do I hear from the Right every day that racism no longer exists?

@Tom: Right tends to ignore racism goes ballistic on “race baiting.”