Barack Obama’s incompetence is destroying another US allegiance.
Squeezing a few precious moments from his golf vacation, Barack Obama informed us that he will not choose sides in Egypt
CHILMARK, Mass. (CBSDC/AP) — President Barack Obama is calling for an end to the violence in Egypt a day after 525 people were killed in protests across the country.
Speaking from Martha’s Vineyard Thursday, the president strongly condemned security forces going after supporters of ousted Egyptian President Mohammed Morsi.
“America cannot determine the future of Egypt, that’s a task for the Egyptian people,” Obama said. “We don’t take sides.”
We don’t take sides when Christians are persecuted.
Obama also decided to cancel a joint military exercise with Egypt
Washington (CNN) — President Barack Obama announced Thursday that the United States has canceled joint military training exercises with the Egyptian military and alluded to the fact that his administration could take further steps to deal with the violence in Egypt.
“Going forward, I’ve asked my national security team to assess the implications of the actions taken by the interim government and further steps we may take as necessary with respect to the U.S.-Egyptian relationship,” Obama said.
In a statement from his vacation home on Martha’s Vineyard, the president, however, refrained from calling the government overthrow a coup, which would have implications for the military and humanitarian aid the United States sends to Egypt.
“The United States strongly condemns the steps that have been taken by Egypt interim government and security forces,” Obama said about this week’s Egyptian military crackdown against protests in Cairo. “We deplore violence against civilians.”
Unless the violence is against Christians. Then it’s not so bad. Christians are under siege by the Muslim Brotherhood
CAIRO — After torching a Franciscan school, Islamists paraded three nuns on the streets like “prisoners of war” before a Muslim woman offered them refuge. Two other women working at the school were sexually harassed and abused as they fought their way through a mob.
In the four days since security forces cleared two sit-in camps by supporters of Egypt’s ousted president, Islamists have attacked dozens of Coptic churches along with homes and businesses owned by the Christian minority. The campaign of intimidation appears to be a warning to Christians outside Cairo to stand down from political activism.
Persecution of Christians in Egypt is nothing new
Christians have long suffered from discrimination and violence in Muslim majority Egypt, where they make up 10 percent of the population of 90 million. Attacks increased after the Islamists rose to power in the wake of the 2011 Arab Spring uprising that drove Hosni Mubarak from power, emboldening extremists. But Christians have come further under fire since President Mohammed Morsi was ousted on July 3, sparking a wave of Islamist anger led by Morsi’s Muslim Brotherhood.
Nearly 40 churches have been looted and torched, while 23 others have been attacked and heavily damaged since Wednesday, when chaos erupted after Egypt’s military-backed interim administration moved in to clear two camps packed with protesters calling for Morsi’s reinstatement, killing scores of protesters and sparking deadly clashes nationwide.
More from Al Jazeera:
Cairo, Egypt – At Abu Seifein church in the wealthy Cairo district of Mohandeseen, there was little sign of any damage on Thursday, despite the rubble lying in the streets nearby. The church is a short walk away from Al-Gamat Al-Dowal Street, the site of heavy clashes the day before, but despite the violence, the church escaped unscathed.
Many churches in Egypt were not so lucky. Security forces moved to violently disperse two protest camps by supporters of ousted president Mohamed Morsi in Cairo on Wednesday morning, setting in motion a day of deadly violence that left at least 525 people dead in clashes across the country.
Amid the violence, alleged Morsi supporters carried out on dozens of attacks on churches and Christian-owned properties throughout the country.
Mina Thabet, an activist with Christian rights group the Maspero Youth Union, told Al Jazeera on Friday that at least 32 churches had been “completely destroyed, burned or looted” in eight different governorates over the previous two days. The group also recorded dozens of other attacks on Christian-owned shops, businesses and schools around the country.
The Anglican church of St Saviour’s in the city of Suez was one of those attacked on Wednesday. “They attacked the church with Molotov cocktails and stones, and the car of the priest was completely destroyed,” said Egypt’s Anglican Bishop, Mouneer Annis. “Two other churches in Suez were completely burned – and the thugs looted the churches afterwards. It’s a mixture between burning and looting.”
“It never happened before in history that such a big number of churches were attacked on one day,” Bishop Thomas, a Coptic Orthodox bishop in Assiut told Al Jazeera. “We normally used to have attacks once a month or so.”
Morsi and his Muslim Brotherhood brought this on themselves.
Pressure is growing on Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi to walk back his sweeping assumption of new powers as he announced last week. Egyptian protesters have taken to the streets again, as they did in the #Jan. 25 revolution, calling Morsi the “new pharaoh” despite Morsi’s assurances this move is just “temporary.”
Calling someone a “pharaoh” in Egypt is not a compliment; it is a condemnation of the absolute political rule that held sway in Egypt for millennia under dynasty after dynasty of kings who were considered gods, and who oppressed the people.
Fresh off of helping to broker a “cease-fire” between Gaza and Israel, Morsi then announced he was assuming broad authority to take any steps against “threats to the revolution,” and that included immunity from judicial oversight.
Immediately, activists who had helped bring down Hosni Mubarak, Egypt’s long-time dictator, returned to the streets, fearing their fragile democracy was disappearing before their eyes. They are not wrong to fear this.
Muslim Brotherhood domination of Egypt was once labeled a “myth” by the Washington Post.
Obama’s support for Morsi and insistence that the Muslim Brotherhood be part of the Egyptian government has been very costly for the US. The Egyptians dislike for Obama grows.
And now it appears that Obama is opening the door for Russia and China to become allied with Egypt.
Breitbart News has also learned that Russia is offering the Egyptian government fighter jets and other military equipment. This week, President Obama announced that the US is suspending its planned joint military exercise with the Egyptian army. It seems the Russians are jumping in to fill the void left by the Americans.
“Sadat threw Russia out of Egypt,” the source told Breitbart News. “Peace came from that. If Russia reenters Egypt, they reenter the world.”
Russia’s moves to influence events in Egypt coincide with its effort to support the Assad regime in Syria. The government there seems to have a permanent upper-hand on the sectarian violence that has plunged the country into a civil war.
The dithering of the Obama Administration may result in Russia exerting greater influence in the region than at any time since the depths of the Cold War. Egypt and Syria could both become defacto client states of Putin’s Russia.
Predictably, the NY Times portrays Barack Obama as a victim in this mess rather than the incompetent boob “leading from behind” that he really is. But note what the Times does say about Morsi:
Mr. Morsi’s failure to incorporate other factions, his habit of demonizing his critics as part of a treasonous conspiracy and a near-calamitous economic crisis..
“Demonizing his critics”?
“Treacherous conspiracy”?
“Near-calamitous economic crisis”?
Above judicial reach?
Those sound very much like words from another President I know.
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Except for liberals being foolish.
By “not taking sides”, he took a side….
@Patvann: It’ good to have you back. You might enjoy this one on
Never Interfere With The Enemy While He Makes His Mistakes
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.Thanks Skook! (Yer link ain’t workin.)
This one should do a little better.
@Patvann: <Forgot to do this, check #4
That joint exercise obama cancelled? It hasn’t been conducted since 2009. So again he is blowing smoke up everyone’s ass.
Two things have happened in the last 48 hours that make clear whose doing what.
1. A major Egyptian Antiquities Museum was looted and trashed by Muslim Brotherhood supporters right as the interim gov’t was going into the mosque filled with 700 MB men to take leaders of the MB into custody.
2. The interim Gov’t officially began acting to protect and rebuild EVERY Coptic Church trashed and/or burned down by the Muslim Brotherhood.
At one point there was a debate about whether the MB would be allowed to exist long enough to pay for all the damages inflicted on the Copts.
Obama has made his leaning toward Islam and against Christianity clear with his exemptions for Muslims from mandates to be covered with medical insurance while he – at the same time – attempts to force Christians to go against their consciences and pay for abortions, birth control and any other medicals procedures they oppose on moral or Biblical grounds.
Why be surprised when Obama turns a blind eye to the raping and sexual assaulting of Coptic women, the burning of Coptic Churches and the looting of pre-Islamic antiquities?
Obama’s only religious sensibilities are Muslim.
And even then, his love of pork and golf takes precedence.
That was a great read Skook. Thanks!
Only people who lack courage fail to “take sides with right”. Oh, they have many excuses for their lack of ethics and morality. None of them passes muster. It is most embarrassing to have someone like that as a chief executive. It is fatal to others. It is ignorance like this that brought us close to a nuclear war when missiles went to Cuba and Chamberlain made peace with the NAZIs. There will be generations of US young men and women paying for this failure to act.
Considering Christians being slaughtered worldwide and other islamic sects museums and historic sites being ravaged and destroyed, his statement:
“I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”
is a bit confusing.
I understand that he will stand with moslems against Christians but which moslems is he standing with when it’s moslem against moslem?
It seems that “I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”
is IN FACT taking a side.
Or maybe I’m missing something.
@Patvann: And that’s exactly why Egypt is in the predicament they are in now. You talk about a foreign policy disaster- this ranks higher than the Bay of Pigs!
Ride a Pale Horse
hi,
he dunno, he very confuse now and still morning his friend MORSI,
HE FIGURED THE MILITARY WOULD LET THE BROTHERHOOD KILL THEM,
AND RISE BACK ON THE DEMOCRACY POWER THEY HAD WITH MORSI,
Don’t you hope Obama isn’t too bummed out?
36 Muslim Brotherhood members had been arrested in Egypt and were being detained together.
They attempted a break out.
Apparently these jail break attempts work best when the Islamists are also the guards.
Then they simply melt into the night while their buddies break out.
Egypt’s interim gov’t ain’t playing that.
They apparently know how to weed out Islamists from positions of power.
@Randy, #9:
And in the case of Egypt, “the right” would be who, exactly?
It’s easy to identify the things that are happening in Egypt which are wrong, but Who’s right? is an entirely different sort of question.
@Greg: He made the mistake several years ago. Same mistake Carter made! I would understand that you could not understand.
Greg
I’m sure RANDY KNOW which side, he was in IRAK WAR,
THAT’S WHERE HE LEARN TO SENSE THE SIDE TO TAKE,
What if obama isn’t the “incompetent boob” most conservatives think he is. What if things are going just the way he wants them to?
@Smorgasbord: Things were going just right and according to plan until the MoBroHood got deposed!
@Smorgasbord:
I think it would be fair to say that things WERE going just the way Obama wanted them, that is, until the Egyptians decided that living under the Obama backed Muslim Brotherhood was worse that living under Mubarak.
But we had clear indications from the very git-go of how bad Obama’s foreign policies would be. Remember Honduras? They deposed their Chavez wannabe president, according to their own constitution, and Obama backed the Chavez wannabe, not the Honduran people. He even went so far as to cut off all foreign aid to Hondouras, a truly poor nation. We had Democrat Congressmen sitting in conferences trying to determine if the Honduran Supreme Court violated the Honduran constitution to be able to cut off all aid to Honduras.
Yeah, we quickly got a preview that when it comes to foreign policy, Obama will always be on the wrong side.
Dr John do you dispute what the WP said about the Muslim Brotherhood controlling Egypt? Because it sure looks to me that they are no longer even the figurehead of Egypt. The Egyptian military has ALWAYS been the real power.
As far as the persecution of Egyptian christians being a real issue, when I see calls for them to be admitted into the USA as refugees, perhaps then I will believe that their condition is of real and not feigned importance to Obama haters.
The big losers in the Iraq War/liberation were the Iraqi christians. Numbering about 1.5 million under Saddam 50% were forced to flee for their lives. They were abandoned by the conservatives and the neocons. When conservatives gleefully published the Mohammed’s head as bomb cartoon as “free speech” christians in Iraq were killed.
Does anyone think that announcing our intentions in Egypt would actually HELP that side? Our announced “help” would be about as much appreciated as the announced “help” of Tel Aviv
@Disenchanted: Scaled back joint military ops were conducted in 2012 and during Mubarek rule.
PALE HORSE Misquote #10 and as we all know BHO was referring to Muslim AMERICAN CITIZENS only in ref to potential reprisals after 9/11—ref. Japanese citizen internment during WW2.
Semper Fi
@Richard Wheeler:
And where, exactly, did Obama clarify that he was referencing ONLY Muslim AMERICAN citizens?
I would be quite happy to know that Barack Obama, Jr. made it very clear that he was not referring to ALL Muslims, but only those who are AMERICAN CITIZENS.
@retire05 #19
At the very same time, demonstrations against Iran’s election fraud by Pro-Democracy activists were being brutally crushed by the Ahmedinijad administration. Obama said what? Oh, it was an internal issue. Nothing to see here, move along…
@retire05: Dreams From My Father pp 260-261. You’re a smart gal. Read it and see what you think. Or go to fact check, Snopes or verification of your choice. Thanks
@Rides A Pale Horse, here is the full quote from Audacity of Hope, released in Feb of 2008 during his first POTUS campaign.
Without pure mutilation of paragraph construct in the English language, it’s clear the “they”, “them”, and “their” being referred to is the stated subjects, “Arab and Pakistani Americans”, specifically singled out in the beginning of that paragraph as part of his appearances before immigrants.
So many genuine gripes with this admin leadership. It’s baffling, and counterproductive, when so many insist on clinging to the absurd as their mainstay.
rich wheeler, you’ve mistaken the book. It’s Audacity, not Dreams. But then, so have the pundits spreading the misquote.
@MataHarley: Thanks for the reminder that quote was from Audacity of Hope and not Dreams From My Father. At least I had the pages right.
Well, it’s good to know that Obama was referencing those Muslims who are immigrants to the U.S. I wonder if he will comment on the Million Muslim [Truffer] March set for September 11, 2013? Perhaps he will share the stage with those other “truffers” who have been invited to speak such as Ron Paul and Louis Farrakhan. Nothing says “patriotism” like Muslims marching on D.C. on the anniversary of the day Muslims slaughtered almost 3,000 Americans; Muslims who were immigrants to this country. Never mind that an American born Muslim is currently on trial for killing dozens of fellow soldiers at Fort Hood, and was part of that rat’s nest, the Falls Church, Va. mosque where other radical [American] Muslims have worshipped in the past.
I’m sure the march will be getting a boost from one of Hillary Clinton’s favorite news sources, Al Jazeera, which will be starting its new “news” channel in the U.S. tomorrow.
retire05
as long as they are MUSLIM AMERICAN
THEY CANNOT BE VIEW AS AMERICAN,
YOU CANNOT BE CALL 1/2 AMERICAN, OR 1/3, OR ELSE,
OR YOU ARE FULL AMERICAN OR YOU ARE NOT AMERICAN EVEN IF YOU HAVE THE PAPERS,
THIS AMERICA IS NOT A 1/2 OR 1/3 OR LESS,
AND WHOEVER WANT TO CHANGE IT IS A TRAITOR,
EVEN IF HE CLAIM TO REVERSE THE RIPPLE OF THE OCEAN,
HE WILL NEVER BE RECOGNIZE AS AN AMERICAN.
@ilovebeeswarzone: Reminder They are AMERICAN CITIZENS—You are not.
Richard Wheeler
I don’t need reminder from you,
I AM FREE TO GIVE MY OPINION,
THIS FLOPPING ACES IS ACCEPTING WORLD WIDE OPINIONS,
IT’S HEALTHY FOR THE CONSERVATIVE CAUSE ALSO,
THAT’S WHY THEY ARE SO POPULAR,
@MataHarley:
Oh, but what about his ring, Mata? That ring!
And…OMA….he said the Muslim call to prayer is one of the prettiest sounds on earth (at sunset)!
@john:
And let’s not forget about them Iraqi women and their coffee shops, John. 😉
@Smorgasbord:
Dear God! That was exactly Dubbya’s strategery!
@Nan G:
…..eh?
THE NICE BROTHERHOODS KILLED 25 POLICEMAN IN A BUS, THEY TRAPPED THEM,
NOW WHO IS STILL ON THEIR SIDE?
@john:
John
http://www.thenation.com/article/175128/what-led-morsis-fall-and-what-comes-next#
This is very much like Obama and democrats
Bees, you’re completely upside down in facts. The Egyptian military killed a busload of MB prisoners they had in custody.
And speaking of that… @Nan G, here’s update on that alleged “prison break” from the NYTs today. Apparently what went on is clear as mud, and the accounts given by the ministry have been all over the map.
There was a reason that the original “arab spring” uprising included the demand that the government be de militarized. They don’t want them to have that power… except when they do.
Curt’s post on Andy McCarthy’s article is more on target with Egyptian political reality. The US shouldn’t be taking sides since it’s little different than Syria. Bad characters on both sides. Fact is, Egypt (and the US and Israel) were far more stable and economically sound with Mubarak, who kept the MB at bay. That was Obama’s original “wrong side” choice…. insisting that Mubarak step down immediately instead of at the next election, as he stated he would do. He should have kept the US’s nose out of it, only stating that Mubarak and the Egyptian military has been a US ally and Egyptians must solve their own internal problems – just as Bush did during the Pakistan battles and election over Musharraf.
Following the Egyptian election, we didn’t have much choice in acknowledging the results since that was the government those bozos elected… before they decided they made a mistake. What might be a similar case was when Hamas swept to a 2006 electoral victory in Palestine. Condi and the Bush admin originally said that continued aid would be contingent on recognizing Israel, a commitment to non violence and an honoring of prior agreements. Hamas refused, so the US stopped aid and Israel imposed sanctions.
However, as a 2013 CRS report on US aid to Palestine shows, aid has been resumed since 2008… with fits and starts… and remains. However since the Hamas entry into political power, conditions remain attached to aid. But it seems it hasn’t stopped it for any significant length of time.
There’s no doubt the US, and Israel, needs Egypt to return to ally status for sundry reasons. Certainly they control the Suez Canal. But I doubt they’d slit their own economic throats by using that as a bargaining chip. If I remember rightly, it’s about 7% of all crude shipping traffic that passes thru the canal. The larger superships coming to the North American continent navigate the treacherous waters around the Cape.
But in the long run, I think the US stance should be the same as I believe it should be for Syria… where there is also no clear cut “good guys”…stand back and monitor, let it play out, and deal with what’s left standing.
MataHarley
the MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD AMBUSH A BUS OF MILITARY AND KILLED 25
AT THE SYNAI CORNER,
YOU HAVE ANOTHER STORY,
Mine come from FOX NEWS,
BYE
Bees, where is a link to that story? THe only one I saw was from an attack on a bus of workers (not police) in the North Sinai province. That was over a month ago. Three workers were killed. 17 wounded. Sames story in the Jerusalem Post from mid July.
@MataHarley:
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/08/19/24-egyptian-policemen-killed-in-sinai-peninsula/
I disagree about not siding. The MB is part of Islamofascism. We should never have pushed Mubarak out.
Thanks for the link, all. Trying to catch up on the mayhem that is Egypt daily.
@drjohn, #38:
We didn’t push Mubarak out. The Egyptian people pushed Mubarak out.
We ceased to support him when it became clear that he was done for. It was a calculated move; part of re-positioning ourselves for the post-Mubarak era, which is what our foreign policy now has to adapt to.
@ilovebeeswarzone:
Bees, here’s the story from two sources:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23751954
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2013/08/19/egypt-violence-crisis-morsi-cairo.html
CBC reported from an AP report.
Greg
such a nice cover is in it,
did you forget that OBAMA PERSONALLY TOLD HIM TO RESIGN,
drjohn
thank you for the link,
retire05
thank you for that first and second link,
@Greg:
And the Administration, and the lap dog U.S. media, did everything in its power to encourage the ousting of Mubarak. So don’t pretend that Obama acted like a disinterested party.
WhooHoo, it’s the Arab Spring, remember?
Oh sure, we were told the Muslim Brotherhood didn’t have anything to do with the rioting in Egypt, demanding Mubaraks removal, but those of us who were paying attention, and understood that Obama’s foreign policy is a disaster, knew better. And we knew that once Mubarak was gone, the MB would replace him and it would be another disaster.
Once Morsi was installed, Obama did everything he could to help Morsi, and the MB, short of licking the dirt off the shoes of Morsi. Now Obama’s great Egyptian “achievement” runs the risk of having the entire ME turn on him, and consequently us. I suggest you look at some of the placards being carried by the Egyptians. Do they blame Morsi, and the MB, for their troubles? Yes, but they also blame Obama.
Sorry, didn’t realize I had to link to every point.
(1)
Now, there might be individual Muslim in the US who go ahead and get medical insurance.
Heck, I saw a few Muslims in Las Vegas…..really gambling!
American Muslims are probably the most assimilated of any Muslims in other Western countries.
(2)
(3)According to the Gatestone report, Coptic Christian children have been increasingly the targets of the Brotherhood:
Some, especially young girls, are regularly abducted, raped, shamed into converting to Islam and then “marrying” their rapists. Coptic boys have increasingly been abducted from the doorsteps of their churches and held for ransom. Most recently, a 6-year-old Christian boy was murdered by his kidnapper— after the boy’s family paid the ransom.
Safwat Hegazy, a prominent Brotherhood figure and preacher, is reported to have threatened every Christian who dared vote against Morsi’s Sharia-heavy constitution. In a video of a speech to a multitude of Muslims, Hegazy stated:
A message to the church of Egypt, from an Egyptian Muslim: I tell the church—by Allah, and again, by Allah—if you conspire and unite with the remnants [opposition] to bring Morsi down, that will be another matter [screams of “Allah-hu Akbar!” (“Allah is Greater!”) followed by chants of “With our soul, with our blood, we give to you, O Islam!”]… [T]here are red lines—and our red line is the legitimacy of Dr. Muhammad Morsi. Whoever splashes water on it, we will splash blood on him” [followed by more wild shouts of “Allah-hu Akbar!”]
Sheikh Abdullah Badr, a leader of the Muslim Brotherhood and an Al Azhar trained scholar and professor of Islamic exegesis, made the following assertion on live TV:
By the way, under Muhammad Morsi, Badr—as well as numerous jihadis who had been on death-row for their acts of terror—had been freed.
As promised by the Muslim Brotherhood, Pre-Islamic art is being destroyed in Egypt.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2396100/Egypt-Looters-ransack-Egyptian-antiques-museum-snatch-priceless-artefacts.html
ALL of the above happened under Morsi.
What did Obama and his Ambassador Patterson have to say about it all?
Only this:
Copts, STAY HOME.
DO NOT come out and protest the Morsei government no matter what that government is doing to you.
Nan G, you say “…Obama has made his leaning toward Islam and against Christianity clear with his exemptions for Muslims from mandates to be covered with medical insurance(1) while he…” – snip –
The leaning is not towards “Islam”. It is towards the religion’s (*any* religion’s) membership of an IRS category which governs exemptions from SS and Medicare taxes on personal income. This means that Muslims may, or may not be exempt. Amish, Mennonites, Christian Science are some that have the possibility that also may be exempt. So how is Obama, or the IRS, leaning solely towards Muslims? Can’t you also say, using that same theory, that these other religions/sects are also experiencing some favoritism? This is an exaggeration of truth by all definitions.
Copts have always been the targets of the MB and other Islamists. Nothing new.
The pyramids are still standing. The looters of Egyptian museums may, or may not, be the MB. There’s no dearth of others taking advantage of the chaos, and they haven’t charged or arrested the perps yet. Probably too busy with other problems.
All of which has little to do with Obama. Egypt and the Muslim countries would still be a’fire, no matter what political party the occupant of the Oval Office was affiliated with. This mayhem and overthrowing of apostate Muslim leaders would happen even if Romney had won the election. It was promised, and we were told late 2008 by Zawahiri himself. And Romney would not have been able to stop it either.
Sometimes you just have to let go of rigor mortis fixation on a POTUS, that many of us don’t respect, for everything under the sun and put the blame on the parties who are actually responsible.
@retire05, #44:
Actually, that’s a total load of rubbish. Here’s a timeline of events.
As of January 28, 2011, Obama was urging Mubarak to undertake reforms. As of Sunday, January 30, 2011, the Obama administration was still taking no official position on whether Mubarak should step down.
Mubarak was out in a bit over a week—as a result of the public uprising in Egypt, not as a result of anything the Obama administration said or did. No one outside of Egypt had any control over the course of events.
Here are the results of a Google News search covering the time frame in question.
It never ceases to amaze me how quickly some people alter history to fit their political agenda.
Greg
he ask him to resign and MUBARACK SAID HE WON’T RESIGN,
DID YOU MISS THE BEGINNING ?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/17/christians-in-egypt_n_3773991.html
Obama won’t take a side against that.
http://www.thestar.com.my/News/World/2013/08/20/US-troubled-by-suspicious-deaths-of-Egyptian-prisoners.aspx
But ethnic cleansing of Christians? Eh
drj, no one condones the chaos and murder in the streets by anyone. Not likely anything anyone outside of that nation… or even inside it… could say to stop it. But it would be troubling if the military engaged in such while in custody of the detained MB. They are supposed to be the enforcement arm… not engaging in the same type of behavior. El Baradei resigned his veep post,/b> in protest over the heavy handed military enforcement.
Personally means little to me if they decide to lessen the numbers of both sides of their ideology. It’s not my country, and as I said, I don’t see any good guys there. Remember this is a nation that voted 2 out of 3 for a Shariah Constitution. They got exactly what they were asking for, plus more. They’ll just have to work it out. Let the Saudis take the lead, and we’ll see what’s left after the dust settles.
drjohn
we now see the horrible democratic government the EGYPTIAN HAD THOUGHT TO BE THE BEST,
there was nothing to warn them before, how could they know,
the BROTHERHOOD WHERE DRESS UP WITH NICENESS AND KINDNESS
AND PROMISES
but now they the MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD ARE SHOWING THEIR CARD FOR THE WORLD TO SEE,
and I’m sure the MILITARY HAD FIGURE THEM OUT BECAUSE MUBARACK HAD BAN THEM HIMSELF,
SO THEY SEEK THE HELP OF OBAMA AND GOT IT AT 100 PERCENT,
WHAT A WASTE OF LIVES ON THE POLICE AND MILITARY SIDE,, THOSE GOOD OFFICERS DYING
FOR THEIR COUNTRY, IT WAS NOT SUPPOSE TO HAPPEN,
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2396764/Egypt-crisis-Islamist-mob-parades-nuns-Cairo-prisoners-war.html
Still think we ought not take sides?
Yes, I do. Beat the drums of war and plan on risking lives of US warriors all you want. You won’t find most of the nation in agreement. I daresay you’ll find few ME analysts that think the US inserting themselves into Egypt’s civil war is a good idea either.
Nor would it make sense to jump in to Egypt without jumping in to other sundry nations that are committing humanitarian atrocities either. At that point, where do we stop?
But in the case of Egypt, the military isn’t slaughtering the Copts. It’s the guys they, apparently, are slaughtering who are doing that. Good reason to invade their sovereignty? Don’t think so…