Do you remember, during the OJ trial, President Bill Clinton saying “If I had a son he would look like Ron Goldman”?
Do you remember, following the OJ verdict, President Bill Clinton saying “Ron Goldman- that could have been me twenty five years ago”?
Do you remember, in the aftermath of the OJ trial, President Bill Clinton saying “I wonder if the outcome would have been different had Nicole Simpson been black?”
Neither do I.
Obama held a pity party yesterday. In so doing, he took division in this country and ripped it apart even further. He took an open wound and poured salt into it. He pulled off the scab trying to heal.
“You know, when Trayvon Martin was first shot, I said that this could have been my son. Another way of saying that is Trayvon Martin could have been me 35 years ago. And when you think about why, in the African- American community at least, there’s a lot of pain around what happened here, I think it’s important to recognize that the African- American community is looking at this issue through a set of experiences and a history that — that doesn’t go away.”
It could have Obama? Did Obama get suspended three times from high school?
Did Obama have stolen jewelry and burglary tools in his backpack?
Would Obama have tweeted pictures of his grille?
Would Obama have tweeted a picture of a gun?
Would Obama have taken a swing at a bus driver?
I’d love to see Obama have to answer those questions.
But let’s examine what Obama has done once again- and that is to inject race into an issue that wasn’t racially motivated.
The FBI found no evidence that Zimmerman was a racist.
The lead investigator said that the shooting was not based on skin color.
Witnesses told the FBI that Zimmerman is no racist.
Zimmerman mentored black children, stood up for homeless blacks and even voted for Obama.
But none of that matters- not to Obama, not to Sharpton, not to MSNBC.
Despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary Obama feels compelled to make race an issue in this tragedy.
“If a white male teen was involved in the same kind of scenario, from top to bottom, both the outcome and the aftermath might have been different.”
I doubt it would have made a bit of difference had a white sucker punched Zimmerman and then proceeded to ground and pound him.
And straw men abound!
“If Trayvon Martin was of age and he was armed, could he have ‘stood his ground’ on that sidewalk?”
The Zimmerman lawyers did not make use of the Stand Your Ground defense.
The Obama regime took a turn down a very dark road when it set up a website looking for “feedback” about possible civil rights charges against Zimmerman:
In an unusual move, the Justice Department announced Wednesday that it is collecting feedback from Americans for its investigation into whether to file civil rights charges against George Zimmerman.
Justice officials said the move comes “because of interest in this matter.” People can e-mail Sanford.Florida@usdoj.gov if they have thoughts on how the department should proceed.
It’s much worse than that. They’re not looking for simple “feedback.” They’re trolling for the proof they lack.
“They were calling on us to actively refer anyone who had any information,” that might build a case against Zimmerman for either a civil rights violation or a hate crime, Arnwine said. “They said they would very aggressively investigate this case.”
“Aggressively investigate this case.”
It has an distinctly ominous tone to it- one that suggests the Obama regime intends to convict George Zimmerman of something, even if they have to fabricate the evidence- even it means Zimmerman being framed.
Inasmuch as this case would not even have been brought if not for the bullying from the race hustlers Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson it is difficult to imagine Sharpton and Jackson accepting a decision not to prosecute Zimmerman for something.
Please read Sharpton’s words back then:
“It’s not about saying Zimmerman is innocent or guilty, this is about whether there was probable cause to arrest him.”
Well, they did arrest him. Then they tried him. And he was found not guilty. Sharpton then called the verdict “a slap in the face” but “only the first round in the pursuit of justice.”
Justice? Whose justice?
Sharpton promised civil disobedience and “economic sanctions” if Zimmerman wasn’t arrested. Now Sharpton establishes his own system of “justice” – justice via petition. If he gets enough signatures Sharpton can dictate Zimmerman’s fate.
News of their appearances surfaced just before a significant NAACP update: 1 million signatures have been gathered as of Tuesday for an online petition urging the U.S. Department of Justice to file federal charges, including civil-rights charges, against Zimmerman.
Arrest via protest, trial via petition. An interesting precedent.
And Sharpton had this to say as well:
“I’ve said from the beginning we must pursue [this] until the end,”
What is the end? The end of George Zimmerman?
So there it is: George Zimmerman must be convicted of something as a means of reparations because “the African- American community is looking at this issue through a set of experiences and a history that — that doesn’t go away” and that should Zimmerman continue to be found innocent Sharpton would likely demand that Obama just execute George Zimmerman.
By executive order.
BTW, where was Obama during the Benghazi attack?
DrJohn has been a health care professional for more than 30 years. In addition to clinical practice he has done extensive research and has published widely with over 70 original articles and abstracts in the peer-reviewed literature. DrJohn is well known in his field and has lectured on every continent except for Antarctica. He has been married to the same wonderful lady for over 30 years and has three kids- two sons, both of whom are attorneys and one daughter on her way into the field of education.
DrJohn was brought up with the concept that one can do well if one is prepared to work hard but nothing in life is guaranteed.
Except for liberals being foolish.
@Greg: So do you carry it with you for a leisurely stroll to the corner sto??
@retire05: Seems to be a theme with some of the demo-commie-cRAT constituents
@Greg:
It was a very large screwdriver. Did you use to take a large screwdriver to school in your backpack like Trayvon Martin did, and did you have stolen women’s jewelry in the backpack with the screwdriver like Trayvon Martin did? Why did you do that? When you were observed spray painting the school like Trayvon Martin was, how did the authorities react? Did they look in your backpack and find the jewelry and large screwdriver, like they did Trayvon Martin?
@Wm T Sherman, #53:
I’ve seen it variously reported that he had a bag of women’s jewelry, a pair of women’s earrings, a screwdriver, burglary tool, or bag of burglary tools. I’ve heard it reported that these various items were found by a school guard who was searching for a magic marker, and I’ve also heard it claimed that the bag of burglary tools was found in the area where he was killed. Basically, nobody knows anything certain about any of this, and it would be totally irrelevant to events surrounding the night he was shot by George Zimmerman if they did.
People just need the dead kid to be guilty of something. It makes the story they’ve been told play better. It helps rationalize what would otherwise be hard to rationalize, on the basis of nothing but the known facts: Armed adult follows and frightens an unarmed 17-year-old, and then shoots and kills him when the kid reacts. Everything else is conjecture and interpretation.
@Budvarakbar, #51:
I have done, when the store in question has been a hardware.
This is totally irrelevant, however, because Trayvon Martin didn’t take “his burglary tool” along on his fatal mission to buy some Skittles and a soft drink. He took a cellphone with earbuds, apparently to listen to some music as he walked.
@Greg:
Did George Zimmerman stop following when the dispatcher said they didn’t need him to do that?
Did Trayvon Martin turn back and travel some distance to confront George Zimmerman after he had reached his father’s house?
Did Trayvon Martin punch George Zimmeran and then straddle and ‘ground and pound’ him?
Did George Zimmerman have his gun out before he was on his back having his head knocked into a sidewalk?
Did you see any of the trial? Any of it at all?
Obama targets SYG laws using George Zimmerman but I have to ask; where could a man, flat on his back on the ground, retreat to?
In 2004, then-State Senator Obama co-sponsored a bill that strengthened an Illinois law providing for the use of lethal force in self-defense, making the use of such force more likely.
SB 2386
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/billstatus.asp?DocNum=2386&GAID=3&GA=93&DocTypeID=SB&LegID=8536&SessionID=3&SpecSess=
Co-sponsor Obama’s bill, SB 2386, prevented the aggressor (or his or her family, heirs and estate) from suing the person who had used justified force for damages incurred as a result of the use of that force.
Co-sponsor Obama’s legislation was designed to protect those acting in self-defense–“to prevent victims of crimes from being victimized again in civil court,” according to another co-sponsor.
http://www.ilga.gov/senate/transcripts/strans93/09300091.pdf
Victimized again……as in double jeopardy.
Between 1993 and this case the ACLU adopted a policy that stated, “There should be no exception to double jeopardy principles simply because the same offense may be prosecuted by two different sovereigns.”
1st, ACLU Washington Office Director Laura Murphy wrote to Attorney General Eric Holder on Thursday:
BUT THEN…..
To Politico:
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/07/21/ACLU-Reverses-Championing-Pursuit-of-Zimerman
Ironically, the ACLU used to constantly challenge the US Supreme Court on the issue of double jeopardy.
I guess those days are over.
Report: Woman Receives Hundreds of Death Threats Intended for Zimmerman
‘Twitter lynch mob’ targets Zimmerman jury with death threats
George Zimmerman’s family lives in fear after ‘enormous amount of death threats’ following verdict.
‘Millions For Trayvon’: New Black Panther Party Calls for Protests on Twitter
You can monitor the New Black Panther Twitter feed here
There has already been violence as a result of some incensed by the verdict, and massive numbers of threats of violence and death. Will the the planned marches by the NBP fizzle out or will they turn out to be riots? None can predict, best to prepare for the worse yet hope for the best. I wish that calmer heads would prevail, and that we all would place aside thoughts of racial division, heated confrontation or vigilantism. This whipping up of emotions does no one any good, it just fuels a festering environment of ill-will, resentment and militant action. All it does is exacerbate the problem without looking for solutions. Let peace and reason reign instead of fear and fury.
@Ditto:
And who worries for their rights?
@Greg:
“frightens an unarmed 17-year-old”
This is a fact? Says who? Trayvon was so frightened that he called Rachel Jeantel instead of the cops. He was so frightened that he stopped running when he lost Zimmerman. He was so frightened that he didn’t head right into Green’s townhouse when he was just outside it.
The fact is that Martin was pounding Zimmerman. Eyewitness fact. Jeantel said that she believes that Martin threw the first punch.
Are you seriously going to assert that you have no right to fight back when you are getting your head mashed into concrete?
Are you supposed to ask if your assailant means to kill you or is just whooping your ass?
someone mention that the family want him arrested because
they will be able to sue for everything he has,
hell he has nothing you fools,
@drjohn: Certainly nobody in WA DC
@drjohn: I think you could pound greggie’s head on concrete and he wouldn’t notice — unless you were white!
Good thing Obama hadn’t already gotten the head of George Zimmerman.
George was one of two rescuers of a family that was trapped in their overturned Ford Explorer.
ABC News has details:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-emerged-hiding-truck-crash-rescue/storynew?id=19735432
@Nan G:
See? See? Incorrigible — he’s still a wannabee first responder. George should have stayed in his car instead of profiling an innocent Inverted-American family.
@Nan G:
Greg or Tom should be around shortly to tell us Zimmerman should have stayed in his truck.
Wm T Sherman,
on 65
I love that fast one, he’ll never learn,
good there was no one dead in the car,
bye
W T Sherman
he did not ask which side they are before rescuing them,
what a mistake,
@Wm T Sherman, #56:
What happened at the trial was that doubt was established concerning the certainty of any answer to any of those questions.
Mr. Zimmerman was acquitted on the basis of that doubt. The verdict of the jury was not an unequivocal endorsement of the truth of all details of the incident, as presented by the defense.
@drjohn, #60:
The eyewitness accounts were pretty damn vague on the specific details of that “pounding.” Visibility was poor. No one even saw a blow landed. The actual injuries to Zimmerman fell far short of what would result from the sort of prolonged attack involving repeated blows and repeated head slams against concrete that Zimmerman described. The damages that would be expected to Martin’s hands following such an attack were missing.
All of this could have been accounted for by a punch in the nose that knocked Zimmerman to the pavement. For all anyone knows, Zimmerman may have gone for his gun before Martin threw a punch and began struggling with him.
The specific details are mostly conjecture. More isn’t known for certain than is.
Zimmerman escaped any criminal conviction, after shooting an unarmed teenager under questionable circumstances. That should be adequate. It’s totally uncalled for to elevate Zimmerman to hero status and demonize the kid he killed.
@Greg:
Agreed. The public defense of Zimmerman is more in response to the mis-characterization of Trayvon by both the media and the WH. Martin was made out to be a little boy with candy and tea, rather than a young-adult one his way to make lean, with THC in his system, engaging a community watch person who probably should have stayed in the car. It’s a sad affair all around, but objectively you have put Martin under the same microscope as GZ, and the left isn’t doing that. The backlash is a questioning of veracity in all the tripe printed about this case, pointing out facts rather than a farcical story about a “white guy” hunting down a “black child”. The left set the tempo when they lied, and most people are merely fighting back with the facts about Martin . . . and Zimmerman (a life-long, documented friend to the black community).
Zimmerman made bad choices, but most “stand your ground” acquittals are like this, to my understanding. Fights end in murder, though the shooter gets off. The GZ case could be viewed this way, and though the evidence suggests Martin was the attacker, there’s still enough doubt as to what happened. Theoretically, Zimmerman could have “stalked” Martin, though the evidence doesn’t point in that direction.
The right way for Martin’s family to go is a Civil Case if they think it wasn’t “justice.” That’s their right and their choice, and for anyone else to get involved is both disrespectful and drifting into a public lynching of man who was found innocent by the law. A very dangerous precedent. A Civil Rights Case is completely bogus and laughable.
Zimmerman never should have been charged and the involvement of social groups and injection of politics by the president is unconscionable.
But as we are seeing, the left “fringe” is more of the left mainstream, and being unduly reported as if it’s the “majority” what we the people think and want — Martin was murdered in cold blood by a white guy — that’s the popular narrative.
The right “fringe” is truly that: a fringe. I’m sure some think GZ was a hero and Martin was a villain, but I’ve not heard or read that, and to suggest that is a popular idea among the “right” is just sheer paranoid stupidity. That idea isn’t gaining ground, but the people are tired of getting steamrolled by the radicals in this country and speaking up . . . which is then fed back as “the evil reactionaries are taking over!” in the media. No, not the case.
You have your own bias and you’re justifying it with the existence of a few knuckleheads that think GZ is a hero. The majority . . . vast majority of Americans think GZ is not-guilty of both murder and racism. This issue is lingering on to support political agendas, and that is truly shameful. If someone cares about Martin and his family, they’ll commit time to helping out the poor and the downtrodden, hopefully in way that doesn’t make them feel they should carry a gun.
Bitching on blogs does nothing except spread division.
The President can’t seem to please either the far right nor those further left than he as president chooses to steer the ship:
Nathan Blue
the right to carry a gun is a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT,
if someone attack you savagely you have to think of your life and as soon as it escalate you can die,
GEORGE ZIMMERMAN HAD TO SHOOT AFTER BEING BEATEN TO A POINT OF NO RETURN,
AND WHEN THE GUN CAME OUT TO BE NOTICE HE HAD NO MORE CHOICE,
HE SAVE HIS LIFE,
DO YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT?
I don’t think so, he is no hero, just a good man who wanted to help his community, he help many other people also,
bye
@Greg: #2, Decide?
Anyone that is having to ‘decide’, that Obama’s comments were inappropriate just doesn’t understand what the word means. The only racism in the whole case was the race hustlers and Obama. You should be ashamed of your stance.
Note: This was not a stand your ground case.
@Greg:#17
Ah so, you did a good self description. In the case you’re talking about, even with the biased against Zimmerman case presented by the prosecution and with all the liberals in the country pulling for a conviction, you still can’t see that he was clearly innocent. You surely must have been looking in the mirror when describing those that can’t see. Hilarious, except it’s also pitiful
@Budvarakbar: Yea, like the info that just came out that proves that Trayvon and Tracy (his dad) were texting each other about Trayvon getting a firearm, and this was between Feb 18 and 22 while in Sanford just before his demise. So why did his dad think Trayvon needed a firearm?
@Greg: #70 You sure are a sore loser.
@Redteam, #78:
It was a trial, not a competitive sporting event staged for the public’s entertainment.
@Greg:
I guess you missed Di Maio’s testimony. The multiple contusions on Zimmerman’s head absolutely required multiple blows because his head is not flat.
Martin’s hands were not properly preserved.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/05/16/autopsy-results-reportedly-indicate-trayvon-martin-suffered-injuries-to/#ixzz2ZrjgmgUo
DrJohn
hi,
I think
he did not need to have knuckle injuries as he bash his head on the concrete
he was just holding his head with both hands one on each side, even that he repeated about 12 times,
the knuckle mark was when he punch him on the nose and broke his nose,
thank you for your POST
BYE
Dov Ivry
I FIND YOUR COMMENTS AND LINK VERY CREDIBLE,
ANY OTHER RACE IS A FEAR FOR THEM, and an excuse for them to want to destroy them,
we see such brutality AND LIES, among the low informed BLACKS TURNED ON CRIMES,
WHY ARE THEY SO SURPRISED TO SEE THE WHITES ON A DEFENSIVE AROUND THEM,
IT IS PERFECTLY NORMAL FOR ADULT WHO KNOW IT,
ONLY THE YOUNG BLACKS AND WHITES ARE NOT INFORMED ENOUGH, AND SOME PAY WITH THEIR LIVES FOR HAVING GIVE THEIR TRUST TOTALLY TO THE POTENTIAL ABUSER OF IT,
@ilovebeeswarzone:
Thanks, Bees.
I recall listening to Rachel Jentel after the trial, twice she was interviewed.
One of those two times she strongly expressed that ”the cracka” (add the possessive – ‘s) part in a Trayvon ass-whoopin’ was to TAKE IT!!!!
See, it’s a game!
There are roles in the game.
The cracker’s role in THAT game was to lay back and be beaten without resistance.
Doesn’t matter if it may not stop until you are dead.
Doesn’t matter if that thought crosses your mind.
And Greg seems to have adopted Rachel’s viewpoint of what is the proper part of the cracker in a beat-down.
Weirdly, I really don’t believe he would do that if it were he in that position.
Nan G
GREG would be the first one to yell for help, but what would he do when told to shut up, the guy will call the police already on the way,
GREG would say he’s not serious, he just bluff,
and choke on his blood he is swallowing,
@Wordsmith: Since when has this potus ever pleased any right thinking person?
@Redteam: Looks like he wanted to join the other millions of Americans exercising their 2nd Amendment rights — especially the flood of NEW gun owners and CC permits applied for since obie got immaculated
@Greg: Right — so what ya moaning about — everyone without a racist axe to grind has accepted the verdict. — how many juries have you ever been on?
@Redteam: Fabulous:
The question then becomes – what could Greg see?
There was an old song that went: “He was looking back to see if she was looking back to see if he was looking back to see if she was looking back to see —-
@Greg: @Greg: #79
Then why did ‘your side’ ridicule the verdict so much? If as you say, it was to determine the facts, which it did, why do you consider that you lost? Doesn’t everyone win when the facts are in and the jury has ruled, it’s all settled and then you have no doubt that GZ was innocent.
Budvarakbar
I just love that one,
VENTURA
WHAT’S WITH YOU? ARE YOU NUT?
YOU WANT TO SUE A DEAD HERO,
YOU ARE DESPICABLE, GET OFF HIS BACK,
IF CHRIS KYLE SAID SOMETHING, IT WAS TRUE,
WE ALL BELIEVE HIM.
IF YOU SAY HE LIED, YOU WILL BE SUE FOR ALL YOU’VE GOT
@DrJohn, #80:
Vincent DiMaio is the paid witness who stated, in court, “If I reached over and ripped out your heart, you could stand there and talk to me for 10 to 15 seconds.”
The guy is a paid shill. He expresses whatever opinion he’s paid to express.
He was a paid witness at the Drew Peterson trial. His expert opinion on that occasion was that Peterson’s wife had probably slipped in the bath tub as a result of her possible use of bath oils. He stated that it wasn’t unusual to find drowned adult bodies face-down in their bathtubs, as Peterson’s wife was found. He didn’t find her face-down position inconsistent with the fact that she had received a heavy blow to the back of the head, nor did he have a problem with a sharp-force laceration to the front of the head, when there were no protuberances in the tub area that could have caused such an injury.
The guy also testified for the defense at the Phil Spector trial, pocketing $26,400 for that gig. It was his considered opinion that Lana Clarkson had committed suicide. Out of court, DiMaio publicly expressed the opinion that she had probably killed herself because she was an over-the-hill actress—a woman losing her looks.
@Greg:
And the county medical examiner is NOT paid? Oh, wait, the difference is that one is paid by the defense, and the other is paid by the taxpayers. And what about the record of what’s her face that testified for the prosecution that has been booted as ME by a number of different agencies and who was brought up on charges some time back?
@Wordsmith:
LOL, yea, first, I’m not sure there is anyone further left than Obama. And as far as the ‘far right’, I’m not sure they even know what they want.
@Redteam:
I don’t really think there is a consensus on what is meant by “far-right.” To the far-left, it seems to mean anyone right of a RINO.
@retire05, #93:
A county medical examiner is not paid to provide whatever opinion is desired by a prosecutor or a defense attorney on demand. A county medical examiner doesn’t receive payment for testifying in court at all. He or she is paid for doing the job of a county medical examiner.
Vincent DiMaio is paid for his performances. He plays the part of an expert delivering an objective opinion. His function is to sway the jury toward the side of his employer.
GREG
YOU SEEM TO BELIEVE THE LIARS AND RAISE DOUBT ON THE ONE TELLING THE TRUTH,.
that happen all the time, is it that you get paid for trying to demote the truth?
and bring the liars as a true source,
or is it that you have a conflict who is born upside down mentally and upward physically?
two anti thesis always in confrontation. and denial with self and other
you wish to belong with, while you expect them to aggree with you.
@Greg:
The medical examiner is a paid county position. They are on the clock whether they are in the morgue, or on the stand in a court room. They are still on the clock.
And the ME testifying for the prosecution was NOT?
Greggie, you become more absurd by the day.
@Greg: Always an excuse . . .
The Prosecution has the same right to bring in a paid expert like DiMaio. That DiMaio was being paid was made clear to the jury. Not new. Not a scandal. Not the reason GZ was found innocent.
The trial was clean. The Prosecution made it’s case, as did the Defense. There was not enough evidence to prove GZ was guilty of breaking the law. Serve on a jury someday, and you’ll understand this a lot better.
Case closed. You may not like it, but our legal system isn’t based on people’s feelings or biases, it’s based on the Constitution and laws passed, a jury of citizens deciding if laws were broken: not presidents, and not the liberal mob.
Stop digging for and fabricating weak reasons to say this was all “injustice.” You don’t understand the legal system in your own country, and you are totally compromised by fanfare and political influence.
@retire05, #98:
If you can’t figure out the difference between a county medical examiner’s objective testimony and the testimony of a person specifically hired to express opinions tailored to fit the needs of an attorney, you probably can’t figure out much of anything.