28 Mar

I Promise! Barack Obama’s Great Deception on Healthcare Premiums [Reader Post]

                                       

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Remember way back to the 2008 Presidential campaign? Then Senator Obama made a promise, one he repeated over and over for the next few years. Here’s a refresher of what he said:

If you’ve got insurance through your employer, you can keep your insurance. We estimate we can cut the average family’s premium by about $2,500 per year. If you don’t have health insurance, then we’re going to provide you the option of buying into the same kind of federal pool that both Sen. McCain and I enjoy as federal employees. We’re going to make sure insurance companies can’t discriminate on the basis of pre-existing conditions. We’ll negotiate with the drug companies for the cheapest available prices. We are going to invest in information technology to eliminate bureaucracy and make the system more efficient. We’ve got to put more money into preventive care.”

This figure that Obama kept spouting ad nauseum was derived from a memo by three Harvard professors that were unpaid advisers to the Obama campaign. Their memo cites their “best guess” of annual savings of $200 billion. They then divided that by the U.S. population, multiplied out to represent a family of four, then they rounded down to get to the $2500 figure.

However, we ultimately got confirmation of something that just about every logical thinking American knew for the truth – that Obamacare would not drive costs down, but it would have the opposite effect and inflate healthcare costs across the board.

“During his first run for president, Barack Obama made one very specific promise to voters: He would cut health insurance premiums for families by $2,500, and do so in his first term.

But it turns out that family premiums have increased by more than $3,000 since Obama’s vow, according to the latest annual Kaiser Family Foundation employee health benefits survey.

Premiums for employer-provided family coverage rose $3,065 — 24% — from 2008 to 2012, the Kaiser survey found. Even if you start counting in 2009, premiums have climbed $2,370.

What’s more, premiums climbed faster in Obama’s four years than they did in the previous four under President Bush, the survey data show.”

Now fast forward to today and what does Secretary of Health and Human Services, Kathleen Sebelius have to say about Obamacare?

“These folks will be moving into a really fully insured product for the first time, and so there may be a higher cost associated with getting into that market,” she said. “But we feel pretty strongly that with subsidies available to a lot of that population that they are really going to see much better benefit for the money that they’re spending.”

Ms. Sebelius added that those customers currently pay more for their health care if their plans have high out-of-pocket costs, high deductibles or exclude particular types of coverage, such as mental health treatment. She also said that some men and younger customers could see their rates increase while women and older customers could see their rates drop because the law restricts insurers’ ability to set rates based on age and gender.”

Now that the election is over, and Mr. Obama is safely ensconsed as President Obama for a second term, and as we are starting to see the mal effects of Obama’s policies more and more of the undeniable truth is being revealed.

But it isn’t only individual and family insurance costs that are costing more, the states are on the hook for billions more healthcare costs, as well.

“The additional cost to employers in states that do not expand Medicaid has been estimated as $1.3 billion a year. Of course, if Medicaid is expanded, that’s another fleecing for we, the taxpaying sheep. If we’re going to get our pockets picked anyway, subsidizing businesses sounds like it would be cheaper. And that’s what waiving the notorious “individual mandate” or business mandates amounts to, because the purpose of those mandates is to force every American to buy health insurance right away, rather than waiting until they get sick and invoking that “must cover pre-existing conditions” mandate.

Governor Rick Perry of Texas, which is resisting Medicaid expansion, made this point through a spokeswoman: “This is not free money from the federal government – it’s either being borrowed from China or taken out of taxpayers’ pockets. The state and federal government can’t afford the current Medicaid program as is, and it’s financially irresponsible to continue expanding a program that we know to be broken.”

Thank you President Obama, you’ve made sure you were the U.S. President who ushered in socialized medicine, regardless of whether it actually helps anyone…

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48 Responses to I Promise! Barack Obama’s Great Deception on Healthcare Premiums [Reader Post]

  1. Zelsdorf Ragshaft III says: 1

    I am shocked! President Barack Hussein Obama lied? The man who hides his history? Lied? No!

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  2. Pete says: 2

    Obamacare delenda est.

    This is nothing more than a despicable totalitarian scam to get control of everyone by rationing health care. It sickens me that all of the things conservatives (and straight talking doctors) were warning about the inherent flaws and blatant deception of the democrats in their frantic bribery and “you’ve got to pass it to see what is in it” obfuscation maneuvers – those things are now being admitted by these disgusting liars like Sebelius, but the LSM refuses to cover the issue.

    A vote for any democrat (and any RINO) is treasonous…it is cultural suicide.

    Obamacare delenda est.

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  3. John says: 3

    Show me where and how Obamacare will ‘ration health care.” The insurance companies before Health Care Reform were doing just that! It’s how my friend’s grandmother finally succumbed to her disease. Aetna refused to pay for any more treatments. He sold her house, had benefit dinners but in the end, couldn’t afford it out of pocket. Wake up, please. And stop with the ‘treasonous’ crap.

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  4. Bobachek says: 4

    Many Obama voters weren’t concerned about the lie, they wanted to know what they were going to get for their vote, such as free healthcare although I will argue to the death that nothing is free..

    Those of us who have half of an ounce of fiscal common sense knew that you can’t add that many people into the system who aren’t paying for their healthcare and yet somehow costs will magically stay the same or go down, it simply isn’t possible.

    Obama boned those of us who will be funding the system and frankly he didn’t care becuase he knew we weren’t going to vote for him anyway. One more time because I do enjoy saying it, the only real crime in Mitt Romneys 47% comment caught on tape is that he was being brutally honest and the truth can really sting sometimes.

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  5. John
    you think that was bad?
    think again it’s a lot worse,
    when you hear doctors having problems with it,
    you better believe the worse is yet to come,
    yes you said it, OBAMA care is a treasonous crap
    indeed you’re right

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  6. retire05 says: 6

    ;John:

    Show me where and how Obamacare will ‘ration health care.” The insurance companies before Health Care Reform were doing just that!

    Really, so you think Aetna is bad? Perhaps you have never heard of the Health Insurance Report Card that compiles how well health insurance providers pay? And the provider that denied the most claims of all of them? Golly gee, it was Medicare, the government run health care provider. Not Aetna.

    Since you seem to be such a supporter of Obamacare, we can only assume you are one of those who will profit from it off the backs of taxpayers.

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  7. Greg says: 7

    The government isn’t shaking taxpayers down. As usual, the shakedown is being done by private industry, with the assistance of assorted politicians.

    Any chance yet that Medicare will be allowed to bargain for lower drug prices?

    Who set things up with Part D to specifically forbid the government from doing that?

    If you want to “fix” Obamacare you’d better start with things like that. You’re sure as hell not going to be able to start “fixing” things by getting rid of expanded coverage. It’s not politically possible. As in, just try it, and see what happens at the polls.

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  8. Randy says: 8

    @Greg: Maybe if we were not in such a rush to pass Obamacare bill that we didn’t have time to read it Obamacare would have been more likely to be successful. Wonder who the politicians who passed that darn bill before anyone had a chance to read it?

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  9. Dc says: 9

    Sigh: It was kind of a shock when the banks collapsing and economy in free fall, etc., that the first thing on Obama’s agenda was trying to play FDR to create the largest entitlement and tax program since SS, and stiff arm republicans and conservatives country wide in the process of doing it. “I won”.

    As I recall, he said we don’t need to hear from the people who caused these problems (as if RNC caused health issues) in the first place. They locked everyone out who didn’t agree with them and went on a group think, mind-meld and created this mess. These issues with Obama Care and the fact that it didn’t deal with “cost”, as well as many others (the quality of care, and the fact that it was a tax/drag on the system) were brought up. People were even going to town halls to shout down their reps about it, and STILL everybody was told to “SHUT UP”. Or, they just stuck their fingers in their ears and stomped their feet.

    I recall trying to have this discussion with liberal friends. And that’s basically what they said to me. SHUT UP. I asked a simple question….what in this bill is going to reduce costs? I explained that they (people who had no insurance or who had minimal catastrophic plans) were going to get screwed by it. That they would be paying $$$ for insurance. They said it was all republican propaganda. That repubs were just trying to ruin it.

    So, here we are. And believe it or not…my friends STILL don’t understand that by next year they are going to be required to pay for full coverage insurance. I think they just trust the president (and liberals) blindly that they would do things right by them because they are the “good” people who recycle and buy green products, etc. They don’t realize that the fact that they choose to spend their otherwise healthy income on $$$ “green” products and services and live in very $$$ trendy neighborhoods doesn’t exempt them from the requirement to have insurance and pay for it. They aren’t going to get exemptions or subsidies for their life style. And maybe, just maybe…you think when they are no longer able to make “those” choices for themselves that they will wake up and see what’s happening? Not a chance!

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  10. Dc
    you said the key word,
    YOU SAID: I think they trust blindly the PRESIDENT to do the right thing,

    you all REPUBLICAN, CONSERVATIV, TEAPARTY, shut up,
    you just hate him, you just want him to fail, you are all racist,
    don’t worry it’s a REPUBLICAN talk, and shut up,
    yes but PAUL RYAN BUDGET want OBAMA CARE TO BE SCRATCH because it is an insane book
    with multiple thousands pages, which you will never be able to decipher;
    oh shut up, OBAMA won’t read it, he has his lawyers, he pay them big money to know what’s in it,

    yes but I want to know;
    no you don’t need to know, you would not understand,
    but they say it will cost too much,
    shut up and go FORWARD, don’t listen to REPUBLICANS,
    close your mind and trust OBAMA,
    he is getting AMERICA in an all out war, just trust him

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  11. anticsrocks says: 11

    @John: You said:

    Show me where and how Obamacare will ‘ration health care.” The insurance companies before Health Care Reform were doing just that!

    Let me get this straight, you are saying that Obamacare WON’T ration healthcare, and in the same breath, you say that health care rationing already happens?

    So how is it that Obamacare will be able to get around rationing? Because as a person that is disabled and already on Medicare, I can personally attest to the fact that I am being denied services that I was NOT DENIED BEFORE OBAMACARE WAS PASSED.

    And just for the record, I never used the word treasonous…
    .
    .

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  12. anticsrocks says: 12

    @Bobachek: I agree with you, Bobachek. And it finally came out after the election that the guy who was working on the catering staff on the day that Romney made that infamous 47% comment had already worked an event for the Romney campaign before. Seems that he was miffed because Gov. Romney failed to say thank you when he was handed a drink by the guy, so he decided to record the event in hopes that he would get something that would hurt the Romney campaign. The guy is a liberal democrat, go figure. But remember, they are the ‘tolerant’ ones.

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  13. anticsrocks
    so sorry to hear that, and I was thinking of it to happen for you,
    when you did not show up here for a while,I thought maybe you had
    the intervention,
    sorry that you are still waiting,
    bye

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  14. the guy that record the ROMNEY speech is a sold out obamist creep,
    to have done that like a rampant snake he is,

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  15. Dc says: 15

    I think it was right that people knew/know what Romney said behind closed doors. Now, if we only knew what Obama said behind closed doors…..? That was the main difference. People, even the MSM who’s job it is to look into and dig up things like this….’protect’ Obama and hide things for him! And what they can’t hide, they spin to make it look like something else.

    You can go on youtube and find many, many instances of Obama saying one things, doing another, or even just saying he didn’t say what he did the first time. The press just isn’t interested in it. The president “did” say that Obamacare would be revenue neutral, that it would bend the cost curve down, that you could keep your plan if you liked it, etc. None of those things are true. And they weren’t true when he said it. There were people yelling and screaming trying to point it out, and nobody was interested….it got papered over.

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  16. BENGAMIN CARSON is a superior man, gifted to the core,
    a HEALER, make you think of what AMERICA would need,
    he has WISDOM, and CLASS,
    a real treasure came out of the smart AMERICA,

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  17. Obama paying millions for research on the sex on SNAILS,
    a couple order their entree from the menu,
    she said I’ll have a male snail,
    he said I’ll have the female.
    the owner call the police he said
    we have pervert here insulting the waiter
    we don’t wish to serve them

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  18. John says: 18

    @Dc:

    Who cares ‘what Obama said behind closed doors?’ As long as it was the opposite of what Lord Romney said, which proved he was a crook, I’m fine with that!

    You guys believe the most absurd lies!
    http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/03/21/1755271/michele-bachmann-obamacare-will-literally-kill-people/

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  19. John says: 19

    @anticsrocks: “Let me get this straight, you are saying that Obamacare WON’T ration healthcare, and in the same breath, you say that health care rationing already happens?”

    Ah…no….I’m saying BEFORE HCR, insurance companies rationed, denied and cancelled coverage. How do you not know this?

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  20. John
    that’s MITT ROMNEY, and he was trying to get the real CROOK out,
    but the election was CROOKED by the CROOK.
    get a life

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  21. Budvarakbar says: 21

    @anticsrocks: John is just displaying typ lib logic — it’s already screwed up so we (big nanny government-= bolsheviks) are gonna fix it for you! Besides it is/was somebody/something elses’ fault.

    Truth is that almost any fault in the med system prior to obie-care was caused by government regulations.

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  22. Budvarakbar says: 22

    @Dc: Just remember also that the 47% was a truthful statement!

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  23. OBAMA cannot make any decisions which would help the PEOPLE find jobs,
    look at the KEYSTONE PROJECT, he is delayed and delayed and delayed by dancing each time in between the delay, no leader would do that on a friendly COUNTRY specially,
    the waiting cost CANADA a lot of money, OBAMA could not care less,
    of the problems he cause to PEOPLE, business PEOPLE,
    he only care about his self, and turning criminals loose
    to kill and rob the good people,
    how weird is that.
    and without advising the GOVERNOR or and the SHERIFFS

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  24. John says: 24

    Beez: Your logic and prose are both laughable.

    From today:

    Arkansas residents evacuate as Exxon-Mobil tar sands pipeline ruptures:
    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/03/30/arkansas-residents-evacuate-as-exxon-mobil-tar-sands-pipeline-ruptures/

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  25. John says: 25

    @Bobachek: “One more time because I do enjoy saying it, the only real crime in Mitt Romneys 47% comment caught on tape is that he was being brutally honest and the truth can really sting sometimes”

    And the sad part is even after they all but bend you over and try to screw you out of what you paid taxes for, the GOP still convinces you it’s in your best interest to vote for them.

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  26. John says: 26

    @retire05: “Since you seem to be such a supporter of Obamacare, we can only assume you are one of those who will profit from it off the backs of taxpayers. ”
    …..

    And idiot would assume that while insurance companies, because of the GOP, are still making billions and prescription costs are 20 times what they are in Canada.

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  27. John
    you sound so happy to stick it to me.
    I was expecting the socalled activist to do some piking, with their pic,
    it’s their thing,
    they are not to be trust,
    this is a crucial time they know it, because of the KEYSTONE voted in,
    I demand an investigation as soon, to find the proof,
    here’s right back at you kid

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  28. John
    the activist where not far, your link said
    they are there already by now.

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  29. John
    not because the GOP,
    It’s because of the DEMOCRATS they are calling the shot there,
    so leave the GOP alone for now,
    and wait till they take power the next time,
    you will see how intelligent they are and how they will work for AMERICA,
    finally.

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  30. Dc says: 30

    John, I think if people had been privy to the behind the closed doors antics of the Obama whitehouse during the debate over gov intervention into healthcare at a time when our economy and banking system had just collapsed that “obamacare” would have never passed in it’s current form.

    The entire point of the exercise was supposed to be “reducing” health care cost (ie., bending the curve) for Americans while providing better care and covering more people all without costing a dime. If you believe “that”, you’re an idiot. And there were plenty of moments the President could have been put to the task on those very points and he was not.

    This new bill did “nothing” to address cost issues and it’s an abomination in regards to anybodies definition of “choice”. And as far as special interest goes…Pharma was completely exempt from this bill. How many “visits” did big pharma lobby reps have to the WH prior to it’s passing? You don’t know. I’m just suggesting, had this been McCain or Bush doing the exact same thing…pushing for exactly the same things…your reaction and the press reaction would have been totally different.

    As to…(ie., anything he does is fine with you cause it’s inherently opposite whatever conservative position is) Obama in some ways is NOT any different. In fact…he’s taken some things from Bush and doubled down on them (like homeland security and killing americans with drones at his own discretion). He’s got special interests and lobby ties running out his arse…which makes his picking and choosing winners and losers in the market place that much more problematic. So, perhaps you might want to re-think your logic in that regard.

    What “is’ inherently different would be in those instances where they have both (Bush/Obama) done the same exact thing…the press coverage, outrage and world interest in the outcome would be entirely different based on some inherent reading into the “intention” of each of them. Bush was evil. Obama is good. Therefore, if Obama does it…it “must” be because he’s trying to do something good for us all. If Bush does the same thing, it “must” be because he was trying to destroy us all to make his friends rich.

    I don’t think Obama is “evil”. I think he’s very bright/smart, young man, well educated, and that he wasn’t ready to be president because he had not spent enough time outside of politics in a way to forge the kind of relationships with divergent interests inherent to Washington politics. He was a Senator for a very short time and was a hard line party liberal as well. He had not put in the time to have become a statesman and worked intricate deals. That’s why it’s hard for a senator or someone inside the partisan playing field to rise up the ranks to be president….too much voting record (for and against).

    And it makes it hard for them to forge relationships needed to get compromise for anything. Sound familiar? The only way around that of course…is to gain control of the house/senate and the Whitehouse and then just ram what you want down the throat of anyone who gets in your way. It’s not a good way to get things done. What we have done instead of focusing on these things…is to demonize and split people apart based on income, race, etc. and attach a political identity to those things. Sort of a package identity/label that makes it easier to assign. Obama is paying for those mistakes right now. And he’s trying to rebuild some kind of trust with RNC leadership to forge deals. Unfortunately, he’s violated that trust more than once, ..changing his mind, the terms of agreement, etc. See Woodwards book. He got far enough inside to report a glimpse of that.

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  31. retire05 says: 31

    @John:

    And idiot would assume that while insurance companies, because of the GOP, are still making billions and prescription costs are 20 times what they are in Canada.

    And who has the greater profit margin, dimwit; the health insurance providers or the beer industry?

    And Canada is in for a big shock; they contract with the pharmaceutical companies for X amount of drugs. But when it becomes cost prohibitive for the drug companies to fill those order, ooops, well I guess Canadians will just have to do without. Even now, there are drugs available for things like HIV/AIDs treatment in the U.S. that Canadians don’t have access to.

    Here, John, educate yourself:

    http://www.canadadrugshortage.com/

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health-and-fitness/health-canada-warns-of-worsening-drug-shortages/article591014/

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  32. anticsrocks says: 32

    @John: You said:

    Ah…no….I’m saying BEFORE HCR, insurance companies rationed, denied and cancelled coverage. How do you not know this?

    Never said I didn’t know it. I was merely pointing out that you contradicted yourself. By the way, which insurance entity denies the most claims, John?

    As was correctly pointed out by retire, it is Medicare.

    According to AMA’s National Health Insurance Report Card, Medicare denies 6.85 percent of its claims, higher than any private insurer (Aetna was second, denying 6.80 percent of its claims), and more than double any private insurer’s average. – http://blog.heritage.org/2009/10/06/medicare-largest-denier-of-health-care-claims/ and SOURCE TWO

    Previously, you said:

    Show me where and how Obamacare will ‘ration health care.”

    Okay, here goes:

    Get Ready For Obamacare’s Medical Rationing

    ObamaCare supporters are now waging a high-profile public relations campaign to make medical rationing palatable to the general public.

    The latest front is the opinion pages of the New York Times, which recently published two Op-Eds openly advocating medical rationing. The first was by their economics columnist Eduardo Porter, “Rationing Health Care More Fairly” (8/21/2012).
    Porter argued that rationing was “inevitable” and the only question was how best to implement it.
    ~~~~~~
    The second pro-rationing piece was by Obama administration advisor Steve Rattner, “Beyond ObamaCare” (9/16/2012). Rattner stated up front, “We need death panels.”

    Rattner advocated restricting medical spending on the elderly, especially on patients in their last year of life, because such spending “consumes more than a quarter of the [Medicare] program’s budget.”
    ~~~~~~
    In a recent New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM) article, former Obama administration officials have also advocated a more indirect form of rationing. They’ve proposed a fixed cap on aggregate private medical spending (not just government spending). Such a cap has already been enacted into law in Massachusetts and the authors wish to extend that to the rest of the country. Of course, any cap on private medical spending necessarily means the government must restrict Americans’ right to spend their own money for their own medical care.

    One of the co-authors of this NEJM article, Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, has already laid the intellectual groundwork for overt rationing in a 2009 Lancet article, “Principles For Allocation of Scarce Medical Interventions.” Dr. Emanuel is a former White House health care advisor and the brother of Rahm Emanuel, President Obama’s former chief of staff.

    Dr. Emanuel proposes rationing based on a combination of factors including patient age, expected “quality adjusted life years,” and the patient’s “instrumental value” to “society.” Given that the government would be making (and paying for) these rationing decisions, value to “society” will become “value as determined by the government.”
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    Rationing is inevitable whenever the government controls medical spending. He who pays the piper calls the tune. Under ObamaCare, government control of health spending will quickly expand to affect most Americans, not only the elderly.- SOURCE

    So you see, John rationing will abound in Obamacare, especially if it is allowed to be fully funded and implemented.

    It is true that rationing already exists in private health care. When the patient decides not to have that procedure done because they don’t want to pay the co-pay, or to fill that script because they don’t want to pay for it, then that is rationing. Private insurance companies also have to ration, to a degree. But the difference is this – when your private insurance company rations healthcare by denying coverage, you have options. You can turn to another company, or you can enlist your government to put pressure on your insurance company via your state’s oversight agency. However, when your government is the sole supplier of healthcare and they ration you by denying coverage, then who is left to turn to???

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  33. anticsrocks says: 33

    @Budvarakbar: Yep, I know my arguments with him will probably fall on deaf ears, but I strive to make inroads for Conservatives, anyway.

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  34. anticsrocks says: 34

    @John: You said:

    And the sad part is even after they all but bend you over and try to screw you out of what you paid taxes for, the GOP still convinces you it’s in your best interest to vote for them.

    And the Democrats who bend you over by continually and insistently demand that you pay more and more taxes because you’re a millionaire (never mind you only make $200,000.00 a year, you now qualify as a millionaire by Obama and the Dems), also still try to convince you to vote for them coz they aren’t the evil bad Republicans. You know, the same Republicans who are supposedly waging a war on women, even though its the Dems who have advocated that the best way a woman can prevent rape is by peeing on her attacker…

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  35. anticsrocks says: 35

    @John: You said:

    And idiot would assume that while insurance companies, because of the GOP, are still making billions and prescription costs are 20 times what they are in Canada.

    While some drugs do cost less in Canada, others don’t. Furthermore, large numbers of Canadians come to the United States to buy drugs because so many drugs are not available at any cost in Canada. The Canadian government purposely restricts the overall availability of prescription drugs through a combination of a lengthy drug approval process and oppressive price controls. The result is that patients are often harmed.
    ~~~~
    Through limiting the availability of prescription drugs and controlling the prices of those that are available, Canada has succeeded only in preventing Canadians from obtaining drugs that might have reduced hospital stays and expensive medical procedures. Despite prices on some individual drugs that are lower than in the United States, Canada has been unable to hold down the overall cost of either prescription drugs or other health care. The result is a lower standard of health care at a higher cost than Canadian patients and taxpayers have a right to expect. – SOURCE

    But never mind all that, it’s the GOP’s fault, right John?
    .
    .

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  37. anticsrocks says: 36

    Well, I knew my rebuttals were not timely, but it does look like John won’t come back.

    *sigh*

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  38. anticsrocks
    well said to John the arrogant troll, he was getting us tired of his opinion obamistly wrong,
    and the OBAMA HEALTH CARE is proving his failed thousands pages of lies,
    just reading the truth that have delay the intervention of heart problems
    and for a real backup of people waiting still after years of having
    their name on the list for so long , now doesn’t count for the physician,
    it is the real telling of a broken system, which the specialist cannot take,
    and decide to stop and wait till that obamacare is thrown out for good,
    so to reclaim their previous list of patients waiting so tolerant and so patiently,
    that the abuse is humongous aim at good AMERICANS,
    it should not be tolerate one bit,
    no wonder, THE PEOPLE are preparing some message to be deliver to the GOVERNMENT,
    which should make a point this time.
    best to you.

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  39. anticsrocks says: 38

    @ilovebeeswarzone: Thank you Miss Beezy, your comments nearly always put a smile on my face. I love your passion, it is obvious your sincerity and love for this country abound.

    And thanks for the kind words about my long wait for a new heart. Right now, I reside in Illinois, but my wife and I are seriously discussing moving to Florida. We’re trying to find a good cardiologist specializing in adults with congenital heart problems.

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  40. anticsrocks
    hi, I know in MONTREAL there are super CARDIOLOGISTS, why don’t you check
    with both big UNIVERSITY to get some info, there is also the JEWISH HOSPITAL,
    which is ahead in medical organs transplant,
    all in MONTREAL PROVINCE OF QUEBEC, some cardiologist do some transplant
    in other places, you also could get a reference for a USA best,
    search MCGILL UNIVERSITY phone 1 514 398 4455
    1 514398 3991 or
    1 514 398 8257, research and international relation.
    in MONTREAL, PROVINCE OF QUEBEC CANADA

    other one french university,
    stay with a rooted physician be it an AMERICAN or A CANADIAN, also: university de MONTREAL: french
    1 514 343 6111
    check them all on line the WEB
    , no MEXICAN or other,
    bye

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  41. Pete says: 40

    @John:

    EVERY socialist healthcare plan has to ration care under government bureaucracy control. I am sorry that you were on Aetna and they reached the point where they denied care. But you had the choice to decide on Aetna. You will not have a choice with the government, John, and care WILL be rationed worse than anything Aetna did before.

    What do you think the IPAB in obamacare is going to do other than make the rules to ration care? Are you really that dim? Medicaid (which is the precursor to this evil obamacare garbage) rations care every day, John. Obamacare is only going to make rationing WORSE. You cannot add 30 million more beneficiaries (who will not be paying for their obamacare services because they are below 130% of the poverty line) and do anything other than ration care. it is simple math, which we know liberals think doesn’t affect their totalitarian and TREASONOUS garbage.

    I served my country in three wars, so I will continue to call Obamacare and all demosocialist programs treasonous when they are unconstitutional and devoid of anything good for our nation. You leftist gasbags haven’t taken our 1st Amendment and 2nd Amendment rights away just yet.

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  42. Pete says: 41

    @Greg:

    Right….that is why polls continue to show more than 50% of the country do not like obamacare.
    I just came back from a medical convention where Dr. Ezekiel Emmanuel berated us during his presentation because we challenged obamacare. He has already started using the leftist excuse that DOCTORS are the cause of Medicare and Medicaid cost overruns. This is the same garbage we expect to hear when obamacare fails (as do all socialist scams eventually fail). Leftists are so out of touch with reality. Despite every medical authority stating there is already a significant doctor shortage that is only going to get worse, Dr. Emmanuel arrogantly stated there is no doctor shortage.

    As I have said previously, it doesn’t do you any good to have “insurance” if no doctors will accept your insurance. Medicaid pays 11-15% of what it costs the physician to treat a Medicaid patient. That means it COSTS the doctor money to see Medicaid patients. In order for the doctor to stay in business and pay his employees, his overhead, for his supplies to do testing, etc., he has to raise prices on people who work for a living and have private insurance, to cover the losses for his Medicaid patients. THAT is why doctors have to limit how many Medicaid patients they treat. That is the dirty political secret the democrats don’t want you to know. So when low information voters cannot get in to see a doctor despite having government obamacare insurance, who do you think those bastard politicans are going to blame? Watch for them to start demanding doctors be forced to take government insured patients or lose their medical licenses, and to demand single payer government takeover of all insurance. That is the endgame, and it is utterly treasonous.

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  43. Pete
    hi,
    and yes, some of our friend here who was waiting for a heart, is being more delay
    because of OBAMA CARE, he has been waiting for years, and now had hope and it was taken away with more delay,
    we also can say the DOCTORS have to become accountant and read that infamous 2700 pages to see if they are on par with the law or be fine that is a obama trick he use on every law he find a way to fine and collect,
    just like the MAFIA, and the doctors sense it and want no part of it,
    or giving money to OBAMA under the table to buy their jobs,
    another trick, beside the rest of it.

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  44. anticsrocks
    hi,
    I just come back from FOX and the subject was the DATA taken by zetabites on people
    in every thing they do, worse than ORWELL
    they touch how OBAMA won the election using this new science,
    I had heard of it but it is more precise in JOHN ROBERT show,
    and the mention was he use the people as guiny pigs, they where called question of their plan to votes and more of, which they said he won because of that use of expertize,
    now this is illegal to my mind, absolutely playing that GEORGE ORWELL trick,
    inciting, instigating and influencing the people leading them to the vote for him ,
    that is beside the computers managing to direct the votes from MITT ROMNEY to him,
    and computer adding votes by hundreds magicly in the computor of the one counting the votes
    one of them saying she started and open her computer and suddenly 400 votes came in at once,
    that is one example among other who votes plus than one,
    so I think that alone could be annulling the ELECTION of this 2012,
    do you think? all the facts are there, what else does the FBI want?
    they show a clip of MITT ROMNEY saying he had the election win a sure thing no doubt at all,
    definitely the FBI should work on it
    and right with the BENGHASI event before the ELECTION.
    this is one more connection missing.
    bye

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  45. anticsrocks
    it made me think of agenda 21,
    if the FBI could get it out before they go too far in taking away the PEOPLE defense,
    way of fighting that snake from rendering the PEOPLE unable to get out of it
    any way they can.
    or it will be too late to do anything
    we just notice the ELECTION is illegal and not valid, and nothing so far is done,
    bye

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  46. anticsrocks
    me again to say another name on what has been done to the voters,
    it’s MIND PROBE, or mind probing
    and it’s out of the rules of elections to my mind for sure,
    bye

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  47. Pete says: 47

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703746604574461610985243066.html

    Even though this seems to be a dead thread now, and it is highly unlikely that the liberal trolls (Liberal1, John or Greg) will ever deign to read facts regarding the inherent insolvency of any and all goveernment health care scams, I will try anyway.

    In 1965 the House Ways and Means Committee projected that Medicare would “only” cost $12 billion by 1990. It actually cost over $110 billion by that time.

    In 1965, the same committee projected that Medicare Hospital payments would only be $9 billion by 1990. The actual cost was over $67 billion.

    In 1987, government budget projections for Medicaid Hospitalization expenses would be $1 billion. They came in at $17 billion.

    These are just three examples of leftist fiscal insanity. Can anyone show a single example of a socialist program that EVER came in at less than 300% of what the socialists claimed would be the cost? Any of you liberal trolls, please explain to me how hiring 16,000 new IRS agents but not one single new doctor will provide healthcare to the 30-50 million alleged uninsured in the US…especially without rationing care? Are you going to chain me and my fellow physicians to our hospital wards and clinics and treat us as slaves to ensure that every last patient is seen?

    If leftists truly cared about the poor and uninsured, then why would they support a government program that would inherently go bankrupt and result in the destruction of the medical system? Because that is what Obamacare does. Ezekiel Emmanuel is exactly the kind of monster who will be denying people healthcare if they are not viewed as contributing enough to the collective.

    The sad fact of the matter is you leftists are too blinded by your envy, jealousy and need to feel sanctimonious that you refuse to accept the facts as they are. Socialism NEVER works. It will ALWAYS fail because it rewards laziness, cronyism, covetousness, and short-sightedness while punishing hard work, industriousness, far-sightedness and innovation. The end result is scarcity of resources, except for the apparatachiks who consider themselves more enlightened than everyone else.

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