18 Feb

How Conservatives can win in a world of “Low Information Voters”

                                       

How did Barack Obama win reelection despite 8 million fewer people working and a doubling of gas prices since he took office? Despite a flatlining GDP, $6 trillion in new debt, and the disastrous Benghazi? How is it possible that given his abject failure voters could give Barack Obama a second term? Easy… Republicans hate everyone.

This point was crystallized this week when Mary Katherine Ham got into a dustup with Juan Williams over the issue of gun control. Ham made the cogent point that Chicago, with some of the strongest gun control laws in the country is anything but a “promise land” of tranquility. Williams responded with the absurd notion that because Virginia has much weaker gun regulations than DC, the lives of people who live in DC are somehow less valuable.

As nonsensical as William’s argument (if you can call it that) was, its demonizing of Virginians as not valuing the lives of DC residents was not unusual. That is exactly how Barack Obama won reelection and how we’ve gotten ourselves into this quagmire of a bloated mommy state with trillions of dollars flowing to the “needy” and tens of thousands of pages of regulations seeking to “protect” citizens.

Conservatives and the GOP have been participating in different conversations than liberals for decades. While conservatives seek to engage in conversations about finding solutions for problems, liberals ignore them and steam ahead building their progressive utopia, regardless of the impact on the actual problems themselves.

The conversation between Ham and Williams provides a clear demonstration of the tactic. Data clearly show that jurisdictions with the most restrictive gun laws not only don’t show lower rates of gun violence, but typically have more gun violence. The conclusion that one might draw from this is that fewer gun laws mean more saved lives. You can disagree with the conclusion or argue about a lack of causation or you can suggest some other alternative explanation for the data. But that’s rarely what liberals do. Instead they suggest that if you’re against more gun laws you don’t want to protect children.

The same construct holds true for virtually every issue in politics:

  • You oppose Barack Obama you’re a racist.
  • You oppose increasing spending on education you don’t’ care about children.
  • You oppose wind farms and electric cars you don’t care about the environment.
  • You want borders enforced you hate Hispanics.
  • You want lower taxes you hate poor people.
  • You don’t support gay marriage you’re a homophobe.
  • You want Obamacare repealed you’re a greedy SOB who doesn’t care about children with cancer or the elderly needing medicines.
  • If you oppose increasing the minimum wage you don’t care about the poor.

And the list goes on. This is the liberal modus operandi: Demagoguery. Rather than engage in thoughtful discussions on the goals and efficacy of government regulations, they seek to demonize their opponents and in the process marginalize then sideline them.

Mitt Romney was just the latest causality of this Democratic pseudo defamation machine… He’s rich and wants lower taxes, therefore he hates poor people. Nevermind he created thousands of entry level jobs that gave poor people an income.

Before him Rudy Giuliani was called racist because of his crackdown on crime in New York City. Nevermind that he saved the lives of thousands of young black men by making the streets safer for everyone.

Ronald Reagan was constantly pilloried for everything from wanting to starve children to being a war monger. Nevermind he created a staggering level of economic growth that provided incomes to parents of millions of children, and that he won the Cold War.

The worst part of this liberal tactic is that it’s almost impossible to refute. Data rarely works to sway the argument. You saw that in William’s rejoinder to Ham. He had no interest in engaging on the facts. You also see it in the painting of the Tea Party movement as racist. Andrew Breitbart offered $100,000 for proof of the claim that Tea Partiers had spit on black members of congress. Despite thousands of phone cameras rolling nobody came forward. Nonetheless the meme of Tea Party racism continues, even in the face of explicit proof to the opposite. Once the left makes an assertion and the sycophants in the media get hold of it, it’s almost impossible to reverse.

Liberals have been seeking to delegitimize conservatives for half a century. Unfortunately it’s been a largely successful strategy, as can be seen by the growth of government regulation and spending under both Democrat and GOP administrations. As such, liberals have no intention of abandoning it any time soon.

Given that playing field, in order to achieve success conservatives are going to have to face those falsehoods head on. At the most basic level they must make the point, repeatedly, that their policies of limited government and fiscal restraint seek to help all Americans, not just particular groups. More importantly however, conservatives must be willing to go toe to toe with Democrats who seek to delegitimize them as haters of one sort or another. They must be willing to stand up and state clearly “I reject the basic premise of your argument” and clearly articulate that opposition to Democrat’s nanny state policies does not suggest that they hate anybody. Rather, by reducing government entanglement in our lives, conservative policies seek to help everyone and anyone succeed.

In a universe of “low information voters” the only recipe for success is for conservatives to stay laser focused on the idea that limited government helps drive prosperity, which helps everyone. Period. That’s it. There’s nothing else.  In a cacophony of issues we must narrow the focus to the only ones that count: freedom and prosperity, because once they’re gone, nothing else matters.  Conservatives must learn to compellingly deflect the “hate” label and focus attention on how freedom drives prosperity and prosperity makes everything else possible. By explicitly refuting those “hate” labels they can narrow the spectrum of discussion to the consequences of government policies. They should be under no illusion that doing so will change the votes of dyed in the wool liberals. It may however catch the attention of a sufficient number of those “low information voters” to sway the next two elections red and save the country from our impending Greece like collapse.

About Vince

The product of a military family, growing up in Naples, Italy and Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and being stationed in Germany for two years while in the Army, Vince spent half of his first quarter century seeing the US from outside of its own borders. That perspective, along with a French wife and two decades as a struggling entrepreneur have only fueled an appreciation for freedom and the fundamental greatness of the gifts our forefathers left us.
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90 Responses to How Conservatives can win in a world of “Low Information Voters”

  1. Nan G says: 1

    I saw the Ham/Willaims dust up.
    I thought of the old saying from Albert Einstein: Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

    Juan sees horrid results in DC and Chicago and wants to make their restrictive laws more universal AS IF that would solve the inherent problem with those laws.*

    *The inherent problem is that CRIMINALS do not abide by laws.

    And, Vince, your conclusion is correct: the only recipe for success is for conservatives to stay laser focused on the idea that limited government helps drive prosperity, which helps everyone. Period. That’s it. There’s nothing else.

    Fewer restrictive gun laws would save more lives (of every color) in DC, Chicago and everywhere else in the USA.

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  2. Diane R says: 2

    Absolutely correct and very nicely said. Thank you. I will send it to two Republican groups in government – the RSC and the GOP.

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  3. James Raider says: 3

    “low information voters”

    Democrats have learned how to ‘TALK’ to the uninformed – they lie, outright lie, again, and again. The State of The Union “Throne speech,” was one lie after another. One mislead after another. One “I say this, but DO that,” after another. And the un-inquisitive media snoozed.

    “limited government helps drive prosperity”

    Hear, Hear!
    @Nan G: The only caveat I would add is to demand that existing laws be enforced. Liberals keep flogging more restrictions, limitations, intrusions and regulations, while the existing laws are NOT enforced. AND YET, when they are occasionally enforced tepidly, liberals complain that sentences handed down are too onerous. Just enforce the laws, and make the sentences stick.

    And Juan Williams. Why is this guy on the air? Can’t CNN hire him? He never provides useful ‘insight.’ He pulls the liberal party line, and delivers no contribution to any dialogue. Of course, very few talking heads provide anything meaningful to anyone’s thinking, but using Juan as counter ‘balance’ to anything is a waste of time. And Mary Ham – not much more.

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  4. VINCE
    YES OF COURSE IT MUST BE DONE, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE KIND OF SEE
    SOME CONSERVATIVES TAKING SOME OF THEIR HABITS,
    THAT IS TO START TO DIVIDE THE OTHER AMONG THEM,
    BECAUSE THEY DON’T FIND THEM WORTHY OF BEING CONSERVATIVES
    OR FINDING THEM TOO MUCH ON THE FRINGE, OR TOO FAR RIGHT OR TOO MIDDLE OR TOO LEFT,
    THAT SEEMS TO BECOME A BAD TREND PICKED UP FROM THE DEMOCRATS BAD HABITS
    TO SEPARATE PEOPLE AND TURN THEM AGAINST EACH OTHER,
    SADLY

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  5. Greg says: 5

    Democrats have learned how to ‘TALK’ to the uninformed – they lie, outright lie, again, and again.

    MSNBC is presenting a documentary on the selling of the Iraq War by the Bush administration this evening, should anyone want to see an in depth retrospective of how a political party talks to and manipulates the uninformed. The title of the program is “Hubris.”

    We invaded a nation that had not attacked us because of lies. The cost of those lies in blood and dollars have been enormous.

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  6. Randy says: 6

    @Nan G: one of the guys I was with in Iraq sent me this today. It is simple, but he is a simple guy. Can low information voters get this?

    Participating in a gun buy back because you believe that the criminals have too many guns, is like having yourself castrated because you believe the neighbors have too many kids.

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  7. GREG
    yes, and they where pushing for it themselves,
    if they put the blame on PRESIDENT BUSH that is lies yes for sure,
    IRAK WAS RULED BY A KILLER AND NO SHAME VILE HUMAN,
    WHO HAD COLLECTED THE MUSTARD WEAPON AND DID NOT HESITATE TO USE IT ON ANOTHER NATION,
    he had the leader killed in an ambush,
    THEY MATCH THE PERFECT PROFILE TO ATTACK, AND CHANGE THEIR LEADERSHIP,
    THEY ATTACK THE NEIGHBORING PEACEFUL SMALLER COUNTRY,
    AND PRESIDENT GEORGE W BUSH WAS ALSO ATTACK IN AN AMBUSH, HE WAS PROTECTING THAT SMALL COUNTRY, NOT STRONG ENOUGH TO FIGHT IRAK WHICH WAS A BULLY AND KEPT THE
    TERRORIST IN HIS COUNTRY

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  8. Gomez says: 8

    I didn’t know George Bush was Democrat. Isn’t that the guy that created the Dept of Homeland Secutiry? Wasn’t it Bush that decided he, as President, had the right to limit free speech. It was clearly George Bush who oversaw the elimination of Habeus Corpus. It was George Bush who fought tooth and nail in an attempt to get the U.S. Supreme Court to uphold the D.C. gun control laws (see D.C. vs Heller)And all the Republicans cheered and said, “We need to do all this to be safe and secure…”
    They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~ Benjamin Franklin
    I wouldn’t vote for a damn Democrat or damn Republican if I was paid to. Both parties are lying frauds that have taken this country down over the past 100 years. Democrats row from the left while Republicans row from the right. But they are both rowing the same boat.
    Until conservatives wake up to the fact that the Republican party is just as left wing and worthless as the Democrats, the same trash will continue to be elected to public offices.

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  9. MARY CATHERINE HAM IS FAR FAR MORE INTELLIGENT THAN JUAN,
    HE IS FULL OF HIMSELF, AND HE GOT WHAT HE DESERVE WITH HER

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  10. GOMEZ
    MAY I correct you on this,
    the two PRESIDENT BUSH WHERE NOT DEMOCRAT AT ALL, YOU ARE BLAMING THEM FOR WHAT THE DEMOCRAT DID AND always put the blame on the PRESIDENT BUSH BOTH OF THEM,
    THEY STILL REPEAT IT IT TODAY AND CONVINCE THEIR PEOPLE UNAWARE OF THEIR LIES , YOU SURELY WOULD GET A BETTER LIFE WITH THE CONSERVATIVES WHO ARE RUNNING FOR ELECTION ALONG THE REPUBLICANS,
    YOU GET LESS AND I SAY LOT LESS AGENCIES BREATHING IN YOUR NECK AND CATCH YOU ON THE SMALLEST ERROR SO TO GET YOUR MONEY ,THAT IS THE DEMOCRAT MENTALITY
    OF GIVE ME YOUR MONEY WILLINGLY OR I’LL TAKE IT ANYWAY
    BEST TO YOU

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  11. Gomez says: 11

    @ilovebeeswarzone:
    I respectfully disagree with your view of history. Not being mean, but you really need to go back to 9/11 and study everything Bush did while in office. Go back even further to Bush Sr. Study what these men, along with Clinton and Obama, have done to methodically dismantle the U.S. Constitution. The Bush’s are no more Conservative than Jimmy Carter was a Jesuit Priest.
    Please provide factual historic evidence that George Bush Jr. did not do any of the things I mentioned in my previous post. Afterall, that’s what this article is about.
    Voting for Democrats or Republicans will continue this “REPUBLIC’S” slide into the abyss.

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  12. Rasputin says: 12

    Given the stranglehold the establishment Republicans have on the GOP, you can forget seeing a Republican President in this generation or the next one.

    Game over!

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  13. Gomez
    I could answer but I want someone more able than me
    to take you on the answer you want,
    I did contredict you, because I knew you where not right
    bashing the previous PRESIDENT BUSH AND HIS FATHER PRESIDENT GW BUSH
    ARE VERY CLASSY PRESIDENTS, THEY HAVE DONE THEIR BEST AND DO NOT DESERVE THE BASHING YOU GAVE THEM,
    I strongly think you where educate from the propaganda of OBAMA followers WHO PREACH THE STUDENTS THIS LINE OF NEGATIVE BLAME THE OTHER FOR THE FAILURE OF OBAMA
    WHICH LACK THE ABILITY TO BE THE PRESIDENT OF THIS SUPER AMERICA.,
    THAT COULD ANSWER YOUR QUESTION AS A PREAMBLE, TO YOUR DEMAND
    BEST TO YOU

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  14. Gomez says: 14

    @ilovebeeswarzone:
    Well my friend, you make the faulty assumption that Obama is failing. He is not. He is fulfilling the agenda just as he is told to do. Obama does not run anything. He is a puppet just like Clinton was.
    While the Bush’s are much “classier” than Obama, the Bush’s are still liberals. That is a known fact. Reagan chose Bush as his running mate to “balance the ticket” supposedly with a “left wing Republican” to gel the party. If you are old enough to remember when Reagan ran for President, you would know this from the politics of that day, because we all knew G Bush Sr was a liberal. That’s why the NorthEasterners loved Bush.
    Again, I would ask you to go back to those times and read the political histories of the Bush family – including granddaddy Prescott Bush whose bank held deposits for Nazi Germany until they were shut down. You might also investigate George Bush Sr’s CIA career.
    Don’t swallow all the “we are good, they are bad propaganda”. That is exactly how the Democrats and Republicans sucker the American electorate with the false facade that you have a choice. The truth is, it does not matter whether you vote Democrat or Republican, you are going to get the same thing.
    Again, study the history of all this with an open mind and the reality of the two party system will become as clear as day.
    I am a very firm believer that anyone that recieves Federal or State aid in “ANY” form, should not be allowed to vote. Those votes have been bought. But I digress…
    Bottom line is, as long as the Republican party puts up left wing socialist candidates, they will no longer be elected.

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  15. Diane R says: 15

    @Gomez: These links should help viewers understand that Democrats supported the Iraq War and WMD were found –
    WMD – helping misguided Democrats – go down the page until you find the info.
    Reasons – reasons for war (I don’t know if a virus alert still shows, but I don’t believe it’s on this site because it’s just html. I think it’s on some page that has linked to it. If you are very concerned just turn off your JavaScript because it’s aa passive html page.
    The book Left vs. Right also has this information.

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  16. Diane R says: 16

    @Diane R: Two other books – Misunderestimated, by Bill Samon, explains, how the media, especially CNN, twisted the news and withheld news about Saddam (in order to have a foreign office there) and the war in Irag. And distorted Bush’s image.

    Saddam’s Bomb Maker, by one of his generals (can’t find it at the moment, explains all about Saddam’s various forms of WMD and how he had used them.

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  17. Diane R
    THANK YOU,
    I knew someone more knowledgeble on the details would come to
    prove and change his learning, with the reality truth ,
    best to you

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  18. Diane R says: 18

    @ilovebeeswarzone: Thank you.

    One way to help convince low information voters that they are being lied to by Democrats/Progressives/Liberals is to give them a link to Helping Misguided Democrats because it explains the Benghazi Coverup, how Obama is controlling the economy and why, and documents a number of other lies.

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  19. Diane R says: 19

    Trying to fix the link – Helping Misguided Democrats

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  20. Diane R says: 20

    Here is very disturbing news that explains that government employees at the US Supreme Court have been withholding legal briefs/pleadings/legal information from the judges for years. Contact your members of Congress about this, in order to get the new media to respond, which should then reach low information voters.

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  21. Diane R
    YOU PUT YOUR HAND ON A BIGGY THERE,
    It give me the thought that the US SUPREME COURT EMPLOYEES WHERE BOUGHT
    AND COMMIT VERY GRAVE ACTIONS SO TO CHANGE A LAST DECISION
    WHICH SWAY TO THE WRONG SIDE,
    CAN I SAY THE CASE OF OBAMA CARE WHICH WAS CHALLENGED AND DECIDE
    BY ONE CONSERVATIVE SWITCHING TO THE LEFT AT THE LAST DEBATE BECAUSE OF THE EMPLOYEES
    KEEPING THE MOST INCRIMINATING PAPERS, THIS IS BAD ENOUGH TO PUT THEM IN PRISON , AFTER A PUBLIC SCREENING, I can think of how long it would last and would stain the democrates which are known to play their hypocrites dirty trick to cover up corruption in their rank,
    can we see the repercussion of that in 2016,
    bye
    can you send that info to HANNITY? AT FOX NEWS

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  22. he start the sequestration warning the CONGRESS TO APPLY IT,
    NOW HE SAID THAT WAS JUST TO GET WHAT HE WANT AND BLAME THE REPUBLICANS
    FOR SOMETHING HE START HIMSELF BUTNOW SAY IT WAS NOT MEANT TO HAPPEN,
    THE CONGRESS MET HIS BLUFF, NOW OBAMA IS YELLING HIS HEAD OF,
    SOMETHING HE START HIMSELF,
    THE REPUBLICANS WANT HIM TO CUT,HIS SPENDING , HE DOESN’T WANT TO CUT
    HIS OWN EXPANSES,
    THE FIRST CUT SHOULD COME AT THE WHITE HOUSE MINIMUM A THIRD OF THE WHITE HOUSE
    EXPANSE NUMBER ONE,

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  23. john says: 23

    well the top 1% did VERY well under Obama and after all, isn’t that what is really important because you know they are the job creators and stuff like that.

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  24. Poppa_T says: 24

    @Gomez:
    Unfortunately my friend you have hit the proverbial nail on the head. The so called “low information” voter courted and wooed by the Democrat Party is mirrored in the Republican Party by the “misled” voter. Why so many people still believe that the GOP is a party that supports the Constitution and desires smaller government, despite ALL evidence to the contrary, is beyond me.

    We had our chance this last election, we got screwed.

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  25. bwax says: 25

    The answer to Obama is to respond to all his accusations with facts, and substantiate them:
    1. Inflation is significantly higher than during GWB’s term
    2. Gas prices are double
    3. Food is significantly higher
    4. Staples are higher
    5. Going out to eat is at least twice as much
    6. I know of nothing that has not been inflated except my savings
    7. GWB sought and obtained the support of both houses of congress for all our military ventures, and yes they did find WMD’s in Iraq (check out the yellow cake that was shipped to Canada)
    8. Obamacare was passed in the dark of night (figuratively) without anyone having read the bill

    And lastly, Obama has still not released his papers. What is he hiding?

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  26. bwax
    yes to all
    it re-enforce perfectly the fact are there,
    and someone said we have to keep repeating it
    and to each of them also,
    the DEMOCRATS DON’T WANT THEM TO KNOW,
    so they are preventing them from buiding a solid judgement of what and who is right
    in this AMERICA, FOR THEM TO BE ADVISE WHERE IS AND WHO IS
    THEIR BETTER CHANCES TO ATTAIN THE HOPE OF UPSCALING THEIR LIFE CONDITION
    EVEN FROM WELFARE UP, BUT THE OBAMA AGENDA HAS HIS OWN INTEREST AT HEART
    AND IT’S NOT TO HELP AMERICA BEST INTEREST,
    ALL MUST KNOW THAT,
    BYE

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  27. POPPA_T
    IT’S A FACT THAT THE GOP SUPPORT THE CONSTITUTION
    AND SUPPORT SMALLER GOVERNMENT,WHY DO WE FIND PEOPLE
    BEING LED TO BELIEVE IT’S NOT SO, SOMETIMES ON ONE SENTENCE,
    SOMETIMES ON ONE ACTION THE PERSON DISAGREE WITH, AND DECIDE
    TO REJECT THE WHOLE GOP PARTY TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ACTION OF ONE,
    JUST LIKE DEMOLISHING A HOUSE BECAUSE THE LIGHTENING HIT ONE ROOM, DESPITE THE GOOD CONDITION OF THE REST OF THE HOUSE
    BYE

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  28. Richard Wheeler says: 28

    BWAX I hate the price of gas. We rarely go out to dinner.I’ve discovered the 99cent store and shop Walmart. I’m spending less for food than I did 5 years ago.
    Rate of inflation substantially lower than 6 -10 years ago
    Stock market almost double in last 4 years.
    Real estate still down about 25% from 07 highs but up 10-15% in last 12 months.

    Point is, it’s not all bad or good,black or white. It’s not all about Obama.This is a great country and we’ll be back stronger than ever because of our people.

    Semper Fi

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  29. d\Diane R says: 29

    @Richard Wheeler:

    Sorry to tell you Richard but it’s ALL about Obama – read the facts described in bottom row pages on this web site – Obama the Socialist that’s destroying our country).

    Semper Fi

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  30. Richard Wheeler says: 30

    DianeR Does that mean that when the recovery takes place,as it always has and will again,you’re gonna give all the credit to Obama? Not me.
    Semper Fi

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  31. Diane R says: 31

    @Richard Wheeler: Sorry. No recovery in sight Richard.

    Semper Fi

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  32. Richard Wheeler says: 32

    Diane When I was a young stockbroker with Merrill Lynch in 1973 and the dow was under 500 the doom and gloomers assured me the economy would fail.
    In 1980 as a realtor with interest rates at 18% and the market stalled I heard the same mournful wail.
    The dot-com collapse with ensuing real estate sell off brought similar cries in 2000-01.
    I’ve heard the wailing,the gnashing of teeth,the calls for collapse. I hear them again. Don’t believe it.
    I understand this is just my opinion gleaned from 40+ years of watching and experiencing economic cycles.

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  33. Diane R says: 33

    @Richard Wheeler: I’m probably older than you are, with a very strong business and education background. I’m not doom and gloom because I don’t need to be. Since retiring I do research, mainly on politics and economic conditions in America. This time it’s different, much different. Read the economy page on the web site I suggested. There is nothing normal or cyclical in what Obama is doing because free-market capitalism is going away with him in office.

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  34. vince says: 34

    @Richard,: the difference is, in 1973 and in 1980 you had a relatively tiny government. No Obamacare, the Departments of Energy and Education had just been created. The EPA was just over 5 years old. National debt was not larger than GDP. Add the tens of thousands of regulations that have been written into law and in statehouses… and at the county level and you have a body politic trying to pull itself out of the muck but finding that it’s stuck in a quick drying cement. Freedom and limited government, which are the mother and father of prosperity, are rapidly disappearing. In 1973 and 1980 we had an economic mess but the freedom to prosper and recover existed. Today we have an economic mess but the ability to recover is greatly diminished. Without rolling back the progressive agenda, we may never again attain the greatness we enjoyed for much of the 20th century.

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  35. Diane R says: 35

    @vince: Right on, Vince.
    A fiend just sent me the link to futurnamics

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  36. Richard Wheeler says: 36

    FUTURENAMICS Buy gold,store food,arm yourself You say a FIEND sent it to you. Sounds right. Did this guru predict a near double in 3 major indiciis over past 4 years?

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  37. Diane R says: 37

    @Richard Wheeler: Last response.
    Richard, the reason for the bullish stock market is, for the-most-part, companies have stopped growing, stopped buying capital equipment, slowed research to snails pace, laid off everyone they don’t need to just stay in business. In other words they are just coasting. This creates lots of extra cash and created the opportunity to give bigger dividends. The stock market loves this, but it’s not good for the long term economy.

    As for the web site future whatever, I’m interested in content, not advertising.

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  38. Richard Wheeler says: 38

    You sent futurenamics to me. It was sent to you by a FIEND—-Remember?
    The stock market up primarily because of historically low interest rates. It’s a leading indicator that portends an economic recovery.Rates should begin to rise slowly in 3rd or 4th quarter as R.E. prices continue upward.You’ll see unemployment numbers improve in 2014.
    It will be bumpy but IMO the trend is up from here.

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  39. Gomez says: 39

    @Diane R:
    Neither you or Ilovebees has addressed what I stated above. You, instead, are doing exactly what the liberals do and what this article is about. Address each fact head on rather than going on to other irrelevant topics I’m surprised you haven’t called me a racist yet.

    I would suggest you read my entire statements and disprove that George Bush, or any of the others, did not do what I stated.

    And let me correct you. George Bush Jr., Rumsfeld and Cheney all admitted that we did not find caches of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. All three went on to blame poor intelligence gathering as well as relying to heavily on defectors from Iraq.

    The point remains, you get b.s. from Democrats and you get b.s. from Republicans. They play good cop/bad cop to create the allusion that the uninformed idiots have a choice. And idiots from both sides get online to throw out their weapons of mutual disinformation.

    I don’t care what friend sent you what b.s. from some slanted web site with an agenda.

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  40. Diane R says: 40

    @Gomez: Actually Gomez, I agree with you, except for the WMD. If you go to the page I mentioned above you can read the intelligence report yourself. But they didn’t find as many as they all expected (Republicans and and Democrats alike), or as many as Saddam’s own generals thought existed.

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  41. Gomez says: 41

    The United States and the UK asserted that Saddam Hussein still possessed large hidden stockpiles of WMD in 2003, and that he was clandestinely procuring and producing more. Inspections by the UN to resolve the status of unresolved disarmament questions restarted from November 2002 until March 2003, under UN Security Council Resolution 1441 which demanded Saddam give “immediate, unconditional and active cooperation” with UN and IAEA inspections, shortly before his country was attacked.
    During the lead-up to war in March 2003, United Nations weapons inspector Hans Blix had found no stockpiles of WMD and had made significant progress toward resolving open issues of disarmament noting “proactive” but not always the “immediate” Iraqi cooperation as called for by the UNSC. He concluded that it would take “but months” to resolve the key remaining disarmament tasks. The United States asserted this was a breach of Resolution 1441 but failed to convince the UN Security Council to pass a new resolution authorizing the use of force due to lack of evidence. Despite being unable to get a new resolution authorizing force and citing section 3 of the Joint Resolution passed by the U.S. Congress, President George W. asserted peaceful measures could not disarm Iraq of the weapons he alleged it to have and launched a second Gulf War

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  42. Gomez says: 42

    Bush attacked Iraq, without provocation, despite multiple dissenting opinions and questions of integrity at home and abroad, about the underlying intelligence.
    Later U.S.-led inspections agreed that Iraq had earlier abandoned its WMD programs, but asserted Iraq had an intention to pursue those programs if UN sanctions were ever lifted (called an “assumption”).
    To pass blame onto others, Bush later said that the biggest regret of his presidency was “the intelligence failure” in Iraq (Goldenberg, Suzanne (December 2, 2008). “Iraq war my biggest regret, Bush admits”. London: http://www.guardian.co.uk. Retrieved 2 December 2008.), while the Senate Intelligence Committee found in 2008 that his administration “MISREPRESENTED the intelligence and the threat from Iraq”, see: “U.S. Senate Select Committee on Intelligence: Senate Intelligence Committee Unveils Final Phase II Reports on Prewar Iraq Intelligence (Two Bipartisan Reports Detail Administration Misstatements on Prewar Iraq Intelligence, and Inappropriate Intelligence Activities by Pentagon Policy Office )”. Intelligence.senate.gov. Retrieved 2010-08-05.
    I can go on for days with specifics, and with citations rather than leading you to some web site somebody has cobbled together to meet their agenda. I can throw in Cheney and Rumsfeld with words from their own mouths that prove they are just as corrupt and crimminal as Eric Holder and Nancy Pelosi.

    Bottom line remains, as long as you vote for Democrats or Republicans, you are going to continue to live with political ineptitude, corruption, lies, propaganda and errosion of your Constitutional rights – slavery.

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  43. Gomez
    hey did you already forget the 6 thousands people who died in the 9/11 terrorist attack,
    and IRAK WAS THE WORSE DICTATOR, SOMEONE HAD TO GET THE MESSAGE
    you don’t mess with AMERICA,
    PERSONALY I would have wipe the place out of the map,
    but the military found some good people being mistreated by SADDAM,
    AND THEY SPARE THE COUNTRY BUT REMOVE THE SICKO MURDERER HOUSING TERRORIST SCHOOL,
    HE WAS LIKING TO WATCH, AND USE THEM TO HURT THE PEOPLE.

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  44. @Richard Wheeler:
    Richard has accused me of being some sort of economic troglodyte, but he knows no more about where this will all end up than Ben Bernanke. Unless you believe in perpetual motion machines, all the Fed can ever do is push on a string (else printing a quadrillion dollars would be the easiest path to prosperity). I explained a lot of this in my books “Biflationary Depression” and “Going Galt: Financial Survival”, which go into the thermodynamics and information theory of money, which are related through the second law.
    In simple non-thermo terms though, GDP=M*V. That has two independent variables, Money and Velocity, meaning you can get Either inflation AND/Or Deflation in various sectors of the economy when you play monetary and fiscal games. So sure, the stock market can climb like a rocket, but monetary velocity and trust have been crushed, creating a raisin muffin economy that is going nowhere.
    NOTHING has been fixed. So Richard, if you wish to believe in economic unicorns appearing in 2014, well all power to you. But I keep a couple website pages of updated econ data, and I think those numbers show we are in the second leg of the second great depression. http://www.futurnamics.com/slfed.php

    And by the way, I’m not particularly a gold bug, I write about dozens of things people can do to harden their finances against a Biflationary economy (I even follow my own advice). Some gold, some hard assets, some off grid independence, etc. But what do I know, I’m sure you are smarter than I am and can direct us all to your website and the books you’ve written and your biography.

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  45. retire05 says: 45

    @Gomez:

    During the lead-up to war in March 2003, United Nations weapons inspector Hans Blix had found no stockpiles of WMD

    During Hans Blix’s statements on the conditions during the inspections in Iraq, Blix admitted that the Iraqi government often created diversions hindering their ability to seach certain sites on the days that were scheduled. He said that many times they would not be given access to sites, only to be told by the Iraqi government to come back another day.

    Bush attacked Iraq, without provocation, despite multiple dissenting opinions and questions of integrity at home and abroad, about the underlying intelligence.

    This is pure spin. The entire Congress voted on H.R. 114, the Authorization to Use Military Force Against Iraq. Most prominent Democrats voted “aye” including Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, Chuck Schumer and Harry Reid. It was only when John Kerry decided to run for POTUS that the Democrats decided that they didn’t really know what they were voting for and tried to distance themselves from their votes. Ironically, they claimed the man who they thought to be so stupid had tricked them. Yeah, right.

    Despite being unable to get a new resolution authorizing force and citing section 3 of the Joint Resolution passed by the U.S. Congress, President George W. asserted peaceful measures could not disarm Iraq of the weapons he alleged it to have and launched a second Gulf War

    Then President of the United States does not need U.N. permission to declare war. And if he did seek that, it would be an abdication of his duties as POTUS. He needed a Congressional resolution to send military troops into Iraq, and he got it, even if the Democrats want to lie about that now.

    Also, there were reports, and drone videos, of large truck convoys leading from certain sites in Iraq toward the Syrian border, aided by Russian Spetsnez troops. European intel informed us that the Russians were aiding Saddam in transferring his weapony to Syria, and Lebannon. Russia has long had a great interest in Syria, and only recently we have learned two things; Assad claims to have major stockpiles of chemical weapons that some think he will [has] use on his own people and Russia is making loud noises to the U.S. to stay the hell out of Syrian affairs.

    But our intel agencies have always been corrupt to the bone, and there were those who were placed in top positions by the Clinton administration that Bush allowed to remain. Major mistake on Bush’s part. They set out to discredit him, and they pretty much did a fine job. But soldiers don’t lie and our SAPPER troops knew what they found, but were ordered to never speak of it. And the press, in the tank for the Democrats, wanted to help the Democrats destroy Bush.

    I don’t know where you get your information, but you are so far off the mark you are not even in the neighborhood.

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  46. retire05
    I could not have done better than that,
    thank you

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  47. daxton brown
    thank you, I like it, even if some of it it is far out of my limit,
    it’s interesting to capture some bribes and think the rest with my own mind,
    you bring another face of facts on economic downfall,
    we hear OBAMA FREAKING THE PEOPLE, PREDICTING A DOOMSDAY IF HE CAN’T HAVE HIS WAY,
    HE NAMED SO MANY HAPPENING TO COME TO HURT THE GOOD PEOPLE, IF HE DOESN’T GET HIS CANDY,
    IT SOUND LIKE THE DRUG ADICTS WHEN THEY WANT IT BAD, BUT CANNOT AFFORD IT,
    OBAMA WANT HIS CHEW OR THE SEQUESTRATION, HE SAID WAS USED JUST TO GET HIS
    WAY, HE WILL DO ANYTHING, EXCEPT THE RIGHT THING
    best to you

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  48. Gomez says: 48

    @retire05:

    So, according to your comments, anyone that has worn a U.S. military uniform is Holy and seated on thrones next to Jesus Christ, and they cannot lie. I wore the Army uniform. I sat in foxholes with some good people, and with some of the biggest card sharks, con-artists, and those seeking to avoid jail time by joining the military. Your arguement proves that you blindly follow the party line. You drink the Republican kool-aide as much as Michael Moore drinks the Democrat kool-aide.

    You cannot admit that George Bush is just as sinister and deceitful as Barack Obama because it would shatter your dillusional fantasy that you have some kind of control or a choice.

    You state: “This is pure spin. The entire Congress voted on H.R. 114, the Authorization to Use Military Force Against Iraq”, in reply to my statement of, ““Iraq war my biggest regret, Bush admits”… “while the Senate Intelligence Committee found in 2008 that his administration “MISREPRESENTED the intelligence and the threat from Iraq”. That MISREPRESENTED intelligence was used by the Bush Administration to convince Congress to approve the invasion. See, your arguement is completely distorted sir.

    On one hand you talk of the glorious intelligence Bush received about convoys of WMD going to Syria and Lebanon, which would be evidence the weapons were not in Iraq. Later you tell us there were GI reports and drone photos of WMDs found in Iraq. How can that be when the Russian protected convoys had already removed them to Syria and Lebanon?

    Then you state that Bush got bad intelligence because the CiA was filled with Bill Clinton appointees while you neglect to mention most of those Intelligence officers had worked for Bush Sr when he was CIA Director. Wow, you sound just like a Democrat the way you take opposing comments and spin them to make your point.

    Ilovebees… you stated, “hey did you already forget the 6 thousands people who died in the 9/11 terrorist attack”. The last I checked, there were just over 3,400 deaths in that attack not your “6 thousands”. An attack the Bush administration blamed on “AlQuaida”, not Saddam Hussein or Iraq.

    So Bush goes in and attacks a sovereign nation to protect his interests in the middle-East and they bring Obama in to clean up with drone strikes. All under the allusion that they are fighting terrorism under which you give up your Constitutional rights with a smile on your face.

    The reason Republicans will continue to lose is because we Conservatives will no longer vote for the liberal communist RINO’s the Republican party fields. So drink your kool-aide from the Republicrat trough and drown yourselves in your fantasies.

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  49. retire05 says: 49

    @Gomez:

    So, according to your comments, anyone that has worn a U.S. military uniform is Holy and seated on thrones next to Jesus Christ, and they cannot lie.

    Wow! Are you off your meds? Or do you just have a reading comprehension disorder. I specifically named a certain segment of our military. Seems you don’t know who their are and that would bring into question your “I wore the Army uniform” claim.

    That MISREPRESENTED intelligence was used by the Bush Administration to convince Congress to approve the invasion.

    The information I spoke of was never given all the way to the top. Is that how you think the informational flow goes, some lower HUMIT guy just walks into the Pesdients office and say “Hey, Boss, looka what I got.”?

    The last I checked, there were just over 3,400 deaths in that attack not your “6 thousands

    Actually, your number is over by about 400+.

    So Bush goes in and attacks a sovereign nation to protect his interests in the middle-East and they bring Obama in to clean up with drone strikes.

    Tell me, where do you get your info? From Ron Paul, or that greater idiot, Alex Jones.

    You are a Ron Paul groupie, right?

    What interests? All that oil we never got?

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  50. gomez,

    correct my friend. i call it the two wings of the one buzzard, picking at the bones of freedom, liberty and the pursuit of property as well as the american pocketbook.
    today they are “bitter opponents”, tonight they drink, laugh and dine on our dime, together. it’s hard to see the reality if you are either wearing a colon hat to begin with or are a sycophant with no desire to do much but follow and “hope” for “change”. either “party”. interesting choice of word, isn’t it. political “party”…

    semeiotikos (-;

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