13 Feb

Desiline Victor- sorry to burst the happy bubble but…

                                       

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Desiline Victor was one of the props used by Barack Obama in his State of the Union Address. She has been widely celebrated in the press largely because she waited three hours to vote for Obama.

Daily Mail

A 102-year-old woman has been chosen to sit next to Michelle Obama at the annual State of the Union address in Washington.

Desaline Victor, a naturalized U.S citizen from Miami, Florida, waited for more than three hours to cast her ballot for the President on November 6.

Ms Victor will sit in the First Lady’s box with military families, people who are championing immigration reform and victims of gun violence.

Haitian born Ms Victor, who is known as ‘Granny’ in her local community, expressed her surprise at the opportunity.

She said: ‘I know I’m going to sit with the president’s wife. I did not think I would get here. I am proud.’

White House Officials say that Ms Victor represents the minorities and immigrants who stand to benefit from the policies President Obama will discuss in his speech.

About what she said- we’ll be revisiting that.

“White House Officials say that Ms Victor represents the minorities and immigrants who stand to benefit from the policies President Obama will discuss in his speech”

They got that part right.

HuffPo:

WASHINGTON — A determined Florida centenarian who had to make two trips and wait several hours to vote for President Barack Obama last fall joined first lady Michelle Obama for Tuesday’s State of the Union. Her resolve to cast a ballot became a symbol of early voting obstacles in the presidential election.

Desiline Victor, 102, of Miami, endured a weather-delayed flight to Washington on Monday in order to get to town for Obama’s address. She was among the guests seated in the House visitors’ gallery, an opportunity she called “a beautiful thing.”

During his address, Obama cited Victor as an example worth following, saying she was concerned about “whether folks like her would get to have their say.”

Tampa Bay Times:

When she set out to cast her vote last year in North Miami, Desiline Victor had no way of knowing the journey would lead all the way to the White House. Tuesday night, Victor, a 102-year-old Haitian immigrant, sat in the House chamber as a guest of first lady Michelle Obama. Victor voted for the president, but it was not easy. On her first visit to the polls Oct. 28, the first day of early voting, she waited in line for three hours. Poll workers eventually advised her to come back later. She finally cast her vote that evening.

In his speech, President Barack Obama said we should follow Victor’s example.

“When she arrived at her polling place, she was told the wait to vote might be six hours,” Obama said, “And as time ticked by, her concern was not with her tired body or aching feet, but whether folks like her would get to have their say.”

And there’s lots more. The first question that popped into my mind was “What kind of people would make a centenarian wait three hours to vote?” Why wasn’t she immediately granted access to the front of the line?

I guess that what they do in North Miami.

But then I began wondering more about her. Specifically, why is she even here and how is she a US citizen?

Victor was born in 1910 and she is 102 years old. It’s admirable that she is “determined.” The problem is that she came to this country in 1989 at the age of 79. She doesn’t speak English.

“I’m very happy, very proud,” she said, communicating through a translator because she speaks only Haitian Creole. The translator is her godson, Mathieu Pierre Louis, whom she raised as her son. She moved to the United States in 1989 and became a naturalized citizen in 2005.

One of the requirements for citizenship is the ability to speak English:

General Eligibility Requirements

To be eligible for naturalization pursuant to section 319(a) of the INA, an applicant must:

Be 18 or older
Be a permanent resident (green card holder) for at least 3 years immediately preceding the date of filing Form N-400, Application for Naturalization
Have been living in marital union with the U.S. citizen spouse, who has been a U.S. citizen during all of such period, during the 3 years immediately preceding the date of filing the application and up until examination on the application
Have lived within the state, or USCIS district with jurisdiction over the applicant’s place of residence, for at least 3 months prior to the date of filing the application
Have continuous residence in the United States as a lawful permanent resident for at least 3 years immediately preceding the date of filing the application
Reside continuously within the United States from the date of application for naturalization until the time of naturalization
Be physically present in the United States for at least 18 months out of the 3 years immediately preceding the date of filing the application
Be able to read, write, and speak English and have knowledge and an understanding of U.S. history and government (also known as civics)
Be a person of good moral character, attached to the principles of the Constitution of the United States, and well disposed to the good order and happiness of the United States during all relevant periods under the law

“Be able to read, write, and speak English” Hmm. How did she gain citizenship?

And let’s examine why the President says we need immigration reform:

“Real reform means fixing the legal immigration system to cut waiting periods, reduce bureaucracy, and attract the highly-skilled entrepreneurs and engineers that will help create jobs and grow our economy.”

“attract the highly-skilled entrepreneurs and engineers”

Like Desiline Victor, right? How much has she contributed to the system? How much has she paid in income and social security taxes?

We’re going to strengthen the economy by importing 80 year olds with no skills and who cannot speak English and who are wholly dependent on the government for support?

Seriously?

Or are we merely importing elderly dependent future democrat voters who are willing to wait three hours to vote for their “son”?

About DrJohn

DrJohn has been a health care professional for more than 30 years. In addition to clinical practice he has done extensive research and has published widely with over 70 original articles and abstracts in the peer-reviewed literature. DrJohn is well known in his field and has lectured on every continent except for Antarctica. He has been married to the same wonderful lady for over 30 years and has three kids- two sons, both of whom are attorneys and one daughter on her way into the field of education. DrJohn was brought up with the concept that one can do well if one is prepared to work hard but nothing in life is guaranteed. Except for liberals being foolish.
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217 Responses to Desiline Victor- sorry to burst the happy bubble but…

  1. Nan G says: 1

    The Obama’s are learning that not everyone who accepts a seat next to them is a good idea.
    In 2010 Former Sgt. Kimberly Munley sat next to Michelle for the SOTU.
    Munley now believes the White House used her for political advantage in arranging for her to sit next to Michelle Obama during the President’s State of the Union address in 2010.
    She was shot at Fort Hood by Nidal Hasan.

    Shawn Manning was shot six times that day at Fort Hood.
    Two of the bullets remain in his leg and spine, he said.

    “It was no different than an insurgent in Iraq or Afghanistan trying to kill us,” said Manning, who was twice deployed to Iraq and had to retire from the military because of his injuries.

    An Army review board initially classified Manning’s injuries as “combat related,” but that finding was later overruled by higher-ups in the Army.

    Manning says the “workplace violence” designation has cost him almost $70,000 in benefits that would have been available if his injuries were classified as “combat related.”

    “Basically, they’re treating us like I was downtown and I got hit by a car.”

    Members of Congress, including the chairman of the House Homeland Security committee, Rep. Michael McCaul, R-Texas, say they will introduce legislation to force the military and the Obama administration to give the wounded and dead the recognition and honors they deserve.

    Munley says Obama broke the promise he made to her that the victims would be well taken care of.
    So, she’s suing Obama, the Army, the Defense Dept.
    http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/page/fort-hood-complaint-18465082
    More here:
    http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/fort-hood-hero-obama-betrayed-victims/story?id=18465024

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  2. Deb says: 2

    Looks like the requirement could have been wavied:

    The language requirement does not apply to:

    Those who are physically unable to comply due to disability

    Those who are unable to comply due to mental impairment

    Those who are at least 50 years old at the time of filing and lived in the U.S. as a permanent resident for at least 20 years.

    Those who are at least 55 years old and lived in the U.S. as a permanent resident for at least 15 years.

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  3. Aye says: 3
    Be able to read, write, and speak English and have knowledge and an understanding of U.S. history and government (also known as civics)

    “Be able to read, write, and speak English” Hmm. How did she gain citizenship?

    Indeed, I wonder how she accomplished that.

    Dayum!

    The answers to your questions are hiding in plain sight, right within your own linked materials:

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    When Ms. Victor got her citizenship under the GWB second term (2005), she was 94-95 years old (depending upon her birth month), and had resided in the US for 16 years.

    Basic Research 101.

    Now, what was the point of this post again?

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  4. Budvarakbar says: 4

    She musta never heard of the upcoming “Death Panels?”

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  5. drjohn says: 5

    @Aye:

    The point is to question why we are importing entirely unskilled elderly people in need of support for no other reason than they vote for democrats.

    You don’t like the post?

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  6. drjohn says: 6

    @Aye:

    My Mother was a war bride to a combat vet and the Feds busted both her and my father’s asses when she tried to enter the country legally after the war.

    My office manager is another immigrant who found the journey to citizenship far more onerous, being harassed by INS for year after year and following the rules to the letter.

    The distinctions could not be more great. There’ll be another post for you to enjoy.

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  7. drjohn says: 7

    @Deb:

    Those who are unable to comply due to mental impairment

    And don’t we need more of those.

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  8. Tom says: 8

    @drjohn:

    And don’t we need more of those.

    What, you consider you enough?

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  9. drjohn says: 9

    @Tom: Thank you for your thoughts, Tom.

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  10. Aye says: 10

    @drjohn:

    Are you seriously advocating an immigration policy that bases citizenship decisions on age and voting preferences?

    I wonder how many of the immigrants that made this nation great would have been filtered out by this ageist/bigoted attitude.

    Futhermore, you said this:

    Like Desiline Victor, right? How much has she contributed to the system? How much has she paid in income and social security taxes?

    If Ms. Victor didn’t work, she can’t collect SS. If she was married to a man who did contribute, she could be entitled to half those SS benefits.

    It’s the same with Medicare. You cannot get free Part A Medicare coverage if you’ve never worked. You can, however, purchase it if you are also willing to enroll in Part B.

    This leaves her possible drain on the system as only Medicaid. Almost all states put liens against any estate holdings of those on Medicaid to recuperate the costs. Of course, since Obamacare is nothing but a tax hike and expansion of Medicaid on an unprecedented level – making it the third unsustainable entitlement that will sink the ship – this is hardly Ms. Victor’s fault.

    We’re going to strengthen the economy by importing 80 year olds with no skills and who cannot speak English and who are wholly dependent on the government for support?

    You have presented no evidence that she a) was/is unskilled or b) is “wholly dependent on the government for support.”

    Those are nothing more than presumptuous assumptions on your part.

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  11. Aye says: 11

    @drjohn:

    My Mother was a war bride to a combat vet and the Feds busted both her and my father’s asses when she tried to enter the country legally after the war.

    My office manager is another immigrant who found the journey to citizenship far more onerous, being harassed by INS for year after year and following the rules to the letter.

    The distinctions could not be more great.

    And what’s your point? That it’s not a cakewalk to navigate the immigration process? Fair enough.

    But on one hand you’re bitchin’ that Ms. Victor got in because it was too easy while on the other you’re bitchin’ that your ma & pa and office manager had trouble because it was too tough.

    Seems you’re arguing with yourself.

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  12. Tom says: 12

    @drjohn:

    Thank you for your thoughts, Tom.

    Here’s another thought to chew on: how exactly did the Democrats, and specifically the President, “import” Ms. Victor to vote Democrat when, by your own post, she received her citizenship in 2005 and had been in the country since well before that? You stoop to running down and insulting an old lady because you don’t like whom she voted for, and you can’t even do it in a coherent fashion. A mean-spirited epic fail. Congrats.

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  13. Aye says: 13

    @Tom:

    Here’s another thought to chew on: how exactly did the Democrats, and specifically the President, “import” Ms. Victor to vote Democrat when, by your own post, she received her citizenship in 2005 and had been in the country since well before that?

    Shhh… don’t ask questions. Dr J is not good with questions. Or critical thinking. Or research. Or… Oh, hell, I don’t have time to make a complete list. You get the idea.

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  14. BlackBolt says: 14

    DrJohn says:

    “The point is to question why we are importing entirely unskilled elderly people in need of support for no other reason than they vote for democrats.”

    Actually, that wasn’t the point of your question. The point of your question was as follows:

    “Be able to read, write, and speak English” Hmm. How did she gain citizenship?

    You got blindsided by the truth and this made you look like a 14 karat fool. And even when being made to look like a fool, you try to play it off by trying to change the premise of this ridiculous page. No wonder you idiots keep losing elections.

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  15. drjohn says: 15

    @Aye:

    But on one hand you’re bitchin’ that Ms. Victor got in because it was too easy while on the other you’re bitchin’ that your ma & pa and office manager had trouble because it was too tough.

    That’s kind of the point.

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  16. drjohn says: 16

    @Tom: Thanks again, Tom.

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  17. Aye
    what skills do you think she could have
    to benefit AMERICA?, APART FROM VOTING FOR OBAMA
    WHICH DO NOT BENEFIT AMERICA,

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  18. Tom says: 18

    @Aye:

    Shhh… don’t ask questions. Dr J is not good with questions. Or critical thinking. Or research. Or… Oh, hell, I don’t have time to make a complete list. You get the idea.

    :)
    @drjohn:

    Thanks again, Tom.

    My pleasure.

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  19. Aye says: 19

    @drjohn:

    That’s kind of the point.

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    Exit Question: Was anything significant happening in Haiti during the late 80′s that might have led Ms. Victor to want to come to the US?

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  20. drjohn says: 20

    @ilovebeeswarzone:

    Well, Bees, Obama said it himself:

    “ highly-skilled entrepreneurs and engineers that will help create jobs and grow our economy.”

    Just like Mrs. Victor.

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  21. drjohn says: 21

    @Aye:

    You said that, not me. I want to know why it is a simple task for her while not for my parents and not for my office manager- who were and are productive.

    In fact, my office manager had to prove means of support and have the potential for employment.

    She and Mrs. Victor entered the country one year apart.

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  22. IT IS STRANGE THAT OBAMA IS TAKING SIDES OF THE HASSAN TERRORIST,
    AND LEAVE OUT THE NEED FOR DUE BENEFITS TO THE BRAVES WHO WHERE THERE
    BEING SHOT BY THAT TERRORIST WHO ALSO WAS TRYING TO CONFUSE THE SICK SOLDIERS HOSPITALIZE WHERE HE WAS A SO CALLED PSYCHIATRIST PUSHING HIS MUSLIM FAITH INSTEAD OF HELPING THEM AND DO HIS JOB,
    OBAMA HAS DONE THAT QUITE A FEW TIMES, TAKING THE SIDE OF THE OTHER ARRESTED BY THE POLICE, INSTEAD OF BEING ON THE SIDE OF THE LAW OFFICER,
    TAKE GOOD NOTE OF IT.

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  23. bburris says: 23

    @Aye:

    Perhaps the point is, certainly amongst the hundreds or even thousands of legal immigrants that had difficulty voting, was there none that had no questions about their eligibility? Obama has a history of issues with the people he uses as props; the woman whose father was denied insurance coverage and died (that was later found to have gotten coverage for his illness and only died 4 years later), the poor unemployed lady that needed benefits extended (who was later shown to have been fired for insurance fraud) and most recently, the cop that came to the defense of the Ft Hood shooters that now reveals how Obama used and discarded that tragedy.

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  24. retire05 says: 24

    Desaline Victor, a naturalized U.S citizen from Miami, Florida, waited for more than three hours to cast her ballot for the President on November 6.

    And exactly why would she do that when she had two other options: early voting, which starts in Florida ten days before the general election day and ends three days before the general election day and the ability to do a mail-in ballot which she is entitled to due to her age.

    And why would anyone question the lady? It’s not like Obama hasn’t used other human props, making claims about them, that turned out to be completely bogus. Anyone remember Miss Henrietta who claimed, at a Obama campaign rally, that she was living out of her son’s truck because she had lost her home in Florida, only to have it revealed that Ms. Henrietta still owned a number of properties in Florida, that she managed to pay property taxes on?

    One other thing that everyone seems to forget; immigration laws, for any nation, are supposed to benefit the host nation, not the immigrant.

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  25. Aye says: 25

    @bburris:

    I’m perfectly fine with inquiries being made into the props used in association with Obie’s speechifying. There have certainly been issues with those put into play for such purposes in prior instances.

    Of course, that’s not what drj is engaged in here.

    Instead, he’s tossed yet another poorly researched yellow journalism foray against the wall hoping he could get something to stick.

    He attempted to find something wrong with Ms. Victor’s story, and failed swimmingly.

    Then, when called out on his gross factual inaccuracies and exclusions, he wanted to by play Whack-a-Weasel and shift the premises of the argument .

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  26. Aye says: 26

    @drjohn:

    Was anything significant happening in Haiti during the late 80′s that might have led Ms. Victor to want to come to the US?

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  27. Aye says: 27

    @retire05:

    One other thing that everyone seems to forget; immigration laws, for any nation, are supposed to benefit the host nation, not the immigrant.

    So, allowing a person to immigrate based on political or humanitarian grounds is not something that is a standard of immigration law and policy?

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  28. drjohn says: 28

    I see that we’re not going to agree, Aye.

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  29. drjohn says: 29

    @Aye:

    Was anything significant happening in Haiti during the late 80′s that might have led Ms. Victor to want to come to the US?

    I guess we ought to import all those 80 year old Syrians too. To make you happy.

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  30. bburris says: 30

    @Aye:

    No, it was not a “poorly researched yellow journalism foray”. It was a statement of fact that, once again, from the (one would be led to believe) thousands of poor, immigrant souls, doing all they can to make a new life in the New World, struggling against the obstacles set against them, Obama could have found one that met the criteria of what it is, exactly, we want immigration for. Sure, there is a waiver that if you are already up in years, you needn’t bother with learning the language, either written or spoken, or learn and understand our system of government. But, is that what Obama is pressing for? Immigration of every warm body that can find a better place to crash here? That’s not what he said.

    That’s what I got from the offering, anyway. Once again, Obama, who was famously not vetted very well for his low-level job of leading the free world, failed to vet another of the human chess pieces he chose to “make his point”, relying instead on no one looking into the matter. As far as getting away with it, he is mostly correct.

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  31. retire05 says: 31

    If Ms. Victor didn’t work, she can’t collect SS. If she was married to a man who did contribute, she could be entitled to half those SS benefits.

    Ah, but she is eligible for SSSI according to a law passed in 1980 that specifically mentions immigrants from Haiti.

    So, allowing a person to immigrate based on political or humanitarian grounds is not something that is a standard of immigration law and policy?

    Well then, let’s just let anyone from Sierra Leone, Vietnam, North Korea, Bosnia, Mexico, Somalia and Sudan come in on “political or humanitarian grounds.” We could almost double our population in one act just from those war-torn, violent nations. And think how Obama could increase the dependency rolls. That worked out so well with the Bosnians. Nevermind that cities like St. Louis now have a real gang problem among Bosnian young men.

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  32. Dink Newcomb says: 32

    @Aye: “Exit Question: Was anything significant happening in Haiti during the late 80′s that might have led Ms. Victor to want to come to the US?”

    Nothing but the usual negroes killin’ OTHER negroes, which let her fit right in to south florida! Heck, she could have run for MAYOR of Detroit!

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  33. Aye says: 33

    @bburris:

    No, it was not a “poorly researched yellow journalism foray”

    …failed to vet another of the human chess pieces he chose to “make his point”, relying instead on no one looking into the matter.

    Really? That’s what you got out of the post and ensuing commentary?

    Let’s back up a bit and examine what we have here: First the author questioned Ms. Victor’s ability to gain citizenship because she doesn’t speak English. Then he went on to complain that, in his estimation, Ms. Victor had/has “no skills” and is “wholly dependent on the government for support.”

    The foundational basis for both of those claims went up in smoke rather quickly when a little bit of scrutiny was focused on them. Turns out Ms. Victor fell under an exception to the language requirement and SocSec/Medicare eligibility requirements prohibit Ms. Victor from being “wholly dependent” on government support.

    All of that information was, of course, readily available to anyone with a minimal level of effort.

    That’s irrefutable evidence that this post was poorly researched. Either that, or the author deliberately chose to exclude pertinent information hoping that no one would look into the matter of his claims. This is not the first time we’ve seen that from this author.

    After torching the fluff and bluster of the authors’ complaints, all that is left his ageism and bigotry regarding the issue of immigration.

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  34. Budvarakbar says: 34

    @retire05: Ah — 1980 — the plop thickens — thank ya jimmah cahtah – you dickhead.

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  35. retire05 says: 35

    Turns out Ms. Victor fell under an exception to the language requirement and SocSec/Medicare eligibility requirements prohibit Ms. Victor from being “wholly dependent” on government support.

    Nevermind that Ms. Victor is eligible for SSSI benefits under the 1980 law, as well as Medicare, due to her income, depending on Miami, Florida benefits, she would also be eligible for public housing and food stamps, subsidized utilities and an “Obama” phone.

    Let me see; monthly check, free medical insurance, housing, food, utilities and a phone. What else does she need to be “wholly dependent on government support?”

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  36. Aye says: 36

    @retire05:
    @retire05:

    Which law would that be?

    Your posts are tall on claims yet strangely short on any citations.

    Also, please cite for us the grounds by which Ms. Victor would be eligible for Medicare without contribution.

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  37. S G Thomas says: 37

    @Aye:

    There are at least 45 apartments in only one building here occupied by elderly Russian/Muslim speaking immigrants who, somehow, on SSI, drip with 24 karat gold in their ears and around their necks… get the best of medical care from their imported rip-off Russian/Muslim doctors, have been able to live exceptionally well … and I only used ONE building in ONE city as an example. This is while hundreds of Veterenss and Americans are left homeless… surviving out of garbage cans.

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  38. Aye says: 38

    @S G Thomas:

    And your point is what exactly as it relates to this discussion?

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  39. S G Thomas
    I just open my laptop and get your comment,
    I will double your comment with what I just heard on FOX AND SEEN
    THAT 93 WORLD WAR VETERAN, WHO IS GIVEN TROUBLE
    BY THE VETERAN AFFAIR STUPIDLY DEMANDING A PROOF OF
    HIS UNABLE TO WORK ABILITY AT 93? CAN YOU BELIEVE?
    SHAME ON THE VETERAN AFFAIRS, THEY WHERE ASK AND ANSWER THEY HAVE A LOT OF WORK,
    WHAT IS THIS FOR EXCUSE
    THEY JUST HAVE TO MOVE THEIR BUTT, OR GET SOME EYE GLASS TO READ THE DEMAND
    OF THAT 93 YEAR OLD FOR WHAT HE WANT, AS FAST AS YESTERDAY,
    THIS IS UNACCEPTEBLE TO SEE IT ON THE NEWS AND A SHAME FOR YOU WHO WORK THERE AND KEEP THAT MAN STALLING AND WORRY AND CONCERNED,
    WHAT IS YOUR JOB DO YOU KNOW IT?
    IT’S TO HELP THE VETERANS AND TO USE YOUR BRAIN OR GET OF THE JOB AND SOMEONE ELSE
    WILL DO IT BETTER,
    CHECK IT UP NOW, WE WILL KEEP AN EYE ON YOU FOR NOW ON.

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  40. Paul says: 40

    WOW!! Jumping through the hoops is what makes it worth being in the circus, you dumb asses! They just don’t allow just any CLOWN in!

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  41. Paul
    hi, can you expand it a bit, and tell us who you target here,
    so we can understand which side your on,
    bye

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  42. BlackBolt
    if you think you can do better than our REGULAR AUTHOR, WHO BRING A LOT IN HIS POST FOR DISCUSSION NOT FOR INSULT,
    CREATE YOUR OWN POST INSTEAD OF JUDGING THE AUTHOR
    SO ARROGANTLY, WHERE’S YOUR MANNERS?

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  43. retire05 says: 43

    @Aye:

    Which law would that be?

    What? You mean tbere is actually something the all-knowing Aye doesn’t know?

    please cite for us the grounds by which Ms. Victor would be eligible for Medicare without contribution.

    http://www.ssa.gov/OP_Home/handbook/handbook.21/handbook-2115.html

    I don’t think anyone has stated when she came to the U.S. Perhaps you can provide us with that info.

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  44. Rus Huegi says: 44

    To Aye:
    If you enter the country as a foreigner and are over 65 years old, you immediately qualify for SSI payments from the US Government, without your speaking English or having worked in the US a single day!

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  45. Aye says: 45

    @retire05:

    You mean tbere is actually something the all-knowing Aye doesn’t know?

    Of course not. Don’t be silly.

    I don’t think anyone has stated when she came to the U.S. Perhaps you can provide us with that info.

    Well, yes, I could because I already know the answer. If you want to find out, look it up.

    As to the link you posted, there’s nothing in there that supports your idea the Ms. Victor is eligible for SSI or non-contributory Medicare.

    Care to try again?

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  46. Aye says: 46

    @Rus Huegi:

    If you enter the country as a foreigner and are over 65 years old, you immediately qualify for SSI payments from the US Government

    Completely false.

    If an alien doesn’t work and pay into the SocSec system they get nothing. At most, a non-participatory alien could receive half benefits via a qualified spouse.

    Thanks for stopping by though.

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  47. bburris says: 47

    @Aye:
    ” left his ageism and bigotry regarding the issue of immigration.” That sort of smacks of the last gasp of a failed argument. It wasn’t dr’s fault the lady is black and aged. That was Obama’s choice for a suitable prop. Again, while he failed to detect, either intentionally or unintentionally, the fact that sticks out to me is how Obama, time and time again, needs to use people to drive home his social justice points, yet can never find a real, true-blue example. I say again, if there are so many that have honestly and legally become citizens (we don’t know how she immigrated, do we?) and endured the wait to do their civic duty, can’t one be found? Did it have to be a black, elderly woman? Were there no Hispanics, Asians or even Europeans to be found? No, the point was race and gender; not immigration and voting.

    And, as a representative of the ideal of what we want to make immigration easier for, what are her qualifications? We obviously have plenty of lazy, dependent, non-skilled (and abhorrent to become skilled) bodies around the nation (not at all a description of my opinion of Ms. Victor); why would we want to make it easier for more of them to immigrate? What we want, and what Obama said his goal was, is for skilled contributors to immigrate; how does Ms. Victor fit that bill? Perhaps she does; perhaps she is a nuclear physicist with the key to cold fusion… maybe you know this. But it appears she is just another naturalized citizen; nothing bad in that, but not what loosening the requirements for immigration is aimed at.

    I don’t know the quality of the full catalogue of drjohn’s work; but his message here was on the mark; another propaganda show that is not what it is cracked up to be. Obama makes such a lame effort to even fool the masses because he knows he will get away with it… or someone will step up to excuse it away.

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  48. Aye says: 48

    @bburris:

    ” left his ageism and bigotry regarding the issue of immigration.” That sort of smacks of the last gasp of a failed argument. It wasn’t dr’s fault the lady is black and aged.

    No, it’s actually an observation derived from a straightforward reading of the author’s own words:

    The point is to question why we are importing entirely unskilled elderly people in need of support for no other reason than they vote for democrats.

    And, of course, we have this observation from the author regarding immigration as well:

    Send them back. Send them all back.

    So, once again, if we scrutinize the authors’ words and the expressed attitudes one is led to the only logical conclusion.

    I don’t know the quality of the full catalogue of drjohn’s work; but his message here was on the mark

    Actually no, as with so very many other instances in the past, the author’s message here was far off the mark.

    He attempted to establish two different premises of argument and failed pathetically because both collapsed under the mildest scrutiny.

    He has once again, whether intentionally or unintentionally, succeeded in personifying the most unflattering stereotypical views that Conservatives are so very often accused of having.

    Certainly nothing remotely worthy of pride or embrace.

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  49. bburris
    YES, I like your explanation you’re right on,
    and what is important for OBAMA to think of and remember always,
    is the hightechs brains are already here to go get not in foreign land,
    was OBAMA in this AMERICA ? when the ASTRONAUTS went first on the MOON,
    yes right in AMERICA, THOSE 23 MILLION OUT OF WORK MUST BE THE FIRST TO WORK
    AND AFTER THEY ALL FIND WORK
    THEN YOU THINK IMMIGRATION LAWS TO BE FAIRLY APPLY TO THOSE ALREADY HERE,
    BUT THE PRIORITY IS TO AMERICANS FIRST FELONS INCLUDED THEY ARE NOT ALL DANGEROUS,
    OUT OF 88.8 THOUSANDS , IT IS ONLY AN IDIOT TO THINK THEY ARE ALL THE SAME,
    SOME HAVE MASTER DEGREES ENOUGH TO TAKE ON THE MOON FLIGHT.

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  50. Rus Huegi says: 50

    @Aye
    Please be informed that SSI stands for Supplemental Security Income, which is an entirely separate program from the common Social Security System. I stand by my earlier comment that you can get government assistance even if you just got off the boat (if over 65).
    http://www.ssa.gov/pubs/11015.html#a0=3

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