Billions of rounds of hollow points, black helicopters- what does it all mean?

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At IBD Andrew Malcolm asks the question:

Why are the feds loading up on so much ammo?

In a puzzling, unexplained development, the Obama administration has been buying and storing vast amounts of ammunition in recent months, with the Department of Homeland Security just placing another order for an additional 21.6 million rounds.

Several other agencies of the federal government also began buying large quantities of bullets last year. The Social Security Administration, for instance, not normally considered on the frontlines of anything but dealing with seniors, explained that its purchase of millions of rounds was for special agents’ required quarterly weapons qualifications. They must be pretty poor shots.

But DHS has been silent about its need for numerous orders of bullets in the multiple millions. Indeed, Examiner writer Ryan Keller points out Janet Napolitano’s agency illegally redacted information from some ammunition solicitation forms following media inquiries.

This administration did something illegal? Shocking.

DHS could shoot us all- with hollow points:

According to one estimate, just since last spring DHS has stockpiled more than 1.6 billion bullets, mainly .40 caliber and 9mm. That’s sufficient firepower to shoot every American about five times. Including illegal immigrants.

To provide some perspective, experts estimate that at the peak of the Iraq war American troops were firing around 5.5 million rounds per month. At that rate, DHS is armed now for a 24-year Iraq war.

Question is, against whom?

Did Obama hint at why in 2008?

“We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.”

It’s not just this either. Events start to add up:

Black helicopters appear in US cities:

Miami

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1BhRNfY1lo[/youtube]

MIAMI (CBSMiami) – Some members of the U.S. military were busy in Miami Thursday night as they conducted exercises in Downtown Miami.

CBS4 captured video of Black Hawk helicopters flying over the city as part of a joint military training exercise.

Thursday night’s training took place near the Stephen P. Clark Center in Miami and a nearby Metrorail station where troops could be seen rappelling from the military choppers onto the Metrorail station platform.

Houston

HOUSTON (KTRK) — The sight of Army helicopters and the sound of gunfire created a lot of concern Monday afternoon in one Houston neighborhood.

We received a lot of phones calls, Tweets and Facebook posts from worried neighbors, wondering what was going on.

SkyEye 13 HD was over the south side where at first look, it appeared there was a massive SWAT scene happening.

With military helicopters flying above her southeast Houston neighborhood, Frances Jerrals didn’t know what to think.

“When you see this, you think the worst. When you hear this, you think the worst,” Jerrals said.

And so, she passed along her concern.

“She told me ‘don’t come home it sounds like we’re in a war zone. Guns, shooting, helicopters flying around the house,'” Isaac Robertson Jr. said.

The U.S. Army along with other agencies took over the old Carnegie Vanguard High School near Scott and Airport. There were armed men in fatigues, plenty of weapons and what many thought were real live rounds

“I felt like I was in a warzone.” Jerrals said. “It was nonstop. I was terrified.”

Gunfire? In a residential neighborhood? Yes, blanks, but without warning?

We had Janet Napolitano warning us of domestic terrorists such as US military veterans, pro-life groups and those opposing illegal immigration.

Mike German, policy counsel for the American Civil Liberties Union and a former FBI agent, said his organization was concerned about law enforcement agencies’ focus on radicalization, regardless of the specific ideology.

“Certainly, the right-wing report is focused far too much on rhetoric and things people say and things people think rather than on criminal activity and the people involved in criminal activity,” he said. “There is plenty of crime out there for federal, state and local law enforcement to worry about. They don’t need to invent threats that they have no factual basis for supporting.”

Right wing report. That would let Bill Ayers and the Weathermen slide as they were left wingers. And it would also omit these lovely people as Napolitano only concerns herself with right wing terrorists and apparently not those from the left:

The privileged daughter of a prominent city doctor, and her boyfriend — a Harvard grad and Occupy Wall Street activist — have been busted for allegedly having a cache of weapons and a bombmaking explosive in their Greenwich Village apartment.

Morgan Gliedman — who is nine-months pregnant — and her baby daddy, Aaron Greene, 31, also had instructions on making bombs, including a stack of papers with a cover sheet titled, “The Terrorist Encyclopedia,’’ sources told The Post yesterday.

People who know Greene say his political views are “extreme,” the sources said.

LiveLeak has composed a list of left wing terrorists

Leo Burt- Bombed Colleges, Part of Left Wing Terrorist Group ‘New Years Eve Gang’.

Jeff Jones – Bombed Pentagon, Killed Police, Current CEO of Appolo Alliance, An eco group funded by Obama

Berandine Dorn – Bombed Petnagon, Killed Police, Obamas friend, baby sat Obamas Kids.

Bill Ayers – Bombed Pentagon, Killed Police, Obamas Best Friend, Wrote Obamas Book.

Amy Bishop- college professor obsessed with Obama, shot 6 people.

Jared Loughter – killed 6 year old girl and shot gabby giffords

James holmes – Batman shooter

John Patrick Bedell -Pentagon shooter

Floyd Lee Corkins – Chick Fil A Shooter

David Guy McKay – Plotted to bomb the Pentagon, caught first

Bradley Neil Crowder – Plotted to bomb the Pentagon, caught first

Antonio Martinez – Bombed a Recruiting Station

Una Bomber – Another left wing college professor psychopath

James W. Von Brunn – Holocaust Museum Shooter

Andrew Joseph Stack III – Bush Hating Leftist Who Flew His airplane into IRS building 9/11 style

Ryan Komosinski – Occupy Wall Street, Caught in BOmb Plot.

Brandon Baxter -Occupy Wall Street Protester Caught Planning to Blow Up Bridges

Douglas Wright – Occupy Wall Street Protester Caught Planning to Blow Up Bridges

Anthony Hayne -Occupy Wall Street Protester Caught Planning to Blow Up Bridges

Connor C. Stevens- Occupy Wall Street Protester Caught Planning to Blow Up Bridges

Joshua S. Stafford -Occupy Wall Street Protester Caught Planning to Blow Up Bridges

I don’t believe I have ever heard Napolitano speak of left wing terrorists.

And then this claim (something I have been reluctant to touch) by Jim Garrow appeared in the Examiner:

“I have just been informed by a former senior military leader that Obama is using a new “litmus test” in determining who will stay and who must go in his military leaders. Get ready to explode folks. “The new litmus test of leadership in the military is if they will fire on US citizens or not.” Those who will not are being removed.

Alone it sounds conspiratorial but when joined by the other events, well, we need some answers.

Why do does DHS need all those hollow points?

Why is there only right wing terrorism?

Exactly what is going on? Maybe it’s all entirely innocent. And maybe you can keep your health care plan and your doctor too.

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@DrJohn:

@DrJohn:

Yet more ducking, dodging, and straw man constructing as you vigorously avoid addressing the mountain of information that rebuts your feverish mumblings.

Why so hesitant to confront the 800 lb gorilla?

@DrJohn:

I lied?

Did I say you lied? Or is that yet another of your transparently desperate straw man efforts to avoid the 800 lb gorilla?

@DrJohn:

You posted the video.

Indeed I did.

The question, however, was: “Did I say you lied?”

The gorilla awaits you.

@Wordsmith: What I was after was the readiness of Napolitano and DHS to single vets out as potential threats,like the militia movement,the pro-life factions and fundamentalist religious groups, in their published literature.It is a campaign to divide the population along as many lines as possible.Blanket indictments of groups at the opposite end of the political population is not a new technique. Very good reference on the soft point bullets although it should be noted that the Royal Army was slow to adopt the SPs and was in part schooled in their use and the modern use of the rifle by the Boers.

Nice slam-dunk, Dr.!

This thread has been put to bed.

Whew. What a bunch of Soros crappola.

Jim Griffin
I have no doubt about it happening,
the link reenforce my suspicions from quite a while, because
I’m open to every bits which get in the cyber,
but to read it is even more dangerous than one have and can imagine,
my heart bleed for what AMERICA WILL GO THROUGH,
I want to depend on THE PEOPLE TO LOSE THEIR TOLERANCE AND BE READY ON ALL THE MINUTES DETAILS SO TO SURVIVE AND HELP AMERICA SURVIVE,
THANK YOU FOR THE LINK, I have read some other from same source, but never so on a grand scale
like this one which will be help by international forces he said and I would take it seriously if we think about the crexcent closing slowly but surely into an obama circle logo,
that mean total invasion coup, he was saying a couple of years for time, it make it also possible because it will be on his term now, and if that hapen he will proclaime himself for life ruler,

@Greg: Don’t know that HPs are better target rounds.That would imply that wadcutters and semi-wadcutters designed for competitive pistol use are obsolete and that is certainly not true. Modern HPs are designed as you note to penetrate and shed energy and most will do so down to a fairly low muzzle velocity. Cost is a factor to civilians because cast lead or plated lead bullets are usually cheaper than jacketed bullets.At the volumes being purchased that may not be the case. Some shooters will not use cast lead in their pistols because of the barrel cleaning needed to remove lead from the rifling. As to training muscle memory for combat shooting, I believe the Army Air Corps trained gunners to swing and lead targets with A5 Browning and Rem Model 11 12 gauge shotguns in WWll.

@Greg: I’m going to take exception to the use of the often misused phrase ‘stopping power’. Most handguns will inflict damage but won’t stop, as in knock down an attacker. Now if you want to use that term with a 12 gauge and 00 buck thats fine, or a 30-06 or a howitzer I’m good with it. Using the phrase ‘stopping power’ and calling a .226/5.62 a high power round or the term ‘assault rifle’, gets me a bit irritated.

about the ASTEROID, I ‘m changing my previous comment,
we must try hard to capture it,
and we will become the richest people on EARTH,
THE ASTEROID ARE FULL OF DIAMONDS AND SILVER AND COPPER,
HOW’S THAT ?
now how can we do it? anybody has an idea?

@UpChuck.Liberals:
I have a Ruger .45 ACP with gold dot hollow points. Better known as “one and done.” A center mass shot will stop a full grown man and he will not be getting back up. That’s stopping power.

@ilovebeeswarzone:
No need to look behind the rancor Ms. Bees. The argument is the same, would you rather be ruled by the right or ruled by the left. I reject the premise, I don’t wish to be ruled.

Aqua
you said it well,
but I don’t think the CONSERVATIVES WOULD RULE, IF IN POWER,
because of their values of freedom lovers for all,
they have spell out their tolerance to the no limit, and their respect for life itself,
and their beliefs in a power above them where wisdom to be a leader is seek humbly,
I did not see it on this leadership actions to impose, to dominate, to stop the creativity from becoming concrete, and to rule the AMERICANS PROUD FROM THEIR LEGACY OF HELPING THE WORLD TO GET RID OF SAME LEADERS AS YOU HAVE NOW ALLOWED TO RISE AND DESTROY THIS AMERICAN MENTALITY OF GOODNESS, NO WHERE TO BE FOUND,
BECAUSE OBAMA CANNOT STAND TO BE REMINDED OF IT AND THAT HE
IS NOT MADE OF THE SAME CLAY,
HE HAS CHOSEN HIS FRIENDS SOMEWHERE ELSE, WITH
A DIFFERENT MINDSET HE PREFER, AND LEFT THE AMERICANS
BEHIND TO STRUGGLE UNDER HIS ENTITLEMENTS AND RULES AND REGULATION LIKE A COMMUNIST LEADERSHIP
WHERE SOCIALIST IS KING AS OPPOSE TO THE SEARCH FOR SUCCESS AND HAPPYNESS IN GOD’S RULES ONLY.
that ‘s why you found “RANCOR” IT PROVED IT, HOW THE PEOPLE EXPRESS THEMSELVES

@ilovebeeswarzone:

but I don’t think the CONSERVATIVES WOULD RULE, IF IN POWER

Fair enough, let’s look at the last “Conservative” administration. Although I think George Bush is an honorable man, here are some blows to freedom.
Medicare Part D – Unfunded, adding to our entitlement troubles
The Patriot Act
Homeland Security
TSA
TARP – yes TARP was signed by Bush. While it was successful, it was still a slap to the free market.
The FCC under Bush raised its punitive fines, wasted money on an “investigation” of Janet Jackson’s breast, and pressured Clear Channel to drop the Howard Stern Show.
Campaign Finance Reform was signed by Bush
Free Speech Zones – enacted by Bush

It doesn’t matter how good ones intentions are, being ruled is still being ruled. The federal government has no business, NO BUSINESS in most of what it does.
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

@Aqua:

I would just as soon Bush let all the banks fail and then the bankers who made the mess at discount rates to make the money back.

@Jim Griffin:

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/52923

And “Aye” complains?

From your link:

At that time, I was shown a white, three-ring binder with Obama’s circular campaign logo imprinted on the outside of the binder with the name “Cyber-Warriors for Obama” printed in blue across the top. Inside were the names and e-mail addresses of 3,575 “cyber assets,” or “warriors,” listed in alphabetical order under about a dozen or so “team leaders.”

So we can conclude from this that Obama has “binders full of cyber-warriors”? 😀

Word “binders full of cyber-warriors” That’s funny.

Aqua
hi,
Your last comment , of what you say PRESIDENT BUSH DID AS TO BE A RULER,
it reminded me of when we had MISSY COMMENTING AND VERY INFORMED IN THE BUSH TIME
AS A PRESIDENT,
AND I REMEMBERED HER WORDS ON THE BUSH DEFENSE ABOUT ALMOST THE SAME COMMENT TARGETING HIM,
THE DEMOCRATES AT THAT TIME WHERE SKENIVING THEIR BILLS UNDER THE PILE OF THE BUSH PILE, THEY WHERE PASSING THEIR BILLS BEHIND HIS BACK,
MISSY WAS THE MOST CREDIBLE PERSON YOU CAN MEET, SHE HAD WORK THERE AND NOTICE THAT
FRAUDDULENT WAY OF THE DEMOCRATES, AND WHEN THE PERSON HERE MENTION AND ACCUSE BUSH OF THOSE VERY THING YOU MENTION, SHE TOLD WHAT THEY WHERE DOING,
PLUS YOU REMEMBER HOW OBAMA AND DEMOCRATES DEMONIZE BUSH CONSTANTLY EVEN ACCUSED HIM OF BEING GUILTY OF THEIR OWN FAILURE, THEY REPEATED IT SO MANY TIME, THEY HAD EVERYONE HATING BUSH, I mean hating with a vengeance, and it served obama to win his first election ON THE THEME , HATE BUSH,
SO what you mentioned is most likely the work of DEMOCRATES ACTING TO HURT BUSH,
AND PREPARING THEIR ELECTION COMING, WITH THOSE NEGATIVES THEMES,
THE RACIST CARD, THE HATE BUSH CARD , THE DIVIDE OF POOR AND RICH CARD,
THE WOMAN ABORTION CARD, THE GAI CARD, AND THE REPUBLICAN DEMOLITION CARD,
AS WELL AS THE CONGRESS BLAME CARD, DID I FORGET SOME, YES I’AM SURE,
THERE YOU HAVE THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STORY.

WOOPS THE CABIN WAS ENGULFE IN FLAMES AS EXPLOSION HAPPENED INSIDE,
THEY STILL DON’T KNOW WHAT HAPPEN INSIDE,
SMOKE POURING FROM THE CABIN, THE JOURNALIST GIVE A HINT THAT
THE KILLER IS DEAD BUT NOT SURE, THEY BELIEVE HE WAS INSIDE
BUT THE FIRE IS DESTROYING THE CABIN, THE CAPTAIN DON’T WANT TO SEND HIS GUYS
IN THERE YET, UNTIL THE FIRE IS DONE , THE CRIMINAL HAS SHOT THE TWO LAST OFFICERS AND ONE DIED AND THE OTHER IS CRITICAL,

@drjohn: #123
I would think that the worst that would have happened for the general public if congress let the big banks fail, is that the people would just have to find another bank. I’m guessing the big banks would have sued congress and won, since congress forced them to make the low interest loans to people who never should have been allowed to get the loans. congress was just protecting themselves.

Whenever I have moved, one of the first things I ask is, “Where is the smallest bank in the area?” The smaller banks usually have all of the features the big banks have, without coming up with ways to charge you more for stuff. If a big bank can charge their customers $1 more per month, and they have 10,000 customers, that’s an extra $120,000 per year for them, and they are constantly trying to find new ways to charge you. A lot of times you don’t know they are charging you until you catch it on your statement. I have never had a problem with any of my smaller banks.

@ilovebeeswarzone:

SO what you mentioned is most likely the work of DEMOCRATES ACTING TO HURT BUSH

No ma’am. Every program I mentioned was proposed by the Bush administration. Not a single one was proposed by a democrat. Bush asked for these programs, his administration pushed for them to be passed in the House and the Senate, and Bush happily signed them.
Now, the Department of Homeland Security and the Patriot Act were actually things Clinton wanted, but they were struck down by the republican House. But after 9/11, those same people couldn’t wait to give up our liberties. Granted, a huge majority of the country agreed because emotions were pretty high.
And I left out “No Child Left Behind.” A law Bush worked on with Teddy Kennedy. Teddy backed off when Bush didn’t fund it though. It was passed anyway and the burden of financing it was left to the States. How’s that for liberty?

Aqua
with all due respect,
this is nothing compare with what this LEADERSHIP IS INFRINGING IN LIBERTY, AND LOOK WHAT THEY ARE DOING TO FARMERS, THEY ARE INTIMIDATING THEM AND EVEN GOING FURTHER WITH ALL THEIR AGENCIES OF THUGS MENTALITY,
AND THEY UNIONIZE THE TSA, THEY JUST COULD HAVE ELIMINATE IT WHEN OBAMA AS ELECTED,
NOBODY TWIST HIS ARM TO KEEP IT RUNNING,
OH WAIT YES, THE UNIONS TWIST HIS ARM, NO THEY JUST DEMAND IT, THEY ALSO DEMAND THE HIRING OF THEIR UNIONIZE PEOPLE IN GOVERNMENT JOBS, WITH ALL BENEFITS WHICH NO PRIVATE COMPANIES COULD EVEN THINK OF AFFORDING, ALL THE GOVERNMENT’S EMPLOYEES ARE UNIONIZE ON YOUR POCKET BOOK
INCLUDING THE SCHOOL TEACHERS,
AND THEY ARE JUST BEGINING,
BYE

@ilovebeeswarzone:

this is nothing compare with what this LEADERSHIP IS INFRINGING IN LIBERTY

And see Ms. Bees, we’ve come full circle. There are those on the left that are quite happy when the ruling is done by one of their own. There are those on the right that are quite happy when the ruling is done by one of their own. None of us should be happy being ruled at all. Saying that what Bush did is nothing compared to the current administration is a slippery slope.
This is my favorite quote from Rand Paul’s speech last night:

“It is often said that there is not enough bipartisanship up here. That is not true. In fact, there is plenty. Both parties have been guilty of spending too much, of protecting their sacred cows, of backroom deals in which everyone up here wins, but every taxpayer loses.”

Both sides are hurting the country. The republicans had six years under Bush to make things happen. Everything that is posted in this blog that could help the economy, reign in spending, could have been done under Bush. But the republicans decided to out-democrat the democrats. They spent money we didn’t have. I understand we had to deal with 9/11 and the aftermath; but that does not excuse everything.

Aqua
now is the issue, the republicans are not in power now, and BUSH IS NOT HERE NOW,
WHY COMPARE THE TWO, SO TO MINIMIZE THE FAILURE OF THE ONE WHO NOW IS DESTRUCTING
AND SPENDING AMERICA TO ENRICH
THE FOREIGNER COUNTRIES, LIKE MONEY IS IN A BOTTOMLESS PIT, NOW IT HURT AMERICANS,
BUSH WAS NOT INTERESTED IN THAT, HE WAS GIVEN A HURDLE TO DEAL WITH OR PASS, HE CHOOSE TO DEAL WITH,AND HE DID WHAT WAS RIGHT, TO MAKE A POINT THAT NO ONE GET AWAY WITH ATTACKING AMERICA, JUST LIKE HIS PREDECESSORS DID,
BUT THIS ONE IS BREAKING ALL THE TRUE AMERICA, RULES AND ALL EVEN THE CONSTITUTION
IS IN HIS WAY, AND NOW HE TRY TO FEED ON THE AMENDMENTS FOR HIS INTERESTS,
SOME ARE BRIGHT ENOUGH TO SEE IT AND FORSEE THE REST OF IT’S DANGER,
BUT NOT ALL WHO MERRILY GO THEIR WAY AND COULD NOT CARE OF WHERE THE AMERICA IS LEANING ON, UNTIL IT FALL ON THEIR POCKET BOOK FURTHER.
THE PATRIOTIST IS AT HIS LOWEST THIS IS NOW BEING SEEN NOT JUST TALK OF.
WE MUST FOCUS ON NOW,WHAT ARE THEY DOING TO AMERICA NOW,
AND STOP COMPARING ON THE PREVIOUS NEGATIVES.
BYE