21 Dec

Hollywood’s culture of murder and death

                                       

Following the tragedy in Newtown CT liberals have been falling all over themselves spreading blame. They have targeted the NRA and video games.

The insufferable airheads of Inside Edition and Entertainment Tonight have the tragedy all figured out.

Meanwhile, new details are emerging about what might have driven Adam Lanza over the edge.

Published reports say Nancy Lanza went on a vacation to the Omni Mount Washington Resort in New Hampshire, enjoying gourmet food and being pampered at the spa.

She checked into the luxury resort at 12:10 pm Tuesday, December 11 following a five-hour drive from Newtown, Connecticut. She stayed there for three days, and checked out on Thursday, December 13 at 12:27 pm, the day before the massacre.

20-year-old Adam Lanza was back in Newtown during those three days in the words of one headline: “Home Alone To Plot A Massacre.”

It was all because of a mini-vacation. Yikes.

Of course, one obvious and significant part of our violent culture was left untouched by these dopes.

Movies. Hollywood.

Hollywood has contributed mightily to the decay of American culture. We used to have White Christmas, now we have Reservoir Dogs. We used to have Mary Poppins. Now we have Kill Bill. Hollywood has coarsened our culture. It has desensitized kids to senseless murder and senseless violence.

Let’s examine just how much Hollywood has glorified death. Here is an accounting of the deaths that occur in movies courtesy of Movie Body Counts.

Movie Deaths

Rambo, First Blood Part II 67
Gladiator 77
Kill Bill 95
Once upon a time in Mexico 99
Aliens vs. Predators: Requiem 115
From Dusk Till Dawn 122
Dawn of the Dead 131
The Wild Bunch 145
Chronicles of Riddick 187
Bullet in the Head 214
Hard Boiled 307
Kingdom of Heaven 610

and the king of death:

Lord of the Rings (Return) 836

227 have died in Sylvester Stallone movies, 412 have died in Wesley Snipes movies, 322 have bought the farm in Josh Brolin movies and 726 have been killed in Gerard Butler movies.

The highest death tolls for single characters are:

150 Ogami Itto (Lone Wolf and Cub:White Heaven in Hell
141 Smith (Shoot ‘Em Up)
118 John Preston (Equilibrium)
103 Topper Harley (Hot Shots! Part Deux)
96 Tetsuo (Akira)
87 Rambo (Rambo)

There is a top 100 horror movie death scenes site. Some of the reviews:

“Finally, as the suspense climbs, and she enters the kitchen investigating a noise, we get a tension breaker with a cat jumping thru the window. But when Alice opens the fridge to get the cat some milk, she finds the decapitated, rotted head of Mrs. Voorhees, a dreadful sight, and before she can really let loose a scream, a new killer plunges an ice pick into the side of her skull!”

“The other three barely make it out of the car in time as the train plows into it causing a major crash, objects flying everywhere, and a road sign plummets towards Billy and rips his head right off!!! This one borders on pure cheesiness as Billy’s body staggers to the ground but it is still worth the punch it packs!”

“So young teenaged Judith is kind of skanky and slutty, as she ignores her younger brother, even making him trick-or-treat alone, in favor of entertaining her equally white-trash boyfriend in her upstairs bedroom. Judith’s death scene in the original Carpenter masterpiece was quite memorable as we see it through the killer’s eyes, sans Halloween clown mask, but Zombie made sure this sequence of Judith’s death would be quite memorable as well. Judith is stabbed repeatedly over and over by her younger brother, while instead of a clown mask, he dons the classic white mask that came to be known as the face of Halloween, early on as it was a mask that Judith’s boyfriend Steve taunted her with just before their bedroom tryst. Zombie even inserted the classic “stalking” tempo music from the original film as Michael follows a bloody Judith down the hallway, stabbing her again and again until she finally takes her last breath! Just to recap, this sequence is brutally horrifying!”

Be sure to take the young ‘uns.

There is even a site for the Top Ten Tarantino death scenes. You’ll have to find that one on your own.

For all of the whining about guns by TV and movie stars they certainly don’t shy away from their own profiting on death. And there seems to be no end to the desire for them.

A search for gory dearth scenes yields 800,000 hits.

Want blood and guts on TV? There’s CSI, Criminal Minds and the endlessly hemorrhagic True Blood.

Speaking of True Blood, Yahoo just slobbered all over the death scene of a 9 year old.

Death Scene

Hopkins told The Hollywood Reporter about his death scene. “It really surprised me because I didn’t think that I was going to be a traitor on the show.” Hopkins’ time lasted just three episodes on “True Blood,” yet his death scene was one of the most memorable.

Hollywood is as much if not more responsible for a culture of death and murder as is anything else. The NRA doesn’t teach anyone to kill kids, let alone anyone else.

Movies and TV do. Put the blame where it belongs.

About DrJohn

DrJohn has been a health care professional for more than 30 years. In addition to clinical practice he has done extensive research and has published widely with over 70 original articles and abstracts in the peer-reviewed literature. DrJohn is well known in his field and has lectured on every continent except for Antarctica. He has been married to the same wonderful lady for over 30 years and has three kids- two sons, both of whom are attorneys and one daughter on her way into the field of education. DrJohn was brought up with the concept that one can do well if one is prepared to work hard but nothing in life is guaranteed. Except for liberals being foolish.
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71 Responses to Hollywood’s culture of murder and death

  1. Nan G says: 1

    There are entire genres of movie I cannot even try to watch.
    Back when it 1st came out, I had to walk out of the movie, Jaws.
    Later, I had to walk out of the movie, Alien.
    I really don’t even know why I tried to watch either of them.
    Sometime I can watch something well reviewed but violent if it is on the small screen of TV.
    Avatar was easier to watch because it was so obviously phony.
    One would think I never was close to deaths, dyings, or even hunting, but I have had many personal experiences in these regards.
    I still hunt, I still fish, I still sit with sick people who are dying.
    But none of it as entertainment or with glee.
    That’s the part I cannot understand.
    To play the guitar you have to work up callouses on your fingers.
    To gleefully kill people you have to work up callouses on your conscience.
    Whether the movie-makers and video game makers realize it or not, they are contributing toward deadening the sensitivity of the consciences of our youth.

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  2. johngalt says: 2

    Dr. John, I’d say more so than the numbers killed in any particular movie, it’s more about how those killings are portrayed.

    For example, you list ‘Kingdom of Heaven’ as a top movie for numbers of people killed. However, the movie was a fictionalized accounting of the ending of the second crusades, and the story was much more than the deaths on screen.

    Conversely, movies like Tarantino’s Pulp Fiction glorified the characters of Travolta and Jackson as hit men for a gangster, so that even with far less death seen on screen, the movie was more violent due to that glorification. Kill Bill could be included here, as well as Shoot ‘em Up and others.

    The numbers killed in ‘Saving Private Ryan’ were in the hundreds, yet the film portrayed the violence our soldiers encountered upon D-Day without the glorification of that violence.

    But films like House of 1000 Corpses and Devil’s Rejects glorify that violence.

    It’s when a film seeks to glorify the violence, like the new Tarantino film seems to do, that the violence can teach the wrong message to those viewers not emotionally equipped to deal with what they are seeing on the screen. And yes, it can happen with those films that don’t seek to glorify the killings and violence, but my opinion is that happens much less often.

    My own children(one is 21 and the other 17 now), were well supervised and limited as to what they were able to see. Between the wife and I, we moderated their viewing heavily until we felt they could separate the fiction on screen from real life. I’d like to say that both of them are fairly well-adjusted young men now, but I still observe their behaviour and correct what I feel they are doing wrong.

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  3. drjohn says: 3

    @johngalt: I agree, John. Band of Brothers is a historic portrayal and I left those alone without criticism. Tarantino’s movies portray murder in a totally nonchalant manner. Nothing to see here. Move along.

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  4. retire05 says: 4

    @johngalt:

    When my kids were small, there were re-runs of the Three Stooges on TV. My kids whined and moaned about not being able to watch them, but I didn’t like all the hitting, slapping, etc. that was going on between three people who were supposed to be brothers. I just didn’t think that was what young kids should be watching. I also never took them to movies that I thought had content that was not understandable to an immature mind easily influenced.

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  5. JDR says: 5

    Re: Lord of the Rings

    Come the frick on. The deaths of Orcs of Mordor count?

    What a red herring. For real? That movie was included? Why not count The Birds while we’re at it? Or Starship Troopers?

    I get the point, and I agree with it, but the Tolkein fanboy in me can’t let that slide.

    Amazing that Peter Jackson’s LoTR trilogy was amazingly faithful to the text of the novels, and yet none of the actors (if you listen to the commentary tracks of the actors) seem to get what they just played an incredibly intimate part in producing. Did they phone it in? Did they not actually all read and fully comprehend the novels before playing Hobbits and Wizards for the camera?

    The actors in the commentary, at one point, talk about how Bush (at the time) represents Mordor, and the rest of the cast in that recording laughed and pretty much agreed.

    The cranial density is strong with Libs. Most of those actors would be telling us today that Mordor is Good! It’s All Good™! Orcs and wargs and Uruk-hai are PEACEFUL! They have nothing but good intentions! And, finally, “…warmongers… that’s what you rightwinger Men of the West are….”.

    That’s right. Wormtongue is the American Left.

    I wonder if this Christmas Day release of Tarantino’s new audiovisual piece of sh&t will result in violence by black media-worshipping Americans against any and all “whiteys”…. white or otherwise (you know, like White Hispanic. or White Chinese. or White Zamibian…)?

    No I don’t. Before the internet existed, Boyz’ n da Hood, South Central, Colors, Menace 2 Society, and Juice came out, and since at that time the MSM was not yet too cowardly to report violence when done by non-white actors, everyone knew about all the violence at every single movie theater where it premiered (and even on days two, three, and four, in some locations.)

    This Christmas night, if you decide you want to see the filth that is Django Unchained, you do so at your own, and those of your loved ones’ , risk.

    Mark my words. Be careful if you go to the cinema this Christmas night, NO MATTER WHAT you are going there to see.

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  6. JDR says: 6

    retire05

    Re: Three Stooges

    The communist takeover of America via the MSM was coming into it’s own at that time, with I Love Lucy, Father Knows Best and a slew of other shows, which, by the time we got to the 60’s and 70’s, led to even more Male-Bashing, produced. written, and acted out by American Males. Dad sucks, is stupid, and always fails. From Ward Cleaver to Al Bundy to Homer Simpson to whomever has been occupying “that old bag” Society-Hypnotizing role since I stopped watching TV 12 years ago.

    It all started (well, in this age, not counting that serpent in that garden), in the Nineteen-Teens, with the inception of The New School, in NYC. It was an abjectly, profusely, and admittedly socialist school (and it still exists today, and is a thriving institution), whose ultimate goal was the eventual Marxist takeover of a nation… even if it took a hundred years. Infiltrate every institution, from the arts to education to publishing to radio to recording to film to television to Madison Avenue. And own America.

    Looks like it worked, and swimmingly!

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  7. JDR says: 7

    America knows what comes on at 8:00 EST on ABC.*

    I don’t. Same with any other “time slot” on any other network on any other day.

    —-

    *America is allowing itself to be programmed, and has for my entire life, and at least two decades more.

    People look at me askance, as if I am somehow “touched”, or mentally disabled, when I tell them I don’t know who some television star is.

    I look at them with pity. My head is not surrounded by the bezel of a large-screen television, with “EXPERT, JDR” under my head in cool graphics, so everything I say is and must be false. By this I know that I can’t sway them from the views that their chosen celebrities and wisdom-givers have programmed them with, so I just continue to love them as commanded by my God.

    And may God help us all, and deliver us from our national insanity.

    1 John 4.

    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20John%204&version=NIV

    Very important. Agape, folks. Represent. Gimme some Wiki:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agape

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  8. sirslud says: 8

    Nobody teaches anybody to kill. Nor do you learn this from movies or games – it’s simply statistically impossible to link, and lord how people have tried.

    But people do leave guns around, for when their uncle, dad, son or other loved ones are in a particularly low point in their lives. They ere easy enough to buy if not left lying around. If you can’t get them at home, or buy them, chances are, if gun ownership rates are high, you can easily steal them a neighbour. I’ve never understood the concept that touts, “If you’re a criminal, the law won’t stop you.” These are not criminal geniuses. They are buying or getting access to guns through fairly benign channels such as ordering them online or the family stash. This is not a cultural, political, or religious issue. This is an access to guns issue. Every single mass murderer has parents. If they can’t tell that their kid might go off at a given time, why would you assume you could? When we face problems in life and in work, we don’t go, “Well, this will never not happen, so I should never make an effort to attempt to reduce the times this happens.”

    Or possibly it’s just socialism and hollywood and everyone being more impressionable than how intelligent and rational you are as an individual.

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  9. Hard Right says: 10

    I love how hollywood likes to pretend their movies have no impact.
    So those gangsters were turning their guns sideways BEFORE the movies did it? Nope.
    So those kids decided to lay in the middle of the road as cars passed by out of the blue?
    http://www.nytimes.com/1993/10/19/us/not-like-the-movie-a-dare-leads-to-death.html
    I have a book where some guys tried to murder an entire family by forcing Draino down their throat. They got the idea from a Dirty Harry movie which they saw multiple times.

    Here is a list of things the media helped cause.

    http://www.stayfreemagazine.org/archives/20/media_influence1.html

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  10. retire05 says: 11

    @sirslud:

    You seem to think that ordering a firearm on the internet is like buying a book from Amazon. Are you really that clueless?

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  11. Smorgasbord says: 12

    Over the years, I have noticed that more movies are having people killed in a way that is funny. I don’t remember the name of the movie, but it had a killing in it that I laughed at the way that it happened. Immediately after I laughed, I thought to myself that that wasn’t right. This is one reason I don’t watch today’s action adventure movies. Another reason is that I don’t want to support an industry that puts out liberal propaganda. When movies show FUNNY killings, and killings just to kill, I can understand why some of today’s youth think so little of the human life.

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  12. Wordsmith says: 13

    @JDR:

    Amazing that Peter Jackson’s LoTR trilogy was amazingly faithful to the text of the novels, and yet none of the actors (if you listen to the commentary tracks of the actors) seem to get what they just played an incredibly intimate part in producing. Did they phone it in? Did they not actually all read and fully comprehend the novels before playing Hobbits and Wizards for the camera?

    The actors in the commentary, at one point, talk about how Bush (at the time) represents Mordor, and the rest of the cast in that recording laughed and pretty much agreed.

    Not all the actors. John Rhys-Davies:

    Many of the Lord of the Rings actors have utilized their newfound fame to embrace political causes. Viggo Mortensen (“Aragron”) bashes President Bush with low-simmered contempt, Sean Astin (“Sam”) has hinted at running for political office, while Billy Boyd (“Pippin”) and Dominc Monaghan (“Merry”) promote various environmental causes.

    Rhys-Davies, however, runs contrary to the prevailing political sentiment of the industry that feeds him. “You do realize that in this town [Hollywood], what I’ve been saying is rather like, sort of — oh well, I can’t find a comparable blasphemy … but we’ve got to get a bit serious.” Surveying the room, he said: “What is unconscionable is that too many of your fellow journalists do not understand how precarious Western civilization is and what a joy it is. From it, we get real democracy. From it, we get the sort of intellectual tolerance that allows me to propound something that may be completely alien to you around this table….” He continued by saying, “The abolition of slavery comes from Western democracy. True democracy comes from our Greco-Judeo-Christian-Western experience. If we lose these things, then this is a catastrophe for the world.” He pointed out that while projected population statistics in Western Europeans will be falling sharply over the next 20 years, Islam will become more prominent in those countries.

    “There is a change happening in the very complexion of Western Civilization in Europe that we should think about, at least, and argue about,” he said. “If it just means the replacement of one genetic stock with another genetic stock, that doesn’t matter too much. But if it involves the replacement of Western Civilization with a different civilization with different cultural values, then it is something we really ought to discuss.”

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  13. Of course, the majority of the violent films you mentioned include death by gunshot, which might mean glorification of the gun, rather than of violent death. You forgot such classics as “Godzilla” (ok, it was a Japanese movie… but with a body count well beyond Kill Bill and the others), “Mars Attacks”, “War of the Worlds”, etc.

    But, by what stretch of the imagination was Nancy Lanza’s vacation responsible for violent films, or of the remotest relevance to violent films or her son’s Adam Lanza’s murder spree?

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  14. drjohn says: 15

    @Richard Grabman:

    But, by what stretch of the imagination was Nancy Lanza’s vacation responsible for violent films, or of the remotest relevance to violent films or her son’s Adam Lanza’s murder spree?

    None. It’s all BS to keep the focus off of Hollywood’s culpability

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  15. drjohn says: 16

    @Smorgasbord:

    Over the years, I have noticed that more movies are having people killed in a way that is funny.

    Yes. Life has been cheapened. Tarantino has been the best at doing that.

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  16. drjohn says: 17

    @sirslud:

    This is an access to guns issue. Every single mass murderer has parents. If they can’t tell that their kid might go off at a given time, why would you assume you could? When we face problems in life and in work, we don’t go, “Well, this will never not happen, so I should never make an effort to attempt to reduce the times this happens.”

    You’re partially right. Adam Lanza should never have had access to guns and I have said that here. He was mentally ill. He should have been treated long ago. The kid was a sociopath. Parents cannot control a sociopath after a certain age.

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  17. retire05 says: 18

    @drjohn:

    But the Newtown shooter WASN’T treated, Dr. John. That is the whole point. Even a school official admitted that they knew the kid was not mentally level. Same with all the other shooters, starting with Charles Whitman. With the HIPAA laws, what psychiatrist is going to lay their license, and their personal wealth, on the line to report some patient they suspect could be capable of doing great harm to others? You see, in the PC world, the ACLU is to be feared, not some mentally unstable teen ager or young adult.

    And what do you think will happen with the Tucson shooter? He’ll be locked up in some cushy mental institution, and eventually, like the guy who shot President Reagan, will eventually walk about freely again being magically cured and deemed no longer a threat to society.

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  19. DrJohn says: 19

    Linked by Doug Ross and Doug Powers. Thanks!

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  20. DrJohn says: 20

    @retire05:

    But the Newtown shooter WASN’T treated, Dr. John. That is the whole point.

    That has been my argument all along. Intervention could have prevented this.

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  22. Rocky Lore says: 21

    Any chance the fascist Hollyweirdos and anti-gun freaks plan to give up THEIR armed security…in the name of “gun control”?

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  23. Budvarakbar says: 22

    @Nan G: It is and has been for many years done on purpose

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  24. JDR says: 23

    Wordsmith

    Excellent John Rhys-Davies quotes, thank you!

    I sighed with relief that at least ONE cast member in LoTR was not a deluded moonbat.

    (And to any deluded moonbats who worked on that production: amazing job, it’s a masterpiece. Too bad you didn’t “get it”.)

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  25. JDR says: 24

    If the shooter wasn’t “treated” then why was he supposedly on a newish, and controversial (within the world of psychotropic pharmaceuticals) anti-psychotic medication?

    Someone prescribed it — who?

    http://www.businessinsider.com/adam-lanza-taking-antipsychotic-fanapt-2012-12

    See also (and read the whole comment thread):

    http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/12/16/sandy-hook-shooting-discrepancies-not-conspiracies-yet/

    Many more questions are still unanswered. So many.

    Fast and Furious didn’t work according to plan (ban or severely restrict all gun ownership in the U.S.A.)

    I can’t help but wonder if this was done by the government, toward the same end, plan B.

    Oh, you’re damn right that’s crazy talk. But is it as crazy as suggesting that the government took out four planes on 9/11 while planting bombs in the WTC? No, it is far less so, given what we know about Communists, and about this administration’s affinity for the most infamous Communist empires, tactics, and leaders.

    Including Potemkin tactics and Big Lies.

    FORWARD.

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  26. JDR says: 25

    How many people were killed by Vader’s Death Star on Princess Leia’s homeworld?

    One shot!

    That’s no moon…

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  28. JDR says: 26

    More, and this will either

    a) freak you out and make you question your sanity… or…

    b) confirm your suspicions of late and confirm your sanity.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfScPPysADQ&feature=youtu.be

    Embed this, mods, at your own risk.

    There is some seriously crazy crap going on. Somebody disabuse me of this notion.

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  29. Smorgasbord says: 27

    @Rocky Lore: #21
    They will give up their armed security the same day they give up their limos and SUVs to help combat global warming.

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  30. Eric says: 28

    i personally am getting sick of this current trend of blaming the ills of society on movies and video games. not only has this crap become more prevalent since the tragedy in Newton, but it’s even worse for me that the vast majority of this garbage is coming from conservatives. i guess in order to be a conservative in this day and age, you have to value guns more than free speech. i’m sorry, but if i had to choose between keeping the second amendment and the first amendment, i would choose the latter. and i wouldn’t even have to think about it. as an artist, i value my (and everyone else’s) right to freely express themselves too much to give it up.

    oh, and do i have to mention that there is ZERO correlation between violence in media and whether or not people who view that violence go on to commit violent acts themselves? but yeah, blame the movies instead of the individual himself and the tool he used to commit his crime. makes a whole lot of sense.

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  31. Conniption Fitz says: 29

    @Eric:

    Hard evidence says you are mistaken on this. There are numerous studies that show violent media affects behavior and even the structure, function and chemistry of the brain, and the way people relate to others. Fact is – Adam Lanza and the overwhelming majority of mass murderers watch the darkest, most violent, dehumanizing media.

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  32. DrJohn says: 30

    @Eric: Eric

    If you blame guns for shooting deaths I imagine you must blame cars for drunk driving deaths and pencils for misspellings as well.

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  33. DrJohn says: 31

    @Eric:

    oh, and do i have to mention that there is ZERO correlation between violence in media and whether or not people who view that violence go on to commit violent acts themselves?

    Actually, Eric, there is a considerable amount of data to support it.

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  34. Eric says: 32

    @Conniption Fitz

    actually, that ‘hard evidence’ you’re mentioning doesn’t prove whether or not violent media CAUSES people who watch it to be violent themselves or that naturally violent people are naturally attracted to violent media. if the former actually were true, we’d truly live in a world of chaos because millions upon millions of people (including myself) watch violent media and don’t end up going on shooting rampages. in fact, i’ve been watching so called ‘violent media’ since i was a kid and i grew up to be a well adjusted member of society.

    but like i said, blame movies instead of the individual himself and the tool he used to commit his crime. i’m sure it makes you feel better.

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  35. Eric says: 33

    @DrJohn

    i don’t blame guns for anything. i blame individuals for the crimes they commit. and just for the record, i fully support the second amendment and i’m against gun control in general.

    but i’m curious; do you support the first amendment rights of film makers to freely express themselves? and if you truly believe that violent media causes people to be violent, what do you suggest the solution is? stopping artists from expressing themselves? because i’m pretty sure that would be a violation of the first amendment. if you want to be more strict in the ways children view this media, i think an argument can be made for that but adults have every right to view whatever media they want, and i believe that parents have every right to let their children view whatever media they want. is it a good idea to? probably not, but it is still within their rights to do so.

    as to your second comment, read my response to Conniption Fitz

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  36. DrJohn says: 34

    @Eric: Eric

    Where do kids learn to kill others? Not from the NRA.

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  37. Eric says: 35

    @DrJohn

    and they don’t learn it from movies either. i’ll mentioned it again; millions upon millions of people (including myself) watch violent media and don’t end up going on shooting rampages nor are we violent. in fact, i’ve been watching so called ‘violent media’ since i was a kid and i grew up to be a well adjusted member of society.

    the real fact is that naturally violent people tend to be attracted to violent media. it doesn’t ’cause’ a damn thing.

    you also didn’t answer any of my questions.

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  38. DrJohn says: 36

    @Eric:

    You’re kidding, right? Ever see a Tarantino movie? We ALL learn how easy it is to kill and how depersonalized it can be. That’s different from actually doing the killing, but we are ALL taught how to kill by the media.

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  39. DrJohn says: 37

    @Eric:

    Ever watch Pulp Fiction? The scene in which the kid’s head is accidentally blown off in the car? The big problem is not the death, but the mess it caused. That was soooo inconvenient.

    And Hollywood loves it.

    Yes, Eric, Hollywood teaches how to kill and makes it just another day at the park.

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  40. Eric says: 38

    i have seen plenty of Tarantino films and *gasps* i haven’t killed anyone. and just because a film shows a death onscreen doesn’t mean it’s ‘teaching’ anyone how to kill another person. i wouldn’t know how to do anything i saw in a Tarantino film if i wanted to do it right now.

    and do you ever plan on answering anything i asked? i’ll post it again:

    do you support the first amendment rights of film makers to freely express themselves? and if you truly believe that violent media causes people to be violent, what do you suggest the solution is? stopping artists from expressing themselves? because i’m pretty sure that would be a violation of the first amendment. if you want to be more strict in the ways children view this media, i think an argument can be made for that but adults have every right to view whatever media they want, and i believe that parents have every right to let their children view whatever media they want. is it a good idea to? probably not, but it is still within their rights to do so.

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  41. DrJohn says: 39

    @Eric:

    Kids copy the behavior of their “heroes.” Deny it all you want. They see these actions in movies and on TV and they emulate it.

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  42. Eric says: 40

    firstly, that is not always the case. like i said, i’ve been watching so called ‘violent media’ since i was a kid and i grew up to be a well adjusted member of society. if it were true, don’t you think it should be the parents responsibility to raise they’re own children up right instead of it being Hollywood’s responsibility to raise their children for them?

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  43. DrJohn says: 41

    @Eric:

    A couple of things:

    firstly, that is not always the case. like i said, i’ve been watching so called “violent media” since i was a kid and i grew up to be a well adjusted member of society.

    Reread post 36

    if it were true, don’t you think it should be the parents responsibility to raise they’re own children up right instead of it being Hollywood’s responsibility to raise their children for them?

    I thought it took a village

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  44. noway says: 42

    @JDR:

    nor did the syrian gun running out of libya turn out well.

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  45. DrJohn says: 43

    From Just One Minute

    On April 20, 1999, students Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold murdered twelve students and one teacher at Columbine High School near Littleton, Colorado. The massacre ended with both perpetrators committing suicide. It has been confirmed that both Harris and Klebold were fans of Natural Born Killers. Prior to the massacre, they had used the initials ‘NBK’ as their code. In a journal entry dated, April 10, 1998, Harris wrote “When I go NBK and people say things like “Oh, it was so tragic,” or “oh he is crazy!” or “It was so bloody”, just because your mommy and daddy told you blood and violence is bad, you think it’s a fucking law of nature? Wrong, only science and math are true, everything, and I mean every fucking thing else is Man made. Before I leave this worthless place, I will kill whoever I deem unfit for anything at all, especially life.” Harris also referred to April 20 as “the holy April morning of NBK”, and in an undated journal entry, Klebold (who was severely depressed) wrote “I’m stuck in humanity. Maybe going NBK w. Eric is the way to break free”.[6] During one of the “Basement Tapes” found in Harris and Klebold’s homes, the perpetrators mention how Hollywood will want to adapt their life story, and they debate on whether or not Steven Spielberg or Quentin Tarantino (who conceived the story for Natural Born Killers) are appropriate choices to direct the proposed film.

    http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2012/12/a-man-with-a-plan.html

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  46. Budvarakbar says: 44

    @DrJohn: Thanks for taking up the gauntlet re Eric — I saw his first post early this am and thought to reply – but he is just an apologist for the media / hollyweird CRAP — I have at least one wall and two cats that have better reasoning powers.

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  47. Wordsmith says: 45

    @Eric:

    and they don’t learn it from movies either. i’ll mentioned it again; millions upon millions of people (including myself) watch violent media and don’t end up going on shooting rampages nor are we violent. in fact, i’ve been watching so called ‘violent media’ since i was a kid and i grew up to be a well adjusted member of society.

    I think the issue is rather complex.

    In Dr. John’s list of movies, there are a couple that are Japanese and not of Hollywood make. And if you’re familiar with Japanese pop culture, including manga (comics), they are filled with perverse violence and pornography. And you can find these things sold in vending machines on street corners. Yet Japan for the most part has a low violent crime rate (my mom once blamed rising crime in Japan on immigrants).

    I believe we are all influenced to one extent or another by what we expose ourselves to. We are shaped by what we experience and witness. Many of us “experience” violent images- I’m sure Dr. John has seen some of these very movies- and yet we remain law-abiding citizens.

    Some think that when Clark Gable appeared without an undershirt in a movie, sales for men’s undershirts declined. People are easily influenced by the latest fashion from pop stars and movie icons; but just because millions may enjoy watching a perverse slasher flick or listen to gangsta rap, it will not lead millions into criminal acts.

    It might be the case that we “damage” ourselves by watching and listening to violent, perverse movies and music, in subtle ways we ourselves are not aware of. And we go on living as normal, law-abiding citizens, never acting out on any dark fantasies. Perhaps most people can weather exposure to such movies and music and not be changed for the worse by it all; but, when exposed to those who are wired differently from most people…who have a moral short-circuit in them….

    So do movies, music, art, literature, etc. deserve a share of blame anymore than guns?

    I believe there are probably those human aberrations who live among us who are made the worse by exposure of “bad” things in art, literature, movies that glorify guns and anti-heroes, etc. But this accounts for what percentage of the population?

    We’re a nation of 311 million. How many are bad apples? And should they “ruin” it for the rest of society that is “normal”? Can we be so sure that if not Hollywood movies and music, something else would not have triggered them into arriving in the same, dark place?

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  48. Wordsmith says: 46

    I remember back in college, taking a criminology course; and one of the books we read was “Inside the Criminal Mind” by Stanton Samenow. If I remember correctly, his research found that (career) criminals were responsible for crimes because of some flaw that is already inherent in them. Parents would make excuses for their child, “Oh, it’s because he fell in with a bad crowd”. Well, no…he didn’t just “fall in” accidentally; he chose to hang with that bad crowd because he was attracted to their lifestyle. Samenow doesn’t lay the blame on broken homes, the parents, alcoholism, violence in movies, drug addictions, poverty, etc., but says the bad seed of criminal behavior was already planted in the person from birth. It’s in his nature (like the scorpion and frog).

    He’d point out to how a family raises 5 kids, all treated the same, and child #4, the bad apple, well there was always something peculiar and off-kilter about him; whereas his 4 siblings turned out well-adjusted.

    Society is not to blame.

    I think the book’s focus was on the career criminal. I think I still have that book somewhere….

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  49. Joey says: 47

    You’re being a hypocrite by blaming violent movies, and have no more credibility on the issue than they do.
    Guns, video games, and movies don’t kill people. People do! The nanny state doesn’t save anybody and you’re as sick as they are.

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