7 Nov

Is There Common Sense Left in America?

                                       

This is a long post, but in light of current political situation it benefits those that take the time to read it. No doubt many people are waking up today and wondering what has become of our nation. I’m there myself. I’ve often said that if President Obama were re-elected, I would have to do an extra two years in the military because I want someone else signing my retirement certificate. Today, I just can’t see that happening either. I find myself increasing looking at either early retirement or going ahead with the medical retirement I’ve been hoping to avoid.

But, then the patriot side of my psyche takes over. When I faced my first re-enlistment over 12 years ago, I seriously contemplated getting out of the Army. I wasn’t happy then with the state of leadership I witnessed in my peer and seniors. There were some standout people that I looked to as role models, but they tended to be the exception rather than the rule.

Over time, that has changed for the better and for worse as those things tend to do. There are still many great leaders in the military, but I they are becoming fewer and farther between in my opinion. This is evidenced, I think, by the continuing problem with suicides in the military. We simply aren’t taking care of our troops.

But, then I got to thinking about the challenges our nation faced in the early years of our fledgling republic. It was Christmas night in 1776 and next day would mark Washington’s famous crossing of the Delaware River. On the banks of the Delware about nine miles from Trenton, Washing was encamped with his troops preparing for a surprise offensive. Washington held out hope that this offensive would save his position as general and invigorate his troops. His troops were exhausted and the cold weather was weighing on morale. There was no supply of winter clothing or refuge from the winter that had turned oppressively cold. The British were beating them battle after battle. Washington himself faced the prospect of being replaced by a Congress that wasn’t at all impressed with him.

Washington pulled his officers together and ordered them to read “The American Crisis” by Thomas Paine. Paine wrote this motivational essay on the back of a drumhead while he was embedded with Washington’s troops. He was a passionate writer and believed in the ideals that America was trying to create. In spite of the negativity and pessimism that overwhelmed him, he believed in a higher purpose. The following day, those Soldiers scored a small victory at the Battle of Trenton that emboldened the troops and injected doubt into the minds of the redcoats.

Today, we face a similar potential crisis. Americans are growingly pessimistic. Patriots are angered and confused over last night’s presidential election results. There is a feeling of impending doom as we face a looming “fiscal cliff,” hollowed out military, and overly intrusive federal government. We have an executive branch that succeeded in polarizing the nation to such degrees that there was talk of violence over the election results.

So, for my benefit and the benefit of other patriots out there, I want to repeat Washington’s motivational strategy to rally the troops and bolster our spirits. The future is certain to be paved with policies that would appear to doom our nation. Washington overcame extreme adversity at a time when it appeared the American experiment would never see the light the day. Today, we may believe that the American experiment is about to experience total and utter destruction.

In light of that, I ask that you read “The American Crisis” again today. I believe in these words and they provided me with a much-needed refocus. I’ve highlighted a few passages I believe are particularly important to read. Perhaps we are at the point where, as Paine so eloquently puts it, “”If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace…” Maybe we must suffer these days in order to awaken the people to make the nation a better place for our children.

THE AMERICAN CRISIS, by Thomas Paine

THESE are the times that try men’s souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as FREEDOM should not be highly rated. Britain, with an army to enforce her tyranny, has declared that she has a right (not only to TAX) but “to BIND us in ALL CASES WHATSOEVER,” and if being bound in that manner, is not slavery, then is there not such a thing as slavery upon earth. Even the expression is impious; for so unlimited a power can belong only to God.

Whether the independence of the continent was declared too soon, or delayed too long, I will not now enter into as an argument; my own simple opinion is, that had it been eight months earlier, it would have been much better. We did not make a proper use of last winter, neither could we, while we were in a dependent state. However, the fault, if it were one, was all our own*; we have none to blame but ourselves. But no great deal is lost yet. All that Howe has been doing for this month past, is rather a ravage than a conquest, which the spirit of the Jerseys, a year ago, would have quickly repulsed, and which time and a little resolution will soon recover.

* The present winter is worth an age, if rightly employed; but, if lost or neglected, the whole continent will partake of the evil; and there is no punishment that man does not deserve, be he who, or what, or where he will, that may be the means of sacrificing a season so precious and useful.

I have as little superstition in me as any man living, but my secret opinion has ever been, and still is, that God Almighty will not give up a people to military destruction, or leave them unsupportedly to perish, who have so earnestly and so repeatedly sought to avoid the calamities of war, by every decent method which wisdom could invent. Neither have I so much of the infidel in me, as to suppose that He has relinquished the government of the world, and given us up to the care of devils; and as I do not, I cannot see on what grounds the king of Britain can look up to heaven for help against us: a common murderer, a highwayman, or a house-breaker, has as good a pretence as he.

‘Tis surprising to see how rapidly a panic will sometimes run through a country. All nations and ages have been subject to them. Britain has trembled like an ague at the report of a French fleet of flat-bottomed boats; and in the fourteenth [fifteenth] century the whole English army, after ravaging the kingdom of France, was driven back like men petrified with fear; and this brave exploit was performed by a few broken forces collected and headed by a woman, Joan of Arc. Would that heaven might inspire some Jersey maid to spirit up her countrymen, and save her fair fellow sufferers from ravage and ravishment! Yet panics, in some cases, have their uses; they produce as much good as hurt. Their duration is always short; the mind soon grows through them, and acquires a firmer habit than before. But their peculiar advantage is, that they are the touchstones of sincerity and hypocrisy, and bring things and men to light, which might otherwise have lain forever undiscovered. In fact, they have the same effect on secret traitors, which an imaginary apparition would have upon a private murderer. They sift out the hidden thoughts of man, and hold them up in public to the world. Many a disguised Tory has lately shown his head, that shall penitentially solemnize with curses the day on which Howe arrived upon the Delaware.

As I was with the troops at Fort Lee, and marched with them to the edge of Pennsylvania, I am well acquainted with many circumstances, which those who live at a distance know but little or nothing of. Our situation there was exceedingly cramped, the place being a narrow neck of land between the North River and the Hackensack. Our force was inconsiderable, being not one-fourth so great as Howe could bring against us. We had no army at hand to have relieved the garrison, had we shut ourselves up and stood on our defence. Our ammunition, light artillery, and the best part of our stores, had been removed, on the apprehension that Howe would endeavor to penetrate the Jerseys, in which case Fort Lee could be of no use to us; for it must occur to every thinking man, whether in the army or not, that these kind of field forts are only for temporary purposes, and last in use no longer than the enemy directs his force against the particular object which such forts are raised to defend. Such was our situation and condition at Fort Lee on the morning of the 20th of November, when an officer arrived with information that the enemy with 200 boats had landed about seven miles above; Major General [Nathaniel] Green, who commanded the garrison, immediately ordered them under arms, and sent express to General Washington at the town of Hackensack, distant by the way of the ferry = six miles. Our first object was to secure the bridge over the Hackensack, which laid up the river between the enemy and us, about six miles from us, and three from them. General Washington arrived in about three-quarters of an hour, and marched at the head of the troops towards the bridge, which place I expected we should have a brush for; however, they did not choose to dispute it with us, and the greatest part of our troops went over the bridge, the rest over the ferry, except some which passed at a mill on a small creek, between the bridge and the ferry, and made their way through some marshy grounds up to the town of Hackensack, and there passed the river. We brought off as much baggage as the wagons could contain, the rest was lost. The simple object was to bring off the garrison, and march them on till they could be strengthened by the Jersey or Pennsylvania militia, so as to be enabled to make a stand. We staid four days at Newark, collected our out-posts with some of the Jersey militia, and marched out twice to meet the enemy, on being informed that they were advancing, though our numbers were greatly inferior to theirs. Howe, in my little opinion, committed a great error in generalship in not throwing a body of forces off from Staten Island through Amboy, by which means he might have seized all our stores at Brunswick, and intercepted our march into Pennsylvania; but if we believe the power of hell to be limited, we must likewise believe that their agents are under some providential control.

I shall not now attempt to give all the particulars of our retreat to the Delaware; suffice it for the present to say, that both officers and men, though greatly harassed and fatigued, frequently without rest, covering, or provision, the inevitable consequences of a long retreat, bore it with a manly and martial spirit. All their wishes centred in one, which was, that the country would turn out and help them to drive the enemy back. Voltaire has remarked that King William never appeared to full advantage but in difficulties and in action; the same remark may be made on General Washington, for the character fits him. There is a natural firmness in some minds which cannot be unlocked by trifles, but which, when unlocked, discovers a cabinet of fortitude; and I reckon it among those kind of public blessings, which we do not immediately see, that God hath blessed him with uninterrupted health, and given him a mind that can even flourish upon care.

I shall conclude this paper with some miscellaneous remarks on the state of our affairs; and shall begin with asking the following question, Why is it that the enemy have left the New England provinces, and made these middle ones the seat of war? The answer is easy: New England is not infested with Tories, and we are. I have been tender in raising the cry against these men, and used numberless arguments to show them their danger, but it will not do to sacrifice a world either to their folly or their baseness. The period is now arrived, in which either they or we must change our sentiments, or one or both must fall. And what is a Tory? Good God! what is he? I should not be afraid to go with a hundred Whigs against a thousand Tories, were they to attempt to get into arms. Every Tory is a coward; for servile, slavish, self-interested fear is the foundation of Toryism; and a man under such influence, though he may be cruel, never can be brave.

But, before the line of irrecoverable separation be drawn between us, let us reason the matter together: Your conduct is an invitation to the enemy, yet not one in a thousand of you has heart enough to join him. Howe is as much deceived by you as the American cause is injured by you. He expects you will all take up arms, and flock to his standard, with muskets on your shoulders. Your opinions are of no use to him, unless you support him personally, for ’tis soldiers, and not Tories, that he wants.

I once felt all that kind of anger, which a man ought to feel, against the mean principles that are held by the Tories: a noted one, who kept a tavern at Amboy, was standing at his door, with as pretty a child in his hand, about eight or nine years old, as I ever saw, and after speaking his mind as freely as he thought was prudent, finished with this unfatherly expression, “Well! give me peace in my day.” Not a man lives on the continent but fully believes that a separation must some time or other finally take place, and a generous parent should have said, “If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace;” and this single reflection, well applied, is sufficient to awaken every man to duty. Not a place upon earth might be so happy as America. Her situation is remote from all the wrangling world, and she has nothing to do but to trade with them. A man can distinguish himself between temper and principle, and I am as confident, as I am that God governs the world, that America will never be happy till she gets clear of foreign dominion. Wars, without ceasing, will break out till that period arrives, and the continent must in the end be conqueror; for though the flame of liberty may sometimes cease to shine, the coal can never expire.

America did not, nor does not want force; but she wanted a proper application of that force. Wisdom is not the purchase of a day, and it is no wonder that we should err at the first setting off. From an excess of tenderness, we were unwilling to raise an army, and trusted our cause to the temporary defence of a well-meaning militia. A summer’s experience has now taught us better; yet with those troops, while they were collected, we were able to set bounds to the progress of the enemy, and, thank God! they are again assembling. I always considered militia as the best troops in the world for a sudden exertion, but they will not do for a long campaign. Howe, it is probable, will make an attempt on this city [Philadelphia]; should he fail on this side the Delaware, he is ruined. If he succeeds, our cause is not ruined. He stakes all on his side against a part on ours; admitting he succeeds, the consequence will be, that armies from both ends of the continent will march to assist their suffering friends in the middle states; for he cannot go everywhere, it is impossible. I consider Howe as the greatest enemy the Tories have; he is bringing a war into their country, which, had it not been for him and partly for themselves, they had been clear of. Should he now be expelled, I wish with all the devotion of a Christian, that the names of Whig and Tory may never more be mentioned; but should the Tories give him encouragement to come, or assistance if he come, I as sincerely wish that our next year’s arms may expel them from the continent, and the Congress appropriate their possessions to the relief of those who have suffered in well-doing. A single successful battle next year will settle the whole. America could carry on a two years’ war by the confiscation of the property of disaffected persons, and be made happy by their expulsion. Say not that this is revenge, call it rather the soft resentment of a suffering people, who, having no object in view but the good of all, have staked their own all upon a seemingly doubtful event. Yet it is folly to argue against determined hardness; eloquence may strike the ear, and the language of sorrow draw forth the tear of compassion, but nothing can reach the heart that is steeled with prejudice.

Quitting this class of men, I turn with the warm ardor of a friend to those who have nobly stood, and are yet determined to stand the matter out: I call not upon a few, but upon all: not on this state or that state, but on every state: up and help us; lay your shoulders to the wheel; better have too much force than too little, when so great an object is at stake. Let it be told to the future world, that in the depth of winter, when nothing but hope and virtue could survive, that the city and the country, alarmed at one common danger, came forth to meet and to repulse it. Say not that thousands are gone, turn out your tens of thousands; throw not the burden of the day upon Providence, but “show your faith by your works,” that God may bless you. It matters not where you live, or what rank of life you hold, the evil or the blessing will reach you all. The far and the near, the home counties and the back, the rich and the poor, will suffer or rejoice alike. The heart that feels not now is dead; the blood of his children will curse his cowardice, who shrinks back at a time when a little might have saved the whole, and made them happy. I love the man that can smile in trouble, that can gather strength from distress, and grow brave by reflection. ‘Tis the business of little minds to shrink; but he whose heart is firm, and whose conscience approves his conduct, will pursue his principles unto death. My own line of reasoning is to myself as straight and clear as a ray of light. Not all the treasures of the world, so far as I believe, could have induced me to support an offensive war, for I think it murder; but if a thief breaks into my house, burns and destroys my property, and kills or threatens to kill me, or those that are in it, and to “bind me in all cases whatsoever” to his absolute will, am I to suffer it? What signifies it to me, whether he who does it is a king or a common man; my countryman or not my countryman; whether it be done by an individual villain, or an army of them? If we reason to the root of things we shall find no difference; neither can any just cause be assigned why we should punish in the one case and pardon in the other. Let them call me rebel and welcome, I feel no concern from it; but I should suffer the misery of devils, were I to make a whore of my soul by swearing allegiance to one whose character is that of a sottish, stupid, stubborn, worthless, brutish man. I conceive likewise a horrid idea in receiving mercy from a being, who at the last day shall be shrieking to the rocks and mountains to cover him, and fleeing with terror from the orphan, the widow, and the slain of America.

There are cases which cannot be overdone by language, and this is one. There are persons, too, who see not the full extent of the evil which threatens them; they solace themselves with hopes that the enemy, if he succeed, will be merciful. It is the madness of folly, to expect mercy from those who have refused to do justice; and even mercy, where conquest is the object, is only a trick of war; the cunning of the fox is as murderous as the violence of the wolf, and we ought to guard equally against both. Howe’s first object is, partly by threats and partly by promises, to terrify or seduce the people to deliver up their arms and receive mercy. The ministry recommended the same plan to Gage, and this is what the tories call making their peace, “a peace which passeth all understanding” indeed! A peace which would be the immediate forerunner of a worse ruin than any we have yet thought of. Ye men of Pennsylvania, do reason upon these things! Were the back counties to give up their arms, they would fall an easy prey to the Indians, who are all armed: this perhaps is what some Tories would not be sorry for. Were the home counties to deliver up their arms, they would be exposed to the resentment of the back counties who would then have it in their power to chastise their defection at pleasure. And were any one state to give up its arms, that state must be garrisoned by all Howe’s army of Britons and Hessians to preserve it from the anger of the rest. Mutual fear is the principal link in the chain of mutual love, and woe be to that state that breaks the compact. Howe is mercifully inviting you to barbarous destruction, and men must be either rogues or fools that will not see it. I dwell not upon the vapors of imagination; I bring reason to your ears, and, in language as plain as A, B, C, hold up truth to your eyes.

I thank God, that I fear not. I see no real cause for fear. I know our situation well, and can see the way out of it. While our army was collected, Howe dared not risk a battle; and it is no credit to him that he decamped from the White Plains, and waited a mean opportunity to ravage the defenseless Jerseys; but it is great credit to us, that, with a handful of men, we sustained an orderly retreat for near an hundred miles, brought off our ammunition, all our field pieces, the greatest part of our stores, and had four rivers to pass. None can say that our retreat was precipitate, for we were near three weeks in performing it, that the country might have time to come in. Twice we marched back to meet the enemy, and remained out till dark. The sign of fear was not seen in our camp, and had not some of the cowardly and disaffected inhabitants spread false alarms through the country, the Jerseys had never been ravaged. Once more we are again collected and collecting; our new army at both ends of the continent is recruiting fast, and we shall be able to open the next campaign with sixty thousand men, well armed and clothed. This is our situation, and who will may know it. By perseverance and fortitude we have the prospect of a glorious issue; by cowardice and submission, the sad choice of a variety of evils- a ravaged country- a depopulated city- habitations without safety, and slavery without hope- our homes turned into barracks and bawdy-houses for Hessians, and a future race to provide for, whose fathers we shall doubt of. Look on this picture and weep over it! and if there yet remains one thoughtless wretch who believes it not, let him suffer it unlamented.

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70 Responses to Is There Common Sense Left in America?

  1. Liberal1 (Objectivity) says: 1

    Common sense certainly doesn’t reside in the present day John Birch Society Tea Party Hyper-Right-Wing Conservatives that enter their thoughts on web sites like this one.

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  2. johngalt says: 2

    @Liberal1 (Objectivity):

    What is it with you and the JBS, Lib1? I’m wondering what they ever did to you to cause such angst and ire.

    My guess is that you don’t really know a thing about them, other than what you’ve read or heard on liberal/progressive sites. Kinda like your knowledge of the TEA party, which you learned from them as well. And none of which is based upon their actual positions.

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  3. Steiger says: 3

    @Liberal1 (Objectivity):

    Cold, miserable night in your mom’s basement, huh?

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  4. jlfintx says: 4

    I know many here think us people of faith are idiots, but you know what?

    We are not freaking out nearly like the rest of you are. It actually confirms many of my thoughts about where the world is right now, including this country.

    Now, let me also tell you I am not a quitter and unless God tells me or makes me quit, I carry on. (He is never spoken to me audibly either okay).

    Until many of you realize that this time on earth is temporary, maybe God will continue to try and get your attention. Why don’t you seek Him now so all of us don’t have to suffer with you?

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  5. johngalt says: 5

    @Liberal1 (Objectivity):

    Tell us, Lib1, these things;

    -Is it common sense for the union member to vote in favor of taking the wealth of those that would employ them?
    -Is it common sense for the black man to continue voting in favor for a certain party that continues to take them for granted, handing out only trinkets to pacify them while they continue to suffer under horrible unemployment the other races in this nation do not face?
    -Is it common sense for women to continue voting, in the same vein as blacks, receiving only trinkets to pacify them, and turning against those institutions with nothing but good will and an open heart towards all?
    -Is it common sense for the young to vote in favor of taking the wealth of those who might otherwise be their employers later in life, providing them with a good, decent wage that allows them to live a good life?
    -Is it common sense for anyone to vote in favor of the party whose whole purpose is winning at all costs, and purposely or not, dividing the country as has not been seen since the Civil War was ended?

    What common sense has been used by Obama and the Democratic Party in engaging in underhanded, nasty tactics, and then turn around and expect the same party they vilified for months to work so willingly with them?

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  6. Richard Wheeler says: 6

    CJ Long post. Should I read it?
    J.G. PLS give me a short GOOD, bad and the ugly on The JBS. THANKS

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  7. anticsrocks says: 7

    @Richard Wheeler: You said:

    Long post. Should I read it?

    I wouldn’t recommend it Rich. Don’t think you’d get the message that Paine was trying to deliver.

    See, it had to do with liberty. and freedom from tyranny; and it also had to do with sniveling sympathizers.

    While you may or may not be counted among them, we all know who the present day “Tories” are.
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  8. James Raider says: 8

    CJ, thank you for recalling this portion of “Common Sense,” a powerful inspiration to a ragged group of individuals who began the long march to freedom which would last 236 years and counting.

    Paine invoked Jeanne d’Arc, an illiterate, enigmatic teenager who is one of the most remarkable and compelling individuals in history. Her words, thoughts and visions became well documented 6 centuries ago. Mark Twain described her as “the most extraordinary person the human race has ever produced.”

    She altered history, but just as importantly Jeanne d’Arc provided evidence of realities still not understood in 2012. The cynicism stuck in purposely corrupted religious dogma which led to her being burned alive at the stake continues today, only today the cynicism is rooted in denial using lack of “empirical research” for justification. Payne had been touched by that powerful spirit, and brought it forward, energizing Washington’s troops.

    We might also underline and bring forward Payne’s entreaty, . . . . “If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace;” As the Nation stares down a $16 Trillion wall of debt, Payne’s words should be engraved on the steps of the White House and of the Capitol.

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  9. Budvarakbar says: 9

    @Richard Wheeler: Do your own research

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  10. JustAl says: 10

    No, there isn’t. It’s seeds, when present are beat out of those that bear them by schools and the burgeoning bureaucracy that permeates every aspect of American lift.

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  11. @Liberal1 (Objectivity) Do you get paid cash or a payroll check for every “unlike” you rack up?

    Being American in Amerika………Lest we forget, I remind us the Producers do not have to abdicate ownership and/or executorship of the fruits of their labors! You can kill America but not the American!
    http://offthefbwall.wordpress.com/2012/11/08/living-as-an-american-in-amerika-coming-to-a-store-near-you/

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  12. johngalt says: 12

    @Richard Wheeler:

    J.G. PLS give me a short GOOD, bad and the ugly on The JBS. THANKS

    I won’t give you my opinion of the JBS, Rich. You can figure that out for yourself, although my guess is that their underlying principle of less government and more personal freedom and responsibility won’t ring any bells with you. Especially if you prefer the Obamacare type “solutions” to the issues. Freedom and liberty is a strong motivational factor in all of their positions, starting with the smallest of minorities, the individual, on up to protecting America’s freedom and liberty from global concerns like the UN.

    As I said, you probably won’t agree with all of their positions. I’m betting, though, that you will agree with some of them. In any case, here is the link to their site;
    http://www.jbs.org/

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  13. johngalt says: 13

    CJ, Thomas Paine was a great citizen of these United States, at the founding and before. His rallying cries, via small published works such as Common Sense were a large part as to why we, as a nation, ultimately became established with freedom from the oppressive British monarchy of the time.

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  14. drjohn says: 14

    No

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  15. kevino says: 15

    RE: “We have an executive branch that succeeded in polarizing.”

    Yes, and the polarization is between the “takers” and the “makers”. The issue before us is whether or not the country has surpassed the tipping point between those they will use the State to take what it wants from those that produce. I don’t believe that we are there quite yet, but it’s very close — certainly close enough to tip the scales in this election. Most Americans (about 65%) believe that the country is on the wrong path, but most voted to stay on that path. Most families in America receive direct payments from the State. Many young people actually believe that Socialism works. (Those that do not learn the lessons of history are just plain stupid.)

    “A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations has been 200 years.”

    ― Alexis de Tocqueville

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  16. another vet says: 16

    CJ- Good post. To answer the question of the thread title- about 49%. As for the “American Crisis”, when Thomas Paine wrote it, roughly a third of the population were Tories. Unfortunately now the figure is around 51%.

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  17. D says: 17

    OK, I agree

    Lets march on Trenton

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  18. Skookum says: 18

    CJ, we needed this voice from the past. Giants walked this nation back then. All we can do now is look up to them for guidance. Thank you, I’ve read parts, but never the whole piece. It will give me sustenance during the hardships ahead. Keep safe my friend.

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  19. anticsrocks says: 19

    @Richard Wheeler: Well Rich, did you get the idea that Paine was trying to articulate?

    C’mon, humor me.

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  20. wildbill says: 20

    All I can say is our great forefathers are turning over in their graves.They gave much for this once great nation.

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  21. Richard Wheeler says: 21

    C.J. AND ANTICSROCKS An inspiring read. With Veteran’s Day approaching it reminded me how proud and grateful I am to have had the opportunity to serve this great country in combat as an Officer of Marines. The world’s greatest fighting force.

    Semper Fi May God Bless and Protect our Patriots

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  22. anticsrocks says: 22

    @Richard Wheeler: And the part about fighting against tyranny, what? Just completely slipped by you?

    In many ways, we are in the same position as our Founding Fathers; for we are fighting against a soft tyranny. There are too many examples of this, and if you really need me to, I can provide sources. The left’s push towards socialism has been on the march since Wilson in 1912.

    What happened in this election is that the left won because 3 million of the GOP base stayed home. They sent a powerful message, one that I hope and pray the GOP takes notice of: NO MORE MODERATE CANDIDATES!!!

    Thomas Paine would feel the same today as he did in his time, towards a government that is powerful enough to:

    * dictate the type of light bulb you use
    * the type of toilet you put in your home
    * the mileage that your car has to get
    * whether or not you can cut down a tree on your own property
    * etc…
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  23. Richard Wheeler says: 23

    Thank God we live in a Democracy where our citizens have the right and the OBLIGATION to vote for their leaders. Patriots have fought and died to protect that right.
    If Conservs, didn’t vote you got what you deserve. Didn’t you?

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  24. anticsrocks says: 24

    @Richard Wheeler: Thank you for answering my question.

    You did in fact NOT understand what Paine was writing about.

    And yes, Rich – elections have consequences.

    Why is it that you like Obama so much?

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  25. Richard Wheeler says: 25

    Anticsrocks I understand perfectly what Paine was talking about.

    I voted for Obama because I’m a Dem. and believe in the principles of the Dem Party. I’ve discussed this at length before. As you know, I also like Romney and only decided for sure in the last few days.
    I’ve voted in every election since 1968. If you don’t vote you shouldn’t complain.

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  26. Smorgasbord says: 26

    @johngalt: #2
    Maybe he is afraid of losing all of obama’s free stuff.

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  27. Smorgasbord says: 27

    CJ,
    I have often wondered if one reason for the high suicide rate is that the dedicated soldiers feel they aren’t getting the support and respect from their commander-and-chief and congress that they should be getting. Obama wants your medical insurance to cover your medical bills. He didn’t know how to pronounce, “Navy corpsman.” He wouldn’t call the Ft. Hood shooting a terrorist act. He wants to reduce the size of our military. I’m sure you can come up with a bunch more. The politicians can always come up with hundreds of millions of dollars for their pet projects, but you all have to fight for your funding.

    The military should get their money FIRST, then the rest of the government gets theirs. Without people like you going “over there” so we don’t have to fight over here, we wouldn’t have a free USA.

    As I put in every letter that I write to soldiers:
    THANK YOU FOR KEEPING THE PAYMENTS UP ON THE FREEDOMS YOUR PREDECESSORS BOUGHT FOR US!!!

    George Washington and his band made the purchase. All of you after him are making the payments.

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  28. another vet says: 28

    @Smorgasbord: Don’t forget their unrelenting “commitment” to see to it that the military received their ballots. I’m sure those efforts were equal to or greater than those that were made to reliable members of his constituency including those who weren’t eligible to vote.

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  29. another vet says: 29

    @anticsrocks:

    What happened in this election is that the left won because 3 million of the GOP base stayed home. They sent a powerful message, one that I hope and pray the GOP takes notice of: NO MORE MODERATE CANDIDATES!!!

    At least they could have turned out and voted for those running for Congress. It would have expanded the House majority and possibly gained the Senate. The RNC couldn’t manage a kid’s party at Kiddieland in MacDonalds. Of course we would still have the low standards 50% of the American people have. There was a time when someone running for re-election with a record as bad as Obama’s would have lost by a landslide.

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  30. anticsrocks says: 30

    @Richard Wheeler: Um, okay. Now why is it you like Obama so much?

    His out of control spending?

    His total lack of transparency?

    His inane pandering, i.e. to the Gay lobby.

    Maybe you prefer his “tough” stance on foreign policy.

    From al-Qaida’s leader, Ayman al-Zawahiri:

    The Sept. 11 terrorist attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi signals American weakness in the Middle East, according to al-Qaida’s leader Ayman al-Zawahiri.

    “They were defeated in Iraq and they are withdrawing from Afghanistan, and their ambassador in Benghazi was killed and the flags of their embassies were lowered in Cairo and Sana’a, and in their places were raised the flags of tawhid [monotheism] and jihad,” Zawahiri said in an audio address.

    Zawahiri directed his address to Shabaab, al Qaida’s affiliate in Somalia. He credited al-Qaida for three attacks on U.S. embassies, according to a published translation of the message.

    Their awe is lost and their might is gone and they don’t dare to carry out a new campaign like their past ones in Iraq and Afghanistan,” said Zawahiri. – Source

    I mean I’m just wondering what you could point to that would be considered a positive accomplishment of Obama’s?
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  31. Smorgasbord says: 31

    @another vet: #28
    They also said they would be the most transparent administration in history. They were right. Any open minded person can see right through them.

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  32. retire05 says: 32

    @anticsrocks:

    Why would Richard be able to articulate anything he likes about Obama? Richard thinks we are a democracy.
    I guess Richard doesn’t know what a democracy is.

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  33. Richard Wheeler says: 33

    Retire o5 Quite simply we are both a Representative Democracy and a Republic
    A Representative Democracy has elected people representing a group of people
    A Republic can be ANY form of government that is not a Monarchy

    You folks are gonna get mighty tired and frustrated spending another four years blasting this Admin.
    ODS is progressive and quite often terminal.

    I like the two appointments BHO has made to the Supreme Court and look forward to one or two more over the next 4 years.
    I appreciate his fight for improved health care for all and particularly coverage for those with pre-existing conditions.
    Getting Bin laden and more importantly no terrorist attacks of any significance on American soil. Repubs also get credit.
    I see an improving economy a Real Estate market up this past year and a stock market up 40% since he took office.
    I like the guy personally.A well educated ,articulate gentleman,with a great family.

    Don’t get me wrong. I give him no better than a B- in overall performance.Think Moderate Mitt a good pick but as mentioned I’m not sure we wouldn’t see right wing Mitt of the Fla. primary

    Gotta note that as a Dem. glad to see the Senate hold at 53-47 one better than my predicted 52-48. I also projected Repubs to gain 4-6 House seats and that popular vote winner would get less than 51%.

    Happy Birthday Marines 11/10
    Thank you Vets 11/11

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  34. what is needed now is for the REPUBLIC to give the DEMS
    A LESSON THEY WILL NEVER FORGET,
    take all the red of the map, and get together as a force and freak them up,
    it’s the power of the STATES TO TALK NOW, THEY ARE THE MAJORITY ON THE MAP,
    THEY ARE THE SMARTEST AND LESS CORRUPT, THAT LAST ONE WORK TO THEIR LOST, BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO FIGHT THE DEVIL ON HIS OWN GROUND, BY FREAKING HIM ,
    JUST TELL HIM HE IS LEFT WITH THE CROWD THAT VOTE HIM UP,
    AND YOU ARE FREE.
    READ THE CONSTITUTION the bill of right and the commerce clause and learn again how they wrote it,
    and for you the states not for the federal. and claim what you own before they sell it to foreigners,
    let it be the MAKERS for their children,
    and the taker for themselve,because they abort there are no children

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  35. retire05 says: 35

    @Richard Wheeler:

    No, Rich, we are a representative republic. Not a democracy. I have never heard the term “representive democracy” before. Just make that up?

    Well, thank God we have a wise Latina on the bench. I mean, the damn Superdome couldn’t hold that woman’s ego. And wow! Haven’t we come a long way when affirmative action can be applied to the Supreme Court appointments. Kagen is just as bad, if not worse. But hell, the Democrats supported the appointment of a former KKK member to the Supreme Court. Why should things change?

    Well, I am glad you like universal health care. Russia tried it in the 1800′s. It was an unmitigated disaster. But then, people like you always claim that the only reason socialism/communism/other isms haven’t worked before is because the right people were not in charge of implementing the “change.”

    Getting bin Laden. Easy call. No terrorist attacks on American soil. Ummmm, let me think? Fort Hood ring a bell with you, dimwit? Oh, I get it; the deaths of 13 Americans on their own home soil, and the largest military base in the nation, to boot, is of no significance to you. Got it.

    Improving real estate market? Perhaps. DJIA- check it lately, the last two days have been a bitch.

    Well, golly gee, Bubba; I am so glad you like Obama personally. Spend many hours bar-b-quing with him, do ya? How the hell do you know if you like him personally or not? How do you know if you like someone you’ve never met? That has got to be one of the dumbest things you have ever said.

    Yeah, old Crazy Joe did say that Obama was “clean and articulate.” But then, so was Benedict Arnold. And Aldridge Ames. And Jimmy Carter.

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  36. Richard Wheeler says: 36

    Retireo5 Representative Democracy is exactly what we are . Look it up.
    Since we are not a Monarchy we are most certainly a Republic.
    Never met you but It certainly doesn’t keep me from personally disliking you.

    Note it’s not because you’re a self described “old white woman” It’s your other self evident unattractive qualities.

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  37. anticsrocks says: 37

    @Richard Wheeler: You said:

    I like the two appointments BHO has made to the Supreme Court and look forward to one or two more over the next 4 years.

    That scares the hell out of me. His picks so far have been very far left and being that you are such a moderate, Rich I am sure you will agree that “extremism” is a bad thing.

    I appreciate his fight for improved health care for all and particularly coverage for those with pre-existing conditions.

    *sigh* Same old crap Rich. Obamacare isn’t about health care, or improving coverage or bringing down costs. It is about control. Tell all the folks who are being let go, laid off and downsized because Obama got re-elected and Obamacare is, for now, here to stay.

    Getting Bin laden and more importantly no terrorist attacks of any significance on American soil. Repubs also get credit.

    No attacks on American soil? Ft. Hood is no longer part of American soil? Our embassies around the world are not our own sovereign soil? No attacks? Tell that to the families of the 14 people killed by Nadal Hasan. No attacks? Tell that to the families of Ambassador Christopher Stevens, Sean Smith, Glen Doherty and Tyrone Woods.

    Rich you sometimes come across like an articulate, well liked guy. Then you open your mouth and say the dumbest things, or in this case, type the dumbest things.

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  38. Richard Wheeler says: 38

    Anticsrocks You’ve said some pretty dumb things yourself.
    You’re attachment to Rove and your election predictions. Embarrassing.
    But hey. Nobody’s perfect.

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  39. Smorgasbord says: 39

    @retire05: #35
    I have heard the USA called a democratic-republic. We elect our representatives democratically by having the ones with the most votes go to Washington DC, then we switch to the republican way of having our elected officials vote for us.

    I usually ask people to say the Pledge Of Allegiance, then ask them what kind of government they pledged allegiance to. It is interesting to see their face when they realize this. Then I explain why the propaganda media calls the USA a democracy.

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  40. anticsrocks says: 40

    @Richard Wheeler: You are slow, aren’t you Rich. You accused me of parroting Rove’s predictions once already. Thought I cleared that up. Evidently you didn’t take my word for it when I told you that I arrived at my prediction by viewing the polls and weighting them with the averages of the last four elections, not last four POTUS elections, but every two years going back to ’04.

    I also freely admitted up front on the first thread after the elections that I was wrong.

    You know Rich, it is odd. I have noticed something about you. Seems you have a problem answering direct questions. After your little laundry list of Obama’s “accomplishments,” I called into question three of them, and asked you about them. Yet you instead try to come back and make a sad effort at an ad hominem on me.

    In my comment, #37 I asked you a few questions, but you failed to address them.

    Now as for my incorrect prediction, I will attempt to tell you where I think I went wrong. (Notice how I’m not running away from this after you brought it up, Rich. Take notes, you might wanna try this sometime.)

    Romney garnered fewer votes than McCain did last go round, about 3 million fewer. So that means that since he was polling so high with independents and young Caucasian folks (18 – 29), it seems the GOP base stayed home. They saw no reason to get up and vote for Mitt. He was not my first choice, nor my second or third. In order I liked Cain, Bachmann and Gingrich, but since they were weeded out, I threw my full support behind Romney. Now I had no expectations that he was the second coming of Reagan, however I think that had he gotten elected, his propensity at problem solving would have helped turn our country around and given us a good footing to get a real Conservative in there in 4 or 8 years.

    The problem is, 3 million fewer folks felt as I did – that he was the vastly lesser of two evils so they stayed home. That gave us Obama for four more long, miserable years.

    Had the GOP turnout even been only what it was for McCain, then my predictions would have been pretty close to spot on.

    There, I ‘splained myself. You should try defending your positions once in a while.

    It’s easy, just start by answering my questions in #37.

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  41. anticsrocks
    on your 30
    that’s what OBAMA has succeeded to create, in four years,
    so many AMERICANS KILLED AND SO MANY AMERICANS WOUNDED,
    with his RULE OF ENGAGEMENT, he did it himself,
    and change the projected vision of AMERICA AT THE WORLD STAGE,
    WHAT DO YOU CALL THAT?
    he change the vision of AMERICA WITHIN AMERICA EVEN MORE,
    that’s why he had people who would do anything, I say anything to get him re-elected,
    he had the money to pay out of your pocket, he had borrowed money to pay, he had money from his crowd of haters, he had money from the unions, he had money from his promises, he had money from the world who fear him and wanted to appease him in case he win,
    HE BOUGHT THE ELECTION,

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  42. Richard Wheeler says: 42

    Anticsrocks Your predictions were dead wrong. Your explanation for the loss. Conservatives stayed home. DON’T BUY IT. Main reason for defeat was BHO getting 71% of an increased Latino vote. Can we all say “self deportation” uttered by right wing Mitt in Fl. primary. Cost him Fl. and tightened race in Va.,Co, Nev. and Ohio.
    Agree attacks at Fort Hood and Benghazi were on American soil.

    BTW As you know BHO won by over 2.6 million votes and won EVERY state he’d won in 2008 except Ind. and N.C. 303-206 More decisive than what I’d predicted and not in your ballpark.
    You make a point Romney was polling higher with “young Caucasian folks’ . He also polled higher with “young African American folks.”

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  43. CJ says: 43

    @Richard Wheeler: You don’t have to buy it. Facts are facts. Millions of republicans and conservatives stayed home and didn’t vote this year. Would that have helped Romney? To some degree, probably. Why does Obama get such a high Latino vote? Could it be that BHO is promising them everything for free? Come to America. Don’t worry about conforming to American values, I’ll make sure the government takes care of you. If you came illegally, just stick around long enough and your illegal activity will pay off. I’ll pay for your kids to go to college. I’ll buy your eggs, corn, and milk. You just have to vote Democrat.

    What has Obama done that earned the Latino vote besides promise them government programs and money? “Gee, should I vote for Romney who expects me to do the right thing and leave a country I entered illegally and then work hard to become an American, or do I vote for Obama who will just give to me effortlessly?” And if you tell me that illegals aren’t voting, we will never know will we? The Democrats have worked tirelessly to ban voter ID laws as much as possible. Besides, they given amnesty to so many already that are already voting to bring more of their family into the fold.

    The fact is that is Obama convinced the ignorant masses that Romney hates women, hated Latinos, hated blacks, hated minorities, hated the elderly, etc. And the idiots bought it hook, line and sinker. None of it is true, but when your message is that you’re going to create an environment where anyone and everyone can succeed if they put forth the effort but you live in a society that for the past four years has taught you that the government will take care of you if you just sit there with your thumb in your mouth.

    BHO has succeeded in created a more government-dependent society over the past four years and it showed in the polls. Eventually, the rest of us that work for our money and benefits will get tired of supporting the lazy and dependent (and I’m not talking about elderly and disabled, so don’t even go there. You KNOW exactly who I’m talking about.).

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  44. CJ says: 44

    @Richard Wheeler: Oh and more good news. Puerto Rico has voted for statehood. That will be another dependency class state in the Democrat column. It’s a virtual third-world nation.

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  45. Richard Wheeler says: 45

    C.J Just a thought that SUPPORTS yours and Anticsrocks low turnout theory.
    Maybe the Base–the evangelical Christians– stayed home cause they still think Mormonism is a cult.
    “The Bradley Effect” at work.
    As mentioned before, they are a primary reason I vote Dem.

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  46. CJ
    yes you say things better than other, when will a MILITARY TAKE THE PRESIDENCY TO RESTORE
    DECENCY AND REAL AMERICAN VALUES.
    YOU WOULD BE AT HOME THERE, BECAUSE THERE IS A WAR TO FIGHT WITHIN AMERICA,
    and as a leader in the WAR ZONE NOW FOR MANY YEARS, YOU CAPTURE THE RIGHT STRATEGY TO WIN THE WAR IN THIS AMERICA, SO TO BRING PEACE AMONG ALL AMERICANS, AND RETURN THE CONSTITUTION AS SHE WAS WRITTEN CENTURIES AGO AND STILL FIT IN, TO THE RIGHT LEADERSHIP
    WHO HAVE THE ABILITY AND THE COURAGE TO APPLY IT,
    NO ONE BUT A MILITARY WHO SAW THE ENEMY IN THE FACE, AND FOUGHT IT, AND ALMOST DIED FROM IT MANY YEARS IN COMBAT
    ONLY CAN BE DESERVING OF THE SEAT IN THE WHITE HOUSE,
    WE HAVE THE PROOF NOW, AT BIG COST WILL AMERICA LEARN IT.
    NOW THEY WANT TO DESTROY THE CONSTITUTION,
    BECAUSE IT’S IN THEIR WAY.
    SO THIS MATTER IS OF MOST URGENCY

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  47. THE MARKET IS DANGEROUSLY MINUS A LOT,
    THE ECONOMIC CLIFF COMING IN ONE MONTH,
    OBAMA DUNNO WHAT TO DO except take it from the RICH
    which will lose many jobs, HE ASK THE OPPONENT FOR HELP,
    WHY IS THE OPPONENT NOT IN THE JOB TO FIX IT,
    WHY DOES HE HAVE TO HELP A WINNER WHO DUNNO,
    WHAT IS HE DOING THERE ANYWAY,
    it’s upside down, the servant has the seat of the leader.

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  48. anticsrocks says: 48

    @ilovebeeswarzone: Of course he did Beezy, but sadly he isn’t the first to do it. That is politics, after all.

    I read a piece in a local paper about an article published during the election of 1860 about Abraham Lincoln’s activities on the day of the election. He spent it in Springfield, IL and as was fashionable in that day, he did no campaigning. In fact, candidates were asked not to campaign that much for fear they would make statements on the campaign that would be construed as promises they later might not keep. LOL

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  49. anticsrocks says: 49

    @Richard Wheeler: I wasn’t trying to convince you, Rich. Whether you believe it or not is on you. Had Romney got the same voter turnout McCain had, he’d be POTUS right now and you’d be all upset.

    The GOP base stayed home in numbers big enough that I pray the muckity-mucks in leadership take notice and stop giving us mushy candidates. As much as I like Mitt Romney, he is no Conservative. Would his turn around abilities and leadership skills stop our country’s fall towards socialism? Yes, I believe they’d be a step in the right direction, but at the end of the day, he is a moderate, NOT a Conservative.

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  50. anticsrocks says: 50

    @Richard Wheeler: You vote Democrat because you believe in a top down, autocratic, heavy-handed, authoritarian, centralized government.

    Just my opinion.

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