7 Nov

Is There Common Sense Left in America?

                                       

This is a long post, but in light of current political situation it benefits those that take the time to read it. No doubt many people are waking up today and wondering what has become of our nation. I’m there myself. I’ve often said that if President Obama were re-elected, I would have to do an extra two years in the military because I want someone else signing my retirement certificate. Today, I just can’t see that happening either. I find myself increasing looking at either early retirement or going ahead with the medical retirement I’ve been hoping to avoid.

But, then the patriot side of my psyche takes over. When I faced my first re-enlistment over 12 years ago, I seriously contemplated getting out of the Army. I wasn’t happy then with the state of leadership I witnessed in my peer and seniors. There were some standout people that I looked to as role models, but they tended to be the exception rather than the rule.

Over time, that has changed for the better and for worse as those things tend to do. There are still many great leaders in the military, but I they are becoming fewer and farther between in my opinion. This is evidenced, I think, by the continuing problem with suicides in the military. We simply aren’t taking care of our troops.

But, then I got to thinking about the challenges our nation faced in the early years of our fledgling republic. It was Christmas night in 1776 and next day would mark Washington’s famous crossing of the Delaware River. On the banks of the Delware about nine miles from Trenton, Washing was encamped with his troops preparing for a surprise offensive. Washington held out hope that this offensive would save his position as general and invigorate his troops. His troops were exhausted and the cold weather was weighing on morale. There was no supply of winter clothing or refuge from the winter that had turned oppressively cold. The British were beating them battle after battle. Washington himself faced the prospect of being replaced by a Congress that wasn’t at all impressed with him.

Washington pulled his officers together and ordered them to read “The American Crisis” by Thomas Paine. Paine wrote this motivational essay on the back of a drumhead while he was embedded with Washington’s troops. He was a passionate writer and believed in the ideals that America was trying to create. In spite of the negativity and pessimism that overwhelmed him, he believed in a higher purpose. The following day, those Soldiers scored a small victory at the Battle of Trenton that emboldened the troops and injected doubt into the minds of the redcoats.

Today, we face a similar potential crisis. Americans are growingly pessimistic. Patriots are angered and confused over last night’s presidential election results. There is a feeling of impending doom as we face a looming “fiscal cliff,” hollowed out military, and overly intrusive federal government. We have an executive branch that succeeded in polarizing the nation to such degrees that there was talk of violence over the election results.

So, for my benefit and the benefit of other patriots out there, I want to repeat Washington’s motivational strategy to rally the troops and bolster our spirits. The future is certain to be paved with policies that would appear to doom our nation. Washington overcame extreme adversity at a time when it appeared the American experiment would never see the light the day. Today, we may believe that the American experiment is about to experience total and utter destruction.

In light of that, I ask that you read “The American Crisis” again today. I believe in these words and they provided me with a much-needed refocus. I’ve highlighted a few passages I believe are particularly important to read. Perhaps we are at the point where, as Paine so eloquently puts it, “”If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace…” Maybe we must suffer these days in order to awaken the people to make the nation a better place for our children.

THE AMERICAN CRISIS, by Thomas Paine

THESE are the times that try men’s souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as FREEDOM should not be highly rated. Britain, with an army to enforce her tyranny, has declared that she has a right (not only to TAX) but “to BIND us in ALL CASES WHATSOEVER,” and if being bound in that manner, is not slavery, then is there not such a thing as slavery upon earth. Even the expression is impious; for so unlimited a power can belong only to God.

Whether the independence of the continent was declared too soon, or delayed too long, I will not now enter into as an argument; my own simple opinion is, that had it been eight months earlier, it would have been much better. We did not make a proper use of last winter, neither could we, while we were in a dependent state. However, the fault, if it were one, was all our own*; we have none to blame but ourselves. But no great deal is lost yet. All that Howe has been doing for this month past, is rather a ravage than a conquest, which the spirit of the Jerseys, a year ago, would have quickly repulsed, and which time and a little resolution will soon recover.

* The present winter is worth an age, if rightly employed; but, if lost or neglected, the whole continent will partake of the evil; and there is no punishment that man does not deserve, be he who, or what, or where he will, that may be the means of sacrificing a season so precious and useful.

I have as little superstition in me as any man living, but my secret opinion has ever been, and still is, that God Almighty will not give up a people to military destruction, or leave them unsupportedly to perish, who have so earnestly and so repeatedly sought to avoid the calamities of war, by every decent method which wisdom could invent. Neither have I so much of the infidel in me, as to suppose that He has relinquished the government of the world, and given us up to the care of devils; and as I do not, I cannot see on what grounds the king of Britain can look up to heaven for help against us: a common murderer, a highwayman, or a house-breaker, has as good a pretence as he.

‘Tis surprising to see how rapidly a panic will sometimes run through a country. All nations and ages have been subject to them. Britain has trembled like an ague at the report of a French fleet of flat-bottomed boats; and in the fourteenth [fifteenth] century the whole English army, after ravaging the kingdom of France, was driven back like men petrified with fear; and this brave exploit was performed by a few broken forces collected and headed by a woman, Joan of Arc. Would that heaven might inspire some Jersey maid to spirit up her countrymen, and save her fair fellow sufferers from ravage and ravishment! Yet panics, in some cases, have their uses; they produce as much good as hurt. Their duration is always short; the mind soon grows through them, and acquires a firmer habit than before. But their peculiar advantage is, that they are the touchstones of sincerity and hypocrisy, and bring things and men to light, which might otherwise have lain forever undiscovered. In fact, they have the same effect on secret traitors, which an imaginary apparition would have upon a private murderer. They sift out the hidden thoughts of man, and hold them up in public to the world. Many a disguised Tory has lately shown his head, that shall penitentially solemnize with curses the day on which Howe arrived upon the Delaware.

As I was with the troops at Fort Lee, and marched with them to the edge of Pennsylvania, I am well acquainted with many circumstances, which those who live at a distance know but little or nothing of. Our situation there was exceedingly cramped, the place being a narrow neck of land between the North River and the Hackensack. Our force was inconsiderable, being not one-fourth so great as Howe could bring against us. We had no army at hand to have relieved the garrison, had we shut ourselves up and stood on our defence. Our ammunition, light artillery, and the best part of our stores, had been removed, on the apprehension that Howe would endeavor to penetrate the Jerseys, in which case Fort Lee could be of no use to us; for it must occur to every thinking man, whether in the army or not, that these kind of field forts are only for temporary purposes, and last in use no longer than the enemy directs his force against the particular object which such forts are raised to defend. Such was our situation and condition at Fort Lee on the morning of the 20th of November, when an officer arrived with information that the enemy with 200 boats had landed about seven miles above; Major General [Nathaniel] Green, who commanded the garrison, immediately ordered them under arms, and sent express to General Washington at the town of Hackensack, distant by the way of the ferry = six miles. Our first object was to secure the bridge over the Hackensack, which laid up the river between the enemy and us, about six miles from us, and three from them. General Washington arrived in about three-quarters of an hour, and marched at the head of the troops towards the bridge, which place I expected we should have a brush for; however, they did not choose to dispute it with us, and the greatest part of our troops went over the bridge, the rest over the ferry, except some which passed at a mill on a small creek, between the bridge and the ferry, and made their way through some marshy grounds up to the town of Hackensack, and there passed the river. We brought off as much baggage as the wagons could contain, the rest was lost. The simple object was to bring off the garrison, and march them on till they could be strengthened by the Jersey or Pennsylvania militia, so as to be enabled to make a stand. We staid four days at Newark, collected our out-posts with some of the Jersey militia, and marched out twice to meet the enemy, on being informed that they were advancing, though our numbers were greatly inferior to theirs. Howe, in my little opinion, committed a great error in generalship in not throwing a body of forces off from Staten Island through Amboy, by which means he might have seized all our stores at Brunswick, and intercepted our march into Pennsylvania; but if we believe the power of hell to be limited, we must likewise believe that their agents are under some providential control.

I shall not now attempt to give all the particulars of our retreat to the Delaware; suffice it for the present to say, that both officers and men, though greatly harassed and fatigued, frequently without rest, covering, or provision, the inevitable consequences of a long retreat, bore it with a manly and martial spirit. All their wishes centred in one, which was, that the country would turn out and help them to drive the enemy back. Voltaire has remarked that King William never appeared to full advantage but in difficulties and in action; the same remark may be made on General Washington, for the character fits him. There is a natural firmness in some minds which cannot be unlocked by trifles, but which, when unlocked, discovers a cabinet of fortitude; and I reckon it among those kind of public blessings, which we do not immediately see, that God hath blessed him with uninterrupted health, and given him a mind that can even flourish upon care.

I shall conclude this paper with some miscellaneous remarks on the state of our affairs; and shall begin with asking the following question, Why is it that the enemy have left the New England provinces, and made these middle ones the seat of war? The answer is easy: New England is not infested with Tories, and we are. I have been tender in raising the cry against these men, and used numberless arguments to show them their danger, but it will not do to sacrifice a world either to their folly or their baseness. The period is now arrived, in which either they or we must change our sentiments, or one or both must fall. And what is a Tory? Good God! what is he? I should not be afraid to go with a hundred Whigs against a thousand Tories, were they to attempt to get into arms. Every Tory is a coward; for servile, slavish, self-interested fear is the foundation of Toryism; and a man under such influence, though he may be cruel, never can be brave.

But, before the line of irrecoverable separation be drawn between us, let us reason the matter together: Your conduct is an invitation to the enemy, yet not one in a thousand of you has heart enough to join him. Howe is as much deceived by you as the American cause is injured by you. He expects you will all take up arms, and flock to his standard, with muskets on your shoulders. Your opinions are of no use to him, unless you support him personally, for ’tis soldiers, and not Tories, that he wants.

I once felt all that kind of anger, which a man ought to feel, against the mean principles that are held by the Tories: a noted one, who kept a tavern at Amboy, was standing at his door, with as pretty a child in his hand, about eight or nine years old, as I ever saw, and after speaking his mind as freely as he thought was prudent, finished with this unfatherly expression, “Well! give me peace in my day.” Not a man lives on the continent but fully believes that a separation must some time or other finally take place, and a generous parent should have said, “If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace;” and this single reflection, well applied, is sufficient to awaken every man to duty. Not a place upon earth might be so happy as America. Her situation is remote from all the wrangling world, and she has nothing to do but to trade with them. A man can distinguish himself between temper and principle, and I am as confident, as I am that God governs the world, that America will never be happy till she gets clear of foreign dominion. Wars, without ceasing, will break out till that period arrives, and the continent must in the end be conqueror; for though the flame of liberty may sometimes cease to shine, the coal can never expire.

America did not, nor does not want force; but she wanted a proper application of that force. Wisdom is not the purchase of a day, and it is no wonder that we should err at the first setting off. From an excess of tenderness, we were unwilling to raise an army, and trusted our cause to the temporary defence of a well-meaning militia. A summer’s experience has now taught us better; yet with those troops, while they were collected, we were able to set bounds to the progress of the enemy, and, thank God! they are again assembling. I always considered militia as the best troops in the world for a sudden exertion, but they will not do for a long campaign. Howe, it is probable, will make an attempt on this city [Philadelphia]; should he fail on this side the Delaware, he is ruined. If he succeeds, our cause is not ruined. He stakes all on his side against a part on ours; admitting he succeeds, the consequence will be, that armies from both ends of the continent will march to assist their suffering friends in the middle states; for he cannot go everywhere, it is impossible. I consider Howe as the greatest enemy the Tories have; he is bringing a war into their country, which, had it not been for him and partly for themselves, they had been clear of. Should he now be expelled, I wish with all the devotion of a Christian, that the names of Whig and Tory may never more be mentioned; but should the Tories give him encouragement to come, or assistance if he come, I as sincerely wish that our next year’s arms may expel them from the continent, and the Congress appropriate their possessions to the relief of those who have suffered in well-doing. A single successful battle next year will settle the whole. America could carry on a two years’ war by the confiscation of the property of disaffected persons, and be made happy by their expulsion. Say not that this is revenge, call it rather the soft resentment of a suffering people, who, having no object in view but the good of all, have staked their own all upon a seemingly doubtful event. Yet it is folly to argue against determined hardness; eloquence may strike the ear, and the language of sorrow draw forth the tear of compassion, but nothing can reach the heart that is steeled with prejudice.

Quitting this class of men, I turn with the warm ardor of a friend to those who have nobly stood, and are yet determined to stand the matter out: I call not upon a few, but upon all: not on this state or that state, but on every state: up and help us; lay your shoulders to the wheel; better have too much force than too little, when so great an object is at stake. Let it be told to the future world, that in the depth of winter, when nothing but hope and virtue could survive, that the city and the country, alarmed at one common danger, came forth to meet and to repulse it. Say not that thousands are gone, turn out your tens of thousands; throw not the burden of the day upon Providence, but “show your faith by your works,” that God may bless you. It matters not where you live, or what rank of life you hold, the evil or the blessing will reach you all. The far and the near, the home counties and the back, the rich and the poor, will suffer or rejoice alike. The heart that feels not now is dead; the blood of his children will curse his cowardice, who shrinks back at a time when a little might have saved the whole, and made them happy. I love the man that can smile in trouble, that can gather strength from distress, and grow brave by reflection. ‘Tis the business of little minds to shrink; but he whose heart is firm, and whose conscience approves his conduct, will pursue his principles unto death. My own line of reasoning is to myself as straight and clear as a ray of light. Not all the treasures of the world, so far as I believe, could have induced me to support an offensive war, for I think it murder; but if a thief breaks into my house, burns and destroys my property, and kills or threatens to kill me, or those that are in it, and to “bind me in all cases whatsoever” to his absolute will, am I to suffer it? What signifies it to me, whether he who does it is a king or a common man; my countryman or not my countryman; whether it be done by an individual villain, or an army of them? If we reason to the root of things we shall find no difference; neither can any just cause be assigned why we should punish in the one case and pardon in the other. Let them call me rebel and welcome, I feel no concern from it; but I should suffer the misery of devils, were I to make a whore of my soul by swearing allegiance to one whose character is that of a sottish, stupid, stubborn, worthless, brutish man. I conceive likewise a horrid idea in receiving mercy from a being, who at the last day shall be shrieking to the rocks and mountains to cover him, and fleeing with terror from the orphan, the widow, and the slain of America.

There are cases which cannot be overdone by language, and this is one. There are persons, too, who see not the full extent of the evil which threatens them; they solace themselves with hopes that the enemy, if he succeed, will be merciful. It is the madness of folly, to expect mercy from those who have refused to do justice; and even mercy, where conquest is the object, is only a trick of war; the cunning of the fox is as murderous as the violence of the wolf, and we ought to guard equally against both. Howe’s first object is, partly by threats and partly by promises, to terrify or seduce the people to deliver up their arms and receive mercy. The ministry recommended the same plan to Gage, and this is what the tories call making their peace, “a peace which passeth all understanding” indeed! A peace which would be the immediate forerunner of a worse ruin than any we have yet thought of. Ye men of Pennsylvania, do reason upon these things! Were the back counties to give up their arms, they would fall an easy prey to the Indians, who are all armed: this perhaps is what some Tories would not be sorry for. Were the home counties to deliver up their arms, they would be exposed to the resentment of the back counties who would then have it in their power to chastise their defection at pleasure. And were any one state to give up its arms, that state must be garrisoned by all Howe’s army of Britons and Hessians to preserve it from the anger of the rest. Mutual fear is the principal link in the chain of mutual love, and woe be to that state that breaks the compact. Howe is mercifully inviting you to barbarous destruction, and men must be either rogues or fools that will not see it. I dwell not upon the vapors of imagination; I bring reason to your ears, and, in language as plain as A, B, C, hold up truth to your eyes.

I thank God, that I fear not. I see no real cause for fear. I know our situation well, and can see the way out of it. While our army was collected, Howe dared not risk a battle; and it is no credit to him that he decamped from the White Plains, and waited a mean opportunity to ravage the defenseless Jerseys; but it is great credit to us, that, with a handful of men, we sustained an orderly retreat for near an hundred miles, brought off our ammunition, all our field pieces, the greatest part of our stores, and had four rivers to pass. None can say that our retreat was precipitate, for we were near three weeks in performing it, that the country might have time to come in. Twice we marched back to meet the enemy, and remained out till dark. The sign of fear was not seen in our camp, and had not some of the cowardly and disaffected inhabitants spread false alarms through the country, the Jerseys had never been ravaged. Once more we are again collected and collecting; our new army at both ends of the continent is recruiting fast, and we shall be able to open the next campaign with sixty thousand men, well armed and clothed. This is our situation, and who will may know it. By perseverance and fortitude we have the prospect of a glorious issue; by cowardice and submission, the sad choice of a variety of evils- a ravaged country- a depopulated city- habitations without safety, and slavery without hope- our homes turned into barracks and bawdy-houses for Hessians, and a future race to provide for, whose fathers we shall doubt of. Look on this picture and weep over it! and if there yet remains one thoughtless wretch who believes it not, let him suffer it unlamented.

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70 Responses to Is There Common Sense Left in America?

  1. facebkwallflower says: 51

    @anticsrocks, The GOP did not stay home in large numbers. The GOP do not stay home from election. Dictators and Regimes do not lose elections.

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  2. Richard Wheeler says: 52

    C.J, AND Anticsrocks I am interested in your thoughts on my#45 as reason for “low Conservative turnout’

    C.J, As a Mormon, do you think that it’s possible Evangelicals haven’t turned the corner on this issue.Lest we forget they cost Romney the nomination in o8. Thanks

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  3. Tom says: 53

    @CJ:

    What has Obama done that earned the Latino vote besides promise them government programs and money?

    Could it be that he treats them like people and not criminals? Perhaps that he acknowledges them as sentient beings with aspirations and agendas and not – your label here – as “ignorant masses”? You rage about women, Latinos, blacks not voting Republican and you ask “why?”, all the while your obvious contempt for them (not as people, but at voting blocks) being the answer.

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  4. Tom says: 54

    @Tom:

    To Rich, CJ and all the veterans, THANK YOU for your service.

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  5. Rich Wheeler
    on your 45, you vote because ROMNEY IS A MORMON,
    YOU VOTE FOR AN ANTI AMERICAN JEREMY WHITE MINISTER
    WHERE OBAMA LEARN TO HATE, INSTEAD
    what a choice, and to claim it here on a CONSERVATIVE BLOG
    IS REFLECTING HOW YOUR SIDE IS AND HAS BROUGHT THE YOUNG PEOPLE TO BELIEVE WHAT IS WRONG IN THIS COUNTRY IS OKAY, AS LONG AS IT’S ACCEPTED BY OBAMA AND THE DEMS,
    JUST TAKE ONE REFERENCE ON THE OWLS AND OCCUPIERS, MENTALITY,
    TO TAKE OR BREAK, because it’s accepted by the GOVERNMENT,

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  6. ON 53
    THE CONSERVATIVES NEVER TREATED THE LATINOS AS BEING CRIMINAL, THIS MINDSET CAME FROM THE LIBS WHO COME HERE IN CONSERVATIVES BLOGS AND LEAVE THEIR SHIT AROUND ANY TIME THEY ARE NOT EXPOSED,
    THE LATINOS PROFITED MORE WITH THE GOP AND WHERE TOLD LIES
    FROM THE PROPAGANDA MACHINE AND HIS MEDIA,
    THE LATINOS WHERE SOLD A BILL OF LIES AND THEY BELIEVED IT
    AND TURN THEIR BACK ON A RIGHTEOUS MAN WITH THE SKILL TO PROVIDE JOBS FOR THE PEOPLE DESPERATLY TRYING,
    MITT ROMNEY LEFT HIS COMFORT TO COME AND HELP ,
    YOU ARE NOT WORTHY OF A GOOD LEADER,
    WELL YOU WANTED CRAP YOU GOT IT AND DESERVE IT EAT IT

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  7. CJ says: 57

    @Richard Wheeler: I think that evangelicals did turn the corner. I think people finally saw that Mormon isn’t some strange cult with demonic followers, but Christians just like they are.

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  8. CJ says: 58

    @Tom: But, they are criminals. They broke the law. Should we treat Nidal Hasan like a person? Should we treat Osama Bin Laden like a person? But, that’s a strawman argument on my part. Most illegal immigrants aren’t killing people.

    So, I would ask you a question since the pretext of your question is false: what has Romney done makes you say he DOESN”T treat Latinos like “people?”

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  9. Smorgasbord says: 59

    @Richard Wheeler: #52
    I don’t know if the propaganda media covered the story, but Fox News reported on voting machines magically turning Romney votes into obama votes. How many people didn’t notice, and how many machines didn’t get noticed? If George Bush were running again, and the machines turned votes against him, to him, what would you be saying about that?

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  10. anticsrocks says: 60

    @facebkwallflower: You can ignore the numbers if you wish to. After all, this is still, although barely, a free country.

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  11. anticsrocks says: 61

    @Richard Wheeler: His religion had little to do with it, Rich. Look at the voter turnout for him versus McCain. Romney was seen as too far from being a Conservative to garner support from the GOP base. Whether you like it or not, we still are a center-right country and do not like mushy moderates.

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  12. Richard Wheeler says: 62

    Lets see Anticsrocks says Conservatives stayed away from ” mushy Mitt” yet he personally voted for him as did most all F.A. Conservs. with Mata the exception.
    C.J. feels Conservs, and Evangelicals voted for Mitt
    Smorg the proud birther suggests maybe Conserv. vote was somehow converted to Obama.
    Can Ms. Bees be far behind?

    C.J. Maybe rather than Tom, you should ask some of the 71% of Latinos who DIDN’T vote for Mitt. “self deportation” uttered in Fl. primary comes to mind,:

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  13. CJ says: 63

    @Richard Wheeler: In typical liberal fashion, you attempt to take bits and pieces from different conversations and create a reality out of nothing. The passionate conservative DID stay because Mitt is by no means a conservative. He’s more of a moderate conservative and the further right Tea Party preferred not to vote for him or voted for Gary Johnson. My vote for Mitt was really a vote AGAINST Obama, but many conservatives didn’t feel comfortable even with that.

    The Republicans and Democrats have really become two sides of the same coin. The difference is that Democrats leads down the path destruction at a much faster pace than today’s Republicans. Republicans these days are just as much big-government loving hypocrites. It is for that reason that I remain an independent libertarian (little “L”). As long as we continue to get “liberal light” in GOP candidates, we will continue to lose elections. We learned our lesson with George W. Bush and won’t do that again. Until we get a Cain or Santorum or Alan West in there, we can expect the Democrats to hold the White House for years to come.

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  14. anticsrocks says: 64

    @Richard Wheeler: I want to ask you a question, Rich and I mean no disrespect by it; but have you always been a pompous ass?

    I could give a rat’s ass if you believe me or not, the numbers and data are there for you to dig through, although doing so would shine a different light on your own personal “reality” so I know you won’t bother.

    CJ nailed it when he said, ” My vote for Mitt was really a vote AGAINST Obama, but many conservatives didn’t feel comfortable even with that.”

    I mean I don’t get it, are you seriously wondering why Mitt didn’t win, or are you just trying to happily rub our noses in the fact that your savior got re-elected? Because if you’re just dong the latter, then it speaks volumes about your character.
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  15. Richard Wheeler says: 65

    Anticsrocks I’m not trying to rub your nose in anything. Try dealing with reality for once–335-203 and a loss by over 2.5 million votes. Decisive
    I don’t really care why he lost. “Opinions are like–everybody has one” Gingrich says “respect the victor and learn from the loss.”
    As “An Officer and a Gentleman”—by act of Congress –I’ll skip my personal thoughts on you.

    Have a nice day

    C.J. Do you SERIOUSLY believe Cain,West or Santorum would have won?

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  16. anticsrocks says: 66

    @Richard Wheeler: I am dealing in reality, Rich. I know Obama won, I know Romney lost, but what bothers me is the way we on the right are smeared if we dare say anything about the vote fraud in Ohio. You know, the state where some precincts had 99% voter turn out and in some of those, the entire 99% went to Obama? Nah, there’s no voter fraud.

    Same thing happened in Florida.

    My reality is that now our country is headed down a fiscal path that will run this country into the ground, and people like you, Rich see absolutely nothing wrong with another four years of Obama.

    You turn a blind eye to:

    * his hiding of all his college and passport records
    * trillion dollar deficits (Bush gets blamed but in reality Bush handed him a $459 billion deficit, Obama tripled it)
    * apologizing for America as soon as he got into office
    * allowing four Americans to die on the anniversary of 9/11, then lying about what or why it happened
    * stepping all over the Constitution by declaring the Senate in recess when it wasn’t
    * ignoring the Constitution by doing end runs around Congress with EOs
    * covering up the details of Fast & Furious
    * Dodd-Frank
    * drilling ban in the Gulf even when a Federal judge ordered him not to
    * his EO forcing businesses who want federal contracts to disclose who they contribute to politically
    * forcing Obamacare through, then granting 2,000 waivers to it for businesses of his contributors

    I mean I could go on, but these are just the ones that pop into my head from memory, with a serial liar like Obama it is impossible to keep track of all of it.

    Rich, you come across as a somewhat intelligent person with a badly misguided sense of what is right and wrong. Speaking as a regular on this board for a while now, you are an agitator who loves to try and stir up arguments with your inane questions.

    Unless specifically pressed, you rarely defend your positions, instead choosing to cast aspersions on the rest of us.

    As far as your personal thoughts on me, don’t hide behind some sense of honor that you trot out when it suits you.

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  17. anticsrocks says: 67

    @Richard Wheeler: You said:

    Anticsrocks I’m not trying to rub your nose in anything. Try dealing with reality for once–335-203 and a loss by over 2.5 million votes. Decisive

    Uh, as usual Rich you are wrong. The EC count was 332 – 206 and the win was anything but decisive.

    I post this from an email I got from a close friend:

    …Dave Leips Atlas of Elections ( http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/11/us/politics/11tax.html), the data is more interesting than you think. And it ain’t about GOP voters staying home…

    Rather it’s about a lot of voters – including Dems – either staying home or not participating in the Presidential selection at least, Don.

    In 2008, 8.886 million more people voted in the election than in 2012. (all candidates).

    In 2008, Obama won with 52.87% of the popular vote, meaning 47.13% of voting Americans did not want Obama.

    In 2012, Obama won with 50.53% of the popular vote, meaning 49.47% of voting Americans did not want Obama. In fact, Obama lost 2.34% of his popularity in the reflected votes over the years. With the decline in popular support, he has even less a mandate now than in 2008, being as he is only .53% over the 50% mark here. Pretty dang slim for a mandate, when viewing the popular vote.

    Now let’s look at just GOP and Dem voters who did not vote (at least for President), but voted in 2008.

    Obama’s total vote count is down 7,560,313 (7.45 million). Mitt’s total vote count is down 1,298,752 (1.298 million) from McCain’s.

    That’s 8,859,085 difference between the two major parties between 2008 and 2012. The balance of 24,581 is the decline in 3rd party/other votes from 2008.

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  18. Richard Wheeler says: 68

    Anticsrocks I call B.S. on your voter fraud.I did the same to Kerry in 04. The results are in. Even with wins in Ohio and FL. Romney still loses.Enjoy those three extra E.C votes. Spin it all you want HE GOT CLOBBERED

    Keep bitchin and moaning.Hasn’t helped you one bit, Has it?
    Forget Romney, whose accepted this loss like the man he is. The more you whine and cry foul the bigger childish, sore loser YOU look like.

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  20. anticsrocks says: 69

    @Richard Wheeler: Obama wins by a half percent over 50 percent of the vote and you call that a clobbering?

    LOL You’re stretching it there, buddy.

    Calling me names might make you feel better but it doesn’t take away from the fact that you Dems whine about voter suppression yet when there is verifiable voter fraud you look the other way.

    Tell me again why you ignored all that Obama did? I made a partial list here.

    Should we take your silence on that list as your condoning what Obama did on Benghazi? Or that you condone his keeping all his college and passport records secret? I’m sure that had Bush done that you’d be among those calling for him to release his records.

    Come on Rich, for once just stand up for what you believe in.

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