7 Nov

At What Price Victory

                                       

Nearly fifty years ago, during my tour of America on a Triumph motorcycle, I stopped at a Civil War Museum and burial ground for Civil War soldiers in Northern Alabama. I’ve been a student of history, and this seemed to be a curious part of America’s history.

The museum was run by the Daughters Of The Confederacy. A group that dedicated themselves to their work and the history of the Civil War Era. Their dedication to the memory of The Lost Cause or War of Northern Aggression and to the heroes of the Confederacy was awe inspiring if not a little frightening to a Canadian teenager. I paid to attend a formal history lesson and was barraged with a mass of history from the Southern perspective.

I admired the ladies with their period dress and astounding command of historical facts. I was also spellbound, while listening to the stories, but I noted a slight inconsistency with the history lessons I had studied; in their versions of history, the South was always victorious.

I have always been considered more horse than man; so it was natural for me to study the great cavalry men of the Civil War period. I knew the accomplishments of Nathan Bedford Forrest well and since he had operated in this particular theater, the lady mentioned him several times in her lecture.

If Lee would have had a few more Generals like Forrest and Jackson, the South would have won the war; at least, this is my belief. Jackson was a trained military man and veteran of the War with Mexico, but Forrest was an anomaly. A slave trader and plantation owner, he became one of the greatest cavalry generals in the history of the world, with no formal training. I’ll not catalogue his exploits and accomplishments, but they are filed away behind the screen you are reading if you doubt me.

Now as much as I loved reading about the strategy and audacity of Forrest, even he would have been surprised at his accomplishments during our informal history lesson. It was an excellent lecture, just a little bit over the top. However, our instructor was such a good lecturer, she left me wanting to review my books back home to check up on my memory.

I would have never challenged her historical views; I could have listened to her for hours or even days. Eventually, a man from the North rudely interrupted her lecture, “Yea, but we whipped you.”

He didn’t look to be over 35 and certainly less than 120 years old, but I think he was referring collectively to the armies of the North and thus he included himself in the glory of their victory.

She never broke stride, “You whipped us, and have you been to Baltimore, Philadelphia, Chicago, Pittsburg, St. Louis, and Boston. I think you should visit those cities and then tour the South and then tell me who won the war.”

I have no way of knowing whether she made an impression on the rude man, but she made a lasting impression on me.

A few hours ago, President Obama won reelection. He gets to keep the jets and choppers, but I am afraid he will realize a hollow victory when he looks upon an electorate that is in desolation; a condition he fabricated during his term and campaign. He has a large percentage of the electorate that no longer trusts his motives or loyalties, especially after the Benghazi Debacle. For the first time in history, five hundred generals and admirals endorsed the challenger, instead of an incumbent president. This is just one step below a vote of no confidence from the military.

He can still preen and pose with the not so bright hens on The View, but in an historical context, this type of behavior is not presidential, but good enough for a majority of Americans. However, after 50 years, I have a fairly good understanding of the victory that the Daughter Of The Confederacy was talking about, and when reality settles in on Obama, he will also realize the hollowness of his victory.

About Skook

A professional horseman for over 40 years, Skook continues to work with horses. He is in an ongoing educational program, learning life's lessons from one of the world's greatest instructors, the horse. Skook has a personal website skooksjournal.com featuring his personal writings and historical novel type stories.
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99 Responses to At What Price Victory

  1. I think AMERICA LOST A GOOD MAN FOR PRESIDENT, HE WANTED TO GIVE HIS SKILL
    TO FIND JOBS FOR AMERICAN ,HE WAS GENUENE AND HAD THE ABILITY TO DO IT,
    HE DID NOT NEED THAT PRESIDENCY, HE DID NOT WANT THE GLORY, HEJUST FELL SO BAD TO SEE AMERICANS OUT OF WORK WHICH WHERE NOT THERE FOR THEM, HE KNEW HOW TO HELP PROVIDE IT AND SUBMIT HIS NAME AS A CANDIDATE, HE WAS VETTED HARD, BY THE WAY OBAMA IS STILL NOT VETTED, STILL DID NOT PROVE HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE IN THE USA,
    AND MITT WON THE PRIMARY AFTER HAVING BARE ALL TO THE AMERICANS AND VICIOUS JOURNALISTS, NOT EVERY BODY WOULD CONTINUE AFTER THAT, BUT HE STOOD TALL AND CONTINUE HIS QUEST FOR THE PRESIDENCY, WHILE THE PEOPLE DISCOVER THE REAL SELF
    MITT ROMNEY, AS A GEM TO BE MADE PRESIDENT, THEY KNEW HE DESERVED IT,
    AND IT WAS A RACE FOR THE GOOD MAN WHO REFUSE TO BECOME AS VICIOUS AS HIS OPONANT READY TO DISMEMBER HIS PERSON AND ACCUSE HIM OF MURDER AND THIEF AND NON AMERICAN, AND ANYTHING WENT TO DESTROY A GOOD MAN,
    WHICH SAW THE PEOPLE TAKE THE WORD OF OBAMA THE BAD ONE, AND HALF OF AMERICA ELECTED HIM, ON A SMALL MARGIN SOME VOTES STOLEN OR FRAUDULENT,OR NOT COUNTED.
    THE END, BUT THE PEOPLE MUST KNOW, THEIR LOST OF THE GOOD ONE,

    I just heard at FOX
    BOEING IS CUTTING 30% OF HIS BUSYNESS,

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  2. Skook says: 52

    JR, Obama has created enough disasters to drown four Republican presidents, but he is reelected. Let’s recap these egregious disasters, paying off cronies with stimulus funds, the Fast and Furious felonies and the murder of two federal agents and hundreds of foreign nationals, (that is a big one), Benghazi and the inactivity after arming our enemy (considered treason for you and me); yes, we have a variety of crimes considered impeachable offenses. Nearly all of them as serious as outing a CIA seat warmer whose neighbors knew she worked for the CIA. People, most of the employees of the CIA are analysts and the most dangerous thing they do is walk to the canteen to get coffee.

    It is the power of a complicit press that has kept Obama from being impeached and out of prison. This press that has been cooped by Democrats is a major enemy of freedom and justice.

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  3. Skook says: 53

    Bees, there are those who might chastise me for pulling up too soon on teaching you basic writing skills. I was worried about overloading you and sending you away. I saw in your radical sentence structures a unique ability to recognize the American concepts of freedom in a secondary language. I was impressed with your grasp of the concepts. It is obvious, many people in the world find the concepts too difficult and opt out for tyranny. Tyranny is easy to understand and most of the world has existed under a form of tyranny throughout history. Americans are too complacent and take the concepts and the Constitution for granted. Many will opt out for a benevolent dictator, rather than risk everything for a chance at success. The baubles of the twenty-first century is the fool’s gold, give them a smart phone and you can own them, you can feed, clothe, and house them with other people’s money, so owning them is a relative concept. Obama has the title without the responsibility. You saw through this tragedy and I admired your willingness to sift through these millions of words to arrive at a basic understanding of freedom, I salute you for a job well done, but your syntax and sentence structure still needs a little work.

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  4. SKOKUM
    YOUR ADVICES ARE PRICELESS FOR ME and I was kidding saying I’M perfect,
    I know I’m far from it,
    thank you for future advice also. I could never meet the standard you give us, but I will be forever trying and practicing here at FA
    bye

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  5. Skook says: 55

    Bees: Another lesson, compare and analyze.

    Skookum: Your advice is priceless, and I was kidding when I wrote, “I’m perfect.” I am far from perfect.

    Thank you for future advice as well. I will always be trying to improve my writing. I am grateful to be able to practice and learn at FA.

    Adios Amigo (Humor)

    If you try to improve and study sentence structure, you will improve. Remember, two of America’s greatest authors Hemingway and Mark Twain used the simple sentence. They were masters, but the simple sentence was their secret weapon. Bees, enjoy yourself and continue to learn; you already have one of the best attitudes on the internet.

    Bees, I am not an English professor, but I worked for one the other day. She has helped me a great deal with my writing and provided excellent resource materials. I find the process to be exciting, probably like you find your learning experience here at FA. I will suggest reading “For Whom The Bell Tolls”. I consider it to be the great American novel after “Huck Finn” and “Moby Dick.” If you read it to study sentence structure you will be a much stronger writer when you are finished, but I will warn you, it is a tear jerker.

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  6. About 50 years ago would be about 1962.
    Gee, what was happen’ in 1962.
    Sept 30 a mob attacks US Marshalls in Oxford (Town)
    Let’s try 1963.
    People sitting in on diners are jailed, including Dr. Martin L King Jr.
    Bull Conner is firehosing children and sending dogs to attack them.
    May 12 the KKK sets off firebombs in Birmingham.
    June 11 President Kennedy calls segregation a moral crisis.
    June 12th Medgar Evers is murdered.
    September 15 4 young girls are murdered by the KKK in a church in Birmingham by the use of a bomb.

    One could go on.
    What was the white Alabaman’s point? The blacks were better off being slaves? That they had a long way to go before they reach the standards of herself and her fellow Southerners?

    It seems the wrong impression was left on you.

    Oxford Town, Oxford Town
    Ev’rybody’s got their heads bowed down
    The sun don’t shine above the ground
    Ain’t a-goin’ down to Oxford Town

    He went down to Oxford Town
    Guns and clubs followed him down
    All because his face was brown
    Better get away from Oxford Town

    Oxford Town around the bend
    He come in to the door, he couldn’t get in
    All because of the color of his skin
    What do you think about that, my frien’?

    Me and my gal, my gal’s son
    We got met with a tear gas bomb
    I don’t even know why we come
    Goin’ back where we come from

    Oxford Town in the afternoon
    Ev’rybody singin’ a sorrowful tune
    Two men died ’neath the Mississippi moon
    Somebody better investigate soon

    Oxford Town, Oxford Town
    Ev’rybody’s got their heads bowed down
    The sun don’t shine above the ground
    Ain’t a-goin’ down to Oxford Town

    Read more: http://www.bobdylan.com/us/songs/oxford-town#ixzz2BaxJx9QJ

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  7. Skook says: 57

    Phillip, I think you might have skipped reading through the commentary. You should read #29. And if you read the article with perspicuity, you will notice there is no reference to slavery or to race. How unique of you to introduce race into an article that has nothing to do with race. It was stated in the article that the Daughters of the Confederacy dedicated themselves to the preservation of the Civil War Museum and to the graveyard of civil war soldiers. Does that mean they should sing a Bob Dylan ditty as part of their history lesson. If you even read the article, which I am inclined to doubt or perhaps I should at least call into question your comprehension ability, you should have noted that I am a student of the equine and of cavalries. This equine factor is what interests me, as well as the historical facts of the Civil War from the perspective of a Daughter of the Confederacy. I found her to be fascinating; excuse me if a Canadian teenager from the far North was unaware of racial strife in the South, but the article had nothing in common with those problems. These are your incidents, and I suggest you should write an article and illustrate your personal views. Perhaps you will get a lively response, but with your grasp of subject and indifference to the thrust of this article, I doubt if you can do little more than cut and paste silly little songs.

    Now the lady’s point is as easy for you to grasp as it was for me; for the quote in the story was all she said on the matter. Whether she was referring to the problems of the inner cities of North and South is as easy for you to grasp as me.

    Now if you want to read my personal views on slavery and racism, read through my posts and find those particular articles and come back with something worth while; otherwise, you seem to be little more than an emotionally charged idiot with nothing to say. If you want to discuss the article, let’s discuss this particular article and not the war in Viet Nam or the Kennedy assassination. If you think you can read more into a one sentence quote than was covered in the article, then we would like to hear your ideas, but anymore rudeness or stupidity will result in the flush cord being pulled. This is not a Lefty site with crude insults being thrown around for lack of an intelligent response. If you can’t keep up, don’t try, just go where you will be appreciated.

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  8. “No mention of slavery or race.”
    Amazing.
    Your ignorance of American history, especially race relations is severely lacking.
    A shame, because all the people I’ve met while my daughter rode weren’t idiots.
    Nor would I expect the lady to sing Oxford Town.
    She would choke on the lines:
    He went down to Oxford Town
    Guns and clubs followed him down
    All because his face was brown
    Better get away from Oxford Town

    Oxford Town around the bend
    He come in to the door, he couldn’t get in
    All because of the color of his skin
    What do you think about that, my frien’?

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  9. PhillipMarllowe
    your an arrogant little personage,
    there surely a way to make your sentence more classy,
    when you address my best AUTHOR,
    TRY IT

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  10. Skook says: 60

    Read the previous material or sound like a fool. Most of these people, including our resident Liberals have read my articles on race and slavery; perhaps that is why they aren’t here supporting your assertions, even the ones who hate me in particular aren’t supporting your accusations.

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  11. My “assertion” has to do with the lady and her comment having a racial undertone to it. If you believed I imparted racist intentions, please reread again.
    I’m glad to see that you dropped the sneering, disrespectful “idiot” talk. I’ll take the fool part, as it fits Patrick McGoohan’s lines to Leo McKern at the end of “Once Upon a Time.”
    As for people responding, the posts have been up barely 2 hours. I am sure that most readers are not sitting at their computers awaiting the next exploits of Shook as he shoots down another fool daring to cross his dusty trail.

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  12. Richard Wheeler says: 62

    Skooks You may well be “a far right fool” but a racist you are not.

    Semper Fi Marine

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  13. Skook says: 63

    Phillip, it is easy enough for anyone who knows the basic craft of writing to compose a politically correct piece, we read, hear, and observe this tripe continuously from our conventional news sources. Writing a historically accurate piece will sometimes emote radical emotionalism, but if it is accurate, it reflects reality and is far more valuable as a piece of historical data than a hundred pieces written to conform to a politically correct formula.

    During the period of the article, I was a teenager. I had never heard of the Daughters of the Confederacy and I was intrigued with the premise. I didn’t walk in to their museum with the idea of correcting the injustices of the past; I was content to view the relics of the past and listen to the wisdom of elderly ladies who had spent a good portion of their life memorizing a phenomenal amount of material concerning the region’s participation in the Civil War.

    Their dedication reminded me of a religious order more than a museum. To think that a teenager raised in another culture could influence these monastic type gals brings a smile to my face even now. I didn’t look at them as the enemy, but rather as a resource, and it was at this point in my life that the seed of doubt concerning books of history began to germinate in my mind. Otherwise, I might still be inclined to accept all the politically correct versions of history that are written primarily to measure up to certain unwritten standards.

    It would have been fairly easy to write about Daughters of the Confederacy and make them out to be politically correct paragons of virtue or I could have portrayed them as evil monsters, neither would have been accurate. I chose the path of an honest depiction, devoid of political slant or correction, and the reader was allowed to view a minute piece of history, accurate history.

    Is the museum and its dedicated staff still in existence? I have no idea.

    Phillip, I am from a strong racially mixed background with living relatives in the three different countries of North America. It is hard to hate a race when you only end up hating parts of your genetic code and members of your family. The more I investigate my family tree, the more diverse it becomes. Seeing America as the great melting pot of genetic vigor and diversity is much easier for me. I am willing to face reality with no pretensions or preconceived ideas.

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  14. Richard Wheeler
    you are telling of yourself by saying the word ” far right fool”
    of course we know you are the fool here, every time you visit,
    we can assure the crowd that he is not far right, no one is far right here,
    this id not a temperature gadget, where yo go swaying to the right or the left,
    well it is only when you meet the fools, but always come back
    to a middle balance true kind and tolerant CONSERVATIVE,
    where the word REVENGE is never pronounce here ,
    NOWHERE in CONSERVATIVE SIDE,
    but you might hear that from a person trying to be re-elected at any cost even if he have to use hate slurs and play the racist card by telling a crowd of mindless who only focus on their infatuation for the man,
    and are ready to keep him on the PODIUM,
    even if it is not the right thing to do for the whole AMERICA,,
    they don’t get it, as long as they are being fed with money and promises which fly
    with the wind of time , when he get where he campaign for, at the end,
    AT WHAT PRICE VICTORY?

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  15. Aqua says: 65

    @Skook:

    Occam: I mentioned Forrest’s ability as a cavalry general. He formed the KKK, but later dropped out and became a U.S. congressman, sort of like Byrd.

    And we have a knock-out. Thanks for that Skook; well, not the coffee on my monitor part, but thanks.

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  16. Skook says: 66

    Aqua: I am glad that you appreciated the subtle humor; sometimes, the best humor is best served understated and unseasoned.

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  17. Skook says: 67

    Aqua: Melville from “Moby Dick”

    All men live enveloped in whale-lines. All are born with halters round their necks; but it is only when caught in the swift, sudden turn of death, that mortals realize the silent, subtle, ever present perils of life.

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  18. Skook says: 68

    Food for thought, for those who hunger for sustenance:

    Where lies the final harbor, whence we unmoor no more? In what rapt ether sails the world, of which the weariest will never weary? Where is the foundling’s father hidden? Our souls are like those orphans whose unwedded mothers die in bearing them: the secret of our paternity lies in their grave, and we must there to learn it.

    No doubt the first man that ever murdered an ox was regarded as a murderer; perhaps he was hung; and if he had been put on his trial by oxen, he certainly would have been; and he certainly deserved it if any murderer does. Go to the meat-market of a Saturday night and see the crowds of live bipeds staring up at the long rows of dead quadrupeds. Does not that sight take a tooth out of the cannibal’s jaw? Cannibals? who is not a cannibal? I tell you it will be more tolerable for the Fejee that salted down a lean missionary in his cellar against a coming famine; it will be more tolerable for that provident Fejee, I say, in the day of judgment, than for thee, civilized and enlightened gourmand, who nailest geese to the ground and feastest on their bloated livers in thy pate-de-foie-gras.

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  19. Skookum
    a gem to cast away in our thought telling of need to consume,
    it will help in the choice between apple and grapes and those,
    but that would provide hunger for the keepers of those we consume
    when hunger dictate us. we read this and think ackgrrch,
    and go to join the feast, closing our eyes to the lingering thought of what we just read from SKOOK
    thank you for that

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  20. joetote says: 70

    Skook,

    Well thought out essay. Of all the people on this site, I can at least relate to you on the subject of “being or not being” racist. In following your stuff over the last few years, I personally know what you went through back in the days when you were a race horse blacksmith as I (as you know) was on the backstretch in your world at the same time. Anyone that can even remotely try to tag you with that label as in regard to any of your writings is cold dead wrong and should be chastised for such.

    The race track was in our day a little society of its own and yes, we had our share of “bad” people. But we were also back then a “family” that recognized and supported hard working people. Honesty and Integrity back then was always on hand. I remember times when I would be under a horse doing up it’s legs or something. Someone would come by and ask to borrow my car to run and get some donuts or something. We probably wouldn’t even look up. Just tossed them the keys and went about our work. Like I said, I know what you went through, but at the same time, horse people trusted each other back then, no matter who it was or what nationality and on and on. So anyone out there who even remotely looks at things as racist from this man should just get off it. Life experience is a great teacher. Learn from it as I learn from Skook and others even now! It definitely relates to how we should view our leaders!

    You say the following above which is really the heart of what has transpired and what is coming.
    “He gets to keep the jets and choppers, but I am afraid he will realize a hollow victory when he looks upon an electorate that is in desolation; a condition he fabricated during his term and campaign. He has a large percentage of the electorate that no longer trusts his motives or loyalties, especially after the Benghazi Debacle. For the first time in history, five hundred generals and admirals endorsed the challenger, instead of an incumbent president. This is just one step below a vote of no confidence from the military.”

    This again leads to the question I asked a few days ago. When did it become acceptable to the electorate to embrace any leader (and again lefites, this is aimed at both parties) who exhibits a complete lack of Honesty, Honor and loyalty to this country and it’s basic ideals. As noted above, 500 officers, men and women of Honor and Integrity do not trust their Commander in Chief. 500 great people, defenders of this country have put their careers on the line (don’t think so Greggie and others? Let’s not forget the 2 that were relieved for having the common sense to go against orders and get aid to the people in Benghazi) for Love of Country. Does anyone think for one minute this military hating President and his lackeys will not take punitive action?

    Forget the economy, and every other fiasco screwed up by this administration. An electorate that is willing to forgo a requirement for it’s leaders to at least be honest and people of integrity is an electorate that will send this nation to its doom. What we saw in this election was the death of Honor, Honest and integrity as should be required by the voters. The Big Lie has prevailed and one cannot imagine the problems that are forthcoming, but they are real and bad.

    Hope I didn’t get off on to big of a tangent here, but it really frosts my you know what when anyone has to revert to the racial thing! Honor and Integrity. Something way to many of our leaders do not have. And unfortunately, the electorate either doesn’t possess those traits or just don’t give a damn about anything other than themselves. Love of Country? Forget it!

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  21. @Skook: #68,

    “Food for thought”

    Nice triple entendre.

    Meanwhile, please pass the pâté de foie gras, . . . . as long as we’re not eating in California.

    Good one.

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  22. annieoakley says: 72

    @ilovebeeswarzone: This is exactly the way I see the election. Your post brought tears to my eyes. A good decent man did the right thing and was robbed. Sad

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  23. annieoakly
    thank you,
    I too had tears when I type that one. such a lost,
    now read SKOOKUM ON THE 55 FOR YOU TO SMILE
    BEST TO YOU

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  24. SKOOKUM
    ON YOUR 55
    YOU CRACK ME UP WITH YOUR “ADIOS AMIGO”
    I’m still laughing

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  25. Skookum says: 75

    Bees, even the best writers will occasionally ignore the rules of rhetoric, but there should be compensatory reward for the reader.

    Upper Case usage: You must work at learning to control your passion for improper use of upper case letters. Remember, humor like revenge is best served cold and understated; because, the message will have greater effect. Thus writing is more effective without an ostentatious display.

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  26. Skookum says: 76

    JR, it pleases me that you caught the humor and the game of words.

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  27. retire05 says: 77

    @joetote:

    You are correct, in one way, about the trust of horse people. And while I never was involved with the track, I did spend a lot of time involved in rodeos, play days, etc. I remember one little saying:

    You can borrow my money,
    You can borrow my car,
    You can borrow my wife,
    But you can’t borrow my horse.

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  28. Skookum
    yes SIR I will,
    what is UPPER CASE USAGE?
    I’m more ignorant than you think,
    you honor me.
    kidding
    bye

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  29. joetote says: 79

    @retire05: Man, it’s been years since I heard that. Thank you for a great laugh, somethimg I sorely needed.

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  30. Skookum says: 80

    Bees, Upper Case and Lower Case are antiquated terms from the old days of setting type letters by hand for printing presses. Upper case refers to capital letters. When you lock your key down to print all capitals, you lose a percentage of potential readers because some people refuse to read this print. It is more effective to shout out with a whisper.

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  31. SKOOKUM
    thank you,
    I did suspected it was the caps but was not sure you meant it,
    my problem is , once I begin I’m running to keep my thought intact, and forget of the cap open with one word,
    I’m trying to lose my bad habit,
    bye

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  32. occam
    good story to know,
    today the blacks kill the other blacks mostly in OBAMA FAVORITE TOWN
    CHICAGO that is, did you know that?

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  33. Taqiyyotomist
    hi, you think ROMNEY HAD A BIG CENTER
    WELL OBAMA beat that from far,
    he had an hidden place with scientist making all kind of scenario possible, that was downstairs away from all view
    and upstairs he had rows and rows of computers
    and hired hands many hundreds checking everything and every one and calling with a ready made sweet talk
    doing only that about the election, he had the union’s with members in all the STATES those who are the keys specially working under thousand UNION’S members members working on only the
    election using the members to get everywhere
    It was inevitable and stinking the rotten rat
    BYE

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  34. Richard Wheeler says: 84

    Bees The laughter you provide is a gift that keeps on giving.
    Love it—Thanks

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  35. Richard Wheeler
    you don’t believe me, well just check it up elsewhere,

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  36. Richard Wheeler
    tel me are you a real MARINE
    REALLY REALLY?
    if so it’s hard to believe

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  37. Richard Wheeler says: 87

    Bees Damn right. Happy 237th Birthday USMC

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  38. Aqua says: 88

    @Richard Wheeler:
    Happy Birthday to Curt, you, Greg, and the rest of the Jarheads. A couple of my favorite Marine quotes:
    There are only two kinds of people that understand Marines: Marines and the enemy. Everyone else has a second-hand opinion.
    Gen. William Thornson, U.S. Army
    Freedom is not free, but the U.S. Marine Corps will pay most of your share.
    Ned Dolan
    I come in peace, I didn’t bring artillery. But I am pleading with you with tears in my eyes: If you f**k with me, I’ll kill you all.
    Marine General James Mattis, to Iraqi tribal leaders
    Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference in the world. But, the Marines don’t have that problem.
    Ronald Reagan, President of the United States; 1985
    They told (us) to open up the Embassy, or “we’ll blow you away.” And then they looked up and saw the Marines on the roof with these really big guns, and they said in Somali, “Igaralli ahow,” which means “Excuse me, I didn’t mean it, my mistake”.
    Karen Aquilar, in the U.S. Embassy; Mogadishu, Somalia, 1991
    And now for the patented Air Force comment on the Marines. I would have been a Marine, but my mother knew my father. :-)

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  39. Richard Wheeler
    the MARINES ARE FROM CONSERVATIVES VALUES.
    HOW COME YOU ARE FROM DEMOCRATIC MINDSET,
    and sticking to it as if they where the secret of the universe,

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  40. Richard Wheeler says: 90

    Thanks Aqua Don’t forget Skooks. Believe Greg was Army. Always loved R.R. quote. I’m going to a noon ceremony at Semper Fi Park here in San Clemente.
    Enjoy College Football Sat. Alabama at Aggies a good one.

    Bees The Marines come from cities and small towns and farms.We are white ,black ,brown .We are Dems, Repubs Indies, Consevs. and Libs. We all love our country and we all bleed red. Semper Fi Keep an open mind.

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  41. Aqua
    I like them all,
    especially MARINE GENERAL JAMES MATTIS,
    how come they have to obey the ROE, it prevent them to win the war they know HOW best in AFGHANISTAN?
    THANK YOU for citing it

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  42. Skookum says: 92

    JR, during the fur trading days, traders took advantage of the American Indian by trading trinkets and substandard manufactured products for fur. Fur was worth a fortune in Europe, but you could increase the profit margin if you traded for metal knives, cheap muskets of dubious quality, and copper kettles that might be hard to sell in the markets back east, but to the indigenous people, they were marvels to be cherished, if but for a short time.

    This concept of Obama Phones (A program that was in effect a long time before Obama came around), food stamps, welfare increases, and extended unemployment benefits are merely the cheap trade goods of the early 19th C, like the fur buyers, Obama gets what e wants for pennies on the dollar.

    Does he favor these people, only as far as they can support him. I don’t think he likes anyone or hates anyone unless they stand in his way. The Redistribution program is Marxist but for Obama it is away to trade other people’s wealth for his political traction. He doesn’t throw parties in the parks for destitute people: he celebrates with celebrities and athletes. But those impoverished people love him because they think he take care of them. Yes, the traders were often allowed to travel through the west unmolested because they were great providers.

    It is all an illusion, his narcissist arrogance doesn’t allow him to hate one group over another, he admires only beautiful people who can feed his ego, and his ego is starving.

    the narcissist become overwhelmed with immature anger when challenged, I think this is the anger you saw and consider to be racism. When Romney challenged him and stole the spotlight, Obama became petulant, but he still loves Axelrod.

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  43. Aqua says: 93

    @Richard Wheeler:

    Thanks Aqua Don’t forget Skooks. Believe Greg was Army

    That’s right. Sorry about that Skook, happy birthday Marine.

    @ilovebeeswarzone:

    how come they have to obey the ROE

    Ms. Bees, the military answers to a civilian authority. I can’t think of anyone I know that would want it any other way. Unfortunately we have never truly learned the lessons of Vietnam and we suffer from (IMO) a failed ne0-con strategy of nation building. I think Romney missed a chance to bring in more people to vote for him in the foreign policy debate. There was very little space between Romney’s and Obama’s policies. While Romney said he agreed with the 2014 date, he went on to say it would depend on the generals on the ground. He could have said we might just leave tomorrow. That’s how I feel; it’s just time to leave. Let them know if they do anything against the US, we will bomb them further into the Stone Age than they already are.

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  44. Skookum says: 94

    Aqua: You have just wrapped up the last election with precision and frugality.

    There was very little space between Romney’s and Obama’s policies.

    Liberals would have us change our hearts and souls, because we lost within a very small percentage if you consider the votes Obama won and the total against (including third party candidates). His mandate hover around the .5% mark. No wonder we should abandon Conservatism, we run a skim milk version (please no snide racist remarks please) of Obama and he gets beat soundly in the electoral college, but the actual vote total tells a different story. Plus we ran a candidate who thought rape was ok if it resulted in pregnancy.

    How many of you think the president can actually change Roe v. Wade because of his personal feelings or for any other reason?

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  45. Aqua says: 95

    @Skookum:

    Liberals would have us change our hearts and souls, because we lost within a very small percentage…

    We don’t need to change our hearts and souls. I tried looking up a quote, but I can’t find that it is attributed to anyone. “Choose your battles or your battles will choose you.” I think that is where we mess up.

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  46. Aqua
    although we must recognize he mention many times that he would
    make the MILITARY so strong that no one would beat.
    to me it meant all that,
    well yes he could have not mention the 2014 okay for getting them back,
    yes he could have said they will come the day of my taking over the PRESIDENCY but there was so much to be said, and in order to bring them back tomorrow he would have need to know the deal made by OBAMA WITH KARZEI, OTHERWISE he might not have done what he said to do, even if he would have gain votes, it would have been a lie,
    we notice his restraint to not humiliate OBAMA or come in as an accuser all over him
    probably it was not in his nature to hurt anyone to death
    I think he under estimate the multiple campaigns of OBAMA would gain, compare to his few speech and debates, plus
    many election fraud on votes by thousand of people, students making money out of it, union and members working as if it was their last breath, any skeem to win where okay,
    bye

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  47. Skookum says: 97

    Aqua, Sun Tzu could have provided us with a key to victory; unfortunately, Liberals seem to have used this 2,000 year old axiom to their advantage.

    The good fighters of old first put themselves beyond the possibility of defeat, and then waited for an opportunity of defeating the enemy. To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. Thus the good fighter is able to secure himself against defeat, but cannot make certain of defeating the enemy.
    - Sun Tzu

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  48. Richard Wheeler
    I shoud have expand my question,
    are you a MARINE for real or do you think you are a MARINE?
    you see I THINK I am 6 feet tall but I’m not that tall.
    but my ego is 6 feet tall.

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  49. Aqua
    again they are wearing AFGHAN UNIFORM, they claim,
    what ever real afghan soldier or phoney, they still shoot on those teaching them,
    why don’t the NATO OR AMERICAN MILITARY teach them with VIDEO and TELEPROMPTER and
    wide screen show
    we cannot afford them to be killed
    it would be worthwhile of course because lives of the braves are at stake here,
    bye

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