This post is for all of the lefties out there, or for anyone who has a favorite lefty friend still convinced that that an Obama re-election will ultimately make them happier than if Romney were to win on Tuesday. There are a lot of issues that are driving your decision to vote for Obama. We know that there's the right to pay for the contraception for future one percenters, hating chicken sandwiches, making our country a welcome home to illegal immigrants, telling us how much salt or sugar we're allowed to consume, or ensuring the right to cast fraudulent votes. Do you know why you care about these issues? Because you can.
That's a bit of an oversimplification, but there is a simple reason why you're able to think that these issues are important. It's because the issues that truly matter aren't things that you've had to worry about in your lifetime. With the exceptions of a few terrorist attacks, both successful and thwarted, we've never faced a serious threat of our country being invaded. We've faced economic downturns, and if we continue on our current path things are going to get a lot worse, but as a country we've not had to endure true economic hardship since the Great Depression. This is why we take these things for granted – we've never lived through these problems, and we've lost our sense of history and take for granted that peace and prosperity are the natural state of society. And that is why you're able to pretend that these trivial issues truly matter in the larger scheme of things.
So why would what I just said make any Democrat want to vote for Romney? Two words: Global Warming. Or Climate Change. Or Global Climate Disruption. Or whatever the newest term for it is. Remember when this was a critical, eminent threat and we had only days left to start responding? Yes, I remember those days too. Something weird happened over the last few years – people stopped caring. Granted, part of this is due to the fact that the sky keeps stubbornly refusing to fall, or all of the scandals that keep blowing apart what the Global Warm Mongers swore was accepted dogma. But there's something bigger than that that happened.
Our economy took a major downturn, and suddenly we're faced with problems that are actually, well, real. High unemployment, low economic growth, and mounting federal debt are very much real. And now matter how much the press tries to rationalize it away, no matter how much leftists like to delude themselves that everything wrong with our economy is George Bush's
fault, and no matter how many times you close your eyes and click your heels while chanting hope and change and change and hope the reality is that our economy is not improving, and the president's policies are making things worse. Somehow CGI polar bears dropping dead from the sky over city streets seems kind of trivial when your former job was in the coal industry that our president promised to bankrupt. For some reason blindly clinging to a hockey stick graph based off of worthless data pales when you're a laid off supplier for a pipeline that can't be built because our president has to court the Big Green branch of the anti-prosperity lobby. And oddly enough, when your business that depended on servicing the now banned offshore oil rigs is dying, for some reason that half degree rise in global temperature that may or may not happen over the next century and may or may not be caused by human activity seems trivial.
And to take this to a more graphic example, look at what the people of New York and New Jersey are experiencing now in the aftermath of Hurricane Sandy. I doubt that if you hand a family that's been without heat or electricity for a week a bag of hot chicken sandwiches they won't care what the owner's opinion is on gay marriage. Bring them a case of bottled water and the fact that it came from a multinational big box store who doesn't enforce that its third world supplier only buys its plastic bottles from fair trade unionized shops doesn't really matter.
Yes, belief in Global Warming has seen a recent spike thanks to Hurricane Sandy, but these surges always happen after acts of nature – it's how people rationalize when bad things out of the ordinary happen. Although I wonder if Oliver Stone and Chris Matthews realize how much their self righteous finger wagging comes off like the old fire and brimstone preachers who shouted that AIDS was God's way of punishing gays.
Back on topic though, the issues that you think are important really aren't. When you're out of work, without heat and electricity, or in any way wondering how you are going to provide for yourself and your family you're not worried about all of the trivial issues I mentioned at the top of this post. And sorry lefties, but expanding unemployment, food stamps, and disability rolls is not compassion. These are temporary stop gaps and to use a favorite phrase of yours, not sustainable. If you want to help people who are looking for work vote for leaders whose policies will help them get back to work. On Tuesday cast your vote not for the politician who claims he will create the most jobs (politicians don't create jobs), but for the one who will do his best to get the government out of the way of job creation. If you haven't figured it out yet, that would mean voting not for Obama, or for any other Democrats (or Republicans) who consistently vote to support his policies.
Only when our economy is right again will the majority of Americans be ready to care about the throwaway issues. If you consider those things important, and I know you do, you have only one choice come Tuesday:
Vote for Romney.
Cross posted from Brother Bob's Blog
Well said, Brother Bob, well said!
I am 60 years old. I have voted for every Dem candidate for president since 1972 (McGovern) through 2008 (Obama). I am voting for Romney this year. I agree with everything said in the article – my only criticism would be that the thoughts could have been presented in a less condescending manner – a bit more honey and a bit less vinegar.
Sometimes vinegar is needed to cut through the crap. Just be aware folks like myself are fully prepared to be disappointed by Romney. Yes I’m voting for him. I didn’t buy hope and change 4 years ago even though McCain was a poor nominee. I just couldn’t vote for the guy with the blank resume. Especially after watching a gaggle of press invade Wasilla, Alaska looking for dirt on the VP candidate all the while they couldn’t send one Pruis load of reporters to Chicago to do the same for the presidential nominee of the party they so obviously preferred.
We will make our voices heard when we disagree with Romney. We will push for no compromise when we think it the right thing to do and stay quiet when its ok to compromise. One thing about Obama is he has little to zero ability to work well with others. Romney has shown he knows how to do that. That is a big part of leadership.
One thing I can say for sure is no one I know of who is voting for Romney sees him in the same light as many Obama supporters saw him in 2008 as some sort of messiah. We just know for sure 4 more years of Obama will not be good for anyone.
We have to get rid of Obamacare, Dodd/Frank and then Medicare and Social Security must be reformed. Printing money endlessly is not a sound fiscal policy and there aren’t enough rich people to tax to pay for everyone else, as if that would be fair anyway. These are big issues and there will be screaming from the media, but there is no free lunch.
The contrast between what people who live in a 21st century megacity that is functioningVS one that has collapsed is amazing.
I’ve seen TV scenes showing signs like:
“Looters will be shot.”
“Block proteced by Smith and Wesson.”
“We booby-trapped our door and keep a baseball bat beside our bed.”
A surfer who lives back East in the disaster zone said,” I would take a looter with a bow if a felt threatened. I would definitely use it. It’s like the wild west. A borderline lawless situation.”
All this in less then 100 hours!
Primal existence is back!
Fire hydrants are now disabled so they can serve as local wells.
People use the sun to tell them when t be awake and when to sleep.
If their stoves work, people huddle around them for warmth.
Guns are no longer ”BAD!”
Richard Fernandez of the Belmont Club wrote:
He’s right.
Our ”civilization” is a thin veneer, it is fragile.
When it is restored will all these people forget how they were mugged reality?
The very definition of a conservative is a “liberal who has been mugged by reality.”
Sandy could be a country-wide game changer to our political map.
@Mulligan22, #3:
I believe most democrats would agree that the budget must be brought into balance and that Social Security and Medicare must be reformed in order to guarantee long-term stability. The point of disagreement concerns who we can trust to do that in both an effective and equitable fashion.
Republicans have never made good on their recurring campaign year pledges to balance the federal budget. Without fail, since the election of Ronald Reagan, they have done the exact opposite. Why should I believe this time it will be different, when the means they are proposing to achieve that end don’t make sense?
You can not reduce tax rates by 25 percent across the board, significantly boost defense pending, and divert a significant portion of the FICA revenue stream into a new privatized investment scheme without either cutting current benefits or drawing more heavily on general revenues, while simultaneously balancing the budget. It’s simply not possible. No one is going to convince me otherwise using an argument that’s devoid of specifics and details.
@Greg:
1. Which party controlled Congress that sent the balanced budgets to Clinton?
2. When was the last time a Democratic controlled Congress balanced a budget?
3. Which party as a whole has twice failed to support a balanced budget amendment?
4. Which President added $5 trillion to the national debt during one term? And before you blame 2009 on Bush, remember Obama as a senator voted for his deficits, meaning as a senator and President he was responsible for every penny of the 2009 deficit.
The Republicans have fallen far short on fiscal responsibility but trying to blame everything on them and giving a free pass to the Dems is hypocritical and defies historical fact. The figures have been posted here numerous times showing that the D’s have run up more deficits than the R’s making them the more fiscally irresponsible party of the two. Now that it appears the Dems will hold onto the the Senate, do you think Reid will do his job and produce a budget?
The issues you discuss are not throwaway to socially concerned Dems. Did you see what “Conservs” like Ivan were saying about the the plight of their fellow citizens in N.Y. Why would a Dem. associate with that consciousness? The far right will bring victory to Obama and hold The Senate for the Dems.
@Greg:
Which, of course, is why “most democrats” raise a stink whenever spending cuts are being discussed. Hell, even cutting the RATE of spending increases raises their ire so much, they talk about evil conservatives taking food away from babies and medicines away from seniors.
And SS and Medicare reform? “Most democrat’s” idea of reforming those two government services is to raise taxes higher in order to “fix” them, when all that would do, assuming an actual revenue increase, which is doubtful considering history, is to prolong the date until they run out of other people’s money.
@Richard Wheeler:
Why no mention of me, Rich. You unfairly linked my statements to those of Ivan, when the two were nothing alike. Did you finally realize my statements had nothing to do with what Ivan was saying? Or did you just tuck and run, refusing to acknowledge that you were wrong about me?
And spare us your contrived “holier than thou” attitude, regarding a Dem associating with “that consciousness”, Rich. Your party could give a crap about what happens in the middle of the country, as evidenced by storms ravaging the midwest and upper southeast this year and last, and neither Obama nor any Dem being anywhere around to show how much they “care”.
I don’t (and didn’t, in the other topic) agree with Ivan’s attitude towards those suffering, Rich. But, typically, you bring up the worst of people and attempt to paint an entire party, or political group, using that same brush. I shouldn’t expect anything different from you now, and kick myself every time I expect you to act human, but don’t. Sure, everybody makes mistakes, Rich. It takes a real man to own up to them though. What does that make you?
It’ll be interesting to see what happens after the election. While things are very close, I expect we’re still going to have Obama as President. The odds seem to be against Romney being able to put together enough electoral votes. I expect a somewhat larger democratic majority than now in the Senate, owing to the far right having forced a couple of extremists into slots where moderate republicans could have easily won. (Indiana, being one such. Mourdock is likely to turn into a republican disaster.) We’ll still have a republican majority House, but I think they’ll have just about exhausted the nation’s patience, and that more moderate voices will gradually become dominant. A willingness to compromise will return out of necessity.
I’ll readily admit that I may be wrong. We’ll know in 2 days. (Or in 2 weeks, if Ohio cobbles things up badly enough with provisional ballots.)
@Allan Franklin#2
I applaud you for your decision…
J.G Did you disassociate yourself from Ivan’s comments. If so I missed it. Thanks for doing so here. We can certainly agree Ivan is “the worst of people”
I gotta say you’re getting as nasty as Retire o5 in your personal comments. The smell of desperation perhaps. Maybe it’s tough to accept Michigan’s got 2 more losses than the Irish. What is your problem lately. I used to call you a gentleman. Was I wrong?
@Richard Wheeler:
Why would I have to do that, when you are the one who made the association, Rich? A wrong one, I might add.
I used to think you were one, too, Rich. And I don’t have to ask about being wrong. You’ve proven, entirely by yourself, that you are not one.
@Richard Wheeler:
Wow! You really missed the mark when it comes to me. I’m not nasty, I just can’t tolerate stupid people who are adults and should know better. That takes in you, Tom, Greggie, Lib1 and Larry.
You see, Rich, I was once like you. I was a Democrat who believed that the Democrat Party was for the little guy. I accepted, on pure faith, every word said by every Democrat. But I matured and decided to no longer take the word of those who were simply trying to protect their cushy seat in Congress, the Senate or the Oval Office, and decided to take a look at what the Democrat Party really stood for. What I found was not pretty. It went against everything I believe in, like the DoI and the Constitution. I read the Federalist Papers and the Anti-Federalist Papers, along with The Communist Manifesto, Rules for Radicals and other left wing bibles, and what I learned is that the left didn’t want the nation that was given to us by the greatest minds in the history of mankind, but a softer, more palatable form of the goals of Marx.
I don’t know what you leftwingers want except to drive the United States into being another failed socialist society. And I also know that there is nothing but pure evil in those intents. So you will have to forgive me if I don’t cut you any slack. I find you, and your ilk, dangerous to this, the greatest nation in the history of mankind.
You see, Rich, I don’t understand how you could have voted for a man whose background was one association after another with radicals and anti-Americans. I don’t understand how you could buy into the hopey change from a man who never ran so much as a lemonaide stand. And after you, and over half the nation, your fellow stupid adults, elected that man, even after his disasterous four years in office, numerous dead Americans due to his policies, failed investments in green energy, sweetheart deals of Stimulus money to his big money bundlers and none of those things dissuade you from supporting him.
Perhaps you can explain that to me. Perhaps you can make me understand what it is that you want this nation to look like in another four years because it most certainly will not be prosperous nor will it be respected. Are you just out for what you can leech from productive taxpayers? Do you really think socialism works?
No, I’m not nasty toward you, Rich. I simply express my disgust for you.
If Romney wins, I’d guess it will take about 6 months before the right turns on him.
What would people like Rush Limbaugh do, without having someone to blame everything on and be totally enraged with?
Retire05 I assure you the disgust is mutual. Wonder if Aye might post your lovely picture again?
To J.G. Semper Fi swabbie Enjoy the election.
I’ll be voting for Romney, Brother Bob, but it won’t be a vote that’s actually FOR him. Rather, it will be a vote against Obama.
Liberal/progressives, though, will be voting for Obama and essentially because of those “throwaway” issues you discuss. That is mainly what today’s Democratic party is made up of, as well as the “useful idiots” like Rich who don’t believe their party has moved steadily left over the years, but do believe that the GOP has moved to the “extreme” right.
@Richard Wheeler:
Go screw yourself, Rich. A gentleman would have offered an apology for wrongly misrepresenting someone’s statements as many times as you did.
@Greg: You said:
Except for those four years in the 1990s…
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@retired05 #14 – I agree 150% well said !!! …I can’t understand it either…just don’t get the mindset…
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Sidetrack:
I just heard [Government Agency] FEMA is offering $1000.00 + room/board/meals for a week to those who want to help in disaster areas [NJ/NY]….[?]
1 – I wonder how many of our ‘unemployed’ will jump on the opportunity?
2 – I wonder how many unsavory greedy people will jump on the opportunity to commit Fraud…
knowing how badly managed our Government agencies are.
3 – Isn’t it sad I’ve grown to
expectthink of scenarios like #2 ?4 – There are other non government agencies and groups who “volunteer” their time to help others…and work just as hard if not harder…for a lot less..
Red Cross got their butts kicked by a NY politician [forgot his name] ..Guy is an Asshat…so are the people who bad mouthed the Red Cross in comments…Red Cross is surely not the best managed charity…BUT REMEMBER…many of those who work for the Red Cross ARE VOLUNTEERS from ALL OVER THE COUNTRY giving UP THEIR TIME TO SERVE and to HELP… I know… my husband is one of them…
@Richard Wheeler: You said:
You are out of your mind. Romney will win by at least 6 points. Look at the polls, then weight them with average turnouts on both sides by the last four elections.
Romney wins.
@Greg: I put a link to some serious numbers in this post. Unfortunately neither party is talking about this:
@Richard Wheeler: Ivan’s not a conservative. And maybe you missed what Matthews and Stone had to say? And I don’t quite follow your logic as to how the conservatives will bring victory for Obama. Did they suddenly decide to vote for him?
@anticsrocks, #21:
Obama has a very slim popular vote lead in the RCP poll average. He’s also got a slim lead in every undecided toss-up state except for North Carolina and Virginia. I’m not sure how that could translate into a 6 point victory for Romney.
That said, I can’t remember if I’ve ever seen an election with closer poll numbers.
@retire05: Well said. I too, am amazed at people who appear on the surface to be of an intellectual nature and yet they blindly support Obama.
He increases spending EIGHTY FOUR PERCENT his first year in office via his stimulus bill, then folds it into the baseline for the next three years and your average Democrat thinks he’s a tightwad with our tax dollars.
Yes, it amazes me how gullible some people are.
@Richard Wheeler: You said:
Classy.
@Greg: You said:
Simply averaging biased polls with unbiased polls doesn’t give you a clear picture of the electorate; but if you want to bitterly cling to RCP like we cling to our Bible and our Guns, go ahead.
In the early voting, Romney is leading Obama 52% to 46%, which is strikingly similar to his 51% to 46% lead among likely voters, according to Gallup.
Romney leads in Florida by 2%.
In Ohio Obama leads among blue collar workers, but I think the evangelicals and small town voters will surprise the pollsters much like they did in 2004 for Bush.
In Virgina, early voting is way down in the heavily Democratic areas, so I give this one to Romney as well.
The eastern, heavily coal parts of Pennsylvania will rise up and vote for Romney.
Wisconsin has been trending steadily GOP since the 2010 mid terms.
Add these and other things up, and you begin to see a better picture of the voting public.
Doors Shut Then Reopened for Voters at Florida Polls
People were waiting in line for up to 6 hours in Miama-Dade County this weekend to vote.
A has judge ordered Orange County, Florida, to extend their voting hours in response to a lawsuit filed by democrats.
@Richard Wheeler: I reread the comments on that thread and posted my own response. It was pretty apparent to me that JG and retire05 disagreed with Ivan. Not sure what you are trying to prove here.
@anticsrocks:
The drawing Aye provided was pretty funny. But for Rich, it is just a way for him to show his bigotry against white, senior aged women. Yeah, he’s a libeal.
@retire05 #14: Cut Larry some slack. While we never agree with him he is the only lefty who comes around here and puts real time and thought into his responses. And as bad as the lefties who come around here are, try posting a comment on a site like the Nation if you want to see real stupidity flow.
@Greg #15: It’s not conservatives who need someone to hate. But you lefties do like to project
@johngalt #17: Don’t be too bummed about voting for Romney – the only way for a candidate to reach the national stage and still be everything a person would want requires a lot of self delusion about the candidate (read: Obama in 2008). The fact that he took Ryan as his running mate shows that the economy will be taken seriously. One other bit of encouragement about our influence that someone in National Review wrote a while back said something along the lines of, “In the 2008 GOP primaries Romney was the conservative candidate. In 2012 he was the liberal one.” Considering Romney hasn’t changed that is a good sign as to who is going to the national stage – hopefully we’re not too late.
@retire05: Please quit feeding the trolls!
@Greg: Got news for you bunkie (or should it be “binkie”) (actually on this thread I see that it is usually “greggie”) >> I do not know what you mean by the term “the right” — actually if you think you are referring to the majority of the people who will be voting for Romney — I think you are wrong — there was no real enthusiasm for Mitt from the begining from the vast majority of Americans —
There are several things Mitty will have to do in spades — too numerous to mention here — within the next 6 months — to EARN the support of “the right” —
Most of the support Mitt has as of today is the absolute necessity of flushing the Kenyan (capitalised in honor of the Kenyan people — not anyone else) usurper and the damm bolshevik demoCRAP party out — oh – and it will take a couple more election cycles (hose offs) to finally hose off the remaining socialist CRAP
OK — you say 6 months before “the right” turns on him: Actually I think that he will be watched closely by “the right” and pushed along as best they can – i.e. they can’t turn on someone they are waiting to see what that person actually does —
As for your lamentations re Rush — hmmm? — well I just have to say that the demoCraps will surely keep Rush well supplied with material — hairy reed and rancy peelousie are just starting courses — after all Rush made it through the Boosch terms — with lotso demo material —
I predict El Maha Rushie will be around for as long as he can — ala Paul Harvey — and that is “The rest of the story”
After Christie’s photo op stunt in New Jersey, one might write about Reps. For Obama. Particularly one who wants to run in 2016, and who would have a better chance if Obama stayed in office till then.
Not impressed with Chris boy.
@ James Raider: I’m willing to give Christie some leeway on photo-opping w/ Obama. Maybe I’m letting the low standard set by Ray Nagin cloud my judgement, but now is the time to be the grown up in the room. There will be plenty of time to point fingers afterward and for better or worse if Christie becomes president he’s going to need to be able to work with the opposition party, a lesson our president sadly never learned.
@Greg:
Romney’s proposed tax policy isn’t likely to pass in my opinion. But some form of reform may make it with both parties helping if Romney is elected. However Obama has not led on tax policy other than lets just ask the rich to pay a little more. Well from my reading I understand his tax increase would raise about 80 billion per year. When we are borrowing 4 billion per day everyday that 80 billion doesn’t go very far. Winding down the wars won’t close that gap either. It’s just a political drum to beat and not a real solution. Funny thing is he takes as many deductions as he can to reduce his own income taxes as much as possible while preaching the rich pay more. Well he’s a one percenter, PAY UP if he so believes in it.
Entitlements are the big fiscal issue going forward. The partial privatization idea was something Bill Clinton was looking into in 1999. I also recall Democrat Daniel Patrick Moynihan wrote an editorial on May 29, 2000 in the NYT in favor of private accounts. So this idea does have bipartisan support. For those of us with 401k’s this idea isn’t such an all fearing monster. We know the numbers going forward don’t support SS surviving unless it is reformed. And if you think the government will always be there to pay up, go look at Greece.
Think about it this way from what I have read when FDR got SS through the average recipient collected about 4 months and then passed away. FDR had it set up this way. They didn’t have people start collecting when they were 50 knowing they would most likely die at 66. If we were following his model today and proposing SS for the first time today we’d have people start collecting at 75. I’m not saying we should move the number to 75 but you should get the idea that things have changed and for SS to survive it must as well.
I just don’t see the country wanting four more years of Obama making speeches blaming someone else for his own lack of leadership. It’s like a general complaining the opposing general is too tough or won’t fight fair and expecting sympathy. Times up, back up the moving trucks and load up the teleprompters.
Since most economist agree that the economy will continue to improve, unless someone changes course, and really screws it up (see Bernanke’s 2011 projections, which seem to becoming reality: http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/07/13/bernanke.economy/index.html); so I’ll focus on the conservative social agenda—namely abortion and contraception.
I am an extreme liberal—with no apologies—and admit that my positions are not similar to mainstream liberals, who will be the bulk of the people voting for President Obama. My personal views are so extreme, most regular liberals wouldn’t own them. But they are based in the fundamental belief in the common good for each living, breathing, cognitive individual—rather than that of potential human beings.
I object to the position drawn by the Christian Fundamentalist which claims that the soul is impregnated at conception, and therefore abortion is the same as murder. An extension of this claim is that the fetus is a person—regardless of age—which makes the mother and the doctor, and maybe the father (as an accessory), and guilt of murder. First degree murder is punishable in most states by at least life in prison. Life in prison for an act as consequential—for most of the life of the fetus—as stepping on a bug (assuming you don’t believe that you kill the soul as a result of abortion).
But for most fundamentalist, religious oriented right-wing oriented voters, they try to rationalize their views by giving it some sort of rational disguise—to offer reason about why it’s wrong to take a life. But do they ever bother to consider the number of unwanted children who are relegated to burdensome lives—often resulting in lives of crime—or even objects of homicide by their parents? But, the conservative says, such parents and children—who probably make if a large portion of institutionalized adults—are no better that common criminals themselves, and should have considered these consequence before parenting these children.
Or, maybe, before considering outlawing abortion—and Romney/Ryan have claimed their support of defeating Roe vs Wade on numerous occasions—as the answer to the problem, perhaps Fundamentalist Christians should consult the statistics of the World Health Organization that suggest most abortion are conducted in countries where the practice is illegal, and, as a result of these, 215 women die each day. In fact, in the US, where abortion are safe and legal, the procedure is 11 times safer than carrying a pregnancy to term and nearly twice as safe as a penicillin injection. http://www.ourbodiesourselves.org/book/companion.asp?compID=100&id=20
So, if you want to talk about murder, I’d say the every conservative who is against legalized abortion is at least an accessory to murder. Similarly, the same may be said of those who are against contraception—the most common reason given for this position being that it interferes with God’s plan. Such are more radical conservative positions tainted with irrationality.
@Liberal1 (Objectivity):
I don’t mean to monopolize the conversation here but if I may….
First of all I gather you are an atheist. Your position is in line with that anti-religion godless religion. Also as you are a self proclaimed “extreme liberal” I am curious.
You never mention what the bounds are for an abortion. So just how extreme are you? Is partial birth abortion ok with you? Or are you all the way to not supporting the born alive infant protection act as Barack Obama does? If an infant survives an abortion shall it be saved or let alone to die as our president supports? What are your limits to terminating human life you don’t care for?
In your view who speaks for the innocent unborn? When do they have any rights in your world? Would you have wanted someone to have spoken for you when you were in your mothers womb? Margaret Sanger perhaps?
I don’t ask this in condescending terms just clarification.
@Budvarakbar: So quaint—all your personal names for democrats. But it does save time in elaboration and documentation of your positions.
@Liberal1 (Objectivity):
Wow! So we finally learn exactly why you support abortion. Eugenics.
You believe in the common good (which is nowhere in the U.S. Constitution) so you support abortion because you believe on the probability that those children who are not aborted will be a detriment to the “common good” of the American society. According to you, aborting those unborn children is an act that is no less inhumane than stepping on a bug. Really?
So how does your philosphy differ from Nazi Germany’s genocide policies, except that at this point, you simply apply those policies to the unborn? Ridding Germany, and through the power of conquest, other western European nations, of the segments of their society that the Nazis believed did not serve the “common” good, was the very same excuse you use. Eugenics was simply those in power ridding their society of those who were considered undesirables. Adolph Hilter simply took Margaret Sanger’s eugenics theories and put it on steroids.
What is the difference, in your mind, between killing the unborn, whom you seem to think will only revert to a life of crime, or worse, and murdering the mentally retarded who are unaware of their own humanity, or the elderly who suffer from Altzheimer’s Disease? If you support abortion because it serves the “common” good, why not support the killing of other human beings that are a drain on society? What sociatal good does the drug addict, the alcoholic, the welfare recipient provide? Are they also not a drain on the “common” good of any society?
You have convinced yourself that a 12 week old fetus is nothing more than a “bug.” Really, Lib1? At what point does a bug develope fingers, eyelids, toes? Discounting the soul factor, where in the development of a fetus does it have the potential (that is the word you applied to an unborn child) to become something other than a human being?
Human life has been valued all through every stages of humanity and the only times it has not has provided us with national leaders like Pol Pot, Hitler, Stalin and Mao. As a progressive (you’re really not a liberal in the true sense of the word) you support the perfection of society through the murder of the least of that society. How are you any different than others who have gone down in the annals of history as evil?
@Mully: Nobody needs to have spoken for me before I was born—it wouldn’t have mattered any way. As was expounded upon last week, I base my limits for life on cognitive awareness of self—if one doesn’t even know that one exists, the what difference does it make? Is it worth the death of 215 women per day—women with goals and a future to live.
Retir05, I think you know how the difference is created.
In Nazi Germany people were forced to either have lots of babies (Nordic types) or forced to lose the children they already had plus any chance of having more (gypsies, Jews, non-Nordic ”Germans”).
In the USA revisionist history as well as propagandistic schooling have convinced many people to self-select their genes out of our national gene pool.
The ”green” agenda is part of this.
So is the leftist concept of ”feminism.”
Our ”history” books practically reek of white guilt.
No one has to drag these young adults down to Planned Parenthood for their IUDs, their condoms, their hormone pills and their abortions.
They do it themselves.
They think they are being ”responsible.”
One of Sunday’s political cartoons showed multitudes of little angels looking down on earth.
Two little girl angels spoke about wishing they’d had the chance to be women.
@Liberal1 (Objectivity):
So you believe in the euthania of the mentally retarded, the Altzheimer’s patient, those is a coma?
You’re not a liberal, Lib1, you’re a Neo-Nazi.
@Liberal1 (Objectivity):
Your statement…. “I base my limits for life on cognitive awareness of self—if one doesn’t even know that one exists, then what difference does it make?” What age was it for you and who decided you were now self aware? Does a 6 month old baby have self awareness? If so how do they communicate it to you?
So obviously the aged who have lost self awareness need to go as well….in your world.
@retire05: Perhaps you should consult a dictionary regarding the term ‘eugenics’, before showing your ignorance with all the Hitler, Stalin, Mao ultra-conservative talk—and with the use of a little bit of brain power, maybe you can see that my opinion has nothing to do with this pseudo-science. This is what I detest about these site, and don’t usually hang around for the argument: People talking about things they know absolutely nothing about—just spouting and repeating things to tow the extremist-conservative line.
@Liberal1 (Objectivity):
What a coincidence, Lib1. That’s why conservatives ignore DemocraticUnderground, Huffpo, and DailyKos. A bunch of people spouting and repeating things to tow the extremist-liberal/progressive line, that they know absolutely nothing about. And since you, yourself, admitted to being an ‘extreme’ liberal, do we allow that you, yourself, are one of those that frequent those sites, spouting off about stuff they know nothing about?
@Budvarakbar, #32:
Rush Limbaugh is pompous blowhard who has made himself a millionaire many times over by cultivating, encouraging, and exploiting the paranoia, partisan animosity, and internal divisiveness that are collectively a greater threat to the United States of America than any external enemy. He turns American against American, eroding national unity while posing as some sort of patriot. He’s no patriot. He’s the worst sort of parasite—one that sickens its host while feeding on and growing fat off of it.
@retire05: @retire05: You continue to show your ignorance. A very small percentage of Altzheimier patients and no mentally retarded people do not exhibit self-awareness. People in comas are allowed to expire all the time—according to laws and medical ethic. Get an education.
Long lines for early voting in Ohio and Florida this weekend
@Liberal1 (Objectivity):
eugenics the science of improving the population by controlled breeding for desirable inherited characteristics.
But as with any coin, there is always two sides. In order to increase the number of the population that resides in the “desirable inherited characteristics” catagory, you also have to reduce the number of those with undesirable characteristics, i.e. blacks, immigrants, the mentally retarded, the infirm, the handicapped. Otherwise, the numbers remain the same.
Ever notice how Planned Parenthood only puts its abortion mills in minority neighborhoods, Lib1? Why do you think that is? The largest PP facility in the U.S. was built in Sheila Jackson Lee’s district which is approx. 90% black. There is strength in numbers, Lib1, yet the black community has aborted so many children that their percentage of the population is now smaller than it was in 1860. Shouldn’t it be growing like all other demographics?
What you support is selective genocide. How does that make you any different than any other Nazi that participated in the annihilation of the Jews, the gypsies, the gays, etc? Selective genocide. You just want to get to them before they are born. And while you may call eugenics pseudo-science, the goals of that movement were no differnt than yours; the “common” good.
And here is a little hint for you; if you are disgusted by the reponses that you get when you post your vileness, then why don’t you leave and not return? Or are you just into drive-by statements to facilitate a debate that you can later claim to not care about?
Frankly, you are just a vile human being who deserves not one iota of respect or polite consideration.
Richard Wheeler
remember STEELE ASKING QUESTIONS TO PEOPLE and they didn’t know nothing about their histry or even their present surrounding, it the one who vote for OBAMA,
IGNORANT FOLLOWERS OF THE OBAMA CULT, THEY DUNNO NOTIN, THEY ARE EMPTY BRAIN WHICH OBAMA MULTIPLE CAMPAIGN FILLED IT WITH SUBLIMINAL MESSAGES HIDDEN UNDERNEAT HIS PROMISES FULL OF LIES, THE REST ARE THE ONES PROFITING FROM THE PUBLIC JOBS ALL UNIONIZE
AND THE BIG WHEELS WHO COLLECT THE UNION’S FEE, AND GREASE OBAMA, WITH ALL THE PROTECTION HE NEED, AND THERE IS THOSE LIKE YOU AND LIBERAL 1, AND GREG AND WO AM I FORGETTING FOR WHAT EVER YOU FIND IN HIM, THROUGH YOUR PRIVATE LIFE,
MAYBE THE COLOR OF YOUR WIFE LOYAL TO COLOR OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU ALL BECAME DUMSTRUCK ON OBAMA IMAGE AND PROFILE EXIBIT ON THE TELEPROMPTER, EMPTY MACINE WITHOUT ANY SOUL OR FELLING FOR THE LIVES OF OTHER BRAVES AMERICANS WHICH YOU
BECAME BLIND TO AVOID LOOKING AT AND PRETEND TO SUPPORT,
WE HAVE FIGURED YOU ALL, FROM THE TIME YOU EXPOSED YOURSELF,
AND IT TOOK TIME FOR OBAMA TO GIVE THE ULTIMITE WORD TO OPEN HIS MINDSET DEEPER ENOUGH FOR US TO UNEQUIVICLY DOUBT OF HIM WANTING TO REVENGE FOR WHAT AND WHO HE CAN NEVER ASPIRE TO BE,
LOOK AT THE HATE CARD HE HAS BEGUN HIS FIRST YEAR OF PRESIDENCY WITH,
THAT WAS THE FIRST CLUE WE GOT, AND MORE CAME IN TO ADD NEGATIVES ON HIS PROFILE,
AND AS HIS END IS COMING TO VIEW HE HAS LET DOWN THE BRAVES TO DIE AWAY FROM THEIR BELOVED AMERICA WITHOUT HELP OF ANY KIND,
IF YOU DID NOT WAKE UP. YOU ARE DOOMED,
AND TO END THIS I SAY AMERICANS OHIO, WISCONIN, WHERE YOUR UNION IS TRYING TO CONVINCE YOU AND SCARE YOU.
THIS IS YOUR CHANCE TO GET AWAY FROM THE HOLD THEY HAVE ON YOU,
AND DON’T LET THE UNIONS DICTATE YOUR VOTE
YOU ALONE ARE THE MASTER OF YOUR GOD GIVEN RIGHT