Romney/Obama Debate Open Thread

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The third and final debate is tonight at 9pm EST. A few topics to consider in this open thread is what is missing from tonight's topics:

So two-thirds of the debate will be about the Greater Middle East. Two-thirds. Schieffer has generously allowed that China and Tomorrowland the entire Pacific Rim should get fifteen minutes. Here are the following areas and topics that apparently won't be discussed:

1) The eurozone crisis
2) Latin America
3) Russia
4) Africa
5) Foreign economic policy
6) India
7) North Korea

Now I get that some of these topics won't come up in a foreign policy debate that lasts only 90 minutes. But I'm also thinking that maybe, just maybe, it would be a better foreign policy debate if they actually talked about, you know, SOMETHING OTHER THAN THE MIDDLE EAST!!!!!!

I'm not saying the Middle East isn't important — we have lost blood and treasure there, some of it very recently. But I simply do not believe that the region is so important that it should occupy 66.7% of a foreign policy debate.

And you gotta love Reason's drinking game for tonight:

Start with a robust pregame chug for all the foreign policy issues that won’t be discussed: Democracy and development in Africa, the future of Russia, the Eurozone crisis, Greece and austerity budgets, debt and monetary policy in Japan.

And then t

ake a drink if:

Obama claims he ended the war in Iraq.
Romney fails to note that he didn’t.
Obama mumbles something vaguely incoherent about Afghanistan.
Romney mumbles something vaguely incoherent about Afghanistan.
Obama talks up sanctions on Iran.
Romney says those sanctions are not strong enough, but won’t say what action(s) would be.
Either candidate attempts to provide a detailed assessment of Iran’s nuclear program.
Romney once again botches his criticism of the Obama administration’s Benghazi blunders.
Obama defends his administration’s days-long insistence that the attacks were provoked by a YouTube video critical of Islam.
Romney promises to brand China a currency manipulator.
Obama declares that America must outcompete the rest of the world.
Romney, like just about every presidential candidate for the last few decades, pledges to achieve North American energy independence by 2020, but does not promise to discover unicorns, which is equally likely.
Obama says he wants to end subsidies to big oil without mentioning that he wants to plow those subsidies right back into dubious green energy projects.
Romney accuses Obama of having gone on an apology tour.
Anyone uses the words “mission accomplished.”
Anyone uses the words “brought to justice.”
Anyone mispronounces the name of a foreign country or city. Double shot if they pause to slowly correct themselves.
Anyone, including the moderator, gets mixed up about which war he’s talking about.

Special rules:

Take one drink the first time President Obama mentions Osama bin Laden. Take two drinks the second time. And three drinks the third. Keep increasing the number of drinks accordingly each time he mentions him. And so on and so forth, so on the sixth time President Obama mentions bin Laden, you should take six drinks.

Buy a truck full of tequila, drive straight to Mexico, and open a bar under an assumed name if Romney responds to any of Obama’s bin Laden mentions by saying “you didn’t build that.”

Anyone got another one to add to this list?

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@Richard Wheeler: Define “beholden to the Tea Party,” please.

anticsrocks
nice to read you,
you must have been very busy all this time
bye

Anticsrocks You once told me of a Karl Rove prediction that had Repubs winning either 58 or 59 Senate seats. Do you remember that? I strongly disagreed. Rove seems to be out in front of most polls as are you with a prediction of a 6 point Romney win. In the future I promise not to conflate your ideas and predictions with those of Rove’s.
” Not beholden to Tea Party” means they did not assist in his election and therefore he owes them nothing.

@ilovebeeswarzone: Health issues, Beezy. Thanks for the welcome!

@Richard Wheeler: Fair enough. I don’t put a lot of stock into what Mr. Rove says, but I don’t take anything away from him. He’s a very smart guy.

You misunderstand me on the Tea Party question. What I meant was how can one be beholden to a philosophy of smaller government, lower taxes and Constitutional adherence.

@anticsrocks:

@Liberal1 (Objectivity): Think Progress is your source?…

Biased? Why of course the Sorosanuats at Think Progress are biased. Ultimately however, it is the consistent unreliable quality of Think Progress' work product that makes Think Progress normatively useless as an authoritative source.

anticsrocks
that cross my mind, hope it improve on a better level,
the trick is to give time the need it require to heal properly,
take it easy, we are behind you.
bye

@anticsrocks: Richard, as always good point. I am not a Tea Party Member but I support certain aspects of their agenda and platform. My view would be that first of all Tea Party Patriots vote, secondly they may not be totally enthused about Mitt as the candidate choice, thirdly and I believe important is that no matter their misgivings about Mitt they know theat 0-blama is a failed President and will NOT vote for him. This same scenario is likely playing out in many households but I also believe that many households have now concluded that Mitt is a better choice than the failure we have now. This is a change from the beginning of the election cycle and could be the difference.

Anticsrocks It’s good to have you back! One thing’s sure,you don’t ignore me.lol
The basic principles of the Tea Party are fine. It’s the “leaders”, real or perceived that give pause to most Dems. and many moderates and Indies. People like Palin, Bachmann,Santorum and Perry turn off the very voters Romney must secure in order to win.
I’ll say again that Romney is running a great campaign. From the scorched earth “Conservative” that burned Gingrich,Perry,Santorum and Cain to the Mass. Moderate RINO positioned to win The Presidency.
INHO Mitt is VERY similar to Mac. The big difference is the BHO of 2012 barely resembles the BHO of 2008. As a Dem. it’s tough to watch.
The soaring ‘There are no blue states,no red states only the United States” is gone. Mitt the RINO ” I have and I will reach across the aisle to my Dem. friends” has usurped the roll of UNITER.
BRILLIANT
Semper Fi

@Richard Wheeler:

So… who ya gonna vote for this time Wheeler?

Aye
Rich Wheeler is trying to influence from behind like OBAMA
BYE

AYE The candidate of Hope and Change lol

anticsrocks
may I ask , if it’s what you have been waiting for so long?

@Richard Wheeler:

AYE The candidate of Hope and Change lol

That guy is nowhere to be found this year sir.

Considering that… are you voting for Romney? Or are you going to prove that you’re still a slow learner?

Richard Weeler
except there is no hope in his kind of change forwhat?

Aye Don’t tell Romney that. Hope and Change is exactly what he is promising right now. It’s what the majority of voters are AGAIN looking for. My vote? I’ll let you know on Nov. 5.

Semper Fi Go Irish

@Richard Wheeler:

All presidential candidates promise “change.” From John Adams to Barack Obama, but most of them wanted change for the good, not to drive this nation into third world status.

retire05
MEGYN ON FOX IS TALKING OF THE LETTER THEY OBAMA RECEIVE ON DAY ONE
OF THE BENGHASI ATTACK BY TERRORISTS,
IT IS DEVASTATING FOR OBAMA TO NOT HAVE TOLD THE PEOPLE ABOUT IT,
NOW THE PEOPLE ARE NO MORE TRUSTING OBAMA,
NOW IMAGINE IT IF AN ATTACK IN THE USA HAPPEN FOR THE PEOPLE TO DEFEND THEM AND FAMILY,
OBAMA would tell his staff to keep it secret to save his neck ,
THEY WOULD NOT TELL THE PEOPLE NOTHING,
CAN WE SEE THE TRAGEDY HAPPENING , AND IT IS IN THE REALITY OF THE POSSIBLE NOW AFTER THE FOUR GOT MURDER AND MASSACRE

@ilovebeeswarzone: You mean why have I been absent from FA?

anticsrocks
yes if you put it this way,are you still on the waiting list?

CommonSense I agree that many American voters are torn between a candidate who for many reasons has not been able to bring us together, and one who is NOW playing the role of a moderate uniter.
Over the coming days I will be watching and listening to Mitt VERY closely and may not decide until election eve.

Well said again Rich. I admire your candor and how you are applying a process to your decision. I believe there are a lot of Americans going through the same right now.

anticsrocks
hi, you know, I think I found why now the women are coming on MITT ROMNEY SIDE,
IT’S BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT LAUGHING AT OBAMA jokes depicting MITT ROMNEY,
THE WOMENS LET IT GO AT THE BEGINNING BUT OBAMA OVERDONE HIS ATTACKS,
and the women are seeing this and are disgusted by his behavior,
I think he look stone when he talk to the young people mostly student
with a mother who has her fill of the OBAMA RHETORIC,
THEY REALIZE THEY HAVE THE RIGHT PRESIDENT IN MITT ROMNEY,
CLEAN CLASS AND A FAMILY MAN, WHICH THE WOMEN LIKE THE PROFILE,

@ilovebeeswarzone: Yes, I’m still waiting on a donor heart.

anticsrocks,
I hope you are done waiting soon,
I know you have the smart to remain on readiness and fit with an every day discipline aiming
at an easier recovery after it’s done, that where the long waiting must be to shorten the recovery time,
so to have the balance at the end between the waiting and recovery.
that’s being said, you are not waiting for nothing,
best to you.

@ilovebeeswarzone: Thank you Beezy. Part of the long wait is that due to medical complications, I have to find a surgeon that will take me as a patient. I had done that, and found a surgeon; however he moved his practice so I had to start all over. Thankfully, I found a new cardiac surgeon who has agreed to do my transplant, so I will be back on the list again.

anticsrocks
yes, it sound positive for something to be done might be sooner than with the other one,
we have your back you know that,
thank you for the info positive to my gut’s feeling,
keep us informed okay,
bye

Hi antics,

Transplant? Cardiac? you o.k.? I shouldn’t be raising your stress level. I’m sorry. – Larry

@openid.aol.com: No worries, Larry. I wear big boy pants and can give as good as I get. I’ve raised 8 children, 7 of which have been or are teenagers so nothing here on FA affects my blood pressure.

Antics: Hang Tough, you have at least one true fan in the cyber mist.

However, I am confident, Larry is genuinely interested in your welfare. Even Liberals can have compassion.

@Skookum: LOL, thank you!

@anticsrocks: #174,

Antics, Godspeed. As you know, the heart has become a very familiar organ to the medical community – heart surgeons really know what they’re doing. Having spent my share of time in the cardiac wards of hospitals through the past number of years, I have witnessed what I can describe as human miracles. I have also very positively benefitted personally from the expertise which presides over the cardiac ward operating rooms.

I also know that some of the quieter moments can be difficult, but the mind is a very powerful instrument which can be effective in the healing process, and when you add your indomitable Spirit, the combination will win the day for you. Plus, you are in good hands. All best wishes on this segment of your journey.

@James Raider: Thank you very much James. I am a firm believer in the power of prayer.

MITT ROMNEY JUST DELIVER A FABULOUS SPEECH TO THE CROWD ABOUT 10,000 PEOPLE,
SO ENERGIZE AND YOU COULD SEE THE HOPE IN THEIR FACES,
HE TALK OF ASPIRING BIGGER THAN ONE’S LIFE, THAT IS INSPIRING FOR THE PEOPLE
WHO ARE CONSTANTLY HUMILIATED AND TOLD THEY DIDN’T DO ANYTHING, DID NOT BUILD WHAT THEY HAVE AND ONLY OBAMA CAN HELP THEM WITH FOOD STAMPS AND CELL PHONES
WHICH BELONG TO A FOREIGN COMPANY MAKING BILLIONS OUT OF THIS SCAM,
WHAT A DIFFERENCE OF LEADING,
THUG UNION WHO LOVE THE MUSLIM COUNTRIES BETTER, AGAINST CLASS AND SMART WHO LOVE AMERICA,
AMERICANS THAT’S YOUR CHOICE

THE SUBJECT ON FOX IS ABOUT CELEBRITY ENDORSING OBAMA
geez we already forgot their names,
but CLINT EASTWOOD IS NOT FORGOTTEN, THE BEST CELEBRITY TO COME ON
ANY RALLIES, WITH ONLY A CHAIR AND THE ALL TIME FAVORED PITCH.
GO AHEAD, MAKE MY DAY,
NOT TO BE FORGOTTEN,