3 Oct

Romney/Obama Debate Open Thread

                                       

Should of put this up sooner but duty calls. From what I’ve seen of the debate it appears Romney is doing very well indeed.

Earlier, many seemed to be longing for Newt as the nominee, to go in for the attack. Romney did it with grace and substance, without looking like a bully. Yes?

Romney gave Republicans a lot of it tonight. He was crisp, clear, and commanding, while President Obama flailed, forgetting to drive home any message in particular. On twitter, liberals were offering Obama a lot of suggestions for what he should be saying–just as conservatives have done for Romney in recent weeks. They know he lost this debate, and lost it soundly. I cannot think of a single exchange Obama won, and even his best lines were curiously flat when delivered. Obama’s strategy, to the extent he had one, seemed to be to make the race a referendum on the challenger. The cost of that strategy, at least as implemented tonight, was that it made Romney look more presidential than the president.

P.S. I said the other day that the press would not allow Romney to be seen as the winner of any debate. I think the only way to make it will be able to make that case after tonight is to say that the debate won’t change the dynamic of the race. The debate itself just doesn’t give much material to anyone inclined to spin for Obama.

Mitt Romney stood and delivered the best debate performance by a Republican presidential candidate in more than two decades. Romney spoke crisply about the next four years as well as the last four years, was detailed in clarifying the choice of paths ahead, and seemed more comfortable, more energetic—and even more presidential—than the incumbent.

Romney comes out of the debate with momentum. Can his campaign turn a very good debate into a true inflection point in the presidential race?

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Curt served in the Marine Corps for four years and has been a law enforcement officer in Los Angeles for the last 20 years.
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83 Responses to Romney/Obama Debate Open Thread

  1. EBL says: 51

    I am happy too. Don’t get me wrong…but
    Don’t get cocky! This is not over yet.

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  2. another vet says: 52

    @drjohn: That’s what usually happens when bullies are confronted- they whither up. Last night was the first time anyone had the cajones to stand up to him on the national stage. I’m sure Obama’s team will go over the negatives of his performance and he will work those out for the next two debates. Romney just needs to keep pressing on and keep the upper hand.

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  3. I’m afraid that next debate, will get OBAMA waving the racist card to MITT ROMNEY,
    he surely is as furious as when he got silence by THE PRESIDENT OF ISRAEL,
    THE WHITE HOUSE heard him yelling at his helper
    no more, you hear? no more
    but this time , there is more, and he cannot run from it,

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  4. Nan G says: 54

    After thinking about their performances and turning off the ”spin machine,” I have to say Romney had Portman as his “Obama” in debate prep and it showed.
    Portman must have really been a tough version of Obama.
    Romney was more than ready for the Obama who showed up.
    As to Obama, he went to a resort to get ready but he couldn’t buckle down.
    Think about that.
    Three days of working was too much for Obama.
    He played hookie a couple times in THREE DAYS!
    (Once he got pizza and took it to one of his campaign offices and partied with the kids there. The other time he went miles away to sight see the Hoover Dam.)
    This is a man who has sat in office and (to paraphrase him) pretended to work while really watching TV.
    All of this lack of work ethic on Obama’s part showed in the debate.
    One of my Senators (Barbara Boxer) is like Obama in that her actual job is done by groups of her staff, she is just the figurehead.
    We are learning that Obama, too, is just the figurehead of the presidency.
    He has czars for the heavy lifting.
    In fact, who else recalls his trial balloon (shot down in one day) that the USA should have TWO presidents?
    One who gives (reads) speeches and shakes hands and campaigns while the other actually runs the executive branch.
    He has never buckled down to work with pleasure.
    He has avoided it when possible.
    As to the “Blue Dogs” costing Obama his agenda in the 1st 2 years, a REAL LEADER could have reasoned with them.
    Obama demanded Pelosi and Reid do his own heavy lifting for his agenda.
    He didn’t try.

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  5. Liberal1 (Objectivity) says: 55

    Romney was like some sales people—they will say anything, no matter how questionable, to make the sale. That’s what Romney did last night.

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  6. Common Sense says: 56

    @Liberal1 (Objectivity): Wow, coming from someone who supports 0-blama?? Let me help you, 0-blama said he would cut the deficit in half and unemployment below by 6%!! Now tell me who said what to get elected?? Geez what a tool.

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  7. Hard Right says: 57

    @Greg:

    Try going to Romney’s website. It’s there.

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  8. Aqua says: 58

    @Common Sense:
    I have no idea what you’re talking about as it relates to my post.

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  9. Randy says: 59

    @another vet: I am not sure he can work them out! Obama has believed that he is king. He has issued more than 900 executive orders which is more than all of the presidents prior to him totaled. He just wants to live in the White House and play basket ball, travel play golf and have expensive dinners. He doesn’t want to do the work that is required of the president. It is hard to gear up your approach to a debate when you really do not want to do the job!

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  10. Randy says: 60

    @Common Sense: Please do not use the word tool in this context. A tool has value and uses.

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  11. nancy luna says: 62

    @checkers:
    Yes, Obama definitely looked like he was drugged! I think someone slipped him something. He reminded me of a patient I had who was having a bad reaction to Prozac! I hope they bring this up. I hope this doesn’t mean they will just steal the election. Mitt Romney must have practised his facial expressions in front of the mirror for weeks. So fake, but most people who haven’t been paying attention will probably believe it. Actually, he looked high. Have you sever seen him so confident and grinning?

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  12. Hard Right says: 63

    If obama doesn’t come out fighting and lying more aggressively next time, he is definitely toast.

    Love the lefty denial. “The moderator was weak. obama was sooo presidential. Romney was a jerk to obama. Romney was lying..he just had to be!!! Leftist fact checkers please! (please tell me my fantasy world/view of myself is correct)

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  13. Randy says: 64

    Now we know why Obama did so poorly. An expert on the environment said it was the altitude!
    http://www.businessinsider.com/al-gore-obama-debate-reaction-altitude-romney-wins-denver-2012-10

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  14. Nan G says: 65

    I was talking with a black friend and Obama supporter.
    He thought Obama was afraid of being seen as ”an angry black man.”
    Now David Axelrod is saying Obama WILL be more aggressive next time out.

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  15. Common Sense says: 66

    @Randy: I stand corrected, will useful idiot be more appropriate??

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  16. retire05 says: 67

    @Hard Right:

    I don’t go to Debbie Schlussel’s website. I posted on her site a couple of times, but during the GOP primaries she was saying things that were blatantly false, and I mentioned to her that she should get her facts straight. What came next was shocking; for three days I received the most vile, hateful threatening emails from her. After the first one, I asked her to “cease and desist” but she continue to send me these horrible emails. They were so foul that I finally turned them over to my local sheriff and gave him copies of all of them because she was really making some radical threats. He contacted a FBI friend who told me to save her emails. It was only when I informed her that I had turned her emails over to law enforcement that she stopped.

    But during that time I was not the only one she was sending these threatening emails to. She was attacking other bloggers both verbally and with other implied threats. Schlussel is a certified lunatic.

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  17. retire05 says: 68

    The left will come out with some of the most absurd reasons for Obama’s poor performance last night; he was tired, he was suffering from the Denver altitude, he had other things on his mind, he didn’t have time to prepare because of the Libya situation, yada, yada, yada.

    The truth of it is that Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. is president. He should be able to respond to any question about our nation, our economy, Social Security, Medicare, Obamacare, etc. without having to prepare because he is involved in those issues each and every day. It is his responsibility to be informed and to know exactly what the situation is.

    The most pathetic part of Obama’s performance to me was his trying to tell Mitt Romney what he, Obama, is GOING to do, not what he has done. If he is going to save SS/Medicare, why hasn’t he done it by now? If he is going to increase employment, why hasn’t he done it by now? Four years ago he ran on “I’m not George Bush” but that no longer works, now he’s trying to run on “I’m not Barack Obama.”

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  18. James Raider says: 69

    Why did Obama require a pile of “cheat cards” to provide him his talking points?

    Not smart enough to remember them?

    Doesn’t know what is really going on in the country he’s supposed to have led for 4 years?

    . . . . Proof of a lazy, uninquisitive mind, and a level of narcissism which is more acute than we think.

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  19. Aye says: 70

    Romney strapped Obie to the top of his car and took him for a cross country trip last night.

    The most brutal political debate I have seen. Evah.

    This one will be studied in Poli-Sci classes for years and years to come.

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  20. Curt says: 71

    @bbartlog: Plenty of misgivings bbart. He is still ObamaLite to me but my vote may be changing from a “anyone but Obama” vote to an actual vote FOR Romney. Not that it matter, like Tom I am not in a battleground state so my vote won’t help at all but my money and my campaigning for him will a small amount I suppose. Still too wishy washy conservative wise but it is what it is. I have never been the type to sit out an election, or vote for someone who has no chance (thus making my vote for Obama in actuality) so it was always going to be for anyone but Obama but he did an impressive job last night sounding Presidential instead of some spoiled little brat who gets butthurt if someone dares question him….cough Obama cough.

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  21. Curt says: 72

    @nancy luna:

    Yes, Obama definitely looked like he was drugged!

    Man o’ man…you know the lefties are going bonkers when they try this excuse.

    Wow

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  22. Aye says: 73

    @Curt:

    AlGore is blaming the altitude. No, I am not kidding.

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  23. Wordsmith says: 75

    More tweets for your post, Curt:

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  24. Taqiyyotomist says: 76

    With permission by Ann Barnhardt, unedited:

    TRULY SCARY
    POSTED BY ANN BARNHARDT – OCTOBER 3, AD 2012 9:21 PM MST
    I didn’t watch the debate. I went over to a Friend’s house and talked, read some Aquinas, and then talked some more. Then I went to Chick-Fil-A.
    I find myself with an intense feeling of dread after reading the wrap-up comments.

    Obama got his ass kicked, or to be more precise, kicked his own ass. From what people are saying, it seems clear that Obama did not prepare in any way, shape or form. More on point, Valerie Jarrett, Michelle Obama and David Axelrod did not force Obama to prepare. At all.

    This implies two things. First, the “less-bad” implication:

    No preparation was done because they know that the elections will be fixed and none of them care, least of all Barry who is a drug-addled imbecile and doesn’t care about much beyond his next gram of coke and male fellation.

    What really, really is bothering me and has me genuinely scared (yes, I do feel fear) is the fact that it can now no longer be denied that Barack Obama is worth more to his neo-Stalinist handlers dead than alive.

    Someone has to say it. It might as well be me.

    There has been buzz of a false-flag assassination attempt contingency plan among the Valerie Jarrett gang, but after this, I am genuinely scared that the false-flag assassination may no longer be a mere attempt, but a full-on JFK scenario.

    Obama the man is now a liability to the putsch. These people are evil on a scale that most people cannot fathom, and Barry has only ever been a puppet and a tool to them.

    Join me in praying for the safety of Barack Obama or whatever the hell his name is. He needs to be removed, arrested, tried and convicted for what he has done in the calmest, most orderly way possible. If his own handlers false-flag assassinate him, the entire world will fall into tyranny almost overnight, and my fear is that is exactly what they want, and they may be audacious and desperate enough to do it – especially after tonight.

    Stay frosty. Pray hard.
    —snip—

    I couldn’t agree more. The Democrat party knows what works, from dark experience.

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  25. openid.aol.com/runnswim says: 77

    Here’s the most insightful take I’ve yet read on the potential importance of the Romney butt-kicking:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/10/04/how-much-will-the-debate-move-the-polls/

    Overall, I’d expect the polls to tighten, perhaps even substantially. But how much they tighten will be very telling. Wednesday was as good a night as Romney can expect to have in the rest of this campaign, in front of as big an audience as he’ll get, with a maximum of media coverage. So his bounce will help tell us how many voters really remain persuadable, or at least how many of the persuadable voters are paying attention to the final events of the campaign. If that number is high, Romney should close the gap substantially, if not pull slightly ahead. If it’s low, he won’t see much bounce, and it will be that much harder to see his path to victory.

    - Larry Weisenthal/Huntington Beach CA

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  26. Nan G says: 78

    @openid.aol.com/runnswim:
    Interesting find from the WaPo, Larry.
    I wonder where I heard (or read) that the audience for each debate gets larger as we get closer to the election?
    The WaPo writer seems to think it will get smaller.
    Still the bounce numbers will be interesting.

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  27. retire05 says: 79

    @openid.aol.com/runnswim:

    You can only hope the WaPo is right. But each debate will address a different issue and I’m sure the one on foreign policy (on which Obama is an abstract failure) will draw a lot of viewers.

    Hopefully by then Congress will demand the firing of Janet Napolitano for the deaths of Brian Terry and Agent Ivie. She can share a cell with Eric Holder and fend off any advances toward Holder from the inmates.

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  28. Aye says: 80

    Heh!

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  29. another vet says: 81

    @openid.aol.com/runnswim: Per Rasmussen. 17% may not sound like a lot, but it can be a huge shift in votes. His last poll had the undecided at 3% meaning that there are those who have made a choice already but could switch from one candidate to the other.

    BTW, thanks for the offer on the other thread. I would give you a heads up ahead of time.

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/september_2012/just_17_view_debates_as_very_important_to_how_they_will_vote

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  30. Common Sense says: 82

    AARP just told 0-blama to lay off. Don’t believe them, they are in bed with this loser.

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  31. another vet says: 83

    @Common Sense:Everything they send me gets thrown in the garbage without reading it.

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