What the flying f&%k is our President doing about this?
This is our soverign ground, just as our warships are America every embassy across the globe is America and right now the flag of al-Qaeda, those responsible for 9/11 and thousands upon thousands of American deaths, is flying over American soil.
A black Islamic flag is flying over the U.S. embassy in Tunisia after it was stormed by a mob of protesters today – as anger at an American-made anti-Islam film resulted in chaos across the world.
Symbols of America and U.S. embassies have been targeted around the globe in a fourth day of protest after Tuesday’s deadly raid on the American consulate in Libya.
In Tunisian capital Tunis, a mob overran the U.S. embassy compound, scaling the walls and setting fire to cars before tearing down the Stars and Stripes and replacing it with the symbol of Islam.
No U.S. staff were in the embassy in the city, where an American school has also been set on fire.
A large cloud of black smoke rose around the U.S. embassy as stone-throwing protesters and police waged a pitched battle.
Thousands of demonstrators massed outside the embassy and several were seen climbing the outer wall of the embassy grounds and raising a flag on which was written the Muslim profession of faith.
The protesters chanted ‘Obama, Obama, we are all Osamas’.
And all this is a coordinated attack by our enemy. The film is nothing but a excuse (and most likely a part of the coordinated attack) designed to get moderate Muslims angry (fanatical Islamists are always angry so no need to do anything special for them), and to keep tensions high to achieve their ultimate goal. To make the world bow to Islam and do what they want, making the “slandering” of Islam unlawful across the globe.
Cited as the Pentagon’s leading expert on Islamic law, Stephen Coughlin also caught up with TheBlaze to talk about the “ten-year plan” that was drafted by Islamists in 2005 intended to make Islamic slander a crime — not just in Islamic countries, but across the globe.
“And now they are putting that into action,” he said pointedly.
Coughlin explained that there was never an “Arab Spring,” but rather, a “Salafist-Muslim Brotherhood takeover” in the Middle East and that accepting that fact is key to understanding Islamists’ strategy.
He asked for people think back to the disproportionate outrage that ensued in the Muslim community over the Pope’s 2009 comments about Islamic tyranny, and to the fist Quran burning in Florida led by pastor Terry Jones.
Both incidents, according to the attorney and scholar, were actually first reported on in the Muslim world not Western media. The goal, he claimed, was to “manufacture an event” with which to incite violence and ultimately “subordinate the U.S. First Amendment.“ It was engineered ”to get President Bush, Obama, whoever…to say ‘sorry.’” Thus the goal is to compel the West to blame the West for bringing violence upon itself.
He added that there is a “total lack of situational and strategic awareness” in U.S. government and that groups like the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), the Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA) and American Islamists are actively attempting to “get us to defeat ourselves.”
“We have allowed ourselves to be surrounded by Muslim Brotherhood front groups” in government who are even affecting the training of our officials. His advice to Romney or any lawmaker moving forward is simple: “Jihadists are fighting in accordance with Islamic law…when they say they are jihadists, [at least] pretend that they mean it.”
So where is our leader?
Golf? Fundraiser?
The man is not a leader. He’s a campaigner.
So in a word….we’re screwed.
Exit picture:
In one Middle East country the American Flag still flies
@GregSucks:
I’m relatively sure it still classified. Notice that he talked all around Mata’s questions and totally avoided answering them. Greg, I think you overlooked the fact that there was no one there to do that destruction, remember, they had NO SECURITY as per the lack of directions of the imminent Secretary of State.
And with your ‘working theory’ that this was spontaneous, rockets and co-ordinated off site weapons firing into the area. Certainly sounds ‘spontaneous’ About as spontaneous as a speeder being stopped in a speed trap. You can talk in circles all day, but the buck stops somewhere, it used to be the Oval office, now it seems as if you think it should be in the other party’s candidate. That should have been in the Sunday Funnies.
@Redteam, #101:
They had contracted Libyan security, and private contracted security that were former Navy Seals. How long does it take such information to sink in and be processed? They themselves were there to destroy classified material. You don’t know that they didn’t.
The administration has been criticized for their decisions in retrospect. In retrospect, it would have been better to have had a full company of Marines and a heavily fortified compound. In hindsight, anyone can expound on how things could have been. Hindsight doesn’t count for squat.
The ambassador and his staff are being portrayed as hapless victims, who had nothing to say about their circumstances. That’s not very likely. The people on the ground have a lot to say about that.
Probably as long as it takes for it to sink in for you as to the tasks of all these individuals associated, and what they are actually protecting. Maybe it’s different than 40 years ago, or perhaps you are assuming everyone is employed for the same reason.
The permimeter is protected by the host country. Marine Security Guards protect the classified information and, if the building is breached they protect that first and also aid in the safety of the diplomats. Diplomatic Security Officers are members of the Foreign Service, and function in a more managerial position for the facility’s staff – i.e. investigating visa fraud, screening potential employees and liaisons with the host security tasks.
Private Security Contractors are tasked with maintaining security outside of the facility. They are often stationed at the perimeter to check entry IDs, and are not necessarily US citizens. Many are citizens of the host country.
So neither the Libyan security or private contractors – even tho the private contractors were former SEALs – are in charge (or even cleared) of/for protecting classified intel housed in the facility.
For your education, Sharon Weinberger at Popular Mechanics dove into the who and what’s of diplomatic security.
You can try as you might, but when it comes to lost sensitive documents, and the death of diplomats, those tasked foremost with the intel, and secondly with protecting the diplomats, are Marine Security Guards…. the guys who were MIA in appointed duties at Benghazi. The State Dept has the full power to place them at these facilities, and it does not have to take years.
I think it’s safe to say that even having the Marine Security Guards wouldn’t have prevented the attack, nor the over running of the facility. But they may have been able to save some lives, and to destroy the intel before it was absconded by the bad guys.
@MataHarley, #103:
I believe I suggested to someone here 3 or 4 days ago that they should look up the function of Marine Corps Embassy Security Group detachments. I’m aware of what they do and of their mission priorities. I’m also aware that they’re not assigned to all diplomatic locations, and that where they are assigned, they’re often present in very low numbers–there’s a minimum detachment size of 5, I believe. There are reasons to have them, and there are sometimes reasons not to have them. That decision probably isn’t made by flipping a coin.
In other locations, security of classified data is the responsibility of the staff. People might very much want to make a case that important secret documents were scattered around on desktops and in office file cabinets, and have now fallen into hostile hands, but I’m not going for it. I’m figuring that any sensitive data that resided locally–and these days, there’s really not much of a need for that–was encrypted on password protected computer hard drives, and that those hard drives all went up in bright flashes and were reduced to smoking metal and plastic as soon as it became apparent there was danger of the facility being breached. That would have been the first order of business.
@Greg, you’re still running into a dead end on the State Dept’s responsibility.
I already posted a link to the Marine Corps statement in my comment #95. I provided this to James Raider, and already a couple of times here on various threads. They addressed the MCESGs in that statement:
We have three discussions it seems. The first is who’s responsibility it is to protect classified information. Both of us agree that it is the Marines. It is not the Libyan Security, the diplomats or staff, or the Private Contractors, some of those you mentioned above.
The second discussion is whether that got done. Of course not since there were no MCESGs stationed at the consulate, or at Tripoli’s Embassy.
The third discussion is could it have been done, should it have been done, and who’s responsibility is that? And those answers are yes, yes, and the State Dept.
Nor did the State Dept think the security threat was enough to send a FAST platoon. Whether the intel was specific enough or not, I’m not in the “need to know” category to comment. But it’s beyond absurd to have a facility in eastern Libya, where activity and rogue groups remain active and armed, to house intelligence and not have a Marines present to do the job they can do… and that the State Dept can provide.
Ohhhh greg.
http://hotair.com/archives/2012/09/16/rice-benghazi-attack-was-spontaneous-libya-no-it-wasnt/
GREG
YOU SAID THE AMBASSADOR AND STAFF ARE PORTRAY AS HAPLESS VICTIMS,
WHO HAS NOTHING TO SAY
YES THEY ARE VICTIMS, WHO HAS NOTHING TO SAY ANYMORE,
BECAUSE THAT PART OF LIBYA TURN OUT TO TELL US IT WAS A VERY DANGEROUS PLACE TO PUT AN AMBASSADE LACKING OF SECURITY, LEFT TO A SECURITY FROM HATERS, WHICH DID NOT HELP THEM BUT KILL THEM,
HOW’S THAT FOR PUTTING JUST A FEW GOOD AMERICANS IN A LION’S DENT?
WHEN WE KNOW THEIR PROFILE OF MOB INVASION AND VIOLENCE AND BLOODIED MURDER. BUT OBAMA WAS CONFIDENT OF THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD SO MUCH,
BECAUSE, HE HAD DEVELOP A FRIENDSHIP WITH THEM,
What come to my mind now as we see the mobs multiply around other COUNTRIES,
IS THE DANGER OF LOOKING AT THEIR STRONG ALLIANCES BETWEEN EACH FACTIONS,
AND THEN I recall the fact that the MUSLIMS BROTHERHOOD LEADER MET WITH IRAN
JUST LAST WEEK BEFORE THAT MOB STARTED,SO AGAIN I THINK OF AN ALLIANCE THEY MIGHT
HAVE CONCLUDED,LIKE WE’LL HELP YOU IN THE ISRAEL CONFLICT AND IT WILL COST YOU THAT????
SO WHAT THEY ARE DOING NOW, I THINK THE DANGER IS THEY WANT THE USA TO COME AND NOT AS ONE BUT DIVIDED IN MANY OF THEIR COUNTRIES WHICH WOULD RENDER THE USA IF THEY DIVIDE THEIR FORCES IN MINI WARS BE RENDERED EAZIER TO KILL ALONG IRAN MOVING IN
WHILE THE MAJORITY OF MILITARY ARE IN THE MIDDLE EAST
WITH ITS NUCLEAR NEW WEAPONS GETTING AS MANY CASUALTYS AS POSSIBLE AND GETTING ISRAEL TO A CONFRONTATION BETWEEN THESE TWO ALONE WHEN THE USA FORCES ARE BUSY UNABLE TO HELP ISRAEL TO PULVERIZE IRAN’S TROOPS. BECAUSE THE USA IS SURROUNDED,
IN A HOLE AGAINST THE ENLARGED CRESCENT ALMOST CLOSED TO A CIRCLE,
ALL THIS WHILE THE PEOPLE OF AMERICA ARE BEING ASSAULTED AND TORTURED BY THE SAME FACTIONS OF MUSLIMS LIVING IN THE USA AS SLEEPERS JUST PREPARED AND READY TO ATTACK THE AMERICANS, CAUGHT BY SURPRISE AND STUNT BY NOT BELIEVING IT COULD HAVE HAPPENNED IN AMERICA,
@Greg: Greg #102
True, and that’s all you are dealing with. EC and Sec of State were responsible for seeing that Americans were protected. They failed. Your hindsight will not absolve nor diminish their utter failure to do their job. Yes, I’m sure you would like them to have a ‘do over’ and they would use that opportunity to ‘give a damn’. To this day, I’ve seen no indication of any reaction from EC except to blame it on a You tube video. He hasn’t missed one campaign stop. I’m not sure he even understands what he did wrong. He’s a total Zero.
the mob just burn the picture of OBAMA
ON GRETA NOW
Redteam
hi, thank you for telling me that info about the comment not coming home,
I thought it was my error, so not liking that you also have the problem but I feel more comfort to not suffer alone, I notifye CURT, HE MUST BE TOO BUSY RIGHT NOW,
WE WILL SURELY HEAR ABOUT HIM ON HIS TIME,
IF I do before you I will let you know, and hope you’ll do the same for me
bye
I did appreciate you telling me thank’s again
Redteam
you know I THINK the MUSLIMS REACT TO THE BLACK MOON,
THEY ACTED UNDER THAT MOON.
I’m just an ordinary senior citizen and have read with interest all the foregoing comments about the tragedy in Benghazi. As a non-military person, my perception is, Obama and Hillary screwed up big-time. Obama thinks because he’s said the Muslims are our friends and we should make nice with them that it’s fact. For there to be no real muscle in our embassies in the Muslim world of extremists who hate Americans is, to me, ludicrous. I keep reading and hearing politically correct folks state that Muslims are “peaeful”. I personally think that’s a crock. Their stated aims are to wipe Israel off the face of the map, convert the entire world to Muslim so-called religion following Sharia laws (they are even trying it in the U.S., Great Britain and the rest of the Western world.. I can’t for the life of me understand why all embassies and consulates in the middle east are not staffed with the maximum number of armed (including live ammunition in their weapons) Marines and given the order to shoot anyone who breaches the compound walls. We have politically correct wimps in control in D.C. and now we have a dead ambassador plus 3 others and many wounded. How’s that working for you Mr. President?
It is very probable that Amb. Stevens and the two contractors, with unexplained duties were in Benghazi to gather information as to the whereabouts of weapons seized by the rebels in what has been and continues to be an area that supports AQ. That would account for classified materials naming contacts, sources, networks, arms caches etc. Unfortunately they found them the hard way.