It happened about 80 years ago. In Germany.
Sensing the political firestorm coming, democrats scrambled to insert God and Jerusalem back into their platform, having intially rejecting them.
CHARLOTTE, N.C. (AP) — Needled by Mitt Romney and other Republicans, Democrats hurriedly rewrote their convention platform Wednesday to add a mention of God and declare Jerusalem the capital of Israel after President Barack Obama intervened to order the changes.
The embarrassing reversal was compounded by chaos and uncertainty on the convention floor, requiring three votes before a ruling that the amendments had been approved. Many in the audience booed the decision.
The episode exposed tensions on Israel within the party, put Democrats on the defensive and created a public relations spectacle as Obama arrived in the convention city to claim his party’s nomination for a second term.
The language in the party platform — a political document — does not affect actual U.S. policy toward Israel. The administration has long said that determining Jerusalem’s status is an issue that should be decided in peace talks by Israelis and Palestinians.
Obama intervened directly to get the language changed both on Jerusalem and to reinstate God in the platform, according to campaign officials who insisted on anonymity to describe behind-the-scenes party negotiations. They said Obama’s reaction to the omission of God from the platform was to wonder why it was removed in the first place.
Lederman and Pace may have Obama wondering why the language was removed in the first place, but Obama apparently did know about it and raised no objection.
CHARLOTTE, N.C. — Two platform planks sparked division at the Democratic National Convention here Wednesday.
Things got so bad that President Barack Obama was forced to personally intervene, ordering language mentioning God and naming Jerusalem as the rightful capital of Israel be added.
Obama had seen the language prior to the convention, a campaign source said, but did not seek to change it until after Republicans jumped on the omissions of God and Jerusalem late Wednesday. And even then, it had to be forced through a convention hall full of delegates who nearly shouted down the change.
This wasn’t done out of any belief system. democrats at the convention booed the change and they have made it clear that they want nothing to do with God or Israel.
It was Mitt Romney.
Mitt Romney on Wednesday slammed the Democratic Party’s initial decision to remove from its platform a passage affirming Jerusalem as Israel’s capital, calling it just “one more example of Israel being thrown under the bus by the president.”
Romney — in an interview filmed before the Democrats restored both the word “God” and the passage about Jerusalem to the platform — told Fox News’s Carl Cameron that the omission of Jerusalem was a “very troubling development.”
“The president and his party have now changed their position. They now say that they’re not certain what the capital of Israel might be,” Romney said. “I find that one more example of Israel being thrown under the bus by the president. I think it’s a very sad day.”
Watch Dick Durbin melt down in denial.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KorGpTUVLkw[/youtube]
America finally has the opportunity to see what the democrat party is all about and what they believe.
It ain’t pretty.
And speaking of alternate realities:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzylMpPC3PQ[/youtube]
I leave you with democrats on an escalator
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XivNwQ76mCs[/youtube]
But really- who needs God when you have Obama?
DrJohn has been a health care professional for more than 30 years. In addition to clinical practice he has done extensive research and has published widely with over 70 original articles and abstracts in the peer-reviewed literature. DrJohn is well known in his field and has lectured on every continent except for Antarctica. He has been married to the same wonderful lady for over 30 years and has three kids- two sons, both of whom are attorneys and one daughter on her way into the field of education.
DrJohn was brought up with the concept that one can do well if one is prepared to work hard but nothing in life is guaranteed.
Except for liberals being foolish.
Hard Right
don’t loose your right because you have the right to be right all the times,
what ever soft right or middle right or hard right when the TROLLS COME HERE,
YOU ARE ALL THOSE RIGHTS, AND WHEN THE HARD LEFT OR THE MIDDLE LEFT, OR THE SOFT LEFT,
SCARE THE PEOPLE CALLING ALL THE CONSERVATIVES HARD RIGHT, THEY ARE IGNORANT AND DON’T KNOW WHAT IT MEAN TO BE RIGHT, BECAUSE THEY PEOPLE THINK HARD RIGHT IS EXTREME RIGHT
BECAUSE THE OBAMA CREW TOLD THEM THAT THE RIGHT WING IS DANGEROUS, IT’S ABOUT TIME THEY LEARN THE HARD RIGHT IS VERY TOLERANT AND LOVED AMERICA MOST OF ALL,
AND ARE THE BRAVES WHO STAND TALL TO WHAT IS RIGHT IN AMERICA, TO WHAT IS DECENT, TO WHAT IS TO BE FOUGHT AND EXPOSE COMING FROM THE LEFT WHICH LIES LIKE THEY TALK,
AND YOU ARE THE BEST HARD RIGHT WE HAVE, NOT TO BE INFLUENCE ON CHANGING EVER,
RIGHT YOU ARE AS USUAL,
BYE
I’m not sure why you would feel the need to drag either Aye, or myself, into this discussion, JC. Point of fact, wouldn’t have bothered to read this post at all since it ain’t my cup’o’biting-news-tea. Additionally, I never find it a productive use of my time to willingly scuba where sharks are engaging in a feeding frenzy… especially since there’s nothing below the surface I wanted to see anyway.
But since you’ve felt the need to, by name, personally drag me into this… well, let’s just say I don’t want to leave you disappointed on any behavior you “expect” of me for whatever reason.
To use Aqua’s most diplomatic observation…. ” [Usually I find] Dr. J tends to get a bit carried away in his articles.” News flash… it happened again. Am I shocked and stunned? Gosh darn, no.
As to whether drj is comparing Obama to Hitler, or the entire Dem Party to the Nazi Party… quite frankly I can’t tell from his post. Pictures and text are somewhat disjointed in relationship to me, and therefore the target less clear. Is this criticism confined just to Obama as Hitler, as the picture suggests? Or is this now a new accusation against the DNC and the entire Dem Party as Nazis? I guess I’ll just have to assume both for purposes of debate.
Just what is the foundation for Obama as Hitler (something the conservatives didn’t like when the Dems did it to Bush, but I guess it’s okay now, right?), and/or the Dems as the Nazi Party? Their platform brouhaha….
???
Pardon me if I think that’s relatively thin evidence to warrant such extreme casting.
Dems as Nazis. That’ll be a tough road to hoe. First of all, the ruckus was because Israel and God were “removed” from the prior platforms. I’ll repeat that. *Removed*.
This means that, prior to this year, they weren’t “Nazis”. Is that how this goes?
But the problem is that Congressional Dems have a history, right along with the GOP, of being supporters of Israel. And their differences with the Obama Admin on this support was quite noticeable by their treatment, welcome and respect for BeBe during his visits here which – when contrast with the WH’s reception – was night and day.
And that God bit… is there some sort of repeal for the 1st Amendment in there that we’re all missing? They aren’t advocating for a God free society, and never have. They just believe, as do conservatives, that God and government aren’t supposed to be entwined…. as noted by the Shariah conversations that regularly go on in this forum.
So are the Dems a modern day Nazi Party in light of their documented history of support for Israel? No. Euro-socialists and math challenged.. you bet your bippy. But Nazis? puleeeze
Obama and Hitler. Well, I’m not going to disagree that Obama’s “support” for Israel is tepid at best. But “Hitler”? sigh… Hitler attempted, and came pretty close to accomplishing, the extermination of the Jewish race. I’m supposed to believe Obama advocating genocide?
Obama, coward that he is, has as his own admin policy that Israel and Palestine suss it out, and that Israel should be giving up more than they are (and already tried with Teflon Bill in the end) to make it work.
Hey… I don’t agree with his Israeli policy, but it falls way short of genocide in my book. Maybe others have different thresholds.
As I said, this all depends upon an individual’s perspective of the DNC platform kerfuffle at all. Apparently some are willing to believe that the new Nazis… er, the DNC and the Committee, which happens to be headed up by a Jewess Israel supporter, DWS…. did this because they all of the sudden decided they hated Israel after decades of support. Does that make sense to anyone capable of cogent thought?
Frankly I just think they were being political opportunists – hoping to strengthen two of Obama’s glaring weaknesses. One of the campaign talking points is that Obama hates Israel (as aptly demonstrated here), and hates Christians, God and religion (also aptly demonstrated here at FA often).
Considering that the two items of contention are mainstays of prior DNC platforms, what better way to give Obama an easy and fake prop by taking out the mainstays, and then have a publicly distraught and chagrined Obama prove his loyalty by insisting that they be reinserted?
The DNC can’t admit this was political theater and silly tricks to help a flailing Obama. Thus the variety of implausible and changing excuses for it’s omission surface. The only excuse they cannot give is the real reason they did it. Yup… likely that simple. But it sure wasn’t because they hate Israel and God, fer heavens sake.
This campaign ploy probably worked quite well with fence sitting Dem Jews and Christians… the audience for which it was designed.
But they got a bonus, and probably not unexpected, perk. The conservative reaction also works well for Obama and Dems. It was predictable as the moon circling the Earth that the media and blog world would respond by running ga’zillions of stories and blog posts about how Obama is Hitler and Dems are Nazis, followed by lots of “hear hear” thumbs up followers.
The one coming out with the best press on this is exactly who the DNC wanted… Obama. He looks like the hero, correcting a serious wrong, while conservatives duly play their part by churning out endless hyperbole.
So count me with the ever diplomatic Wordsmith, who wisely suggests this highly charged venting is counterproductive for swaying fence sitting voters. I might only add that it gives confirmed lib/progs ample fodder to point to the conservative movement as a whole, and paint everyone as a bunch of political hypochondriacs and loons. But I will say that the RNC is probably happy conservatives are focusing on this instead of the repercussions of the nominee/candidate rule change power grab they did under everyone’s nose.
Mata– The only reason I conjured up your name was because you always seem to criticize every post Dr. John makes. I really don’t get that, since you are both co-posters here. It would seem like you would treat each other with respect, but that hasn’t seemed to be the case. That said, I like what you write; I agree with most everything thing you post. I’m not your enemy.
My only point here is that there are many parallels between the mystic-emotionalist-altruist philosophy which culminated in the rise of National Socialism, and the philosophy of the modern Democrat Party. America (not just the democrats) is walking down the same path but if reasonable people want to point that out, other people who have never read their history immediately scream “Godwin’s Law! Godwin’s Law!”. Really, that’s no different than crying “Racism!” in order to shut off debate.
I’m not an expert, but I’ve read Mein Kampf, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich by Shirer, and The Ominous Parallels by Peikoff.
Allow me to post a couple paragraphs of Leonard Peikoff’s book:
Don’t you think we should have a reasonable discussion of the conditions which brought Adolph Hitler to power just to prevent them from taking hold here in America?
JC, apparently you are imagining my presence. I rarely read, and even more rarely comment, on drj’s posts precisely for the false accusations you project, plus my lack of interest in the subject matter. It’s even more rare that I address drj directly. Has been that way for almost a year now. However if someone requests my presence by calling me out by name, and I catch it when I’m logged in or reading FA, I will comply with a response. If you don’t wish for me to disagree with drj – which is not done out of disrespect but because I simply disagree – then don’t invite or challenge me. But I assure you, I don’t come here by will because disagreeing churns up observations and accusations like yours.
Every election there seems to be some “reasonable discussion”, which never is generally in the arena of reason, about how Hitler came to power. Mostly that means that either one party or another is comparing the opposition candidate to Hitler. It was distasteful for Bush. It is equally distasteful for Obama.
Lastly, I see no way to equate what I believe is a political PR trick for platform language with genocide, or even a ban on religion and God.
@ilovebeeswarzone:
Don’t worry Bees. Tempering my response does not mean a softening of my passion or beliefs. It’s a way to help increase our numbers. The far left like greg or lib#2 are not capable of facing reality and will never listen. I aim to persuade the persuadable. Breathing fire and venom will not do that.
HR, I was wondering these past months about the new, kinder/gentler and more effective you… LOL.
@MataHarley:
Well, that’s what I’m talking about. Most people equate Hitler with genocide, because that’s the easy way out of having to follow the logical chain of events that led to the genocide.
We all know that killing six million Jews, Catholics, Gypsies and other “undesirables” was the end result of national socialism, but don’t you think it might be prudent to consider what made that genocide acceptable in the minds of the German people – the most scientifically and artistically advanced civilization on earth at the time?
Is that what you think drj did here, JC?
Let me bring your more lofty “what made genocide acceptable” argument into context for the reasons the comparisons were made to begin with. The excepts of the DNC Platform language comes from Shapiro’s Breitbart article yesterday.
Compare this to:
2008 expresses an opinion about the armistice lines, pressure on Hamas/Iran, and a two state solution. 2012 only addresses the status of Jerusalem. The two state solution is hardly new for prior admins. Obama has his own opinions about boundaries Israel should accept. Iran? Well, at least the panty waist sent US naval ships to patrol the area.
The purpose of a Party Platform is an encapsulation of the candidate’s goals and talking points. Be somewhat disingenuous to create a platform that is out of step with Obama’s policy, don’t you think? He has his own ideas about how the ever elusive peace between Palestine and Israel should come down, with which I disagree. But realistically, ME peace will happen about the same time that pigs with lipstick fly.
The point is, the Israeli plank is nothing more than an US perspective on what hot points the two countries should negotiate as part of their Peace talks. Now… just what the heck has this go to do with Hitler, some seizure of power, Jewish genocide, or even making that genocide politically acceptable in the minds of Americans? Nor does it conjure up excerpts of Mein Kampf.
There is no way that Congressional Dems, or even liberal Jewish Dems, would stand idly by and support a POTUS Obama allowing for a Palestinian genocide of Israelis. And frankly, even tho I don’t like this POTUS, I don’t think he would either.
Hard Right
I’m always learning from you,
you can bring here tolerance together with good judgement, and fair explanation to ease conflict and growing anger, all in the same comment,
that is what I’m trying to learn, because you stay cool as you beat down a troll,
bye
edit, I got to add this one;
you are to right to be far.
JOHN COOPER, HI, THAT WOULD BE QUITE A GOOD DEBATE,
I can visualize the gun out of pants aiming and CLINT EASTWOOD SAYING TO A TROLL
GO AHEAD, MAKE MY DAY,
BY THE WAY I SEND YOU A FAMILY OF HUMMINGBIRD FOR YOUR PEACHES, THEY ARE ON THEIR WAY, FOLLOWING THE MAP I GAVE THEM, AND THE MIGHTY BEES WITH THEM TO KISS YOU AGAIN,
BYE
MATA
HI,
I WAS READING ON MY NEWS PAPER, that the WH YESTERDAY DENIED AN ISRAELI NEWS PAPER
REPORT THAT ACCUSE WASHINGTON OF SECRETLY NEGOTIATING WITH TEHERAN TO KEEP THE UNITED STATES OUT OF A FUTURE ISRAEL- IRAN WAR,
THE NEWS PAPER SAID US TOLD IRAN IT WON’T BACK ISRAEL ATTACK’
DO YOU THINK THIS NEW FIND HAS SOMETING TO DO WITH WHAT WE HAVE WITNESS?
BYE
EDIT I MUST ADD THAT US APPROACH TEHRAN THROUGH TWO UNINDENTIFIED EUROPEAN COUNTRIES TO CONVEY
THE MESSAGE THAT THE UNITED STATES WOULD NOT BE DRAGGED INTO FIGHTING IF ISRAEL CARRY OUT THREATS
TO ATTACK IRAN
Bees, I’ll say it again… the US Congress has not, and will not, abandon Israel. Congress also possesses the power to declare war. Obama is but a temporary blip on the WH radar. The US is not working with current Iran leadership, but they are likely doing things behind the scenes, as we’ve done for years, with the Iranian rebel movements.
MATA
SO YOU DON’T THINK THE NEWS IS LEGIT WHAT IF THE CONGRESS DON’T KNOW WHAT OBAMA HAS DONE,
BYE
MATA THERE IS MORE ON THE CANADIAN PAPER but I just put in the most important WHICH I thought.
bye
Bees, Canada is closing their embassy in Tehran. No surprise since the Nov 2011 attack on the embassy, them accusing the Ambassador of being a CIA spy back in 2010, and the death of the Canadian-Iranian journalist back in 2003, while in Iran’s custody. There may also be something else, bubbling under the scenes.
You said:
What you are speaking of was reported in The Blaze four days ago. It’s also one of the reasons that there has been some articles about how PO’ed Israel is at Obama.
There is no doubt that Obama doesn’t want military action – most especially before an election. It’s not like most of the nation views him as an adept war time POTUS. (Then again, I doubt they see Romney that way either…) And when I say military action, I’m not speaking of just an Israeli airstrike on Iran’s nuke sites, as they did in the past, but full scale war escalating between the two.
Since that is what Iran promises, should Israel again attempt to repeat their performance, Obama has been actively engaged in trying to hold Israel’s military at bay. Sort of the good cop/bad cop act, IMHO. i.e the US telling Iran that we’re trying to hold Israel back, but they’d better take their concerns seriously and negotiate. In addition, there’s a new radar system for anti-missile coverage in Qatar going in – and to be tied with Israel’s and Turkey’s systems – but not completed. Certainly trying to delay any action until that’s completed would be a smart strategic move.
But then, there’s something else even larger that may underfoot as well. At the end of July, the Iranian press outlet, PressTV, ran a story on former CIA analyst, Ray McGovern – who was accusing the US and Israel of cooperating, faking intelligence in order to ramp up a war against Iran together. He seems to think that military action in Iran seems likely before the election. A month earlier, Iran’s same news outlet hyped much the same, this time with Dr. Ismail Salami leading the charge. Salami also accused various groups, including the Tea Party, of fomenting Iranophobia to push the issue of war.
Now you have another strong US ally, Canada, backing out of Iran, which makes you wonder if war is imminent and they’re getting out of ground zero.
I have no clue if this former CIA analyst, McGovern is correct. Certainly Iran – who apparently thinks the US/Israel are drumming up a war together – might be lulled into false security, thinking the US would abandon Israel in such a battle. And this may be just exactly what the US wants them to think since, at some point, Israel and the western powers may have no choice to but act against Iran in some fashion. Even the DNC platform has a military option on the table for Iran.
I’m sure not in a need-to-know position. I can’t tell what is strategic posturing for a specific goal. But I do not believe – not even for one second – that any US Congress is going to stand by, and not support Israel in the event of military escalation between Israel and Iran. Iran is a shared threat. Israel is a valuable ally for intel and technology. It would be both political and national security suicide for Congress and the US to turn their backs. Why even Wasserman-Schultz, herself, would be putting her claws into Obama.
It is Congress who is vested with the Constitutional power to declare war. Then even a reluctant POTUS/CiC must comply, if he wants to keep his job.
I watched a documentary on Bush 41 the other day. He said something that I often think people don’t realize…. paraphrased… “The power of a President is overrated”. Obama can not make promises not to engage on Congress’s behalf. If the two chambers declared war, even against the POTUS’ desire, this is a perfect example of their authority over the Administrative Branch.
@MataHarley:
Kinder? Gentler? You wound me, Mata. 😛
MATA the report come from TOLEDO OHIO,SAYING THE WH DENIAL, THE ISRAELI NEWS PAPER,
EDIT; FUNNY IT START IN OHIO THENFROM ISRAELI AND LAND IN CANADA
MATA
I must add to it again ; the US TOLD IRAN IT SHOULD IN RETURN REFRAIN FROM RETALIATING
AGAINST US INTERESTS INCLUDING IT’S MILITARY IN THE GULF,
NETANYAHU URGE WORLD POWERS TO SET A CLEAR RED LINE, FOR TEHRAN’SATOMIC PROGRAM
THAT WOULD CONVINCE IRAN THEY ARE DETERMINE TO PREVENT THEM FROM OBTAINING NUCLEAR
ARMS,
FOX IS REPLAYING THE 9/11 ATTACK
@Hard Right, perhaps I should have added no less lethal… :0)
Mata, nice coverage of the US/Iran/Canada issue.
I noted the other day that Hezb’allah’s leader (and Iran’s close ally) has threatened the US that IF Israel goes after Iran Hezb’allah will go after US interests and targets that they can reach.
A stupid move on Nasrallah’s part, but, par for the course with that guy.
@MataHarley:
Enjoyed reading your take on the Israel/Iran problem, but I would like your take on this senario: if Israel does a pre-emtive strike against Iran, knowing that the first chance Iran gets it will bomb the sh!t out of Israel, there will be a declaration of war between the two nations. Then what for the U.S.? Israel is an ally of the U.S., but would we actually go to war on her behalf? And would the vote to go to Israel’s aid have to be done by both Houses? Seems to me it would, and it would never pass through the current Senate, under Harry Reid’s control.
I personally think Netanyahu is gearing up for a strike against Iran. “Never again” resonates strongly in Israel, even if American Jews have forgotten their own history. Apparently Netanyahu and the American ambassador to Israel had a recent shouting match about the lack of support coming from the White House. Relationships between our nation, and theirs, is not what it should be.
Sorry about the double post. Don’t know how that happened.
@MataHarley:
That soothes my psyche. 😉
@Hard Right… cool. It’s what I live for! :0)
@retire05, a serious “cyber stutter” there, eh? LOL That can happen if you accidentally hit “post comment” twice. Did you see a screen come up, asking for you to input letters in a field to confirm the post? That’s usually one indication it happened.
INRE what happens… well, it’s sure not a procedure used often, and I’d guess that both Boehner and Reid would actually have to go to the manual. Congress has enacted 11 different declarations of war, relating to five different conflicts. Four of them were after the battles began. The CRS has a great overview from last year I had read with details.
Declarations of war in those instances were done by majority votes in both chambers. I doubt that it would be difficult to get 51 votes in the Senate to back up Israel, once Iran let loose with military power. As I said, the majority of members of both parties in Congress have been staunch Israeli supporters, including BeBe getting standing ovations from addressing joint sessions, and a much warmer reception that he received at the WH earlier this year.
And remember, even the DNC has a military option for Iran in their platform.
There are few places where the Parties agree, but Israel is one of them, as well as the threat of Iran.
Most of the requests for a formal declaration came from the CiC, but not all. But with a formal declaration also comes some automatic statutory authorities bestowed on the POTUS with that action… far too many to list or analyze here. But you’ll find it fascinating reading. If people worry about the powers Obama can assume just by declaring a national emergency, they won’t like reading about the expanded powers during a war declaration.
But I don’t think it would come down to that, retire. With news that Israel had taken out some of Iran’s nuke facilities, and was being carpet bombed by Iran in response, Obama can bank on being run out of town in Nov if he headed to the Rose Garden – only to announce that, despite having a few fleets of US Naval vessels in the area, we weren’t going to do a dang thing.
The Senate? Currently there’s 51 Dems, 47 GOP and 2 Indys. There’s 12 Senators that are Jewish Ten of them are Democrats, leaving Bernie Sanders and Lieberman – the Indy’s – as the other two. How many of them do you think are needed for the majority, and how many do you think would turn their backs on Israel? I’d guess it would be a slam dunk, myself.
@retire05:
Which is better for Israel from their leaderships point of view?
(1) Attack Iran before the elections and take the chance Iran will attack US bases. Which, if it happens, gives a very tepid (even disrespectful,) towards Israel Obama a chance to prove himself Commander in Chief and get a possible election boost.
(2) Keep the Iran-Israel saber rattling going let Iran continue their Jew-hating destroy Israel rhetoric, and let Obama just say “now play nice you two” while Romney talks tough about Iran. Which makes a more pro-Israel Romney more palatable to US Jewish voters.
IMO #2 would be Israel’s better bet.
Ever read the early poetic works by Marx?? No you have not. But let me leave you with Marx’s lengthy, unfinished poetic drama of this youthful period, Oulanem, A Tragedy. In the course of this drama his hero, Oulanem, delivers a remarkable soliloquy, pouring out sustained invective, a hatred of the world and of mankind, a hatred of creation and a threat and vision of total world destruction.
… I shall howl gigantic curses on mankind:
Ha! Eternity! She is an eternal grief …
Ourselves being clockwork, blindly mechanical,
Made to be the foul-calendars of Time and Space,
Having no purpose save to happen, to be ruined,
So that there shall be something to ruin …
If there is a something which devours,
I’ll leap within it, though I bring the world to ruins-
The world which bulks between me and the Abyss
I will smash to pieces with my enduring curses.
I’ll throw my arms around its harsh reality:
Embracing me, the world will dumbly pass away,
And then sink down to utter nothingness,
Perished, with no existence – that would be really living!
… the leaden world holds us fast,
And we are chained, shattered, empty, frightened,
Eternally chained to this marble block of Being …
and we –
We are the apes of a cold God.
Does this have a similar ring tone…enjoy
MOS8541
YES IT DOESN’T HAVE AN UPLIFTING EFFECT ON WHO READ IT,
EXCEPT THE ONES WHO’S BRAIN IS ALTERED WITH THE SMOKE OF THOSE MANY DRUGS IN THE MARKET FOR ALL TO BUY ON THE STREETS SO TO GET INTO A TRANCE OF NO RETURN AS A SOUND HUMAN
WITH THE POSSESSION OF ALL HIS BRAIN CAPACITY WHICH WILL PLAY AN IMPORTANT FACTOR IF ONE DAY THEY GET PUSH INTO A TOTAL POWER POSITION TO LEAD BY DESTROYING THE REAL WORLD AND INFLUENCE THEIR MINDSET ON THE SHATTERED WORLD THEIR SHATTERED BRAIN PROJECTING
THEIR THOUGHTS ON THEIR REAL FALSE BELIEFS, LIKE WE ARE SEEING NOW THE RESIDUES
BYE
@MataHarley:
Thanks for your response.
@Ditto:
I would think option #2, but I am constantly amazed at the loyalties of the American Jew who consistantly seems to vote against their own interests. Remember, many of the Frankfort Marxists were Jewish, and many Russian Jews who migrated to the U.S. were Communists. Old habits seems hard broken. There is little in common between the American Jew and the Israel Jew when it comes to defending Israel.
I think Netanyahu is a brilliant man, and will guide his nation wisely. But he also understands that Israel is a small nation surrounded by those who would destroy it. I also think that the policy of “Never Again” resonates with the Israelis who would never be conquered unless every last man, woman and child had fought to the death.
Obama backed the rebels in Egypt, only to have Egypt taken over by the Muslim Brotherhood. Now, steathly, the Obama administration is backing the rebels in Syria, while the Guardian of the UK reports that the Syrian rebels are being taken over by Al Qaida members. Just as Obama was on the wrong side with Honduras, he seems to be on the wrong side of every problem in the Middle East. Remember what Obama wrote: “I will stand with them (Arab and Pakistani Americans) should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.” Obama was NOT specific that he mean a shift in the U.S., so due to his actions toward the Middle East and Israel, it seems safe to assume he meant that should Arab and Pakistani Americans object to the actions of Israel in its own defense, he will side with the Muslim contingency.
This is why Dinish D’Souza’s movie, 2016 is so important. Obama is an anti-colonialist, and just as he views the UK as an oppressor in Kenya, he views Israel as the oppressor in the Middle East, much as I think he views the U.S. an an oppressor globally instead of seeing the U.S. as a nation that has spilled its own blood for the freedom of others.
Mata says “disagreeing turns up observations and accusations”— It should be clear to all that you are the most respected person on this site. You’re not afraid to call em as you see em and your research and attention to detail are 2nd to none. ALL can learn from you
Strong Honorable Mention to Wordsmith–when he talks people should listen.
Semper Fi–
retire05
yes very well put in words that reach everyone who read your comment,
thank you, for a reminder that all this blood spilled
for the freedom of all AMERICANS, MUST NEVER BE TAKEN FOR GRANTED, IT MUST BE EARNED AT THE VOTING BOOTH
Ditto
YES, I think that ISRAEL BY FORCE OF THEIR LOCATION SURROUNDED BY HATER GREED ENVIOUS LAZY THE KIND THAT EXCUSE THEIR FAILURE BY PUTTING THE BLAME ON OTHERS, WHO CONQUER A BIT OF LAND TO LIVE PEACEFULLY, MUST BE AT ALL TIME ALERT ON THEIR NEIGHBOR ALL OF THEM, EVEN THE ONE CLAIMING THEIR FRIENDSHIP
THEREFOR THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL USED THEIR BRAINS COLLECTIVELY TO RESEARCH IN
ALL FRONTS, AND YES ON THE FRONT WHERE THEY MUST KNOW HOW TO PROTECT THEIR OWN,
THIS COME FROM THE FAR BACK ANCESTRAL LEARNING, AND IN ALL THESE CENTURIES,
THEIR ENEMIES HAVE POPULATE THOSE BOUNDARIES AND EXPAND IN POPULATION BUT WITH THE SAME AMOUNT OF LAND, NOW THEY ARE CLAIMING THE LAND OF ISRAEL TO CONTINUE THEIR BREEDING HUMANS, IN THE ONLY MINDSET OF CONQUERING THE WORLD, AND DESTROY THE OTHER, BUT BY AIMING SO HIGH, THEY HAVE TO EXTERMINATE THEIR STRONGEST OPPONENTS WHO KNOW THEM ALSO FROM CENTURIES OF LEARNING,
SO ISRAEL HAVE SKILL AND PROVISIONS TO EXTERMINATE ALL WHICH SURROUND
THEIR LAND, THEY HAVE THE INTELLIGENCE EXPERTISE TO KNOW THEM AND SEE THEIR NEXT MOVE BEFORE IT HAPPEN, BUT THE PROBLEM IS THE WORLD WHO ARE NOT ON THE SAME LINE OF KNOW THE ENEMIES AND THEY LISTEN TO THE WARNING FROM ISRAEL WITH DOUBTS EASY FOR US TO NOTICE BY THE ACTION OF THE WORLD ACTION,
THEY FORGET THAT THE ‘MULTI’ CHIEF OF THE MUSLIM COUNTRIES INCITED HITLER TO EXTERMINATE THE JEWS, HOW EASY THE WORLD FORGOT,IS IN IT?
SO THAT LEAVE ISRAEL WITH THE CONVICTION THAT THEY GET ONLY WORDS OF ENCOURAGEMENT BUT NO SUBSTANCE TO SUPPORT THEM IN THEIR DEFENSE ACTIVITY
IF OR WHEN THEY WILL SEE THE NEED TO ACT DESISIVLY, AT DEFENDING THEIR SMALL LAND
WHERE THEIR PEOPLE ALWAYS HAVE THE DANGER PENDING OVER THEIR HEAD,
LIKE THE SWORD OF DAMOCLES,
SO THEY ISRAEL HAVE DEVELOP THEIR ULTIMATE UNDERGROUND DEFENSE POWER,
BE IT ALL IT NEED, INTEL OR WEAPONS OR ELSE,
AND THEY HAVE THE WISDOM TO SEE COMING THE DAY OF CALL IT ARMAGEDDON,
BECAUSE WE SEE IT OURSELVES COMING WITH THE CIRCLE OF ISLAM ADVANCING MENACING FOR THE WHOLE WORLD, WHO IS TOO BUSY TO PAY ATTENTION WHILE THEIR OWN CITIZENS ARE BEING INFECTED BY THE DISEASE CONTACTING THEM IN SCHOOLS ALL OVER IN PRISONS WHICH THEY WILL OPEN TO FREE THEIR STUDENT ONE DAY AS THEY FOREVER SEEK TO TAKE POWER ON THE
HIGHEST SEAT OF THE WHITE HOUSE, SURROUNDED BY THEIR FAITHFUL ROBOTS, THEY HAVE
TRAINED WITH REPEATED PROPAGANDA
TO OBEY ANY OF THEIR COMMAND.
I can speak from personal experience about this.
My family were forced by circumstance to leave old Russia just at the communist revolution, then Germany with the rise of anti-Semitism there.
The USA was NOT their first choice at all, they preferred Europe, but it was untenable.
When they got here there were already a huge number of very leftist-leaning Jews filling the synagogs here in the USA.
They looked and looked for a temple where they felt welcome.
But, despite the fact that they lost everything they ever owned, these leftist Jews looked down on them as ”the enemy.”
When Israel was created they very much wanted to go there, but with a young and large family and now a farm and blacksmithing business they also felt comfortable in their community (not Jewish at all).
So we stayed and I grew up here.
That weird dichotomy between leftist, Israel-hating Jews goes back to before there WAS an Israel!
The other part of the dichotomy includes Israel-loving Jews, like my family, that find themselves almost forced into very orthodox Judism, if they go to worship at all.
@retire05:
Sadly there doesn’t seem to be a side to support in Syria. Assad is a murdering maniac who is fighting Al Qaida for who will control (not lead) the people of Syria. My heart goes out to all the innocents who are being massacred in this uncivil war.
@Nan G:
Nan, the odd thing is that Hasidic Jews are extremely conservative, and generally vote Republican.
Have you read David Horowitz’s Radical Son? His parent, immigrants, were total Communists. David, himself, was far left as they come until he experience what real violence was and how it was foisted by the left. I think you would find a lot to relate to in his book.
Hitler wore pants.
Obie wears pants.
Oh my…. Obie is just like Hitler.
@Ditto: yes, I think you’re right, there will be no winners in Syria, only losers. The whole fight is only for control of the masses and weapons. Israel may be the winner in this because it will be necessary to keep them strong to combat Syria, but this will only happen if HopeyChangey isn’t in office.
@Aye:
That has to be the most ignorant post I’ve ever read here with no exceptions.
@John Cooper:
If that’s the case then you’ve obviously not read the piece of Dr. J’s bescumberance that the comment is attached to.
Of course, as a person who has read lots and lots of history, I know for sure that it’s an apt comparison.
Aye– So you want to trivialize everything National Socialist Germany stood for by comparing that horrible regime to a mere clothing choice? …the Holocaust, WW II, everything? I thought the authors on this site were better than that, but maybe I should reevaluate my participation here (which would no doubt make you and Mata happy).
*Again* you call me out? I believe I have already explained that I rarely participate in these types of threads unless I am requested, invited, or challenged to do so. Since you are in need of some fact checking, out of drj’s last 23 posts, I have commented (and not necessarily to him) on a total of four. Two of them were in agreement. Sorta blows your conceptions about me always criticizing everything he writes, doesn’t it? As I said, I go the extra mile to avoid entering waters inhabited by sharks in feeding frenzy mode.
You say you are not “my enemy”, even tho I never suggested you were. Yet once again you feel the need to attach some preconceived notions, and toss out an insult, evoking my name without reason to do so. Have I ever once stated, or even given the impression that I’d be happy to see dissenting voices gone? That you suggest I feel that way is truly insulting.
You may not be my enemy, but I’m sure not feeling any respect for allowing differing perspectives without personal sniping either. And I find it most revealing that you feel the need to evoke my name, unwarranted, when you are expressing yourself.
Last I looked, it was drj’s 1st Amendment right to speak his mind, and still mine to disagree… when I felt the subject was important enough to bother to do so, that is. A prime example of that was when he alluded the mere purchase of nylon vests or body armor should evoke federal investigations of gun owners on the Holmes thread. The only other of the two where I disagreed was when drj went after Harry’s dead father – a man who wasn’t a politician or in public service.
It’s also your right to disagree, JC. However why you need to personally demean those that are not in lockstep with yours is somewhat baffling.
The majority of the time, I let you all do what you want when you’re in your ODS frenzy feeding mode. I’m just not that interested is such low brow news, nor do I know how to pen articles for that mentality. So stop requesting my presence, quit referring to me with false accusations when I’m not around, and you’ll find little need to be irritated because I disagree. Kapisch?
Again I need to point out context as to just what the foundation was for this “abuse”, and original Hitler’esque comparison.
Compare that heinous draft language of the 2012 plank to the amended plank. The Gloria Center, provides the draft vs final text.
What was missing from back in the good ol’ days when they weren’t considered Nazis?
1: Status of Jerusalem
2: Direct mentions of Hezbollah, Lebanon, the Gaza Strip and Hamas
This rises to the level of abuse, or warrants comparisons to a true mad man in history? Apparently, to some. I set my bar a tad higher than that.
What becomes even more embarrassing is that the Gloria Center – a right leaning organization who apparently is just as upset with the platform PR game, but not enough to draw parallels with Hitler/Nazi – is absolutely floored that the platform had the audacity to go from looking “supportive” to being “neutral” on these two issues.
Pretty flimsly stuff to get your knickers in a wad, don’t you think?
Actually, neutral is a better reflection of their candidate, who prefers to lead from behind as his policies have shown. That is what a Party Platform is all about, ya know…. the candidate’s talking points.
However a “neutral” policy cannot be translated as abuse, or support for the Palestinians, Iran, Hezbollah or Hamas. You can argue neutral and leading from behind is unwise leadership for the most powerful nation on Earth, and I wouldn’t disagree. But making that point by comparing both Obama and the Dems as a Party to Hitler and the Nazis is nothing but counterproductive hyperbole. Hang… I hate the guy’s policies and leadership, and this crap even turns me off to the alternative. Lately, I’ve been feeling the need to buy an island…
Ya know, I just can’t get all twisted up in the hate language that so many of you demonstrate with such ease. I’m utterly stymied you can generate this much indignation, hate and anger – just because the status of Jerusalem is left out, and two named terror groups aren’t called out by name in the DNC Platform – but you can’t muster up the brass ones to be as critical of the RNC, who did a far more heinous power grab right in front of our noses.
But apparently that’s a topic that’s best dealt with when eyes are tightly closed, and noses are held.
@John Cooper:
Actually, I’m not the one trivializing what happened in Germany beginning in the late 30’s. That would be your buddy Dr J but thanks for asking.
Exit Question: Do you wear pants too JC?
@John Cooper:JW: ” I thought the authors on this site were better than that,” being a named author on this site is no guarantee of quality. I don’t want to defend anyone for comparing anyone to Hitler. But having said that, most of those comparisons have come from the far lefties and it shows their inclination to label everyone that is not in the tank with them as racists and radicals. I’ve seen several of them within the last 7 days labeling Repubs as Hitler. Obama is not calling them out on that. The Tea party is going to go a long way toward eliminating a lot of the far lefties from their public dole payroll positions.
@Aye: I’ve re-read what DJ said and I fail to see where he is trivializing anything. He points out that the Dimocrats abused God and the Jews this week and that the Nazi’s did it back in the 30’s/40’s. That’s the truth, it’s not trivializing. Mentioning anything from History that is true, is not trivializing. Those that forget history are doomed to repeat it. Sounds much like what is happening with HopeyChangey and crowd this week.
@Redteam:
It’s a historically accurate fact that Hitler wore pants and so does Obie.
Yet, JC thinks that I’m trivializing things by pointing that out.
Yep…Obie is just like Hitler. Well, except for the ovens. And the silly salute. And the ghettos. And the cattle cars. Oh..and the funny mustache. Other than that…it’s pretty much a dead on accurate and apt comparison.
Ditto
hi, I just heard of a new book name ISRAEL THE WILL TO PREVAIL.
written by HUCKABEE guess just a minute ago his name is BANOM OR BANON, CHECK IT,
IT LOOK LIKE A GOOD BOOK TO READ
CHECK CHUCK NORIS COMING UPAT HUCKABEE NOW AFTER THE COMMERCIAL ON FOX
All last summer, every time I went to the local post office, there was a lady in a lawn chair beside a little cart with an umbrella, sitting just off federal property. She had a standing, six-foot tall billboard displaying a picture of the President of the United States with a Hitler mustache. Sometimes she shouted and waved fliers at passing cars. Other times she just sat there.
Initially this annoyed me. Once I realized that it seemed to be annoying a lot of people, I became more appreciative of her effort.
FOR ALL A MOVIE TO SEE THE LAST OUNCE OF COURAGE APPROVE BY CHUCK NORIS
HE SAID EVERY AMERICAN MUST SEE THE MOVIE,
IT’S ABOUT FREEDOM
MARSHAL TEAGUE IS ACTING IN IT, COMING FRIDAY IN MANY THEATER IF YOUR A MILITARY SPECIALY YOU WILL LIKE IT
@Aye: now you’re just being silly
John Cooper
HI,
I would hate to think that you would take seriously any comment so to make you feel not wanted here,
we are all in this together, and the pressure is high on all of us, HITLER existed and will always be remember as a despicable power hungry who listen and was impress by the MULTI CHIEF MUSLIM WHO CARRIED THE OLD HATRED FOR THE JEW and found A BROTHER in HITLER TO CARY ON THE EXTERMINATION OF THE PEOPLE WHO FOLLOW GOD IN THEIR LIVES, WHICH FOR THE MULTI WAS NOT ACCEPTEBLE
BEING A RADICAL MUSLIM OUT TO CONQUER BY DESTROYING HIS ENEMY,
HE WAS INFLUENCAL TO HITLER WHO PROCEDE TO DO IT SHAMLESLY, HISTORY IS THERE TO PROVE IT,
AND WHY MANY PEOPLE COULD NOT HAVE BELIEVE SUCH EVIL, THEY FOUND THEMSELVES
IN IT SEEING OR HELPING OR PARTICIPATING, WHO HERE SAID THAT GERMANY AT THE TIME WAS THE MOST ADVANCE COUNTRY? WHO SAID IT?
WELL IT MUST BE THEIR DOWNFALL INTO HELL AND DESTRUCTION BECAUSE HITLER THOUGHT HE WAS INVINCIBLE AND HAD ALL THE POWER OF LIFE AND DEATH, AND TOTAL POWER OVER HIS ADORING PEOPLE, HE MUST HAVE BEEN TOLD MANY COMPLIMENTS FROM HIS FRIEND THE MULTI WHO KNEW IT WAS WORKING ON HIS EGO,
THERE IS THE DANGER SOME ARE PERCEIVING WITH OBAMA HERE, IT’S NOT THE FIRST TIME WE HAVE THAT COMMENT HERE, AND JOHN YOU WENT ON TO SAY SOMETHING OF THE MOST IMPORTANCE, THAT IS; MAYBE WE SHOULD TRY TO FIND WHY HITLER DID THAT WHAT DID CRACK HIS MIND TO BECOME A MASS KILLER, AND YOU WHERE RIGHT TO SAY THAT, BECAUSE YOU SAID IT MUST NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN, AND IF WE STAY BLIND LIKE THE GERMAN TOTALY SOLD TO HITLER LIKE THE PEOPLE AT THE DNC WE NOTICE A TROUBELING FEELING OF DANGER,
AND THAT IS BECAUSE THE CLICK IN OUR SELF GAVE US A WARNING, THAT IF YOU GIVE A 4 MORE YEARS TO THIS MAN HE HAS ENOUGH TIME TO FINISH THE DESTRUCTION BY USING HIS INFLUENCE ON HIS ADORING PEOPLE TO HELP IN THE DESCENT IN HELL.
JUST SEE THE SIGNS,
@MataHarley: first, I’ll state once again, I don’t agree with anyone comparing anyone to Hitler, he was an historically evil person and should be in his own personal hell. But i’ll also state that it is always correct to compare something happening today to what has happened in the past. No one should try to steer a modern path without some historical context, it’s rather foolish to ignore past learned lessons. Maybe a better comparison should have been, before the cock crows twice you will betray me 3 times. (kinda ironic that he called that third voice vote). But from a purely objective view, I find it hard to make Hitler a whole lot worse than Judas. I’m not sure which has caused more death and grief. I’ll let someone else figure that out. I don’t even know if Hitler was a worse person than Stalin was. and don’t really care. But, then pointing out just a historical fact that persons with bad intentions tend to ignore God and pointing out that the Dimocrats deliberately excluded God, should point to it’s own conclusions. There is no evidence that Obama is an evil person, but there is plenty of evidence that he is attempting to destroy America. He has moved the milepost considerably in only 3 1/2 years.
I guess this is a confusing statement to me. You don’t agree with anyone comparing anyone to Hitler (which was undeniably done here), but it’s correct to compare leaving out a stated, and neutral, POTUS’ US policy and platform position on Jerusalem’s status as a capital, or just the mention of already designated US terror groups, as similar to Hitler and the Nazis events?
Sorry… you’re losing me in the comparable status there. Again, I guess I have a higher threshold. Apparently it will have to be an agree to disagree moment.
Which brings us back to Wordsmith’s observation. Is such an accusation beneficial in persuading those sitting on the fence between Romney and Obama? Or (my observation…) mere fodder for a shark feeding frenzy?
says you.
brian terry and hundreds of broken egg mexicans dead becuase of his ambitions beg to differ.
the evidence is he and his minions/handlers are behind fast and furious, at its root an evil enterprise that calously and coldly meant the deaths of hundreds to facilitate his aspirations of gun control in america.
if you do great evil you are evil. or else how is evil quantified if ever.
also, obama is a scoamf.
@MataHarley: , Mata: ” but it’s correct to compare leaving out a stated, and neutral, POTUS’ US policy and platform position on Jerusalem’s status as a capital, or just the mention of already designated US terror groups, as similar to Hitler and the Nazis events?” Your words, not mine. You’re still in the mode of, here’s what you said and I disagree with it, mode. Well those are YOUR words and you are free to disagree with them or not. They’re not my words. My words are: Obama wanted God and Jerusalem as the capital of Israel out of the Dimocrat platform and he got it out. There is no good reason to take the word God out of a party platform when it has been in every one ever written til this year. Once he realized he had condoned (or perceived as directing) it’s removal, he had a fit and demanded it be put back in so he wouldn’t be perceived as Anti-God (which he clearly is). He did not want his muslim roots to be pre dominant. That’s the reason for the fit. having said this, the last time, in history, that someone wanted God out of our lives, that most people are familiar with, is Hitler. I don’t think it’s a good comparison to make, but I have no quarrel with someone else thinking it is a good comparison.
I do object to your statement of Obama’s position is neutral. It is clearly anti-God and Anti-Jerusalem and is certainly far from neutral.
@Redteam:
I find it evil to force Catholics to violate their religious beliefs so that Sandara Flucke can have sex on our dime. That sort of trashes one of this country’s foundational ideals.
I also find this evil:
FLASHBACK: Obama Mocks House for Reaffirming ‘In God We Trust’; Obama Team Misquotes Bible
I think Obama is a sociopath and suffers from malignant narcissism.
And let me remind you that Hitler wasn’t always Hitler. He started smaller but he most certainly invoked God in a highly inappropriate manner and didn’t want Jews around either.
Obama is doing nothing effective to stop Iran’s development of a nuke but I don’t think Iran would simply drop a missile on Israel. I am thinking more along the lines of a dirty bomb going off on a child suicide bomber. That way it would be difficult to directly ID Iran as the culprit.
BTW, if you know a little German (or in Obama’s case, Austrian) you’d find the first picture pretty amusing too.