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There’s really no doubt any longer.

As Curt noted, this administration is lying through its teeth about Fast and Furious.

Liberals have all sorts of pathetic commentary for Fast and Furious- it runs from the frenetically dissembling Jay Carney saying it’s not worthy of Congress

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-ywu14_vsM[/youtube]

to the feckless Sheila Jackson Lee blaming George Bush while conflating Wide Receiver and Fast and Furious.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bk8Dv419H-4[/youtube]

It’s been suggested that Fast and Furious intended to create violence in Mexico as a means of introducing stricter gun laws.

TAPPER: You really think that there’s a possibility that they were sending guns across the border not because they were trying to get people in the Mexican drug cartels, not because they were trying to figure out drug — I mean, gun trafficking, but because they were trying to push gun control?

ISSA: Two things quickly. First of all, this was so flawed that you can’t believe they expected to actually get criminal prosecutions as a result of it. So the level of flaw — flaw — flaw, if that’s a word, here is huge.

But here’s the real answer as to gun control. We have e-mail from people involved in this that are talking about using what they’re finding here to support the — basically assault weapons ban or greater reporting.

So chicken or egg? We don’t know which came first; we probably never will. We do know that during this — this Fast and Furious operation, there were e-mails in which they’re saying we can use this as part of additional reporting or things like assault weapons ban. So the people involved saw the benefit of what — what they were gathering. Whether or not that was their original purpose, we probably will never know.

The left has been blathering and distracting from this premise, but there is evidence that it is true.

“Documents obtained by CBS News show that the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) discussed using their covert operation “Fast and Furious” to argue for controversial new rules about gun sales.”

And there is indirect evidence.

Right on cue, Democratic lawmakers have begun to say the DOJ’s lethal and irresponsible Fast and Furious program underscores the need for stricter gun control laws:

“This hunt for blame doesn’t really speak about the problem,” said Sen. Dianne Feinstein at a recent Senate Judiciary hearing while discussing Fast and Furious.

“And the problem is, anybody can walk in and buy anything, .50-caliber weapons, sniper weapons, buy them in large amounts, and send them down to Mexico. So, the question really becomes, what do we do about this?”

The ranking Democrat on the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, Rep. Elijah Cummings (Md.), and Rep. Carolyn Maloney (D-N.Y.) have introduced a dedicated firearms trafficking statute, but it has stalled in the House Judiciary Committee.

Congressman Darrell Issa narrowed the focus of his investigation to specific documents:

In recent days, Issa agreed to “narrow the scope” of his request for Justice Department documents to the period right after Holder sent a letter to Congress denying allegations that his department allowed the sale of assault weapons to a straw purchaser who then transported the guns to Mexico.

It turned out that there was something amiss with that letter:

Holder later had to rescind the letter when it was revealed that the gun-tracking allegations were true.

Holder has had to walk more than one statement back:

“This is the second time in nearly seven months that the Department has gotten its facts wrong about gunwalking,” Grassley said. “Attorney General Holder accused Attorney General Mukasey, without producing any evidence, of having been briefed on gunwalking in Wide Receiver. The case Attorney General Mukasey was briefed on, Hernandez, is fundamentally different from both Wide Receiver and Fast and Furious since it involved cooperation with the Mexican government. Attorney General Holder’s retraction should have included an apology to the former Attorney General.”

As Holder continued to squirm and duck having to release the documents, he phoned a friend. Almost immediately, Barack Obama dropped Executive Privilege on those documents.

Rather than try to resolve the issue, the Obama administration has been punishing the Fast and Furious whistleblowers.

Six months ago, several agents with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives stood before Congress to testify about the details of a U.S. government program that armed Mexico’s largest drug cartel with thousands of assault rifles.

The administration denied it at the time and questioned the agents’ integrity. The men were nervous and scared. They said they feared for their careers, their reputation and their families.

“Any attempt to retaliate against them for their testimony today would be unfair, unwise and unlawful,” Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, warned the Department of Justice.

He and Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., began an investigation to determine who authorized “Operation Fast and Furious” and aimed to hold accountable those responsible for a plan that helped known criminals run guns across the border in violation of U.S. and international law.

And while President Obama has said the operation was a mistake and that “people who screwed up will be held accountable,” the record so far does not bear that out. Those in charge of the botched operation have been reassigned or promoted, their pensions intact. But many of those who blew the whistle face isolation, retaliation and transfer.

And now the White House has blocked access to a key staffer

The White House said a former National Security staffer who communicated with ATF’s Special Agent in charge of “Fast and Furious” cannot be interviewed by Congressional investigators.

The ATF Special Agent, Bill Newell, testified to Congress in July 2011 that he’s a longtime friend with then-White House National Security Staffer Kevin O’Reilly. …

For nearly a year, Republican Congressional investigators have been seeking an interview with O’Reilly to ask what he knew “about the objectives and tactics used in Fast and Furious and with whom did he share his knowledge.”

Fast and Furious resulted in the deaths of more than 300 Mexicans and at least two Americans. The left wing press has been on a drunk reminding us of the 40 year anniversary of Watergate (in which no one was killed) but it has virtually no interest in Fast and Furious.

There’s something that neither Obama nor Holder nor the left wing press want the families of Brian Terry and Jaime Zapata to know.

Coverup.

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Of course they’re lying. The mainstream media continues to propagate their lies. The mainstream media continues to offer excuses and cover for the crooks in this administration. Without the msm Obama would be sooooo over. They are his constituency.

Saw on another blog…the time has come for super PACS to start spreading the news about Obama the msm will not cover. Tens of millions still receive their “news” from the msm. We must get around them.

In fact it’s past time.

And now enter Hillary….

“Last week it was reported that the State Department and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton were deeply involved in the scandal known as Operation Fast and Furious, or Project Gunwalker. Today, however, new evidence has surfaced indicating that not only was Hillary deeply involved in the scandal but was one of the masterminds behind it. According to investigative citizen journalist Mike Vanderboegh, sources close to the development of the Gunwalker scheme state that early on, Hillary and her trusted associated at State, Andrew J. Shapiro, devised at least part of the framework of what would later become Operation Fast and Furious. It was Shapiro who first described the details of the proposed scheme early in 2009 just after the Obama Administration took office. Vanderboegh relates the following:

My sources say that as Hillary’s trusted subordinate, it was Shapiro who first described to the Secretary of State the details of what has become the Gunwalker Scandal. The precise extent to which Hillary Clinton‘s knowledge of, and responsibility for, the Gunwalker Plot, lies within the memories of these two men, Shapiro and Steinberg, sources say. The sources also express dismay that the Issa committee is apparently restricting itself to the Department of Justice and not venturing further afield. The House Foreign Affairs Committee, they say, needs to summon these two men and their subordinates — especially at the Mexico Desk at State — and question them under oath as to what Hillary Clinton knew about the origins of the Gunwalker Scandal and when she knew it. There is one other thing those sources agree upon. The CIA, they say, knows “everything” about the “Mexican hat dance” that became the Gunwalker Scandal.

The ‘Steinberg’ mentioned in the quote above is Hillary Clinton’s former Deputy Secretary of State, who was appointed directly by Barack Obama and was considered from the start to be an ‘Obama man’ whose objective was to carry out the wishes of the President in the State Department. Hillary had said of Steinberg,

Clinton said Steinberg had been a “fixture” at meetings with the National Security Council (NSC) and frequently represented the US State Department at the White House.

That statement is key. Hillary herself stayed out of all meetings dealing with strategy concerning the euphemism the Administration used to designate Gunwalker, ‘strategy meetings on Mexico and the problem of drug and gun trafficking.’ Hillary’s absence would give the impression that she had no connection to the scheme while making sure that her views were represented by Steinberg and Shapiro, both of whom were fully complicit with the details that developed concerning how to pad statistics on U.S. guns in Mexico. According to sources, Hillary was obsessed with gun statistics that would prove that ’90% of the firearms used by Mexican criminals come from the United States.’ As previouly reported, that meme, repeated incessantly by Democratic Senators, Barack Obama, certan members of the ATF, Janet Napolitano, and Hillary Clinton was patently and blatantly false. The fact that they all knew it was false is borne out by the lengths to which each of the above named co-conspirators went to attempt to ‘prove’ that the 90% figure was true. Again, Vanderboegh relates the following:

My sources say that this battle of the “statistics” was taken very seriously by all players — the White House, State and Justice. Yet, WHY was this game of statistics so important to the players? If some weapons from the American civilian market were making it to Mexico into the hand of drug gang killers that was bad enough. What was the importance of insisting that it was 90 percent, 80 percent, or finally 70 percent? Would such statistics make any difference to the law enforcement tactics necessary to curtail them? No. This statistics mania is similar to the focus on “body counts” in Vietnam. Yet if Vietnam body counts were supposed to be a measure of how we were winning that war, the focus on the 90 percent meme was certainly not designed to be a measure of how we were winning the war against arming the cartels, but rather by what overwhelming standard we were LOSING. Why? Recall what the whistleblower ATF agents told us right after this scandal broke in the wake of the death of Brian Terry: “ATF source confirms ‘walking’ guns to Mexico to ‘pad’ statistics.”

Thus, from the beginning the scheme was to pad statistics on U.S. guns in Mexico in order to be in a strengthened position to call for gun bans and strict gun control at a time when it was politically unpopular. Further, the scheme would involve a made-up statistic, out of thin air–90%–which then had to be proved by using civilian gun retailers along the southern border as unsuspecting pawns to walk U.S. guns into Mexico by ATF agents, straw purchasers, and others with connections to Mexican drug cartels. And the evidence points to the fact that Hillary Clinton was one of the original Administration officials who was ‘in the loop’ on the scheme from the very beginning.”

http://congressmantomtancredo.com/breaking-new-evidence-shows-hillary-a-mastermind-behind-gunwalker/

For some time now, Rep. Issa has apparently been in possession of COPIES of relevant emails and memos, etc.
What he needs are the ORIGINALS which Holder keeps lying about and never producing.
Obama knows this.
Holder does, too.
Obama is leaving Holder holding the bag while he is literally out to lunch (or playing golf.)

This “administration” is a complete debacle. Who knew that Hittlary was involved? Isn’t it strange that when Clintons are involved, people die? Padding stats?
Hey idiots. North Dakota needs the Keystone expansion, but that’s restricted. The southern border needs a lock down and its wide open, and assault weapons were free to flow without a hitch. You’ve got the wrong border!
What a target rich regime for corruption. Some journalists could make a name for themselves by doing the investigative reporting, but I doubt it. The MSM is corrupt also.

A Policeman, wise to the ways of the world, had the perfect answer when I asked him how he knew whether to chase someone in order apprehend them. His quote:
“If he runs, you got him.”
Truer words were never spoken.
If the President hides behind Executive Privilege, it can only be for the reason that he has something to hide.
The same reasoning applies to all of the President’s academic records, his selective service, his SSN, his birth, his publications, his Illinois Senate records, his law school teaching, and so on. Only someone with something to hide will be found concealing that information.

“And the problem is, anybody can walk in and buy anything, .50-caliber weapons, sniper weapons, buy them in large amounts, and send them down to Mexico. So, the question really becomes, what do we do about this?”

Yeah they can walk right in and buy the weapon, fill out papers, have their name and SS# run by the FBI, have a wait time in certain states and then pay a fee for processing in others, and then just walk right out the door. Simple as that, unless you are a criminal and then you buy them from other criminals who have stolen them without paperwork or issues.

@mathman: Looks to me like not just “something to hide” but a whole ‘ell of a lot to hide — like the whole thing. I just hope this destroys the demo – RAT party for a while — and take out some RINO’s with them

So what if this thing could bring down Obama, Holder, Hillary, Durbin AND Dianne Feinstein?

http://www.maggiesnotebook.com/2012/06/the-bones-of-fast-and-furious-hillary-clinton-deep-in-it/

I’d call that a great day

All of those involved in F&F should be jailed for trying to subvert the US Constitution. After the election of Mitt R, the liberals will continue to subvert and squell like piglets—they must be confronted and confronted hard—they are the free generation and have never learned much more that what is available in kindergarden.

“. . .this administration is lying through its teeth about Fast and Furious.”

That is a politically motivated assertion, not an established fact. While John Boehner might be comfortable making such an accusation in public, even Darrell Issa admits that there is presently no evidence supporting the truth of it.

Posts about this story have been about as level-headed, unbiased, and free of partisan motivation as those about the Trayvon Martin shooting.

@DrJohn, #11:

What you’ve got there are the words There is little doubt, followed by Andrew C. McCarthy’s speculations.

If Scooter libby had done what Holder did, he would have been convicted of obstructing justice. Oh wait, he did and was! It is called lying Greg.

@Greg:

Obama’s actions however, are an attempt to shield holder and assist in the coverup.
So while I don’t think obama was involved, this will hurt him more than help.

there is indirect evidence

More “indirect” evidence like a spike in the repetition of a certain meme hyped by the Journolist crew that found itself the headline in various media outlets while finding itself circulated/validated through the emails of sites, email lists, forums, listserv, rss feeds, and old school democratic mailers.

That spike evidences something. And has since receded. Someone create a spider for that.

If the case was a OCDEFT case, Obama was most likely, in the very least, vaguely informed, and Holder was definitely involved. That isnt speculation, its just the norm in such cases. Its akin to saying “man walks on two feet” – extraordinary circumstances might exist, but it is still almost always the case.

So was this a OCDEFT case? The 2010Press-Conference which Holder was to announce arrests in the case indicates that yes, it was. (BTW, how was he being scheduled to do a press conference on something he knew absolutely nothing about? He clearly knew prior to the death of Terry…) The Wire-Tap requests from ATF also indicate this as well. But we kind of know it was an OCDEFT case because Congress has stated as much in their investigation – including, most infamously, in their questioning of Janet Napolitano

Beyond that though, the Wire-Taps themselves indicate Holder (or in the very least, Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer – who Grassley called on to resign months ago) was involved even in the extremely unlikely event it somehow managed to go without a OCDEFT tag.

Now unlike so many others, I dont feel Obama knew much of anything (he was probably told about such a project, but that doesnt mean details) and dont think he is protecting himself as much as he is protecting Holder here. BUT, protecting Holder does protect Obama. If Holder is to end up impeached, (or worse, in jail) how do you think that reflects on a President who has had him out front handling most of his controversies?

If Holder goes down because of Fast and Furious, then the entire DOJ becomes a complete untrustworthy mess to the point Democrats couldn’t even deny it – which means the ‘leaks’ case also gets elevated to a whole new level. Think Obama wants that?

That said, Obama is involved in the cover-up; his Executive Order (and open “administration emails” excuse) quite clearly shows that. And that harkens back to another famous case not necessarily specifically involving a President, but merely a President covering up internal misdeeds. That president saw the first case evolve into quite a few other non-related cases, and that President resigned before his impeachment…

The information the left deliberately ignores
http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/25/atf-leaders-email-could-be-fast-and-furious-smoking-gun-and-holder-admitted-obama-cant-shield-it/

Not to mention holder claimed he had stopped F&F in 2010……which is before he said he knew about it.

The truth about the Fast and Furious scandal

Today, June 27, 2012:

“Quite simply, there’s a fundamental misconception at the heart of the Fast and Furious scandal. Nobody disputes that suspected straw purchasers under surveillance by the ATF repeatedly bought guns that eventually fell into criminal hands. Issa and others charge that the ATF intentionally allowed guns to walk as an operational tactic. But five law-enforcement agents directly involved in Fast and Furious tell Fortune that the ATF had no such tactic. They insist they never purposefully allowed guns to be illegally trafficked. Just the opposite: They say they seized weapons whenever they could but were hamstrung by prosecutors and weak laws, which stymied them at every turn.”