He was injured– just as he said he was.
A medical report compiled by the family physician of accused Trayvon Martin murderer George Zimmerman and obtained exclusively by ABC News found that Zimmerman was diagnosed with a “closed fracture” of his nose, a pair of black eyes, two lacerations to the back of his head and a minor back injury the day after he fatally shot Martin during an alleged altercation.
Zimmerman faces a second degree murder charge for the Feb. 26 shooting that left the unarmed 17-year-old high school junior dead. Zimmerman has claimed self defense in what he described as a life and death struggle that Martin initiated by accosting him, punching him in the face, then repeatedly bashing his head into the pavement.
Also today, a trove of documents are being examined by lawyers for both the defense and prosecution as part of discovery in Zimmerman’s trial — including 67 CDs worth of documents, video of Martin on the night of the shooting, his autopsy report and videos of Zimmerman’s questioning by police.
Zimmerman’s three-page medical report is included in those documents that the defense could use as evidence.
And it also turns out that, contrary to the “Official Report of the Funeral Director”, Trayvon Martin had bloody knuckles– as one might suffer when punching someone else in the face.
WFTV has confirmed that autopsy results show 17-year-old Trayvon Martin had injuries to his knuckles when he died.
The information could support George Zimmerman’s claim that Martin beat him up before Zimmerman shot and killed him.
The autopsy results come as Zimmerman’s attorney, Mark O’Mara continues to go over other evidence in the case.
O’Mara wouldn’t comment on the autopsy evidence, but WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer said it’s better for the defense than it is for the prosecution.
WFTV has learned that the medical examiner found two injuries on Martin’s body: The fatal gunshot wound and broken skin on his knuckles.
When you compare Trayvon’s non-fatal injury with Zimmerman’s bloody head wounds, the autopsy evidence is better for the defense, Sheaffer said.
“It goes along with Zimmerman’s story that he acted in self-defense, because he was getting beaten up by Trayvon Martin,” Sheaffer said.
The injury to Martin’s knuckle also fits with Zimmerman’s story that before he shot and killed Martin, Martin had broken his nose and knocked him to the ground, slamming his head on the sidewalk.
It continues to fall into place for Zimmerman. The big problem for him is that this execrable, disgusting, racist administration is likely to hunt Zimmerman down for eternity until they find him guilty of something- even if it turns out to be littering.
WFTV has learned charges against George Zimmerman could be getting more serious.
State prosecutors said Zimmerman, a neighborhood watchman, profiled and stalked 17-year-old Trayvon Martin before killing him, so the FBI is now looking into charging him with a hate crime.
Zimmerman admitted to killing Martin in February during a confrontation. However, he claims the shooting was in self-defense. He’s facing a second-degree murder charge, which carries a maximum possible sentence of life in prison without the possibility of parole. But if Zimmerman is charged and found guilty of a federal hate crime involving murder, he could face the death penalty.
Eric Holder is very sensitive about anyone who offends “my people” and could give a damn about anyone else. There is NOTHING to indicate George Zimmerman profiled Trayon Martin simply because of his race. In fact, there is potent evidence to the contrary:
Though civil rights demonstrators have argued Zimmerman should not have prejudged Martin, one black neighbor of the Zimmermans said recent history should be taken into account.
“Let’s talk about the elephant in the room. I’m black, OK?” the woman said, declining to be identified because she anticipated backlash due to her race. She leaned in to look a reporter directly in the eyes. “There were black boys robbing houses in this neighborhood,” she said. “That’s why George was suspicious of Trayvon Martin.”
None of that will matter to this cretinous Attorney General or his equally miserable boss. George Zimmerman is more black than Elizabeth Warren is Cherokee. But since the left wing media has Zimmerman characterized as a cracker, that will be his fate and Shylock Holder will seek his pound of flesh.
Rarely has this country has so badly needed a change in leadership. And you are still a blithering idiot to believe anything Barack Obama says. An absolute moron.
DrJohn has been a health care professional for more than 30 years. In addition to clinical practice he has done extensive research and has published widely with over 70 original articles and abstracts in the peer-reviewed literature. DrJohn is well known in his field and has lectured on every continent except for Antarctica. He has been married to the same wonderful lady for over 30 years and has three kids- two sons, both of whom are attorneys and one daughter on her way into the field of education.
DrJohn was brought up with the concept that one can do well if one is prepared to work hard but nothing in life is guaranteed.
Except for liberals being foolish.
MSNBC is reporting Trayvon Martin died from a single gunshot wound to the chest fired from “intermediate range,” according to an autopsy report.
So, what does that mean?
An autopsy report is based (usually) on what is found on the body as opposed to forensics which deal with clothing and other evidence.
It means the muzzle is held away from the skin but close enough that it still produces powder tattooing. This type of wound is also characterized by numerous reddish-brown to orange-red lesions around the entrance to the wound.
But is that based on his skin or his clothing?
Wounds Through Clothing:
The passage of a bullet through clothing can alter the appearance of the wound and cause the examiner to reach different conclusions regarding factors such as the range of the gunshot. When there is clothing between the firearm and the skin, you will not find soot and powder on the skin, and searing is lessened or can be prevented. Therefore, the usual methods of determining the distance of the shooter from the victim cannot be used. Whether the powder passes through the clothing depends on the material, the number of layers of clothing, and the form of the powder. Ball powder can penetrate up to three layers of clothing, while flake powder may fail to penetrate a single layer.
In inches and feet?
I wonder.
AYE
IT TELL ME THAT TRAYVON WAS PUNCHING ZIMMERMAN ON THE NOSE WITH THE HAND YOU DESCRIBE AS THE RING FINGER, WHICH YOU MENTIONED DOESN’T HAVE TOO MUCH BRUISE,
WHICH MIGHT BE YES HAVING A RING ON THAT FINGER, WHICH MAKE THE PUNCH EVEN MORE FORCEFULL BUT LEAVE THE KNUCKLE BARELY TOUCH,
SO ANYONE KNOW OF THAT RING? BEING SILENT
BYE
Benjamin Crump (bottom feeding tort lawyer) recently appeared on the Bill O’Reilly Factor. O’Reilly was calling for some common sense and restraint to be used on both sides when reporting on the Martin/Zimmerman case. Crump then immediately went into his media created spin story of how Trayvon was defending himself against a man with a 9 MM gun.
Which poses the question: is Crump now claiming that Zimmerman had brandished his weapon, or that Trayvon was aware of an unholstered weapon, while he was breaking Zimmerman’s nose, blacking Zimmerman’s eyes and bashing Zimmerman’s head against a concrete sidewalk? This claim requires the willing suspension of disbelief to think that Martin was defending himself against a man with an exposed weapon and had the time to do as much bodily harm to Zimmerman as he did.
Common sense tells you that if Zimmerman had his gun in his hand, that Martin would have been trying to relieve Zimmerman of that weapon, not continuing to beat Zimmerman allowing Zimmerman the opportunity to shoot him while Martin is throwing punches.
There are those here who have already decided that Zimmerman is guilty of murder. Who have declared that Zimmerman was wrong for following Martin in the first place (not a crime), that Zimmerman initiated the physical confrontation (no proof of that claim) and that Florida’s SYG laws did not allow Zimmerman to use his weapon in the first place (wrong by every Florida SYG statute). I would like to see them argue that with Alan Durshowitz.
But then, we should doubt everything that comes from Crump’s mouth as he is the one who created the “Skittles and Tea” story, was the one who, three weeks after the incident, spoke for DeeDee, the alleged girlfriend, who claimed that DeeDee was so overwrought that she could not even attend the funeral (although she was quite active on her Twitter account the whole time), who contacted Al Sharpton to take the shooting national and who hired Raul Julison of Julison Public Relations to handle all media stores. Yeah, Crump is a really reliable source, but only to those who cannot think for themselves and who buy into the media spin created by race baiters, bottom feeding tort lawyers and PR firms connected to the Pigford scandal.
I don’t think I would be interested to go to the hospital to remain there ,even if my bruises required it, because I know of the racist blacks who did in fact want my head, would have found me so easy,
so the fact that he did not admit himself in the hospital have nothing to do with the extent of the bruises.
@another vet: Indeed.
@Nan G:
Nan:
A Texas Physician and Ballistic expert said that the round powder spray around the entrance wound on Martin’s chest was a certian size according to the Medical Examiner’s report, which indicates the gun was fired 2 to 4 inches away from Martin’s chest.
c link
yes that’s what I thought, it was fired while ZIMMERMAN was still body lock to TRAYVON,
FOR A WHILE I EVEN CAME CLOSE TO THINK THAT TRAYVON HAS TRIGGERED TO SHOT HIMSELF WHILE STRUGLING FOR THE GUN AS HE WAS LOCKING ZIMMERMAN UNDER HIS BODY.
Not that it matters but I dont believe that Zimmerman’s intent was to shoot Trayvon. I think thats quite obvious. That is why I said led to an “unfortunate event”. I do however believe after listening to all the tapes that he displays signs of paranoia and I thought this before I knew about the adderrall. He was prescribed it prior to the shooting. Even if he did not abuse it- no one knows how they will react to a medication until it is taken and the doctor can see so they can adjust the dosage. I am not trying to prove that this may have been the root cause for the actions that ensued that evening but I do believe it is worth looking into. I dont give a dam about percentages- many go unreported- people who abuse it dont even report side effects because then they will be taken off of it. I think everyone should try adderall and then take a poll and post a percentage. Guaranteed you will have a whole population of people with psychosis and addicted because the good outweigh the bad. (weight loss, high energy, focus etc) I am speaking as a human being to other human beings here and saying it should not be overlooked. Maybe I can recognize the behavior because I have experienced it. When you see someone is angry or someone is happy- you know these things because you have experienced them and recognize them. That is why I say if you havent taken it google peoples experiences with paranoia and psychosis. You cannot recognize the pattern therefore you must rely on false statistics. Im not saying Zimmerman is guilty because I do not believe its his fault a medication prescribed to him may have caused side effects that he probably didnt even think was a side effect. When you experience any kind of paranoia you believe what you are thinking and seeing is really happening. Adderall is for focus- so focus + paranoia is not a good mix. He was obviously very focused on Trayvon that night and had it in his head already that he was up to something which made him do things that contributed to the final showdown. First following him, staring at him, calling the cops, saying things like “they always get away” and “hes looking at me, reaching in his pants or whatever he said” AT that moment though I am convinced he created something more than it was because he was already convinced in his mind Trayvon was up to something. He created a paranoid delusion and responded to something HE created in his mind. In the end Trayvon was a few doors away from his fathers girlfriends apartment right? so that should tell you he was going to where he was staying. I do believe that the fight took place and in the end it was self defense. I also believe Zimmerman made a bad decision to not just stay put when the cops were notified becuase hindsight will show him that he created everything that happened that night by his actions and reactions. It could have been avoided like almost everything else bad that happens. Trayvon was no threat to Zimmerman or his life at the moment of the 911 call. No one here really knows if he stopped following him after he insinuates he does. Im not saying anything I believe is the truth- I could never say I know for sure about anything unless I have experienced it myself and still every situation is unique so the best I could do is understand. This is not a black and white case.(no pun intended). The medication he was prescribed should be looked into to see if he took it and how much of it he took. If it was prescribed prior than the shooting and he was taking it- he was in the beginning guinea pig stage of medication prescription. He made what 500 other calls to 911 in the past- did he ever follow or fight with the people he called on? Probably not because he was in his right mind. Medication like Adderall takes you out of your right mind and supposedly puts you in a better focused mind. Maybe if he had ADHD he wouldve let himself get distracted and let authorities handle it instead of letting the thought of following him even enter his mind. I know you guys/gals here like to deal with hard facts and what you read on police reports and statistics, but I am telling you from experience- theres alot of corruption out there that doesnt make it to the public, Doctors are also corrupt as well as Police (Florida resident here) Adderall-AMPHETAMINES- is prescribed when you simply tell a Doctor I have fatigue, im forgetful, etc. No real tests are run. Was I in their study? Did I suffer paranoia as a side effect? Maybe. Someone mentioned ambien. Have I taken ambien and know first hand it can send you into a lucid scary delusion? Maybe. Was I in any studies? No. Dont believe statistics… they are not accurate. Unless everyone is studied and in their numbers then it is not something you can rely on. Was Zimmerman in that study of 10%? Zimmerman could have fell IN that 10% for all we know if he did take it! Thats why it need not be overlooked in this case. Too many people are on Adderall these days for the wrong reasons.(women to lose weight, have more energy – WE ALL NEED more energy! We all have ADHD) If we want to go by “facts” most A.D.D. is diagnosed in youth for hyperactivity. Adults are prescribed it for – fatigue and then get hooked on amphetamines and cant sleep so now need a sleeping aid. Adderall is a strong medication. The fact he was prescribed a sleeping aid should tell you that he obviously took it and couldnt sleep. So that alone says he wasnt just prescribed it, he has taken the medication and experienced a side effect and was prescribed something else. We will never know anyway because ADHD is too big of a busine$$ to ever come out as a contributing factor that could have led someone to follow, fight and to kill someone else in self defense.
@MataHarley:
First a comment on the prosecutors word “confrontation”. Their investigator testified under oath that he used the term as in the two “came together”, not that Zimmerman forced the issue. He’s already testified to this, so I’m not sure how that fits into their M2 argument if they are admitting all they meant by using the word was that the two met face to face, without any idea how.
I think you’ve way overcomplicated the issue with your post. My comment on whether Zimmerman committed any crime prior to the “confrontation” was specifically in regards to the SYG law, but also applies to the M2 charge. As long as he was not doing anything illegal up to the point that the confrontation turned violent, then he can invoke this law and is immune from prosecution, as long as Martin struck first and the amount of force he used in defense was appropriate. In this case, since he used deadly force, the prosecution has to show beyond a reasonable doubt that either Zimmerman started the violence or that he did not fear “great bodily harm”. Quite the hurdle for them since they’ve admitted to having no evidence that Zimmerman was doing anything other than returning to his vehicle when the “confrontation” occurred, don’t know who started the fight and that Zimmermans actual injuries (not just fear of injuries) likely meet the criteria for “great bodily harm”.
The fact that you cite this other SYG case as a comparable is quite frankly disappointing for someone of your intelligence. The woman left a confrontation to go to the garage to get a gun and return, which SYG clearly does not allow. You don’t have to retreat, but you can’t leave the conflict, go get a weapon and return. I think her sentencing was a bit much, though she did shoot in the direction of children.
I’d like to see a citation based on the known evidence that indicates Zimmerman broke any law prior to the start of violence. It could be that he did, but I am not aware of any available evidence that indicates this.
Also, your definition of “depraved mind” does not fit mind. I know of no legal instruction that defines a depraved mind as “not giving clear thought to the events that could happen”. A depraved mind is more along the lines of having evil intent without regard for human life. The states investigator has testified that they have no evidence that Zimmerman was doing anything other than returning towards his vehicle when the “confrontation” occurred. Unless there are witnesses that will testify that they heard Zimmemran screaming threats or racial slurs, the prosecution doesn’t have a prayer of getting anyone to accept the depraved mind aspect.
@AlisVolatPropriis:
Your whole wasted effort is bull. You not only seem to know little about the side effects of very common medications, you quote a lot of “stats” for which you offer no solid medical studies as proof.
Doctors are as corrupt as the police? With that one sentence you destroyed any credibility you might have been seeking.
Go back to your OWS tramp camp.
@drjohn:
EXACTLY! Mata is in full “Blame the victim” mode-typical liberal response. Martin was in all probability a drug-dealer, yet Mata nary has a word to say about that.
Notice she still can’t bring herself to admit she was wrong on this. Sad. So sad.
wignon
there was physical attack and also verbal warning of he said; I will kill you, as he approch to punch him
and throw him flat down like a surprise attack, toward the other who never saw it coming,
and at one point, ZIMMERMAN yell for help, WHICH DID NOT CAME INSTEAD OF A GUY TELLING HIM TO SHUT UP, HE WAS GOING TO CALL 911, GEEZ, ALL THIS GUY HAD TO DO IS THROW A HEAVY OBJECT ON THE GUY ON TOP WHICH WAS TRAYVON, and he would have come out alive
but anyway the bashing went on, even after ZIMMERMAN YELLED FOR HELP, AND WHILE THE GUY CALLED, WHICH AT A PRECISE TIME IN THAT THE GUN WAS SHOT,
THE FACT THAT ZIMMERMAN CALLED FOR HELP, TELL US, HE WAS AT AN EXTREME DANGER,
BYE
EDIT, ANYONE COULD HAVE THROW A BUCKET OF WATER
ON TRAYVON, IT WOULD HAVE MAKE HIM MOVE AND STAY ALIVE
AlixVolatPropiis
I think you are labeling ZIMMERMAN OF PARANOID, therefor
you deduct what happen as his doing, not considering the one who went on a rage is TRAYVON,
SO THAT IS NOT BALANCE OF YOU BECAUSE THERE WHERE TWO PLAYERS,
AND IF YOU CAN SEE THAT ONE OF THEM WAS TO DIE AT A PRECISE SECOND OF WHAT WENT ON,
AND ACCELARATE TO THIS ONLY END, AND TRAYVON WAS THE ONE TO DECIDE THAT,
NOT ZIMMERMAN, IT WAS TRAYVON WHO WAS ON TOP, HE WAS THE COVER OF THE BOX,
HE WAS THE ONE TO REMOVE HIMSELF TO STOP THE SCENARIO TO REACH THE TRAGIC END,
HE TRAYVON WAS AN ATHLETE TRAINING IN SPORT, HE WAS SURE OF HIS STRENGHT TO
WIN THIS QUAREL HE STARTED, AS SOON AS HE HAD LOCKED THE OPPONENT IN A VULNERABLE POSITION TO NOT BE ABLE TO COME OUT, UNLESS HE REMOVE HIMSELF,
BUT IRONIE HAS FOOLED HIM, AND TAKEN HIS LIFE,
many youngs make that error, and loose
AYE,
JUST TO NOT OVERLOOK A SMALL INJURY, IS TO LOOK AT THE SMALL BRUISE ON TRAYVON CHEST WHICH GOT HIM KILLED,
SO ZIMMERMAN WAS REALLY BRUISED BY THE HEAD BASHING WHICH DID NOT IMPRESS SOME PEOPLE BUT HE IS THE ONE WHO LOST LOT’S OF BLOOD OUT OF IT AND COULD HAVE LOST COUNCIOUSNES
ANY TIME OVER THOSE SCARS,
http://abcnews.go.com/US/cops-witnesses-back-george-zimmermans-version/story?id=16371852
“cops, witnesses backup Zimmerman’s story.” Go to the link…see the photos.
Zimmerman should be given the key to the ****ing city, but in this alternative universe where the likes of Jackson, Sharpton, Aye the “Race Traitor” and Mata “I’ll never admit I was wrong” continue to lie and sling bovine fecal matter the truth will most likely never see the light of day.
@wigmon:
Complicating an issue and engaging in misdirection and obfuscation is standard operating procedure for Mata and her confederate Aye.
Both have been caught red-handed at being horribly wrong on the Martin vs. Zimmerman incident and since they aren’t adult enough to admit they were/are wrong they’ll continue to sling the bullsh*t “fast and furious” to confuse the readers of this blog.
I’m on to their little game, as are others.
More from the autopsy of Trayvon Martin.
He had THC in his blood.
That’s the active ingredient of pot.
So, he was under the influence.
Did dad know?
Where was dad when Trayvon was getting stoned?
One state (I forget which) has decided on an amount of THC in one’s system to be called ”impaired.”
I also don’t know the amount or how high Trayvon’s amount was.
So Trayvon Martin was stoned when he attacked Zimmerman. Someone here will no doubt say
“Doesn’t change a damn thing.”
The cops and witnesses back up Zimmerman’s account. Someone here will say
“Doesn’t change a damn thing.”
No amount of facts will change a damn thing for some I guess.
Does a stoned Trayvon Martin sill look like Obama’s son?
Having THC in his system does not mean Martin was stoned at the time of the incident. It can still be detected a month after last use. It’s already known that he’d been suspended for possession of marijuana residue. Also, marijuana does not have a reputation for causing violent behavior.
His being found with stolen property and a burglary tool makes more of an impression on me. It’s that and the other wannabe gangster indications that make me wonder if the attack on Zimmerman was about “respect” in the thug life sense.
@Aye:
It changes everything, for you, Aye.
We now see, I knew this from the beginning and stated so, that MARTIN USED ILLEGAL DRUGS.
Of course, Mata would prefer to focus on the LEGAL drug use of Zimmerman, and ignore Martin’s involvement in the drug trade.
Of course, Aye, you can continue betraying your race, like one of those nefarious white who sold guns and whiskey to the Indians, and claim that Zimmerman is still guilty.
With each passing day, Aye (and lackey Mata), you’re looking worse and worse.
@Wm T Sherman: @Wm T Sherman:
Negative. The metabolized THC remains for months, not the initial dose of THC, which Martin had in his system and which also means he had smoked the crap hours before.
This puts the nail in the case that Martin was some little angelic baby. He was a thug-common as dirt and because of that he is taking a nap in said dirt.
@DrJohn: Dr. John, you should initiate another thread where all the evidence we have, especially the recent revelation that Martin was stoned at the time of his attack on Zimmerman, is brought to light.
It will be fun to watch Mata and Aye squirm some more.
😉
@Nan G:
Martin was scum-a drug-dealing thug who, until Zimmerman manned up and saved society the grief of putting up with this thug and his reign of terror, would have continued to use drugs and pump drugs into the community.
I said this from the beginning. Martin was lower than pond-scum, as all drug-dealers are.
Now, let’s deal with those in our little blog who shilled for Martin, shall we?
@DrJohn: Most likely! Actually, THC can be detected in the urine for as long as 30 days after using. Still, Martin is dead because of his lack of respect for others and the law.
IVAN
you are getting outrageous, with your comments on MATA AND AYE,
THEY both are trying to make us see on the other side so to keep it balance,
so to be fair for the justice to follow it’s course toward the right to win over the wrong.
Hey Ivan – you’re seriously coming out of the closet with that “race-traitor” stuff. No sale, a-hole.
I haven’t figured whether this guy’s motivation for coming here yet, but I’m leaning towards Moby. Look how dissension within Flopping Aces attracts this guy like a fly to a dog turd, and how he tries to promote conflict. Remember how up until now his message has consistently been that there’s no hope, and that everybody should just give up.
Martin committed a forcible felony on an armed citizen. Poor choice on his part. Anything outside the last 60-90 seconds before the round was fired is specious and the case IS the criminal assault that Martin visited upon Zimmerman that resulted in the use of lethal force. Trying to read anything else into the case is pointless. Please do chase yourselves around the barn and keep projecting your personal prejudices against Zimmerman, SPD, Wolfinger and anyone else that doesn’t measure up to your high standards. Especially Mr.Aye, you’ve had a hard on for GZ and the SPD from day one.You’re not going to get the result you want from the jury trial, but what the hell Holder may give you what you want when he tries to railroad them with a Federal Civil Rights case.
Brian
hi,
how about new developing news leaning toward the right side,
nice is in it?
Bees,
I couldn’t find my #37 comment. They start with #51. If it didn’t sound right, I might have meant it for someone else.
If there is someone computer literate enough, I would like to have a program that lets me save any messages I write in any media: Blogs, Facebook, Twitter, etc. I especially would like it to save the emails to my politicians that I have to go through their web sight to send. I try to remember to copy-and-past them to save them, but I don’t always remember. I will pay a reasonable price for such a program. If you know someone who would be interested in designing such a program, please pass it on to them. Ask them to make it for Macs too, or I can’t use it. I think it would sell.
Bees ;
I don’t know that the truth will ever be enough for some people. There are people stuck with and sucked into the narrative that Julison Communication crafted for Parks & Crump and their efforts to manipulate, purposely deceive and mislead the public to the benefit of Team Skittles. Liberal forums are ate plumb up with whiners, in denial of fact that angelic little TM initiated the kinetics and the unbalanced, gun-waving brute GZ is to blame for not having the common courtesy to lay still and let little TM beat him into a vegetative state. Prejudice is alive and well on the Internet and on this Forum, where the right to self defense is abrogated if one is a non-black.
Smorgasbord
hi,
what I do to save, I download what I want to save, and I go to where all my download are,that is on another place where all the things are like download included,
and I have a SUB it is a little gadget I learned about not long ago, and it is moveble part that you click in to the computer, it is a memory downloads keepsake, and once in the laptop, you click on the download
each one and click your mouse and it say among other thing send to kingston, and I click on send and it go in my little gadget name kingston,,
there are other gadget same as kingston from other companies, but me, when I start on one, I don’t change, so this memory is kept and when you filled the pie shape which tell me it’s full when I click on kingston to check it sometimes, than I remove the gadget and buy another one, so far I filled up almost 3
and put it aside in a safe place,
hope I explained okay, I am still ignorant on computer, and I wish they would have a book with it when you buy one, it could provide some info, but we have to learn it by ourself,
when you think a 6 year old know all about it today, I always admire the kids you find in the store clicking the computer in display at 100 miles an hour,
bye
Brian
hi, it is frustrating yes, and this story has brought many ideas for and against,
some against have laws info and stick to the law knowledge, and the other have the knowledge in their
emotional logic, where it is sometimes deceived by the law know all, but we had many with both who came to give their mind, that is leaning toward the right one
I’m anxious to learn if the twoo will merge at the end to free this man which we can feel his innocence,
so much we can touch it in our guts, and we are outrage by the cold law know all who lost the heart of anything which happen in the community of people of different minds and heart and soul,
of course there are to be a line to limit actions, and like in the war some will die, and some survive,but injured for life for many, because they where in a place where evil is the master,
best to you
@ilovebeeswarzone: #84
I mentioned in my comment that I have an Apple computer. Programs have to be made for Apples. Most are made just for PCs. The program I would like to have is one that asks if I want to save what I am typing, then lists the places I have saved before, but also lets me keep adding others. This way I wouldn’t be able to forget to save it.
Different times I have written my politicians, and they answer me, but they always mail me and use the pre-written long-winded answer, and I don’t remember what I wrote them. I always give them my email address, but they still reply by the USPS. I guess that is their way of helping them.
The best way to learn things on your computer are the “Dummies” books. I have used them for years. They explain things in simple and fun ways. Years ago, one Lotus program I bought came with “Lotus For Dummies.” Get a “Dummies” book for the operating system you have and you will learn a lot. My problem is that I don’t use many of the features, so I forget the “shortcuts.” I am retired, and have all of the time in the world, so taking the scenic routes is OK with me.
Smorgasbord
hi, if you are implying that I am a dummy, are ya?
well you are right on, but don’t tell anyone here,
it must be secret, to preserve my stature
bye
and I don’t know what you are talking there with APPLES AND ORANGES,
BYE
@ilovebeeswarzone: #87
There are two DIFFERENT kinds of computers: The PCs and the Apples (commonly called Mac). They run on different operating systems, but you can run Windows programs on a Mac because it uses the exact same Intel chip that the PCs use. I quit using a PC after if froze up like they are known to do. Macs hardly ever freeze up. FYI, most of the computer games for the PCs are created on Macs because of their superior graphics.
@Ivan:
Ivan, you stupid bitch!
How can you even begin to make such an accusation against me? Oh, that’s right…You can’t because you don’t have even the slightest effing clue what race I am.
I have never based my arguments on race here or anywhere else. Nor have I ever said anything here or anywhere else that could be remotely construed as racist in any direction.
You, however, boil every issue down to race don’t you? That’s your standard MO. Everything boils down to race. You’ve made clear your revulsion for other races since your arrival here.
You are, in short, the most racist dumb azz idiot I’ve ever come across. You’re a walking, talking, knuckle-dragging, real-life argument in favor of forced sterilization.
It’s clear that the best part of you ran down your momma’s leg.
@Aye:
Now that is truly an ugly insult no matter what the justification, particularly when it is aimed at directed toward a woman.
A true gentleman and a real American would apologize for it and immediately delete such foul insults.
For those who wish to claim that Martin was “stoned” or “high” or “under the influence” or “drugged out” the night he was shot, you might want to stop with your lying at least long enough to gather the facts:
And this:
Of course, none of those finding are going to matter to those who in such a hurry to lynch the black guy.
@Mike O’Malley:
First of all Mr. O’Malley… Ivan is NOT a woman and no insult has been directed at a woman.
So, your opinion on the matter is silly, pointless, and uninformed. Of course, that’s what we’ve come to expect from you.
Secondly, since you’ve poked your head out, I will invite you to address your own racist tendencies which have been left in plain view on this thread.
I notice you’ve been avoiding that issue like the plague. Running. Ducking. Dodging. Ignoring. Hiding in the darkness.
Hmmm… Why is that? Why is it that you cannot explain to everyone here why you’re holding the African-American female to a different standard than the two white guys?
@Aye:
A straw man is a component of an argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent’s position. To “attack a straw man” is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the “straw man”), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.
More straw men,
more condescension
and no apology
doesn’t play well with others …
Have a good day Mr. Aye.
@Mike O’Malley:
Mr. O’Malley, you’ve had multiple and repetitive opportunities on at least two threads on this site to explain or defend your position regarding Ms. Fulton and the “unfavorable light” you claim has been cast on her by supposedly quitting her job.
You’ve been given multiple opportunities to answer very basic questions:
Even today you continue to duck, dodge, evade, and avoid.
It clearly abundant that you hold racist views and tendencies you are unable, or unwilling, to even attempt to defend though you’ve been presented with multiple opportunities.
Congratulations on that.
@Aye:
Wow, you really have hit rock-bottom. Is this what passes for rational discourse in your ever increasingly small world?
I feel sorry for you, Aye. Mata and you have become more shrill in your attacks on the board members who stood their ground and defend the wrongly accused Geo. Zimmerman.
The reality is that you and Mata were 100% wrong in your hi-tech lynching of Zimmerman from the initial thread that began a little over a week ago. Yet, you and Mata refuse to accept any responsibility for your standing up for the DRUG DEALING, DRUG USING Martin.
Any time you wish to apologize to Dr. John, a great guy whom you excoriated in previous threads, I suggest you do so publicaly so we can all see you’ve manned up.
God bless,
Ivan.
Generally I don’t waste my valuable time with bottom feeder sniveling scum, but I would certainly hope that most would demonstrate a higher degree of education and reading ability. No where I have “lynched” Zimmerman. I have merely explained the prosecution’s approach for the charges. If they do not have sufficient evidence to convince a jury beyond all reasonable doubt, Zimmerman will be acquitted. If not, he’s going to be sorry he didn’t plea bargain.
It’s been explained by me what the prosecution has to prove. If you’d prefer something that doesn’t offend any of your personal sensibilities that conflict with your personal hatred of me, then you may wander over to FindLaw’s blog to a similar explanation… sans all the hormones and testosterone flying around here… by Andrew Chou. He repeats what I’ve said, and what a few here seem to have a problem comprehending, as to what the prosecution needs to prove to get a 2nd degree murder charge to stick.
Which brings me to those who prefer to use their own layman nomenclature and common daily use definitions for “depraved”, and ignore the use of that phrase in the legal world. One would think some would do a few simple searches of legal definition sites – like US Legal, or FindLaw – would lay those misconceptions to rest. But apparently not. Now, with this thread, it’s the third time I’ve linked to legal resources. “Depraved mind” or indifference is simply a disregard for human life, and one’s actions demonstrated a disregard for the potential for damage or injury to human life.
Linking to Florida’s standard jury instructions (pg 6), as laid out by the FL Supreme Court you will notice that even vehicular homicide… ergo a simple car accident resulting in a death… is a category two “depraved mind” murder.
If the prosecution does not believe Zimmerman’s story about taking two minutes to get back to the safety of his car, and continued to search for Martin… while armed (especially since Zimmerman himself had noted that Martin tried to avoid Zimmerman) they will attempt to prove that an armed Zimmerman demonstrated a disregard for the potential of injury or loss of life if the two met. It’s as simple as that. Whether the prosecution can convince a jury of that is up to them.
As far as the drugs…. no where did I “focus” on Zimmerman’s prescription use. Frankly I wouldn’t care if Martin was stoned and Zimmerman had just popped his sleeping pill. I only noted that it’s the usual dangerous procedure by both doctors and the state to load people up on one drug to do one thing, and another to counteract it. Since I lost a nephew at a young age to these types of drugs… prescribed to him from grade school forward… I’m well aware of the yo yo effects they can have on a personality after a long period of use. We have no idea how long Zimmerman was on those drugs. But if you ask me whether I would find marijuana or that combo of drugs on anyone’s body more likely to affect a person’s mental and psychological capacity, the Adderall/Temazepam wins hands down. Smoking pot doesn’t move a body to violence. On the other hand, there’s been quite a bit of research on teens who’ve gone off after being on Ritalin… the more mild version of Adderall… for extended periods. My guess is that if Zimmerman had these in his system long term, he’s got a good defense for himself as being mentally incapacitated.
Oh yes… in response to my basic information about the two drugs in combination, drj sez So we’ve got Zimmerman diagnosed already but let’s not talk about Martin’s drug use and sales. Not to point out the obvious,drj, but apparently Zimmerman *has* been diagnosed already… not by me, but by his doctor who prescribed that combination of drugs. And if you think that the use of marijuana vs those drugs has any equivalency, you’d better be dropping your “doctor” handle, so people don’t think you know more about something than you obviously don’t.
But if some want to continue to use the word “lynching”, that apparently is confined to those bent on doing so to Martin. It’s not only embarrassing to see such racial bias on display here, forming conclusions about a teen that none of you know, hyperventilating about pot smokers so they are the equivalent of a one-kid cocaine drug cartel in your naive minds, but it’s disheartening that that so many that call themselves conservatives show so much resistance to our judicial system running it’s course.
Now, you all continue your quest to usurp the justice system in order to satisfy your emotional needs. Me? I think I’ll wait for the evidence and jury’s decision. In the meantime, I think I’ve had my quota of interfacing with enough butt ugly humans for awhile. ta ta
Nan excerpt: More from the autopsy of Trayvon Martin.
He had THC in his blood.
That’s the active ingredient of pot.
So, he was under the influence.
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Yes, THC is an active ingredient of pot. The autopsy report said Martin had a “trace amount” of THC in his blood. The number quoted by the Examiner’s report indicated a trace amount. The report is not easily understood by laymen. Scientifically, a trace amount of the chemical compound of pot indicates the subject used the substance 2 weeks — to 90 days prior to death. That reduces Martin being under the influence of pot, to a non-issue according to the science. Trace is a (scant amount) which stays in the human system up to 90 days.
We don’t know if Zimmerman’s Rx medications had any effect on his actions. One side-effect of his medications is aggressiveness. Sanford PD investigators did not take blood samples on Zimmerman, which indicates sloppy investigational work.
@Mike O’Malley:
Spot on, Mike. Fire for effect!
@Aye:
As opposed to you who succeeded in helping to lynch an good American of Hispanic descent?
@Aye:
While I question your reason for wanting to inject race into your comparison of Sybrina Fulton to John Walsh and Mark Klaas, it is the actions of each that should be compared, not their race.
When Adam Walsh was kidnapped and missing, and Polly Klaas was kidnapped and quickly found murdered did:
John Walsh or Mark Klaas immediately hire attorneys who started claiming that the police departments were not doing their jobs and were neglectful in their duties?
Did either men, or their wives, sign on as clients to an attorney who has a reputation as a bottom-feeding tort lawyer who plays the race card?
When did either men create their foundations in honor of their (then known to be dead) children? Was it within a month after the child was missing? And what was the purpose of those original foundations?
How soon after the kidnapping of their children did Mark Klaas and John Walsh leave their jobs?
Did either men hire a PR firm to deal with all the media reporting on the kidnapping of their children so that the PR firm could manage the spin that was being put out by their lawyers?
How soon after the kidnapping of their children did Mark Klaas/John Walsh hold press conferences with race baiters and bottom feeding tort lawyers accusing the police departments of not doing due diligence in investigating their cases? And how soon did either men hold money bomb benefits for their “foundations?”
Did either men refuse to cooperate with law enforcement’s investigations until they discussed it with their attorneys as Tracy Martin did?
“Page 17 of discovery
Sanford Police Department
Report by Stacie McCoy, SPD
Mod Date: 3/9/2012
On March 1, 2012 Inv. Singleton contacted a representative from T-Mobile who told her if the Sanford Police Department obtained the cell phone number and the pin number to the account they would be able to bypass the swipe code on the cell phone.
On March 5, 2012, I contacted Mr. Martin (victims father) via cell phone and asked if I could obtain the pin number from the victims cell phone. Mr. Martin stated he would contact his lawyer before releasing that information.”
When you can show that either John Walsh, or Mark Klaas, aligned themselves with someone the caliber of Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, or perhaps David Duke, then you have a comparison.
The sad part is that I have started to feel sorry for Sybrina Fulton. She sent her son, who was suspended from school for reasons other than being an Eagle Scout, to his father, I am sure hoping that the father could straighten her son out, has rapidly become the Cindy Sheehan of 2012, and as soon as her usefulness is used up by the bottom feeders she has allowed to attach themselves to her, she will be thrown under the bus by them.
If there is any race comparison to be made, it is this: had Trayvon Martin been white, and George Zimmerman been black, this case would not be known about by many Americans. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are not beating the bushes to bring justice to the four black teenagers that recently beat a U.S. soldier to a pulp.
@retire05:
Actually, I agree with you wholeheartedly.
We absolutely should examine the actions of each and compare them. We know for sure that Walsh and Klaas both quit their jobs. We know for sure that Ms. Fulton did not quit her job but was falsely accused of having done so by you.
In light of your eagerness to wade in, I’ll pose to you, once again, the questions that Mr. O’Malley is so diligently trying to avoid answering:
And additional questions posed directly to you previously (but subsequently ignored):
The last time you attempted to pull Mr. O’Malley’s cajones out of the fire on this very topic things didn’t turn out so well for you. Yet you’re back again for another bite of the apple.
Tis a shame you didn’t grow smart before you grew old.
@MataHarley:
Wow, I guess you forget how you ripped into Dr.John, who correctly nailed it that Zimmerman was innocent, in that initial thread.
Lowering yourself to ad hominen attacks against me, or anyone else for that matter, only shows how increasingly shrill and desperate you have become.
Rule #1 of digging yourself into a hole is stop digging.
You’re way in over your head.
Take care and have a great weekend-and chill out, life’s too short!
So… now Ivan is saying that Dr J is “bottom feeder sniveling scum” while yammering about ad hominen attacks.
Of course, this is the same waste of flesh who has referred to me as a “race traitor” on multiple occasions.
Ah, the sweet smell of toasted irony on a Friday afternoon.