He was injured– just as he said he was.
A medical report compiled by the family physician of accused Trayvon Martin murderer George Zimmerman and obtained exclusively by ABC News found that Zimmerman was diagnosed with a “closed fracture” of his nose, a pair of black eyes, two lacerations to the back of his head and a minor back injury the day after he fatally shot Martin during an alleged altercation.
Zimmerman faces a second degree murder charge for the Feb. 26 shooting that left the unarmed 17-year-old high school junior dead. Zimmerman has claimed self defense in what he described as a life and death struggle that Martin initiated by accosting him, punching him in the face, then repeatedly bashing his head into the pavement.
Also today, a trove of documents are being examined by lawyers for both the defense and prosecution as part of discovery in Zimmerman’s trial — including 67 CDs worth of documents, video of Martin on the night of the shooting, his autopsy report and videos of Zimmerman’s questioning by police.
Zimmerman’s three-page medical report is included in those documents that the defense could use as evidence.
And it also turns out that, contrary to the “Official Report of the Funeral Director”, Trayvon Martin had bloody knuckles– as one might suffer when punching someone else in the face.
WFTV has confirmed that autopsy results show 17-year-old Trayvon Martin had injuries to his knuckles when he died.
The information could support George Zimmerman’s claim that Martin beat him up before Zimmerman shot and killed him.
The autopsy results come as Zimmerman’s attorney, Mark O’Mara continues to go over other evidence in the case.
O’Mara wouldn’t comment on the autopsy evidence, but WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer said it’s better for the defense than it is for the prosecution.
WFTV has learned that the medical examiner found two injuries on Martin’s body: The fatal gunshot wound and broken skin on his knuckles.
When you compare Trayvon’s non-fatal injury with Zimmerman’s bloody head wounds, the autopsy evidence is better for the defense, Sheaffer said.
“It goes along with Zimmerman’s story that he acted in self-defense, because he was getting beaten up by Trayvon Martin,” Sheaffer said.
The injury to Martin’s knuckle also fits with Zimmerman’s story that before he shot and killed Martin, Martin had broken his nose and knocked him to the ground, slamming his head on the sidewalk.
It continues to fall into place for Zimmerman. The big problem for him is that this execrable, disgusting, racist administration is likely to hunt Zimmerman down for eternity until they find him guilty of something- even if it turns out to be littering.
WFTV has learned charges against George Zimmerman could be getting more serious.
State prosecutors said Zimmerman, a neighborhood watchman, profiled and stalked 17-year-old Trayvon Martin before killing him, so the FBI is now looking into charging him with a hate crime.
Zimmerman admitted to killing Martin in February during a confrontation. However, he claims the shooting was in self-defense. He’s facing a second-degree murder charge, which carries a maximum possible sentence of life in prison without the possibility of parole. But if Zimmerman is charged and found guilty of a federal hate crime involving murder, he could face the death penalty.
Eric Holder is very sensitive about anyone who offends “my people” and could give a damn about anyone else. There is NOTHING to indicate George Zimmerman profiled Trayon Martin simply because of his race. In fact, there is potent evidence to the contrary:
Though civil rights demonstrators have argued Zimmerman should not have prejudged Martin, one black neighbor of the Zimmermans said recent history should be taken into account.
“Let’s talk about the elephant in the room. I’m black, OK?” the woman said, declining to be identified because she anticipated backlash due to her race. She leaned in to look a reporter directly in the eyes. “There were black boys robbing houses in this neighborhood,” she said. “That’s why George was suspicious of Trayvon Martin.”
None of that will matter to this cretinous Attorney General or his equally miserable boss. George Zimmerman is more black than Elizabeth Warren is Cherokee. But since the left wing media has Zimmerman characterized as a cracker, that will be his fate and Shylock Holder will seek his pound of flesh.
Rarely has this country has so badly needed a change in leadership. And you are still a blithering idiot to believe anything Barack Obama says. An absolute moron.
DrJohn has been a health care professional for more than 30 years. In addition to clinical practice he has done extensive research and has published widely with over 70 original articles and abstracts in the peer-reviewed literature. DrJohn is well known in his field and has lectured on every continent except for Antarctica. He has been married to the same wonderful lady for over 30 years and has three kids- two sons, both of whom are attorneys and one daughter on her way into the field of education.
DrJohn was brought up with the concept that one can do well if one is prepared to work hard but nothing in life is guaranteed.
Except for liberals being foolish.
Waiting for apologies from Jackson, Sharpton, Lamestream media…. waiting… waiting….
Darn crickets!!!
There is little doubt that Zimmerman got himself into a situation that he lost control over. The medical reports seem to indicate that Martin was the aggressor which may very well get Zimmerman off the hook. Since the three reverends, POTUS, and the MSM all played up the race issue, we can probably safely assume that should that happen, there will be race riots. Naturally none the aggitators will take any blame for the ensuing chaos and loss of life. It’s shaping up to be a wild summer. Enjoy the ride.
I wonder how long before notorious race-traitor Aye and his toady Mata will own-up to how wrong they were about backing Martin, the street-thug?
Any one wish to put some money down they lay low on this thread?
😉
Good work, Dr. John. Fire for Effect!!!
@Fedp: And Aye and Mata.
@another vet:
What are you talking about?
Zimmerman is a hero. Martin was a thug, involved in the ILLEGAL drug trade, and Mr. Z was on to his game.
Zimmerman exhibited uncommon valor by letting the perp know he was being watched.
I say bill the cost of the bullet to Martin’s parents.
THEY HAVE ALREADY BEGUN BY USING THE YOUNG TO DO THEIR DIRTY WORK OF COWARDLY ATTACK INNOCENT PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE WHITE,
BUT NOW, THE WHITES ARE EXPECTING THOSE AGRESSIONS AND WILL RETALIATE,
SO IT WILL COME BACK TO HAUNT THEM IF THEIR OWN SONS ARE BEING SHOT OUT
OF SELFDEFENCE,
JUST LIKE ZIMMERMAN DID BECAUSE HE HAD NO MORE CHOICE LOCKED UNDER THE WEIGHT AND
BEATING OF THE 6 OVER HEAVY SET TRAYVON, AT THE AGE OF REASONNING THAT THE BIG SIGN TELLING OF NEIGHBORFOOD WATCH, WAS BEING REPRESENT BY THE MAN ON THE GROUND KEEPING AN EYE ON HIM BECAUSE HE WAS TOLD TO DO SO.
ANY CONCERN CITIZEN WOULD HAVE FELT GOOD TO KNOW SOMEONE WAS CARING TO SEE OF NO CRIMES OF BREAKING HOUSE WAS GOING TO HAPPEN ON HIS WATCH.
“Scooter” Libby basically went to prison because he recollected things slightly differently over YEARS of testifying about them.
George Zimmerman had just been punched in the face, had his head slammed into a sidewalk, then shot a man to death when he first answered questions about the incident.
I have mentioned before how one’s thinking can be clouded by head injuries.
So, Zimmerman’s ”versions” of events vary over time?
So what?!
His head has cleared.
His memory has faded in places and become set in stone in other places.
I expect it would cause his narrative to vary over time.
If it didn’t I’d suspect him more of making it all up.
But so far all his statements have been backed up by evidence.
Eric Holder is a horrid AG.
He is not ”for the people.”
He is only for HIS people.
@Ivan: If he didn’t lose control of the situation, he would have won the fight without shooting or he would have stopped Martin from even getting a hold of him. At some point in time, he dropped his guards and could have paid for it with his life. He is lucky he didn’t have the gun taken away from him and then used against him. I’m not sticking up for Martin. Being followed is no excuse for attacking someone which is appearing more likely what the case was. I believe what Zimmerman did, that is looking out for his neighborhood, was the right thing to do, however the situation spun out of control at some point.
another vet
hi,
you mentioned some very important truth,
that is; the proof that ZIMMERMAN had not been a deliberate shooter, and the will to kill was not
in his BRAIN AND SOUL, EXACTLY BECAUSE HE WAITED TILL HE WAS GOING TO DIE,
to shoot the opponent, any one could have shoot before, even the first punch,
thank you for mentioning it
bye
On behalf of, Obama, Sharpton, Jackson, et al. Zimmermans Dr. is a RACIST and the Coroner is a RACIST. Holder WILL get to the bottom of this travisty against this poor BLACK boy that was so bruitally murdered by that awful White Hispanic. I just thought I’d help out the current administraiton a little, those dweebs need it.
@UpChuck.Liberals: Clearly this is Bush’s fault!!
@ilovebeeswarzone: Zimmerman probably now wishes he had waited for the police. Martin, if he were still alive, probably would have wished he didn’t attack someone who had a gun.
another vet
I remember thinking the same quote after making my mistakes in life,
bye
Haven’t been around here for quite a while. In fact, just generally too busy to hang around this blog. But today, as luck would have it, I just happened to slide thru on a hour break and see what’s doing. Dang… like I never left. LOL I see the one trick monkeys are still filling up the echo chambers with the same ol’ rhetoric And of course, that the pathetic sniveler, Ivan, felt the need to @ add his personal insults, unsolicited, and lay down a challenge.
Well, I can’t have that. I’m thrilled to help anyone who took the sniveler’s bet, so here I am.. not laying low, to put in my two cents, then headed out into the real world again. Please feel free to contact the sniveler and collect your due rewards.
As far as this whole non-story…. gee. Is this news? Duh. It’s never been in dispute that Zimmerman and Martin tangled. There is dispute as to how that tangle happened and, in the prosecutors’ eyes, whether or not Zimmerman exhibited “depraved mind” – i.e. a disregard for human life – when he did not wait for the PD… and all that is what a trial is for.
Oh.. right. I forgot. You “conservatives” don’t believe in a Zimmerman trial. Never mind. You all have fun with with your hero worship circle. Me? I set my standards considerably higher for that classification.
MATA
THAT WAS FUNNY, it’s just the continuation of the news coming with their proof,
and the new tidbits from the other side who want him in rags and headless, WE ARE HELPING MR O’MARA, WITH
FINDING MORE CLUES FOR HIM,
nice to have you show up, that’s why IVAN WAS AIMING AT GETTING YOU BACK,
IT IS WAY TO SHOW HIS LOVE FOR YOU, HE DOES IT ALL THE TIME,
NOT SURE ABOUT HIS LOVE FOR AYE , SO HE SUCCEEDED,
WE ARE THE FAITHFUL PROTECTING GEORGE ZIMMERMAN AND LOVED ONES,
WE STAND ON GUARD FOR HIM, AND ALL THE LATINOS, WHOM WILL VOTES FOR CONSERVATIVES NOW FOR SURE, BECAUSE THEY ALL RESPECT THE UNION WITH A MAN AND A WOMAN TO BE THE RIGHT WAY, AND DON’T BUY THE SPEECH SAYING THE GAIS DON’T HAVE ANY RIGHTS BY OBAMA AND BIDEN, THE PROOF IS THEY MULTIPLY WITHOUT BEING HARASS THAT IS THEIR FREEDOM RIGHT THERE, OF COURSE IT’S NEVER ENOUGH, FOR THEM, BUT IT’S A LOT MORE THAN OTHER COUNTRIES GIVE, THEY HAVE WHAT AMERICA GAVE EVERYONE THAT IS FREEDOM TO VOTE NEXT NOVEMBER TO CHANGE THE FAILURES AND RESTART THE WHEEL ROLLING FOR MANY THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE NOT ABLE TO FIND A JOB.
AND ROMNEY WILL GIVE IT TO AMERICA WITHOUT CONSTANTLY BEGGING FOR MONEY FROM THE PEOPLE
Wait, death wish 3 is on AMC tonight. Where is Charles Bronson when you need him!
@Randy: It will be edited for television on AMC. Wait until it hits a movie channel or rent the DVD.
@MataHarley:
Wait a sec, we know Zimmerman confronted Martin (confronted as in force the interaction, not confronted as used in the affidavit for probable cause which the investigator said meant the same as “come together”)? The prosecutors don’t seem to know this.
The injuries were never in question for the reasonably minded, but there were a significant minority who questioned it and still do after the Dr. report.
The case comes down to this. Did Zimmerman do anything illegal before the two met face to face and/or did he start the violence. If it can’t be proven beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman did either of these, then case closed.
Honestly, I think the arrest and case is more about the potential civil suits than anything else. They had to make an arrest for a civil suit to have validity. The next hurdle will be the SYG hearing. If the defense cannot show by a preponderance of the evidence that Zimmerman committed an illegal act prior to the confrontation or started the fight, then Zimmerman will need to show that the force he used was necessary, which means that again the preponderance of the evidence shows he could reasonably have feared for his life or great bodily harm before using deadly force. If Zimmerman wins the SYG hearing and the case is dismissed, no civil actions against him can follow.
wigmon, the prosecutors are well aware of the “confrontation”, in the sense you use, because that is why they filed 2nd degree murder charges. I’ve pointed out in old threads (comments #19 and #21) that the prosecution is going to be focusing more on what led up to the “confrontation”, or meeting, than the actual altercation itself. For 2nd degree murder, they need to prove:
You say that the prosecution has to prove that Zimmerman did anything illegal before the two met fact to face, or did he start the violence. However the “criminal act” in Florida statutes, as it relates specifically to 2nd degree murder charges in that state, references “a single or a series of related actions arising from and performed pursuant to a single design or purpose of committing the murder or creating the dangerous condition that led to the death.
The “depraved mind without regard for human life” is the utter disregard or thought to the consequences to one’s decisions and actions, or the repercussions of Zimmerman’s choices that evening.
Ergo, with the charges, and what they need to prove, is that Zimmerman’s “criminal act”, defined by that statute, was the series of his actions choosing not to return to his vehicle when he hung up the phone with the dispatcher.. which was approx two minutes prior to the “confrontation”. The “depraved mind” was Zimmerman not giving clear thought to the events that could happen if he “confronted” Martin.
There is he said (Zimmerman) she said (Martin’s girlfriend) evidence. He says that he was jumped from behind, which may contradict what the girlfriend’s testimony says. ’tis a pity the PD didn’t bother to try to interview her until the case was reopened because of public outcry.
And as far as Zimmerman’s movements go, the prosecution may have a better handle on that since they are in possession of the video from the complex’s clubhouse. While it may not be able, or aimed, to focus clearly on the site of death, it may reveal Zimmerman’s movements from the time he left his car while in camera view. If Zimmerman continued to prowl around instead of returning to his car, which seems to be the case based on the minutes that transpired from his hang up to the altercation, the prosecutors are likely to include that in their “criminal act” – as defined by a series of events that created the dangerous condition that led to a death.
There’s ample precedent for this.. including a woman just days ago who, IMHO, got a really over the top conviction of 20 years for firing a warning shot during a domestic fight. In that case, no one died. The prosecutor? Angela Corey. The woman was black. That woman also attempted a SYG immunity hearing, refused a plea bargain, and like most immunity hearings, was denied. Instead, she got nailed big time. Why?
If Zimmerman attempts a “fear for his life” defense – and more than a few here have come to the conclusion that Zimmerman was afraid when Martin was walking towards him during the dispatcher call – but his movements show he both got out of his car to follow a person he was afraid of, and did not return to the safety of his vehicle and wait for the PD (in spite of that supposed former “fear”), a judge and jury may view his series of events as also “not consistent with someone in fear” for their safety.
As I said, the prosecution is going to focus more on what led up to the confrontation, based on their choice of charges, than who started, or was winning, any fight. No one questions the two had a scuffle. Only what events led to the scuffle.
As far as a successful immunity hearing? Highly unlikely. Statistics are against that, as I also pointed out in the other threads. An eerily similar case between Trevor Dooley and the now deceased David James was just rejected SYG immunity days ago.
@MataHarley:
…just can’t bring yourself to say you got this one wrong, huh?
You insulted Dr. John and myself ad naseum in the original thread as you were hell-bent on supporting Martin, the drug-dealer, and attacking Zimmerman, the law-abiding citizen.
Come on, I know you can say it.
I stumbled upon your site when all of the Trayvon news came out and have been returning and reading the blogs ever since. I did read something this evening that I feel is really important and I hope is not overlooked.
“It also states that, prior to the shooting, Zimmerman had been prescribed the drugs Adderall and Temazepam, medication that ABC points out “can cause side effects such as agitation and mood swings, but in fewer than 10 percent of patients.”
^ Excerpt from an article from ABC news report.
Here is a more full listing of side effects-
” Adderall can cause changes in your mental state. It may cause hallucinations, paranoia, mania (extreme happiness), hostility and aggression.”
Interesting how this article left out paranoia as an adderall side effect…wow! This actually sheds a whole new light on this for me. Maybe they should look into how Adderall may have played a role in all of this? If you havent taken this medication please quickly google adderall and paranoia and see what you find. Also, if you know someone who is prescribed adderall ask them if they ever took more than their prescribed dosage and ask them what they experienced. I really am quite shocked that this article only mentions mood swings. IMO Zimmerman definitely exhibited paranoid behavior which could have been the root cause that lead to this unfortunate event.
Mata, that woman who got the 20 years had every opportunity to flee.
She didn’t.
She went back into the home and then she shot into a wall where her own children were on the other side in their room.
Egregious.
When Zimmerman was asked by the dispatcher where the suspect went, he got out of his truck to see.
(He didn’t HAVE to but he chose to.)
Trayvon then came up to him from where he had been hiding, told him he had a problem now, got the drop on him and beat him bloody.
Trayvon’s last words were about which of them finally got the gun he had obviously seen.
“OK, you got it.”
Small comfort to have it when the one you struggled with was trying to kill you without it!
@AlisVolatPropriis:
“can cause” “in fewer than 10 percent of patients”
You would have to assume that the physician who prescribed Adderall would also explain to the patient that if any of the possible side effects manifested themselves, the patient was to stop taking the drug and return to the physician’s office. If not, then we have the added claim of medical malpractice, don’t we?
I remember when Patrick Kennedy was driving in the middle of the night in D. C. and had an accident. When the police arrived, he told them he was “heading for a vote” but later changed his story that he had “a couple of drinks” and then took an Ambien and was sleep driving (as in sleep walking).
Now, Ambien is basically a miracle drug for anyone who sufferes from cronic insomia, used to treat millions of patients, and up to the point of the Kennedy fiasco, there had been less than a dozen “sleep walking” while taken Ambien cases reported out of millions of users.
Zimmerman may have been prescribed Adderal, but you have no clue whether he was still taking it or not, if he suffered any side affects, and your claim of his acting paranoid is simply an arm chair diagnosis.
AlisVolatepropriis
oh my some media will come up with anything to help their cause,
if MR ZIMMERMAN would have taken that prescription
than it shows that it would have had a much calming effect on him,
specially by waiting till he was soon to be dead in order to react and shoot the opponent,
and if so, it would have answer my own question as to why did nt he shoot before,
as any good citizen would have done, to defend himself at the beginning of the attack
from that opponent before he is being pin down to the ground on a lock body to body,
@ilovebeeswarzone:
According to WebMD.com, Adderal is used to treat ADHD and/or sleeping disorders. The side affects that Alis listed are, according to WebMD.com, “unlikely but serious side effects.”
retire05
I’m between a hyena a crocodile and a leopard and his catch hanging on the tree,
just to say where I spend my time on tv sometimes, this is the most dangerous animals
including the african painted dogs,
I think alix was not really serious with the story, do you agree,
@ilovebeeswarzone:
Ummmm? Perhaps, Bees.
retire05
thank you
retire05
what is ADHD?
@MataHarley:
So what if he was walking to him after the dispatcher told him not to? There is NO LAW stating Zimmerman couldn’t ask Martin, the Oxygen thief, what he was up to?
Man, climb out of your Ivory tower and join the real world.
@ilovebeeswarzone:
Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder
retire05
again thank you,
I re read ALIX and he must have an intent to demise ZIMMERMAN,
AND THAT WOULD HAVE DEMAND A LINK TO CONFIRM WHAT HE IMPLIED,
BYE
Bees, this is the link to the ABC story about Zimmerman’s prescriptions for Adderall and Temazepam before this shooting ever took place.
That’s an interesting combination since Adderall is not only for ADHD, but also prescribed for narcolepsy. A sleep disorder where one can suddenly fall asleep in the middle of doing anything. Adderall is an amphetamine or stimulant, and is a Schedule II drug like cocaine and codeine.
But Temazepam – a sleep inducing sedative – is prescribed for the opposite end of the spectrum, like insomnia, panic disorders and anti-anxiety. Makes you wonder if the intent of the doctor was one (stimulant) pill to stay awake, and the other (a hypnotic sedative) to fall asleep, counteracting the other. After all, the government and doctors are the largest drug dealers in the nation.
Both drugs as classified as having high potential for abuse, and being on both can have a damaging yo yo effect on a body. The symptoms the commenter above described are among some of the potential side effects. What both drugs simultaneously can do – and we don’t know how long Zimmerman was using these – ain’t likely to be a healthy result.
MATA
THANK YOU
WHAT does this have to do with his defensive actions except to have delayed it, if he had taken some thing
and waited till his life was at the ending before actionate his survival button.
that would answer the puzlle that another vet mentioned on his comment,
meaning he waited too long to react, and also that he was not the aggressor,
but his movement did not tell that he was acting like a he was under drugs,
that is probably what the other side want to pin on him, and further more,
when he appear in the court the first time he was straight as a bar and never blink an eye
that is not what a drug induce person would be doing,
of course if he was in pain which I can imagine they would have prescribe something to help him relax the pain, that men was viciously beat up, and must have been in pain in many places,
he cried of course he cryed, and could not sleep of course because he is not a killer
he lived an anormal situation which put him in a stress of course. what are they trying to INSINUATE? AND THEY ARE TOO OBVIOUS
bye
AlixVolatePropiis
what do you mean by your last personal deduction,
, DEFINITLY DEMONSTRATE
PARANOID BEHAVIOR, you are pinning it on him deliberatly.
this not the case, there are no reason for anyone to say that he demonstrate abnormal behavior,
it’s more TRAYVON who demonstrate an odd behavior by what we know occur, uncontrol rage spree
meaning his attack and wording I WILL KILL YOU. AND VIOLENT ACTIONS
MATA
HI,
I would not think someone would take those pills together, that is one if a person suffer from insomnia, and the other to stimulate the focus, they would eliminate each other,
bye
They want to be a part of the “ineptocracy” type of government.
Ineptocracy.
(in-ep-toc’-ra-cy) – A system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.
@wigmon:
No we don’t know that.
@MataHarley:
So we’ve got Zimmerman diagnosed already but let’s not talk about Martin’s drug use and sales.
While the comments on this subject has as always been interesting, I think one of the most revealing analysis has been presented by Bob Owens. http://www.bob-owens.com/ His experiences in the military and law enforcement are revealed in his analysis. It makes more sense than many of the incomplete stories I have read.
Randy
this is the best I read yet as very logic, and confirm my thoughts,
I would like to have his talk about the prescription he had,
they want to insinuate it had some weight into his decision to shoot the attacker,
thank you
I think what Mata is getting at, is we all need bigger beds to hide under. No protecting the things that you have worked a life to gain, no protecting the small plot of land that you call your home or apartment. Dial the phone from safely under the bed and wait the the police to come and take down some notes before going back to the donut shop. Thugs become thugs because good people allow them to become thugs. That Zimmerman is being condemned for “watching” out for his and the communities stuff, in itself, is an outrage.
@Randy: I have been saying most of that all along. This was private property and there had been numerous burglaries committed by young black men as noted by the above witness and yet some still assert that Zimmerman has no right to question why Martin was there? Seriously? I was insulted when I asserted that Zimmerman stopped following Martin when it was clear he did stop. The insults continued despite the fact that Martin should have been at his destination 20 minutes before the incident. Then Zimmerman calls the cops so they can come and be witness to his “stalking” and murdering Martin? That’s beyond ridiculous. It doesn’t strain credulity- it obliterates it.
Smorgasbord
on 37
did you do as I did some other time,?
give your comment in the wrong POST?
BECAUSE IT DOESN’T FIT HERE, AND YOU DID NOT ADDRESS IT TO NO NAME, NO NUMBER,I see that someone made you angry,
bye
This is the most popular story on this site? Shades of O.J. Simpson. With all the pressing problems in the US today? Oh, well, maybe it serves as comic relief.
While I agree with so many here who say George Zimmerman had a right to speak with Trayvon Martin, I also know from long years of having drug dealers in the area (off and on) that you have to be cautious.
For example, if a drug dealer is selling to drivers of cars that pull up and seem to shake his hand, you would be wise to collect as many license plate numbers as possible in a way that does not attract attention.
I use gardening out front as a cover.
When you finally call police you should also know where the main stash is being hidden.
It is rare that a dealer carries more than a small amount.
I have been able to obverse stash spots like under stairs, taped to the inside of garbage cans, in the folds of a baby carriage top, in a little girl’s coat who is playing outside, under a stepping stone.
Giving the police a drug bust on a platter is always welcomed.
But just walking up and confronting someone who is up to no good is unwise.
Drug dealer OR burgler.
IF I am drawn into a conversation by a dealer (who is upset because I’m out there so much) I deflect his fear by gushing about how great I am getting the front garden to look.
After all it is my excuse for being out there so much.
I go on about various plants and how we are in a desert and need to cut back water use, etc.
I very rarely insist on anything in the way of personal information.
Sometimes I start that off by asking about their accent, if they have one.
Or if one of those children is his.
Then we can talk a bit about them, but it isn’t necessary.
Zimmerman did not have perfect reactions to everything that went down.
Obama’s Holder wants to charge him with a hate crime.
I think that’s an over-reach.
Liberal1 [objectivity]
how do you know it is the most popular?
@Liberal1 (objectivity):
I notice that it was pretty interesting to Sharpton and Jackson until they could milk nothing more from it.
Nan
yes on that which ZIMMERMAN COULD NOT HAVE DISPLAYED
COVERED Answers to be ready if confronted,
but he was not expected to need it, it maybe it’s the reason why,
that is an important tool, which should have been enphasize in the training times,
bye
@drjohn: And the President.
@MataHarley:
That reads as if you are citing the prosecutor’s decision to go to trial as evidence of guilt. Is that the meaning you intended?
Because, the affidavit of arrest for 2nd degree murder has been denounced as insubstantial and unethical by a number of legal experts. Have you commented on that? I could easily have missed it.
The ‘confrontation’ scenario is most definitely disputed. The alternative story is that Zimmerman stopped following when the dispatcher called upon to do so, was looking around briefly to establish his location, when Trayvon Martin turned back, approached Zimmerman, knocked him down with a punch that broke his nose, and then straddled him and began pounding his head on the pavement. There is evidence for that scenario. What is the evidence for the scenario of Zimmerman following Martin after being instructed not to do so? And, why should that convict him of murder anyway?
I see that Dr J continues to breathlessly glom onto whatever the media shovels his way, especially when it suits his preconceived agenda.
So, with the leak of some details of the autopsy report what, precisely, has changed?
Not a damned thing.
There has never been any doubt that Zimmerman and Martin were involved in a physical altercation with one another. There are multiple witnesses to that effect. So, what do we know now that we didn’t know two days ago?
What we know is that Martin had two injuries: a gunshot wound to his left chest and [one] small abrasion, no more than a quarter-inch in size – on his left ring finger below the knuckle.
That’s right folks… this breathless panting and salivating over media accounts of Martin’s injuries boils down to [one] small abrasion, no more than a quarter-inch in size.
Hmmm… what does that prove exactly? What does that tell us about the events of Feb 26th that we didn’t already know? That’s right, not a damned thing.
[One] small abrasion, no more than a quarter-inch in size most certainly doesn’t support the meme that Zimmerman was getting the bat snot beaten out of him to the point that he feared for his life.
We know from Zimmerman’s medical report that he had two minor cuts to the back of his head; one was 1/4″ long, the other less than 1″ neither of which required sutures.
We know that Zimmerman had a likely broken nose for which he did NOT seek any sort of medical attention the night of the injury. In fact, the PD’s offer to take him to the hospital. Nor did he follow up with an ENT for additional treatment. In fact, the only reason Zimmerman went to the doctor at all was to get a release to return to work.
It’s funny to hear people talk about how horrific Zimmerman’s injuries were, and pontificate endlessly about how those injuries are supposedly visible in surveillance video from the police station. [Snicker]
Those injuries…those huge gashes…those life-threatening wounds…that supposedly justified shooting a 17 year old to death…amount to nothing more than two cuts, one 1/4″ and [the other] less than 1″ long.
Yet we are supposed to believe that those injuries justified shooting Martin to death?
Laughable.
While the cheer leading squad has been occupied with their masturbatory fantasies they have failed to realize that these two medical reports do nothing to bolster Zimmerman’s case whatsoever. In fact, quite the opposite is true.
Talk about “dominoes falling”.
If Mr. Zimmerman and Mr. O’Mara are smart, they are plea bargaining like crazy right now.