127 Responses to The Zimmerman dominos continue to fall [Reader Post]

  1. Aye says: 101

    @retire05:

    While I question your reason for wanting to inject race into your comparison of Sybrina Fulton to John Walsh and Mark Klaas, it is the actions of each that should be compared, not their race.

    Actually, I agree with you wholeheartedly.

    We absolutely should examine the actions of each and compare them. We know for sure that Walsh and Klaas both quit their jobs. We know for sure that Ms. Fulton did not quit her job but was falsely accused of having done so by you.

    In light of your eagerness to wade in, I’ll pose to you, once again, the questions that Mr. O’Malley is so diligently trying to avoid answering:

    If Ms. Fulton did indeed quit her job (and there’s no evidence that she did) how, precisely, does that cast “an unfavorable light” on her?

    How does that work exactly? I am genuinely interested in knowing.

    Have we suddenly time-traveled place in American history where an African-American female doesn’t have the right to decide when or if she will continue working without approval from the overseer?

    When John Walsh quit his job as a hotel executive and Marc Klaas quit his job as a rental car agency franchise holder were they, too, cast in “an unfavorable light”?

    Or, is that whole “unfavorable light” thing reserved exclusively for African-American females who (supposedly) quit their jobs after their teenage sons are shot to death?

    I’m genuinely curious about how it works in the minds of those who wish to sneer and point fingers.

    And additional questions posed directly to you previously (but subsequently ignored):

    In the interest of fairness and not wanting to engage in a rush to judgement, I will ask you to kindly go ahead and explain how the African-American female is subject to one standard while the two white guys get a pass for the same exact behavior.

    I’m genuinely interested in how this whole “unfavorable light” business works and how it shines so harshly on some and not at all to others…

    The last time you attempted to pull Mr. O’Malley’s cajones out of the fire on this very topic things didn’t turn out so well for you. Yet you’re back again for another bite of the apple.

    Tis a shame you didn’t grow smart before you grew old.

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  2. Ivan says: 102

    @MataHarley:

    Generally I don’t waste my valuable time with bottom feeder sniveling scum,

    Wow, I guess you forget how you ripped into Dr.John, who correctly nailed it that Zimmerman was innocent, in that initial thread.

    Lowering yourself to ad hominen attacks against me, or anyone else for that matter, only shows how increasingly shrill and desperate you have become.

    Rule #1 of digging yourself into a hole is stop digging.

    You’re way in over your head.

    Take care and have a great weekend-and chill out, life’s too short!

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  3. Aye says: 103
    Mata: Generally I don’t waste my valuable time with bottom feeder sniveling scum…

    Ivan: Wow, I guess you forget how you ripped into Dr.John…

    So… now Ivan is saying that Dr J is “bottom feeder sniveling scum” while yammering about ad hominen attacks.

    Of course, this is the same waste of flesh who has referred to me as a “race traitor” on multiple occasions.

    Ah, the sweet smell of toasted irony on a Friday afternoon.

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  4. retire05 says: 104

    @Aye:

    While I was wrong that Sybrina Fulton had “quit” her job, she has left it, indefinately and is simply receiving a paycheck due to the generosity of other Miami-Dade employees. And although you tried to hang the “unfavorable light” quote around my neck, I never said that. But I have yet read you present any defense of Sybrina Fulton attaching herself to such bottom feeders as Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Benjamin Crump and Raul Julison, along with a whole passel of other nefarious characters. Shall we compare THOSE actions to the actions of Mark Klaas and John Walsh?

    “Hall (another pity party leech) said the details have not been finalized (for the employment of Sybrian Fulton in the money generating “foundation) would presumably not begin getting a salary or per diemby the foundation until after her paid county leave runs out. He said he doesn’t know if she plans to leave her county job.”

    http://www.kansascity.com

    You are quick to insist that others need to answer YOUR questions, but your M.O. continues to be one where you deliberatly avoid questions posed to you by others. Double standards seem to be your forte.

    Also, I don’t “try” to pull anyone out of the fire. I assume those who post here are adults, and can well take someone like you on themselves, probably with one hand tied behind their back.

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  5. Aye says: 105

    @retire05:

    And although you tried to hang the “unfavorable light” quote around my neck, I never said that.

    Never said you did. In fact, I was perfectly clear on who made that original statement.

    You, like your campfire buddy Mr. O’Malley, are diligently avoiding the topic.

    Twice now, you’ve demonstrated your eagerness to stick your nose into a conversation between O’Malley and I on this very topic. That must mean that you have something really important to contribute.

    You chose to weigh in on the queries that I posed to Mr. O’Malley so, go ahead, answer the questions. You wanted to be in the conversation, have at it:

    If Ms. Fulton did indeed quit her job (and there’s no evidence that she did) how, precisely, does that cast “an unfavorable light” on her?

    How does that work exactly? I am genuinely interested in knowing.

    Have we suddenly time-traveled place in American history where an African-American female doesn’t have the right to decide when or if she will continue working without approval from the overseer?

    When John Walsh quit his job as a hotel executive and Marc Klaas quit his job as a rental car agency franchise holder were they, too, cast in “an unfavorable light”?

    Or, is that whole “unfavorable light” thing reserved exclusively for African-American females who (supposedly) quit their jobs after their teenage sons are shot to death?

    I’m genuinely curious about how it works in the minds of those who wish to sneer and point fingers.

    And additional questions posed directly to you previously (but subsequently ignored):

    In the interest of fairness and not wanting to engage in a rush to judgement, I will ask you to kindly go ahead and explain how the African-American female is subject to one standard while the two white guys get a pass for the same exact behavior.

    I’m genuinely interested in how this whole “unfavorable light” business works and how it shines so harshly on some and not at all to others…

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  6. retire05 says: 106

    @Aye:

    Do you think by avoiding the questions I posed to you about the comparisons between Sybrina Fulton and John Walsh/Mark Klaas that you are being too cute by half?

    I have said, repeatedly, that the race of the people being discussed has NOTHING to do with the criticism of what they are doing or have done. You are the one, NOT ME, trying to make an issue of their skin colors. Perhaps you are vying for a job with the Rainbow Push or Al Sharpton’s tax evading “charity.”

    And how cute that you refer to someone else as my “campfire buddy” when you and Mata were tag teaming others for days.

    Now, until you are ready to address the questions put to you, we know that you are doing nothing but the Obfuscation Two Step.

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  7. Aye says: 107

    And there you have it ladies and gentlemen.

    When the questions get too prickly for retire to address she goes into full blown “quick…change the subject” defensive mode.

    Tell ya what I’ll do for ya retire… as soon as you fully, thoroughly, and completely address the questions that I have been posing to you over and over and over again for what…two weeks or more?… I’ll entertain the idea of answering the queries you have posed.

    You were so eager to stick your nose in before. I can’t imagine why you’re being so hesitant now.

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  8. retire05 says: 108

    @Aye:

    What is it about “Race Has Nothing To Do With Comparisons Between Sybrina Fulton and John Walsh/Mark Klaas” that you cannot seem to comprehend?

    What does have to do with the comparisons are the actions of the named people after their loss. Only one has tied herself to the race baiters and poverty pimp hustlers. As to “sticking my nose” into this thread, sorry if I was mistaken in thinking this was an open forum website. Perhaps you should post your ROE for others to abide by.

    And what a joke that you accuse someone else of not answering questions. Add hypocrite to your resume.

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  9. Smorgasbord
    you mentioned that you couldn’t find your 37,
    well you know that black line up and there is one also down, where you can barely see older comment on your left just click on it and you come back to the category of your 37, if not click the older comment than it give you again a set of 50 comment previous, until you get in the set of where your 37 is
    hope I explained it well and to go ahead to where you want to answer click on the same black bar but
    on your right side, it says newer comment, then go down at the end to give your answer,
    it all go by set of 50s but this one is 108 dunno why now.
    it might become separate eventualy if it go to far just guessing
    bye

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  10. Smorgasbord
    okay I know, the 108 is the total of all the comments, it will go to 150 and fall back into ; the older comments black bar, and so on and so on
    bye

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  11. Aye says: 111

    @retire05:

    What is it about “Race Has Nothing To Do With Comparisons Between Sybrina Fulton and John Walsh/Mark Klaas” that you cannot seem to comprehend?

    Strangely, that doesn’t answer any of the questions that have been posed to you for the last two weeks or more. It’s non-responsive and irrelevant to the topic at hand.

    As to “sticking my nose” into this thread, sorry if I was mistaken in thinking this was an open forum website. Perhaps you should post your ROE for others to abide by.

    Mr. O’Malley laid out his thoughts. I queried him. You dashed over in an apparent expression of your interest in answering the questions.

    Now, when your hide is pinned to the barn wall and your recalcitrance is exposed to everyone you suddenly don’t like the fact that you’re being expected to stand and deliver.

    This is, indeed, an open forum website. You’re free to engage, or not, in whatever conversation you choose. However, if you choose to engage in one of my conversations I will indeed expect you to participate without going through a song and dance, shuck and jive, tooth-pulling routine.

    So, the questions are right there waiting. Are you going to answer them? Or are you going to continue sitting there mumbling senselessly to yourself?

    Here’s a little bonus for you. I am going to be out of town (and off line) until Wednesday, so you have plenty of time to work on this little project. There’s no need to rush through it. There’s no need to be less than completely focused and thorough. Let’s see how you do this time.

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  12. Hard Right says: 112

    @Aye:

    Yet we are supposed to believe that those injuries justified shooting Martin to death?

    If an attacker is doing what was claimed like in this case, yes it certainly does. That is the rub, however. Is it what really happened?
    To be clear I am not proclaiming either party guilty or innocent. I am content to let it work itself out in the courts.

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  13. Ivan says: 113

    @Aye:

    Tis a shame you didn’t grow smart before you grew old.

    I’m starting to notice a pattern here; disagree with Aye and you get insulted.

    Hmmmm…..

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  14. Ivan says: 114

    @Hard Right:

    To be clear I am not proclaiming either party guilty or innocent. I am content to let it work itself out in the courts.

    Negative. Malicious prosecution is at work here. The preponderance of evidence is on Zimmerman’s side.

    The police, the witnesses, the forensics…they all support Zimmerman. There isn’t one shred of evidence to support a murder indictment.

    The DA needs to drop the case, and consider committing seppuku to redeem her tainted honor (I know, I can dream, can’t I?).

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  15. Ivan says: 115

    @Aye:

    There’s no need to rush through it. There’s no need to be less than completely focused and thorough. Let’s see how you do this time.

    The level of condescension you display is breathtaking. I take my hat off to you. You’ve out done yourself.

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  16. retire05 says: 116

    @Aye:

    You really do love those strawman arguments, don’t you, Aye?

    You see, the color of the skin of Walsh, Klaas and Fulton have nothing to do with their actions after the death of their children. It is YOU who is trying to insinuate that because Fulton is black that is the only reason that some of us find her subsequent actions distasteful. If, and see if you can allow this to penetrate your thick skull, John Walsh or Mark Klaas had the same disgraceful associations with bottom feeders like Sybrina Fulton has, I would be just as critical of them as I am of her.

    But you, like Benjamin Crump, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, want to inject race into the debate when, in actuality, it has no place in it.

    And anyone who dodges questions like you do, does not have the ability to nail anything to the barn wall and the only one “shucking and jiving” is you with your constant refusal to answer questions posed to you.

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  17. retire05
    check with ACTIVE DISCUSSIONS, THERE IS 3 MORE NEW POSTS ON THE SUBJECT, AND JUST BEGINING
    BYE

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  18. Smorgasbord says: 118

    @ilovebeeswarzone: #109
    I never noticed the bar before. I figured the problem was the site being updated like it has been before and causing minor problems. I also didn’t know that the comments are dated and timed until someone mentioned the time it was when I posted a comment.

    The comment wasn’t meant for you. I see I didn’t put the comment number in like I always try to do. I don’t remember who I was SUPPOSED to be replying to, and I didn’t want to go through the posts to find out. I love the definition of the new word.

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  19. Smorgasbord
    hi,
    it must have been on one of your lazy day, when we don’t feel to do any effort on nothing,
    I have those too at time, and the almost TOTALY BLACK MOON, HELP ON THINGS TO HAPPEN,
    NOT ALWAYS GOOD,
    BYE

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  20. Brian
    Mike O’Malley
    there is 3 more POST ON THIS STORY, CHECK IT UP,
    THEY ARE; POINT THAT CONFRONTATION BETWEEN ZIMMERMAN AND ……..
    ANOTHER ONE IS; AND THE CRUCIAL TRAYVON MARTIN EVIDENCE…….
    HERE ONE MORE IS; NY TIMES DETAIL MISSTEPS IN TRAYVON MARTIN SHOOTING……

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  21. Brian says: 121

    No one should begrudge a grieving parent their expressions of loss. When that parent hires a law firm that immediately engages a PR firm that specializes in packaging minorities as victimized and marginal groups, that parent loses their status as one worthy of sympathy. I do not recall either Walsh or Klaas being connected to any firm or persons or effort that was directed at anything but the resolution of their cases. Team Skittles has been all about the payout, which if SYG prevails will be non existent. Race makes no difference until it becomes the centerpiece of a Ben Crump/Julison Comm. /MSM campaign to poison public opinion and the jury pool against Zimmerman. Ms. Fulton is and should be seen as a victim of a culture that allows violent physical attack as an accepted method of conflict resolution.

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  22. Ivan says: 122

    @retire05:

    And anyone who dodges questions like you do, does not have the ability to nail anything to the barn wall and the only one “shucking and jiving” is you with your constant refusal to answer questions posed to you.

    Why you even bother engaging in what appears to be rational discourse with Aye or Mata is beyond me. Both are very adept practitioners of convoluted argumentation, obfuscation (they excelled in doing that with the Martin Vs. Zimmerman discussion as you’ve seen) and misdirection.

    This case, Martin vs. Zimmerman is open-and-shut, case-closed.

    But not with the tag-team of Mata/Aye. They’ll spin and misdirect all day long to cover-up their complicity in their part of the smear-campaign against Zimmerman.

    Take care, Retire, have a good Sunday.

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  23. Ivan says: 123

    @Aye:

    It’s funny to hear people talk about how horrific Zimmerman’s injuries were, and pontificate endlessly about how those injuries are supposedly visible in surveillance video from the police station. [Snicker]

    Almost as funny to read the pablum you post on FA on a near daily basis.

    Everyone knows you were and still are part of the ZImmerman lynch-mob. Guys like you and your selling out to the Jessie Jacksons and Al Sharptons are what’s wrong with the Republican Party.

    Tell me, Aye, how much you getting for Tiswin and Winchesters these days?

    If I’d have to guess, I’d say about 30 pieces of silver.

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  24. Smorgasbord says: 124

    @ilovebeeswarzone: #119
    It was probably when I had been up longer than I should have been, because I wanted to go through all of my emails before going to bed.

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  25. Smorgasbord
    hi,
    there is no excuse to have conduct yourself like make me believe your comment
    following mine,
    was offensive
    good that I know you well enough to figure it up,
    bye just kidding
    by the way, did you try the black bar to go back on the previous comments and come back on the newer comment until you hit the most recent group?

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  26. Mike O'Malley says: 126

    @Ivan:

    Why you even bother engaging in what appears to be rational discourse with Aye or Mata is beyond me. Both are very adept practitioners of convoluted argumentation, obfuscation (they excelled in doing that with the Martin Vs. Zimmerman discussion as you’ve seen) and misdirection.

    Sometimes little practical good can come from engaging toxic individuals. It is often better to use judgment and discretion than to engage in a bitter flame-war.

    But not with the tag-team of Mata/Aye. They’ll spin and misdirect all day long to cover-up their complicity in their part of the smear-campaign against Zimmerman.

    What I have found most troubling are those instances of extreme sexualized invective which have been used to demean and humiliate advocates for George Zimmerman, a man who seems to be innocent. That extreme sexualized invective which have been used to demean and humiliate dissenting persons seems indicative to me of lynch mob scapegoating behavior.

    If I’d have to guess, I’d say about 30 pieces of silver.

    Perhaps more apropos would be the cry, “Give us Barabbas”.

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  27. Ivan says: 127

    @Mike O’Malley:

    What I have found most troubling are those instances of extreme sexualized invective which have been used to demean and humiliate advocates for George Zimmerman, a man who seems to be innocent. That extreme sexualized invective which have been used to demean and humiliate dissenting persons seems indicative to me of lynch mob scapegoating behavior.

    That is standard operating procedure for Mata/Aye. They routinely and regularly berate those who disagree with them.

    I tried being civil to them and all I ever get is nasty kicks to the head from them.

    Why Curt doesn’t take them to the woodshed for their conduct is puzzling to me.

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