Trayvon’s girfriend exonerates Zimmerman [Reader Post]

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And the lynching continues.

First, the claims about the video tape.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cqp5bHG5lo[/youtube]

What? No bruising visible on the brown man one hour or so after the injury?

Trayvon Martin Video Shows No Blood or Bruises on George Zimmerman

Or does it? Here are my screen caps

Zimmerman does indeed exhibit a head wound

One of the officers examines the wound to see if it is still bleeding

Here’s the funniest image. The police put a Caucasian clown nose on Zimmerman. Or maybe it was a dressing.

There is something on Zimmerman’s nose

The police report says that Zimmerman was bleeding from the nose and the back of the head. It says his back was wet and covered with grass. There is nothing about “grass stains.”

We can’t see from this video if there is any remaining blood on Zimmerman’s red and black fleece or his dark grey shirt.

Anyone else notice that the “white Hispanic” George Zimmerman is a lot browner than at first believed?

Now consider these headline from Drudge:

HOODIE ON THE HILL…

VIDEO: Dem Rep Kicked Off House Floor…

Ex-Black Panther…

Another Says Trayvon ‘Hunted Down Like Dog’…

Another: ‘Executed For WWB In A GC’…

Maxine Waters Calls Shooting ‘Hate Crime’…

Now just for laughs I’ll throw this one as well

OBAMA CAMPAIGN: Republicans ‘politicizing’ Trayvon Martin death…

“Hunted down” “Executed”

I don’t think so, and Martin’s girlfriend largely exonerates Zimmerman. She told a reporter this:

“Trayvon said what are you following me for?”

“Then the man said ‘what you doing around here?'”

What would you expect a Neighborhood Watch person to ask?

“What are you doing around here?” It’s exactly what you’d expect him to ask.

Then she asserts that Trayvon is pushed, but there is no evidence to prove that, and it is highly unlikely Zimmerman pushed Martin.

The thing is, they had a conversation. Zimmerman did ask Martin why he was there. Ask yourself- if you ask someone why they’re following you and that person asks you what you’re doing around here, how would you respond? I might be tempted to ask “What’s it to you?” and I would expect Zimmerman to respond that he was part of the Neighborhood Watch. Then I would expect Martin to say that he was headed to his girlfriend’s house. Then I might ask “Where does she live?” and he could have told him in which building she lived. And that should have ended it.

But it didn’t go that way.

Someone did push someone else. But who? Let’s look at this reasonably. If Zimmerman was “hunting down” Martin he would simply have shot him instead of engaging him in a conversation. If he meant to “execute” him he could easily have done just that. If you’re “hunting” someone, your gun is drawn. Do you agree to meet with the cops and then go hunting for Martin? Is it common to have a conversation with your prey before you shoot? Are you kidding me?

They had a conversation instead.

What Martin’s girlfriend didn’t say is also extremely important. Mega-important.

She doesn’t mention a gun. Martin saw no gun. That means Zimmerman had not drawn the weapon when he met with Martin. The weapon was fired once but the magazine was full. Something interfered with the cycling, like perhaps a struggle. It’s reported that Zimmerman has claimed that Martin tried to take Zimmerman’s gun.

Given the police report indicating that Zimmerman had grass on his back it’s more the likely Zimmerman was the one who got pushed, and then jumped and pounded by Martin. The eyewitnesses corroborate Martin being on top of Zimmerman, beating him. I think shooting Martin was absolutely the last thing Zimmerman wanted to do.

We’ve learned nothing from the Duke Lacrosse case. Lynch on.

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Try to remember your attitudes when you were seventeen. Most would erroneously remember having the world by the tail. Martin had turned 17 a few days before he was killed. Yes, most 17 year-olds get into trouble at one time or other, whether in school or in their neighborhoods. In most states teens cannot drive until the are 16. They cannot vote until they are 18. They cannot enter bars/cafes. They are not admitted to legal gambling facilities, etc. There are reasons teens are restricted from certain activities. Most generally it is because they are not yet thinking and reasoning adults.

We can site Martin’s gold teeth, his suspension from school, wearing a hoodie, marajuana baggie residue, etc., but it doesn’t mean he was a bad human being. He was also a product of a broken unity of his parents. Had he lived, he may have looked back at his teen years and laughed, just as we occasionally do. He may have dispersed with his removable gold teeth, applied himself in school, moved on to college, traded his hoodie for a business suit and become self supporting. We will never know what type of adult Martin would have become because a a man with a 9mm gun denied him that passage.

I’d like to know, why we HAVEN’T seen all that yet!!! I want to see, the location of the body, relating to the location of the VEHICLE…. then, we’d be able to tell, if he was REALLY attacked there, or not!! I WANT to see the FORENSICS…. I drew my conclusions, from the stories told, the WITNESS report who saw the altercation.. the 911 recording… the fact he DID have a cut on the back of the head etc…
I’m VERY curious, to see just how close I came to “getting in right”…. or, if i indeed, DID BLOW IT!! LOL!!

By the way, Aye.. it would seem, a LOT MORE folks, “came to pre-conceived” conclusions first…see Al Sharpton, the Black Panthers, Spike Lee etc, for MORE DETAILS….at least I took the time, for some FACTS to trickle out… before connecting dots. Also, the MSM using all the “little angel” photo’s and ignoring his SECOND tweet account that shows MORE of Trayvon’s “thought processes”…and the photo on it, of him, in hoodie, flipping off, paints a different photo, then the one the MSM has tried to “CREATE”….. but that’s just MY PERSONAL observation…

@Hankster58:

I want to see, the location of the body, relating to the location of the VEHICLE…. then, we’d be able to tell, if he was REALLY attacked there, or not!!

The location of the body in relation to the location of Zimmerman’s vehicle was posted here already.

Here it is again in case you missed it earlier:

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@Hankster58: #2
This is why I am still up in the bleachers watching the game. After the game is over I can say, “That’s what I thought happened, and be right.”

Hankster: I agree with wanting to see where Martin’s body was found in relation to the sidewalk/street. I’ve read it was between or in back of one of the dwellings. Maybe a good investigative reporter can walk the trek, video the area and pan the surroundings from where Trayvon’s body layed.

There are more questions than answers right now which gives rise to over-speculation on the part of the John Does out there… us included. There are also many inconsistencies in this case which also leads to speculations.
I see a vague darkening high in the crown of Zimmerman’s head. It does not match up with a victim’s head being forcefully banged on the concrete. One would expect an abrasion to be found on the back of the head in the area between the victim’s ears, not high in the crown area.

Additionally, if Zimmerman was being beaten by the teen on the ground with the teen straddling him, his jacket would have flung open, exposing Zimmerman’s tee-shirt. Wouldn’t there be blood on his tee-shirt rather than his jacket, especially when he stood up with blood dripping from his nose? Zimmerman’s tee-shirt appears to be pristine. And I do not see puffiness around his nose or the beginnings of expected bruising under his eyes.

Also, if paramedics treated an abrasion on Zimmerman’s head at the scene, why is there no gauze patch? My brother is a paramedic and he claims dressing a wound is a matter of liability, where the victim cannot come back and sue claiming negligence against the city after falling victim to infection from an exposed wound.

I’ve also read that the teen was face down in the grass with his hands bundled against his rib cage when found by the police. There’s also questions about the shot that killed the teen. There was NO exit wound, just a hole in the chest. Seems to me if he was shot point blank there would have been an exit wound in his back. No exit wound suggests that the teen was shot in the chest from a distance.

See what I mean by more questions than answers?

Thanks! No, i did not see it.. haven’t been in here much as of late. Interesting…. looks to be virtually, where he would have been, had he STOPPED following, when the cops said he didn’t need to do so… so again.. if Trayvon was beating feet AWAY…. how did he come to be, STILL THERE? Only a single lot away from Zimmerman’s car?? Inquiring minds wanna know…. Hope the Cops wrap this up soon…

@c. lindy: #5

There was NO exit wound, just a hole in the chest. Seems to me if he was shot point blank there would have been an exit wound in his back. No exit wound suggests that the teen was shot in the chest from a distance.

It depends on the type and size of the slug, the kind and amount of powder in the cartridge, if any hard object on the clothing was hit, and if any bones were hit. For example, a hollow point is made to shatter when entering the body to do the most damage. They very seldom will have an exit wound. I haven’t read what kind of bullet was used, but I am not reading much in the issue because of the conflicting stories.

I found out I would make a lousy witness at an accident or crime scene. I understand why the police don’t put a whole lot of trust in such testimony. The mind has a habit of filling in any blank spots, and some people like to fill those blank spots in with all kinds of stuff, especially if they think it will get them on the news.

@c. lindy:

Martin’s body was found between the sidewalk and the tree in the right foreground of this picture:

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Zimmerman’s vehicle was parked in the vicinity of the red car in this picture:

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In the background of the second photograph you can see the vicinity of where the body was found.

This aerial shot (same as posted above) will give you an idea of the distance between the two:

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@Hankster58: This has been my contention for a long time.

@ Dr. John.. I hear you, looking LOGICALLY, if the kid was leaving, WHY was he STILL THERE??

@ lindy…you said” There was NO exit wound, just a hole in the chest. Seems to me if he was shot point blank there would have been an exit wound in his back. No exit wound suggests that the teen was shot in the chest from a distance.”
You left OUT a fact.. the gun, was found JAMMED, with only one round expended, and still STUCK on the gun. This would “tend” to indicate, TWO PEOPLE were wrestling with the gun, at the time it discharged…preventing the slider from functioning… a GSR test of Trayvon will confirm this if true… so a “distance” shot would be bunk… if this is also true….

@Aye:
A followup question.
Where was the 7-Eleven and where was Martin’s dad’s girlfriend’s apartment?
(This has probably been addressed by now, but I’ve missed it.)

@Hankster58: The official police report plainly states that Zimmerman was bleeding from the nose and the back of the head.

There could easily not be an exit wound with a smaller 9 mm and it would also depend on the kind of round, the trajectory and anatomic features.

Thanks everyone for your info.

Smorgasbord: Thanks. All I’ve read is that Z’s gun is a 9 mm… same gun the military uses. Lugar?

Another question: Can a 9 mm jam due to attempts of rapid firing?

I found another police video of the officers bringing Z into the police garage. It is from the opposite angle. The video clearly shows Z back up to the garage wall and appear to rub the back of his jacket against the wall. I’m assuming the wall is foundational concrete. Been through so many sites today, sorry, I can’t remember where I saw the video to provide a link.

Golly, this gets deeper and deeper!

@c. lindy: #13
You reminded me of a Jeff Foxworthy joke. He said that if you are in a long line at a bank and don’t want to wait, turn to the person behind you and ask them if they know how to unjam a pistol.

Any gun can jam at any time for any reason, but it rarely happens.

@ lindy#13…. same ROUND the Military uses, NOT the same GUN. If you contend, he shot Trayvon from a distance….and the gun jammed, he simply could cant the gun, rack the slide, and fire again…. he apparently did not… again GSR testing/stippling check of Trayvon…. will clear this question up.

9mm Luger, 9mm parabellum, 9mm all denote the same round… tho, there ARE many other rounds in 9mm!! Confused yet?? LOL!!

@ NanG #11…. VERY GOOD QUESTION!! like to see the Total map, of all three points!! The starting point, his stated destination, and his actual PATH OF TRAVEL….

c. lindy
hi, you got something there with no exit bullet, what if they struggle for the gun, okay, WE ALREADY KNOW THAT HAPPENNED, and TRAYVON had
at one time his hand on the gun half in the pocket, and ZIMMERMAN SUCCEED TO TAKE HOLD ON IT, OKAY,
AND TRAYVON, AT THAT POINT get scare and get up GOT UP WHILE ZIMMERMAN AT THE SAME TIME
able to pull the trigger and SHOOT,
THERE MIGHT BE WHY THERE IS NO EXIT WHICH Hankster mention should have been if it was; we where lead to believe IT WAS CLOSE,, but now I have another problem from what I just said because;
ZIMMERMAN IS LAYING DOWN AND THE BULLET WAS IN TRAYVON CHEST, so he could not have been standing up, trying to get away, which the bullet would end up in his back,
so he was down AND DEAD when the guy calling 911 checked after the call, so he was shot before he wanted to get up but still on top but separate from a certain distance,
maybe just as he thought to get away as he realize ZIMMERMAN HAD TAKEN CONTROL OF THE GUN AND WAS ABLE TO PUSH ON THE TRIGGER, THEN THE BULLET WOULD NOT EXIT
THIS COULD HAVE TAKEN TIME WITH ONLY INSTANT AFTER EACH MOVES FROM BOTH,
IF WE TRY TO VISUALIZE THE ACTION, ???????
TO REVISE, THE 2 STRUGGLE FOR THE GUN close enough to touch each other, both hands on the gun, I should say both fingers maybe not all fingers, ZI TAKE HOLD AND HE CANNOT SHOOT BECAUSE TRAY IS COVERING HIM TO CLOSE STILL BOTH ON THE GROUND, AND AT THAT MOMENT TRAY WANT TO GET OUT SCARE TO REALISE ZIM HAS THE HOLD TOTALY ON GUN, HE SEE THE FINGER SEARCHING FOR THE TRIGGER, TRAY DISTANCE HIS BODY GIVING A SPACE TO ZIMM FOR HOLDING THE GUN IN THE POSITION,
AND AS TRAYTON IS STIL DOWN THE BULLET HIT
HIM SHOT FROM THAT DISTANCE NEEDED FOR THE BULLET TO NOT EXIT,
TAYVON GET SHOT BEFORE HE LIFT HIS BODY ON THE STANDING UP POSITION TO RUN, and the bullet had not exit.

editing; you mentioned can the gun jam if doing too fast on the trigger?
I say if desperatly trying to push the trigger, might be

@drjohn: just amazing, no?

@Nan G:

Nan, here is an aerial view with the neighborhood and 7-ELEVEN marked so that you can see the locations of both:

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Here is an aerial view of the neighborhood marked with the scene of the shooting as well as the location of Brandy Green’s home:

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uh huh…. if you watched the old video, you can see an officer EXAMINING the “wound the libs say wasn’t there”! LOL!! This just BACKS that up! Note, at the END of the report, the statement, that WASHINGTON, now wants to “investigate” the Prosecutor, who held off on arresting/charging Zimmerman…. seems the Obama Administration, STILL wants “Blood”!!
Also note, that A$$HOLE Sharpton.. STILL trying to stir the pot down there… when is someone going to nail HIM, for fraud, inciting racial fighting or the like???

@drjohn:

It’s more than a tad bit amusing to watch you breathlessly glom onto whatever ABC News has to say especially considering that they’ve already been exposed as one of the networks who has released misleading information regarding this case.

ABC selectively edited and aired the 911 call audiotape just as NBC did.

ABC added their gigantic chyron to the original police station video in order to cover up what everyone wanted to see: Zimmerman’s head and face.

Odd that you would choose to take their word for anything.

@ AYE.. thanks for the map. Now, THIS does show, Trayvon WAS taking, the most direct route!!

@ Aye…. perhaps, ABC sees the BS jig is now up…. and is COVERING THEIR SIX????

@Aye: I think the truth is becoming harder and harder to ignore and now it’s time to hop on the bandwagon. They are now in agreement with me. It’s not me, Aye. They’ve changed.

Breathlessly glom onto whatever they say? In the most recent post I linked to their having doctored the video. Aren’t your words a little unfair?

@Aye: Aye, you have a link for the location of Brandy Green’s home?

@Aye: um, so them admitting they were in error is not to be believed?

@drjohn:

Yep. Two in fact.

Smorgasbord
on your 15, that is so funny, I can see myself doing it, and
clear the line up in seconds,
bye

@drjohn:

I poked around the web and found this map/chart.
It indicates Zimmerman’s story was true.
Trayvon seemed to have doubled back (or he might have been turned around in a strange place) to confront him.
Take a look:
http://bcclist.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-path.jpg?w=510&h=342

@Nan G: I’ll have one for you as soon as Curt will post it. I have sitting on a timeline for days to be sure of things. I think that one is a little off, but that’s just my opinion.

@ilovebeeswarzone: #29

I can see myself doing it, and clear the line up in second

You will be going from a bank line to a police lineup.

Smorgasbord
there you go again, made me laugh so much.
I have to keep my composer and discipline to not laugh so much. at a funny joke,
it always put me in trouble at where ever I worked, unable to retain my laugh
,even if I got hell for it from a poker face leader
it was intensified, and I always got every one laughing to support me,
now I laugh in here only.
bye

@Hankster 58 , Lindy

Hankster thank you for your clarity on the weapon/ammo issue. Lindy there is a tremendous difference in performance between Mil. Spec FMJ ball and commercial hollow-point/personal defense ammo. Ball is a poor choice for a defensive round because it over-penetrates and leaves a narrow wound channel. An efficiently designed hollow-point is meant purposefully to do the opposite. They are designed to open up to a diameter greater than their caliber and transfer their total kinetic energy into the target. That is why they are used for law enforcement/ personal defense. There does not necessarily have to be an exit wound. Without knowing the forensics/autopsy results it is fruitless to infer any specifics of wound pathology or terminal performance of the bullet. The mechanical issues of small pistols and their jamming are fairly clear. Blow-back / recoil operated pistols have to balance the mass of the slide against the design criteria for minimum weight. That balance is achieved in some designs and less so in others. Kel-Tec produces a pistol on par with Ruger’s LCP but less so than SIG or Walther compacts with higher corresponding retails. It should be noted that GZ’s pistol jam was not a stove pipe or feed ramp jam but the result of the lightweight slide being held in place by external means. Both of the other jams have multiple causes ejector,extractor,magazine feed lip issues, out of spec ammo(reloads) timing( recoil spring) and loose or soft grip by the shooter that does not give the pistol a force to recoil against ,lessening the recoil pulse.
Those factors are not apparent here, I only gave them to illustrate the factors one normally sees when semi auto and especially compact DA/SA pistols jam. As to the exit wound I am waiting like everyone for the forensics to answer so much that is open to question now. Cases are built and proven on their own unique timelines. That is not good enough for those who would use this one for their own agenda. I feel for the Martin family, right up to the point they sold out their son to the left and the race-pimps.

Brian
super
bye

@drjohn:

I have the same graphic you have as well as more specific info, including the actual address, but I won’t be disclosing that.

Mr. Martin, and his fiancee, have the right to not have their address plastered all around the Interwebz.

Just take my word when I say that the graphic is really close, but not exact. Allow Mr. Martin and Ms. Green the luxury of that imprecision. A basic level of human decency would seem to demand it.

@Aye: That was not my intent. I wanted to be certain that I placed an icon properly. Thanks

@Aye:

I totally agree that there is no reason to expose Trayvon’s dad’s girlfriend’s family to anything.
My question is, did Trayvon double back or was he killed while directly on his way back to her house after buying the Skittles and Tea?

@Nan G: I believe he hid, and then confronted Zimmerman, and the next post will demonstrate why. Martin had two minutes to go 150 feet and reach the safety of the home and he didn’t do it. Zimmerman had no idea where Martin was going.

CNN (of all places!) just ran a segment about how a color corrector and photo expert could draw out many details from George Zimmerman’s head as he got out of the patrol car and headed into the station.
The result was astonishing.
I was surprised he was still standing and walking steadily!
There was a large messed up spot on his head!
It was easily 2″ across and from top to bottom as well.
Hopefully soon it will be posted on the web.

@Nan G: The rats are jumping off the Faketanic.

Nan G
I would have like to see SHARPTON FACE WHEN HE WILL SEE THAT IMAGE,
HE WAS THE FIRST ONE TO INCITE AND CONDEMNED
ZIMMERMAN WHEN THE HARD TO SEE WOUNDS VIDEO WITH THE POLICE.
BYE

drjohn
hi
the rats are scare of the consequence of their words,
bye

@ilovebeeswarzone: Watch this story disappear from the headlines, Bees.

drjohn
he might be reprimand for it too,
bye

@ilovebeeswarzone: We’ll see, Bees. A lot of ignorant people are going to get very angry.

@drjohn: a lot of people dont actually pay attention to the facts
what i find interesting is one of the race baiting pimps is congressman Hank Johnson
the SAME Hank Johnson that was worried about having too many troops on Guam and causing it to “capsize”

@DiveCon: Sometimes you simply have to laugh at the stupidity. They’re next on my list.

DiveCon
we are not too many here, I wonder who click on the dislike here, we will fix that.
bye