It’s ironic how events pry open the door to the truth.
A few days ago Barack Obama said it was a “local matter.”
” Our thoughts and prayers go out to Trayvon Martin’s family, but obviously we’re not going to wade into a local law enforcement matter,” Carney said. “I would refer you to the Justice Department and to local law enforcement at this point.”
Sensing the media tsunami building, Barack Obama decided to hang ten:
“If I had a son he would have looked like Treyvon,” Obama said shortly, addressing the victim’s parents. “I think they are right to expect that all of us as Americans are going to take this with the seriousness that this deserves and that we’re going to get to the bottom of exactly what happened.”
Earlier this month a 13 year old white boy was attacked and set on fire by several black youths.
KANSAS CITY, Mo. — A 13-year-old Kansas City boy is back home after two teenagers poured gasoline on him and lit him on fire.
It happened Tuesday at the teen’s home on Quincy Avenue, just down the street from Kansas City’s East High School. The boy lives less than two blocks away from the school and was walking home when the attack happened.
Melissa Coon said her son turned from the school’s stadium onto Quincy Avenue and noticed two teenagers following him. She said the teens followed her son home and attacked him outside his front door.
“And they rushed him on the porch as he tried to get the door open,” she said. “(One of them) poured the gasoline, then flicked the Bic, and said, ‘This is what you deserve. You get what you deserve, white boy’.”
Barack Obama had nothing to say about that attack.
What happened to Trayvon Martin is a terrible thing and exactly what happened needs to be investigated and justice must follow. But one has to presume that the white boy in Kansas City did not look enough like Barack Obama for the President to weigh in on that atrocity. Or do certain kinds of crimes matter more to Obama than do others? A pattern is emerging. When Henry Gates was arrested Obama declared that the white cop “acted stupidly” without the benefit of any facts. Obama’s Attorney General refers to “my people” instead of “us.” A certain Black Panther voter intimidation conviction is mysteriously dropped. Obama said this incident needs “soul searching” but the Kansas City attack apparently does not.
Someone can explain it to me. I find this disgraceful.
well I may as well take it, good luck for the 400
I take this one
@retire05:
Funny thing I noticed about your two most recent replies to me.
There’s not one single attempt to refute any of the factual information or factual analysis I’ve put forward. Not one.
You make some lame attempts here and there to try and stitch together something semi-coherent but, ultimately, you end up doing nothing but filling the space with worthless fluff.
Do you really? Well, good. That means I’m accomplishing something. Toughen up buttercup. And, if you don’t like the things I have to say, well, the Interwebz is a great big place. Get your azz out there and find a place you like better.
On what basis did I use the word “stalk”? Was that your question? I used it on the basis of how that word is defined in the dictionary:
And now for the rest of your drivel:
Well, you know, I’m really glad you brought to that up. Seems that Mr. Zimmerman told the Sanford PD that he was getting back into his SUV when Martin approached him.
If the fight occurred where the SUV was parked as Zimmerman claims then why did the 911 caller state that it was happening in the back yard? The body was found to the right of the sidewalk close to the tree:
If the fight occurred where the SUV was parked as Zimmerman claims, then how did he have grass stains on his back? The street is paved. The SUV was parked in the area where the red car is in this photograph:
There’s a hell of a long distance between where the SUV was parked and where the body was found:
Based on the evidence that has been publicized, Zimmerman’s story has already started to get some big holes in it.
Well, you can make whatever claims you like but when your words are right there for everyone to read and analyze it becomes very plain that you and the truth are oft parted.
@Aye, I wouldn’t say you are a liar. An idiot sure, but not a liar.
For one thing you sure as hell don’t know how to read a map. The distance from Zimmerman’s SUV tot he shooting is approximately 100 to 150 ft. The SUV was parked approximately where the furthest tree in front of the red car is located in the picture, or about where the white truck is parked at the intersection directly across from the condo that the shooting occurred directly behind. The distance is equivalent to: the width of the street, the distance from the front sidewalk to the rear commons sidewalk and a few feet from that. Or, from your street view picture to the white truck. Not far at all.
In fact, from the spot where you say, next to the sidewalk close to the tree, you would have been just 3 steps from being in sight of Zimmerman’s SUV as the nearest parking spot from where you stood without parking in the driveway of the condo you were standing outside of. Meaning Zimmerman walked only as far as needed to be able to see between the condos and not really any further.
But then, how could we expect you to see out from under that thick sticky layer of STOOOOPID.
@ Retire05
I would recommend we not waste out time on this idiot. There is no way to reach the willfully ignorant. It is like trying to explain economics to an Obama supporter, or Foreign policy to a Ron Paul supporter, or forensics to a 9-11 truther, or space flight to a fish.
The truth comes out more and more every day. By late Oct there will no doubt be a HBO movie in which they will portray everything to have happened exactly as Aye imagines it did, which will be proof perfect that it is all BS.
I guess Aye chooses the level of zoom that he does because he doesn’t want people to realize, Zimmerman was actually within sight of his SUV and the same distance as one might walk from their front door to their parked car. It is the same distance as I walk from my front door to my truck every morning.
http://www.google.com/mapmaker?ll=28.793117,-81.329751&spn=0.000549,0.001345&t=h&z=20&lyt=large_map&htll=28.793154,-81.32977
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=375109992521916&id=143928478973403
@Aye:
uh, what you put as the link is incorrect
he sauid he was HEADING BACK TO HIS SUV
not getting into it
@TSgt Ciz:
And your source citation for those claims is where exactly? Seems to me if you had one you would have provided it.
Course you could be just talking out your azz again just like your buddy on this thread.
The more intriguing thing I noticed is that you didn’t even attempt to address the gaping holes in Zimerman’s story. Even by your estimation one of those holes is at least 100 to 150 feet wide.
Considering that this latest screed is coming from a guy who couldn’t even figure out that Martin was legitimately present in the neighborhood I’m not surprised. I know that sussing things out is really tough for you.
@Aye, The easiest source to cite is you. Look at your own map where the star is for Zimmerman’s SUV.
So where did you get that map Aye?
I’m done wasting time with you.
@TSgt Ciz:
Dood…. You really are a dumbazz aren’t you?
You claimed in #302 that the SUV was parked where the white truck is in the photograph. That’s the claim you made. Now, show your source for that. Your point. Your onus.
This is just like the math problems that you struggled so hard with in elementary school. You gotta show your work man. You can’t just scribble an answer on the paper and think it’ll fly.
This is twice I’ve asked for source material to support your claim. From this point forward, I will interpret any lack of clarity or specificity, or a failure to respond at all to the question, as evidence that you CANNOT successfully respond.
@TSgt Ciz:
Judge: On what do you base your argument that George Zimmerman was “stalking” Trayvon Martin, Mr. Aye?
DA Aye: On the “defination” of stalking, your Honor, from the Oxford Dictionary.
Judge: Mr. Aye, the state of Florida has clearly defined the act of “stalking” as outlined in Florida Statute S 784-048. This is a court of law. This is NOT a college English class.
@Aye, you question is already asked and answered dipshit.
YOUR MAP.
Blow it up to full scale and do the analisys to confirm. if you want.
Jabeezus you really are three flushes from a clear headed thought.
If stooopid were a comodity, you’d be listed in the exchange.
Oh wait, I got it.
I would comply with your silly azz request except you have not provided a specific law/regulation/or ordenance that permits me to do research for dumbshits.
Neither have you provided a specific law/regulation/or ordenance that permits you to demand such things of me.
You know, since I’ve told you I’m done with you, your continued harrassment actually fits the Fla definition of “stalking”.
Second and last warning.
I’m done with you.
:~)
@retire05:
Another dry, moldy straw man argument, eh? It’s so obvious what you’re attempting when at no point did I apply the legal definition of the word “stalking”. You tried that same diversionary tactic with Mata earlier. Too bad it didn’t work out well for you.
Your feeble attempts to re-frame the argument when you’re clearly losing ground is hysterical. Thanks for, once again, giving us someone to point and laugh at.
Perhaps you and your pal TSgt Ciz should team up, rub your two brain cells together, and try arrive at some answers to the cumbersome questions and the unwieldy facts that don’t fit your narrative.
@Aye:
Aye, we don’t actually know what Zimmerman said. We only know what a reporter said that a police spokesman said. Zimmmerman may actually have said that he was headed back to his car, not that he was at his car.
Just a thought. The actual police report and Zimmerman’s actual story would help.
@Aye:
I see how it works with you. You want to present your “facts” as if you are lead investigator in this case. But then, when held to a legal standard, as any lead investigator would be, you obfuscate. “Gee, I wasn’t being “legal” here, just giving an opinion on the term I used to describe what I think Mr. Zimmerman did.”
Now, I am, along with TSgt Ciz, through with you. No where have I lobbed perjoratives at you, questioned your intellect, or tried to be insulting in any way. That is NOT a courtesy that you have afforded others.
I suggest you stick to your jewelry making and let actual law enforcement and legal representatives handle this case. Otherwise, for you to continue to sit on your ass, and not go to Sanford to give the police, and the Florida Attorney General the benefit of your investigative prowess and experience, is nothing more than running your mouth.
Again, I am through with you. Take the last word. I am sure your ego mandates it.
@TSgt Ciz:
Oh goody. TSgt Ciz decided to come back. Let’s see if he was able to show his work:
Ummmm…. let me get this straight. Now you’re claiming that the red car and the white truck are parked in the same place? Is that right?
Because earlier you claimed that the SUV was parked about where the white truck is…. I clearly stated that the SUV was parked where the red car is.
So, you chose not to show your work, eh? That’s fine. I knew you wouldn’t have the ability to answer. That’s what happens when you pull things out of your azz and run out to the end of your keyboard.
Hmmmm…. That’s odd. The guy who claims to have the stonz to dash out and challenge an ordinary stranger who deigns walk a dog in his neighborhood doesn’t even have the courage to go toe to toe with me on the Interwebz.
Imagine that.
Having failed to reply with specificity or clarity you have shown that you CANNOT successfully respond.
Give me your mailing address and I’ll have Amazon drop ship one of these to you.
Oh, almost forgot… Thanks for playing.
I think this post is pass his debating options, and won’t bring cool clues, more than the one given out from all the bloggers, but instead will prove the fact of the last desperate action of the one why the gun was needed
to end it all since there was no more options left, because once the blood start to spill and the gun holder waited for it to decide to protect his endanger life,
there is nothing more to debate about. it would have been if he had shot him before being beaten,
Hey Curt… You might wanna take a look at this:
Retire05 claims that she never “lobbed perjoratives at [me], questioned [my] intellect, or tried to be insulting in any way.”
Gosh…someone must be impersonating her on the Interwebz cuz here she is right here on this very thread calling me “rainman.”
Wow… That sure sounds like an “insulting” “pejorative” aimed at “question[ing my] intellect”.
That’s gotta be an impersonator. There’s no way she forgot what she wrote that quickly. I mean, it was just yesterday afternoon when she wrote it.
Course it could be that she’s just a liar and, since I’ve already caught her lying twice…now three times… I know what I believe.
On second thought, there’s not really anything for you to check up on after all. The truth is there for everyone to see.
@ retire05 – Did you really mean to call Aye ‘rainman’?
Why would you complement him like that?
@TSgt Ciz:
If we are to consider that the term “rainman” came from the movie based on the life of Kim Peek, who possessed an eidetic memory, yet suffered from social disfunction, I think the term is applicable.
Nothing like a dose of hypocracy coming from someone who calls others “dumbass” yet whines about being equated to someone who had an eidetic memory.
Allow me to repost this.
1) DO NOT put yourself in a situation where you are likely to have to use lethal force.
Taking a shortcut thru a bad area because you have a gun and can defend yourself is just stupid and asking for trouble. You are expected to try and avoid such situations because you are carrying a gun.
2) DO NOT be confrontational or verbally abusive.
While carrying, even tho I was in the right I have held my tongue and walked away from situations because of the potential for escalation. The police and jury won’t care if the person you shot called you all kinds of names before you shot them. They will care if you went right back at them and made things worse.
3) A gun SHOULD NOT be your only line of defense. Other tools (besides your brain) should be pepper spray, Taser, kuboton, etc.
4) All of the above tools should be employed only after you are unable to disengage/escape from the threat and physical violence against you is immediately imminent.
5) A gun does not make you right or invulnerable.
So for those arguing on tangents saying he broke no laws by following or confronting Trayvon, consider the overall picture and how his actions contributed. I can assure that in court, they will be.
BTW, if Zimmerman is a “white” hispanic, does that make obama a “white African-American”?
Bees, sorry about the lack of response. I turned in early Monday and was at a business meeting all day yesterday.
Hard Right’ thank’s for that,
now may I point out that it is quite impossible to take out, if you do have, your tazer, when you have some one on top of you banging your head on the concrete floor under a rage spell, because the other walk ahead toward him while talking to a cell phone, the last action is to save your life, and shoot him;
is not your life important enough to be save, and are you suppose to wait till you die to react to agression,
or is it when your guts tell you the time has come to know that enough is enough,
and LAYVON HAD THAT GUTS FEELING TO PUT THE OTHER IN DANGEROF DEATH BYE HIS ATTACK
WHEN? WELL JUST WHEN HE WAS JUST FOLLOWED FOR A WHILE,
AND WHEN HE DECIDE TO ATTACK THE MAN TURNING HIS BACK ON HIM TOEND THE WALK TOWARD HIM, LAYVON STILL PURSUE HIS GUTS FEELING TO ATTACK HURT AND POSSIBLY KILL EVEN HE WAS NO MORE IN HIS PERCIEVED DANGER, HE HAD NO WAY TO KNOW WHERE AND AT WHAT POINT THE BEATING WOULD KILL, SAME AS ZIMMERMAN DID NOT KNOW
WHEN THE BEATING WOULD KILL HIM AND DAM SURE FELT IT WAS COMING.
For those keeping count, that’s four lies I’ve caught her in just on this thread.
@Aye:
What lie? That I called you “rainman?” I fully admit to calling you “rainman.”
OK, so you don’t like being called “rainman” although have no problems calling others “stoopid” or “dumbazz”.
You are not “stoopid”, neither was Kim Peek. He did have a personality disorder whereas he did not function well with interaction with others. That seems to fit you to a T. So poor widdle Aye resents being called “rainman” but has no objection to himself calling others “stoopid” and “dumbazz.”
Get back to me when you develope some ability for rational thought, Aye. I have tried to let this go, (this pissing contest you seem to want to engage in) and it seems that some negative personality trait possessed by you does not allow that. Soooooo, have at it. Come back with some more vitriol because others do not see things the way you do. Don that fur coat. I am sure it makes you 10 feet tall and all powerful.
RETIRE05
A NAME POP IN MY MIND
WAS BURT LANCASTER IN RAIN -MAN ?
BYE
DrJohn
the tread is fractured, it’s a bit confusing
I’m on the 50 and it’s not the end of the tread
@ilovebeeswarzone: Dustin Hoffman and Tom Cruise
I’m on the last groups of the post having been slit in part of 50 comments each, and I am here on the number 50 of this last group,
but there is more comments which came on my mail,
I dunno where they are, is this the end of it all ? CURT
OR WILL THE OTHER COMMENS BE COUNTED IN ANOTHER GROUP OF 50?
BYE
@ilovebeeswarzone: yeah, changed stuff around so only 50 comments appear at a time, makes the page load faster. gonna tweak it a little so the right number of the comment appears instead of starting over at #1.
CURT
iI JUST FOUND , my comment again by clicking on new comment on the black bar above
on the right. which is the opposit of the old comment situated on the left,
brilliant of you, thank you
it is easyer than TEBOW’S POST WHICH I TOOK THE BIG OODREDS INCLUDING THE LAST GIFT FROM MATA WHICH WAS THE 7OO,
AND i’M ON A ROE HERE WITH THE 200 AND 300, NOT TO BRAGG ME, BUT i’M GOOD AT IT,
DON’T YOU THINK?
BYE
CURT
I see your message now, good
thank you and again brilliant of you.
someone has to see it
and all I have to do is click on the right newer comment
after to come back.
bye
Dive Con
thank you. why do I think there is an older version, with BURT LANCASTER?
MAYBE I MIXED IT.
bye
@ilovebeeswarzone:
No, Rainman was a movie with Dustin Hoffman (playing a fictional character based on the real Kim Peek who was a savant) with Tom Cruse playing Hoffman’s brother.
@retire05:
Sigh… Have you ever been able to read and actually comprehend it? Or did you hit your head at some point and lose the ability?
Nope. Your most recent lie was that I was whining about what you said about me.
Clearly, I wasn’t “whining” as you claim. I was simply pointing out the previous lie you told where you claimed that you hadn’t “lobbed perjoratives at [me], questioned [my] intellect, or tried to be insulting in any way.”
Of course now you say:
Hold on a sec. A few posts back you claimed that you never lobbed pejoratives or tried to be insulting. Huh. Strange how that works, eh?
Ummm…. I didn’t complain about, nor do I resent, what you said. Frankly don’t give a furry rat’s azz about it because I don’t grant you the power to affect me. I simply pointed it out to vividly demonstrate my point about your mendacity.
As you may recall, this isn’t the first time that you and I have gone ’round. It’s also not the first time that I’ve caught you lying about me either. Apparently you didn’t learn anything from the last time.
Why do you continue to make yourself such a stranger to the truth?
Whoa… hold on a sec…..
Let me see if I can stop laughing long enough to get this straight….
You’re claiming that you’ve tried really, really hard “to let this go” but “a negative personality trait possessed by [me]“ doesn’t allow you to do that even though you’ve tried really, really tried.
Errr…. Ummmm… How does that work exactly?
Pretzel logic at its’ finest.
Well, Retire, I’m done with you on this thread. I’ve chewed all the flavor out of you and your buddy from Washington State.
Just remember, as I told you before, I’ll be right here waiting to pin your sorry azz to the wall of the FA saloon for all to see each and every time you decide to be dishonest.
You wanna debate, let’s debate. But don’t you dare lie about me.
retire05
thank you for that info, now do you know which movie BURT LANCASTER MADE SIMILAR TO IT, IT WAS A WESTERN MOVIE OF THE OLD TIME ERA, IT HAD TO DO WITH RAIN, BUT THE NAME MUST HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT,
BYE
@ilovebeeswarzone: LOL
that was “the Rainmaker” and was NOTHING like “Rainman”
@DrJohn:
So what facts came out in the last four days that turned you into the President of the George Zimmerman fanclub? Or is it the President of the “Trayvon had it coming” fanclub, I can’t tell? You know, if someone asked me what’s more predictable, the sun will come up tomorrow, or Dr John will passionately identify with and defend George Zimmerman in the Trayvon Martin case, I’d have replied, someday scientist tell us the the sun won’t come up. I can’t think of a sadder thing than to be both wildly inconsistent in one’s principles, yet utterly predictable in one’s actions. On this very site, you’ve raged about Obama “ordering the assassination” of an American citizen, never mind that he was a terrorist, and the “hit” was a military operation overseas, yet George Zimmerman killing an unarmed teenager in cold blood on a public American street you find perfectly acceptable. After all, he had jewelry in his bag! (a black teen with jewelry? Wow!), he dressed like a gangster! (he and millions of other kids his age, including many white ones). Talk about race-baiting. Publishing pictures of a teen with the implicit message, “Look! are you telling me he wasn’t asking for it?” (I also noticed you quietly pulled the pic that was proven a fake.) You think you’re a man with principles, but all you have are predispositions (against Obama, against the Democrats, against “some” teenagers). That’s why you twist like a comical weather vane.
Dive Con
yes you got it, thank you, yes he was a con men in there ,pretending to get the rain coming,
and at the end the rain did come to his own surprise,
bye,
Tom
you’re spitting that c ZIMMERMAN has kill cold blood , you are a liar dangerous inciting the BLACKS WHO IGNORE AS EVERY ONE, INCLUDING YOU,who is the one with his head knock out from THE OTHER ONE BASHING HIS HEAD AGAINST THE CONCRETE FLOOR, WHICH WOULD PROBABLY HAVE BEEN LEFT THERE TO DIE, IF HE DID NOT HAVE A CHANCE TO GET HIS GUN AND SHOOT, TO FREE HIMSELF FROM THAT ONE RESOLUTE TO FINISH THE JOB EVEN SEEING BLOOD AND A BROKEN NOSE ON HIS VICTIM. HIS SAVE HIS LIFE AND YOU AND OTHER WANT TO LYNCH HIM
you cannot fool the people here at least, and you cannot bring anyone here on OBAMA RACE CARD,
THAT’S WHERE IT LIVE , AND YOU SEE THE BOUNTY ON A MAN INJURED FOR WANTING TO PROTECT the BLACK COMMUNITY which many have been rob around the same time this happened,and many of them., wanted help to find the culprits found,
For those who wish to continue to so vigorously defend Zimmerman, I will caution you that a really big piece of information has been released by the Sanford PD. It is very destructive to Zimmerman’s story.
When you watch the video embedded below remember that Zimmerman claims that he was punched in the nose (his attorney claimed that his nose was broken). Zimmerman also claimed to have had cuts on the back of his head.
Roll the tape:
Now, as you watched it did you notice anything odd?
That’s right. There’s not a drop of blood on him anywhere. His nose is not swollen or bloody which it would be if it had been broken
His shirt is clean on the front side and is still neatly tucked in. On the back of his head there are no apparent injuries. No blood on his scalp which is plainly visible.
It appears that Mr. Zimmerman has a big problem.
that was AFTER he had been to medical help
you can NOT conclude ANYTHING from that video
@Aye:
Notice that his nose is not the same color as the rest of him?
Notice the officer checking his fleece and then wiping his hands? Want to guess why?
Notice the officer checking the back of his head? Want to guess why he would do that?
You didn’t see the wound? I sure did and can.
@DiveCon:
Nope.
He declined a trip to the ER that night even though it was offered. He was given basic first aid at the scene but that still doesn’t explain away the lack of blood on his clothing. Nor does it explain his nose not being swollen and bruised consistent with it being broken.
Care to try again?
@Aye:
http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/03/26/police-reveal-george-zimmermans-side-of-the-trayvon-martin-shooting/#ixzz1qV9h3wnk
@Aye:
Aye, did you notice that the cops put a Caucasian clown nose on Zimmerman just for fun?
Would anyone like to wager some big money that I can’t slam your head into concrete hard enough to make your head bleed and then stop it within an hour?
Anyone?
@drjohn:
You’re grasping doc. His nose is not even the slightest bit discolored or swollen. A nose that looks normal is not anywhere near consistent with what a broken nose looks like.
My guess would be that the jacket was wet. It was, after all, raining outside.
If there had been blood or other bodily fluids present on the clothing that officer would have donned some latex gloves to keep the fluids off of him. We are, after all, in an era in which blood borne diseases are a major concern.
I see the officers giving him a general look see up to, and including, checking his pockets prior to taking him out of the sally port. That’s a routine security procedure done before a person is taken inside. You’ll notice that once they go through that process a signal is given and a third officer joins them.
Sorry doc. You’re seeing what you wish to see. I’ve watched the vid over and over looking for wounds, and other clues, consistent with the types of injuries he’s claiming to have incurred and they are just not there.
Broken noses bleed. A lot. Yet, the front of his shirt is clean. No blood to be seen. His shirt tail is not even pulled out.
Even if he received basic first aid at the scene he would still have blood on his clothing and very obvious wounds in the video.
@Aye:
No offense, Aye, but I likely know a lot more about that than you.
@drjohn:
I agree. People see what they want to see. So the cop was looking for weapons on the back of Zimmerman’s head, not to see if he was still bleeding.
The police report states clearly that Zimmerman was bleeding from the nose and the back of the head. Both can be stopped fairly quickly. The report also clearly states that Zimmerman’s back had grass on it, not grass stains.
And where did the Tea and skittles go? There’s nothing about them in the report.
@drjohn:
You’re nibbling around the fringe issues and failing to get to the heart of the matter.
If Zimmerman’s nose was indeed broken and bloodied, where is the blood on the front of his shirt? If Zimmerman was indeed “sucker punched” by Martin and then there were an ensuing struggle there would be blood present and obvious because the nose thing happened first. Not sure if you have experienced it, but blood tends to splatter and clot and run down get all over everything.
Yet…his shirt is still clean. It’s not stretched or dirty. Heck, it’s still tucked in his pants.
Perhaps the police department made some photographs of him and his alleged wounds which will be revealed at some point.
Zimmerman had sure better hope they did because, so far, nothing has been presented which supports his claim that he was in a life and death struggle.
Obviously, you’re welcome to come to whatever conclusion you wish but when practically every piece of evidence has to massaged, tweaked, or explained away in order to fit your narrative that should be an indication that your examination is not objective.
@Aye:
If you get punched and you’re on your back, the blood runs down the side of your face. You claim to like dealing in facts. The police report is clear. The wound is visible. The report says grass on his back, not grass stains. We are nowhere near close enough to determine if there’s blood on his red and black fleece.
Those are the facts.
And my offer is on the table.