Our whiny, prissy man-child of a President is getting all bent out of shape once again. You will recall this incident with Gov. Jindal:
I was expecting words of concern about the oil spill, worry about the pending ecological disaster, and words of confidence about how the federal government was here to help. Or perhaps he was going to vent about BP’s slow response. But no, the president was upset about something else. And he wanted to talk about, well, food stamps. Actually, he wanted to talk about a letter that my administration had sent to Secretary of Agriculture Tom Vilsack a day earlier.
The letter was rudimentary, bureaucratic, and ordinary. . . . We were simply asking the federal government to authorize food stamps for those who were now unemployed because of the oil spill. Governors regularly make these sorts of requests to the federal government when facing disaster.
But somehow, for some reason, President Obama had personalized this. And he was upset.
There was not a word about the oil spill. He was concerned about looking bad because of the letter. “Careful,” he said to me, “this is going to get bad for everyone.”
Yeah, why try to accomplish something positive when you can just whine about the treatment you receive from those who dare disagree with you.
That wasn’t the first time this little kid got upset, just today he got pissy with Gov. Brewer:
“He was a little disturbed about my book, Scorpions for Breakfast. I said to him that I have all the respect in the world for the office of the president. The book is what the book is. I asked him if he read the book. He said he read the excerpt. So.”
Asked what aspect of the book disturbed him, Brewer said: “That he didn’t feel that I had treated him cordially. I said I was sorry he felt that way but I didn’t get my sentence finished. Anyway, we’re glad he’s here. I’ll regroup.”…
She said the president brought up the book.
“I thought we probably would’ve talked about the things that were important to him and important to me, helping one another. Our country is upside down. Arizona was upside down. But we have turned it around. I know again that he loves this country and I love this country.”…
He appeared to walk away from her while they were still talking, and she confirmed that by saying she didn’t finish her sentence.
“It was though President Obama thought he could lecture me, and I would learn at his knee,” the governor wrote, calling his tone “patronizing.”
“He thinks he can humor me and then get rid of me,” Brewer wrote.
Questioned about the different description, the governor said she did not lie.
“I mean, we weren’t yelling at one another, screaming at one another,” she said.
“But it was a pretty one-sided conversation,” Brewer said. “He was, I believe, condescending. And he was lecturing me about what we were going to do and how we were going to do it.”
Yeah, no one believes that Obama would do something like that do they?
Brewer:
And will go out of his way to diss those he believes dissed him….except those who wish to do us REAL harm:
The New York Times, citing U.S. government officials, wrote on January 12 that the Obama administration had sent a message to Supreme Leader of the Islamic Revolution Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei warning that closing the Strait of Hormuz is a “red line” that would provoke a response by the United States.
…MP Ali Motahhari said on Wednesday, “In the letter, it has been stated that ‘closing the Strait of Hormuz is our red line’ and they have requested direct negotiations.”
…“In the letter, Obama has mentioned cooperation and negotiation based on the interests of the two countries,” Ebrahimi, who is the deputy chairman of the Majlis National Security and Foreign Policy Committee, told the Nasimonline news website.
“He has stated in the letter that they will not take any hostile action against the Islamic Republic of Iran,” he added.
I’m pretty sure Ahmedanutjob has dissed Obama pretty thoroughly….but no need to get pissy then. Only when it’s those who Govern our states.
“Careful,” he said to me, “this is going to get bad for everyone.”
King Obama is used to the Chicago Way and expected Jindal to compliment him and ask what else he can do for the president.
Jindal made two mistakes before Obama made the visit:
(1) He didn’t donate heavily to King Obama’s campaign.
(2) He didn’t switch to the democratic party.
If he would have done one or both of these things, King Obama would be granting Jindal many wishes.
Your story reminded me of one of my Tea Party posters.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/35983084@N07/5239788209/
My dream is that Obama would visit Arizona and Sheriff Joe Would arrest him as an illegal and Obama would wind up in Tent City. I still haven’t woken up from that dream.
She’s lucky the Secret Service didn’t throw water on her.
Arizona really looks bad on the Won. Yes sheriff Joe has his all volunteer posse checking on his citizenship and his hidden credentials.The Holder DOJ has threatened sheriff Joe about racial discrimination concerning the deportation of illegal democrats(aliens). Sheriff Joe told them to bring it on and now the DOJ has balked on this and looks completely stupid. The other stalwart sheriff ,who has the huge county along the border, has asked for help and doesn’t get federal help. Governor Brewer is still brewing over the WH law suit that hinders the control of illegals. Let me guess. Arizona will go republican next November.
@Greg:
The little lemon drop is not a king and I’m sure the SS had sense enough to realize the Governor was no threat. Really dumb comment, Greg.
@Greg: #2
Is that what you would have done?
The important stuff always comes first.
Obama’s only talents are those of a con-man, so it’s not surprising that he’s insecure in his manhood.
I’m from AZ and the local talk radio interviewed her after this incident. She really was not there to confront him on anything and was trying to be diplomatic but then whiner- in-chief brought up the book.
The radio guys asked if she got mad (uh, ya think?) Her response: “I tried not to get mad.” Love it. I don’t know that anyone has ever stood up to BO like that. She sure made Arizona tea partiers, conservatives and others proud yesterday.
A facet of his narcissistic personality disorder on display.
Just a good reminder here. He is the President. HE IS NOT A KING! As Gov. Brewer said, she’ll respect the office, but she sure as hell does not have to respect the man, especially when the man is someone who seems to feel hi is a king.
This President has more than once shown his disdain for the groveling masses, preferring to threaten rather than govern. After listening to his Bull S… session the other night, the only thing I can see is he now feels he is in fact the dictator he wants to be. What I saw harkens back to the days of Hitler, Stalin or whatever dictator you care to mention. For you libbies out there, I’m not referring to him as a murdering scum as hitler was. However since most libbies refuse to even learn history, Hitler was a great orator who manged to fool the public with his lies while amassing power. when confronted, he pulled exactly what President Bozo did with Gov. Brewer. He talked down to, threatened, etc. and always took umbrage to anything bad written or said about him. That is historical fact! Of course, the leftists and for that matter the establishment RINO scum don’t bother to learn from the facts. Only power counts.
In this country we have the right to stand up to and speak out against those who would want to destroy our way of life. Gov. Brewer did this, first in her book and then face to face with the President. A citizen of the United States stood her ground to a wanna be tin horn dictator! Good for her. How sad that so many in this country refuse to stand for their basic rights!
He is like a pampered little snot. Always used to getting his way by stomping his feet and holding his breath until someone gives in just to shut him the hell up. Now that I come to think of it, he really is Occupy Wall Street bundled together and dressed in a suit and tie.
I know 14 year old girls who hold grudges for better reasons than this putz.
@Smorgasbord:
Yes, then she would have kicked Greg’s butt.
You’re a typical liberal Greg, you talk about empowering women, but it’s clear you have a problem with strong women. I’ve yet to meet a liberal male who talked about supporting women, then didn’t turn around and treat them like garbage.
Obama: “Enough about you. What about me?”
@Greg:
It wouldn’t surprise me in the least to find that you really believe that the SS acting that way would be acceptable.
There is an idea, Greg, that too many in this country have. That is, that just because someone is who they are, that they automatically deserve respect, regardless of how they treat other people. That is the exact backwards way of truly earning respect. In the real world, one gets respect by extending it to others, always. Extend respect, get respect. Not get respect and then you will extend it to others.
She flipped him the wrong finger.
The community organizer in chief throws a hissy fit, thinned skinned doesn’t come close to describe his affirmative action guilt/paranoia.
The broads got a finger in his face while she lectures him.
Don’t think anyone likes that.
Hotheads like Brewer and Sheriff Joe could learn someting from Repub. Rep. Jeff Flake’s gentlemanly treatment of Gabbie Giffords at SOTU speech.
I am glad, that legislators in Arizona also investigating ‘Fast and Furious’, Agent Brian Terry was murdered there.
What is good for the goose, is also good for the gander, no?!
Brewer to Obama: “I’ve got flying monkeys, and I’m not afraid to use them.”
Obama had to expect being met by AZ’s gov.
He was ready to start a fight.
What a brave man!
Always fighting his “enemies.”
As long as they are little women or turn-the-other-cheek Catholics or Christians.
She met w/Obama at the WH and got his ”promise” to help her border problem.
BUT what did he do?
He had signs set up in HER desert!
Signs that read: TOURIST, VACATIONERS! BEWARE!
This is a dangerous area!
(Great!…..NOT!)
Well, the morning we learn that Obama’s Transportation Sec, Ray LaHood’s SON is being held in EGYPT.
A Cabinet member’s SON!
Held for no reason.
(He is a Maronet ((SP??)) Christian which is a LEBANESE Christian.)
He belongs to a human rights organization….and he is a Republican.
His organization was probably one of the 17 that pointed out how the new Egyptian rulers were allowing all these females to be sexually assaulted.
There have been upticks in rapes and kidnappings of non-Muslim females in Egypt.
There have been upticks in Christian church burnings, Christian home lootings, Christians attacked by Muslim mobs.
Gee, I guess it is now a crime (insulting Mohammad by TELLING the TRUTH about the CRIMINAL acts of his followers) in Egypt. (Actually, according to the Koran, it IS a crime to tell the truth IF that truth ”insults” or makes Mohammad look bad.)
What will Obama do?
Will he insist all the humanitarians be allowed to freely leave EGYPT?
Will he even try to get LaHood’s son freed?
It is going to be an interesting few days.
He was probably bullied in his younger years and too chicken to fight back. Now that he is in a position of power, in his mind he is getting revenge hence the power trip. Notice his macho, tough talk that is directed against anyone who opposes him. Then he talks like he was the brave one putting his neck on the line to take out terrorists like OBL when in fact it was our military. Not impressed. Someone needs to grow up.
THE SOOTHSAYER, on this blog and other blogs, has said since he was foisted into our main that he is a “humorless prig” operating on a “thin set of rails”. Shakespeare applied humour as a sign of mental wellness, intelligence, and mental confidence; while he used tragedy and drama as an indication of neurosis and confusion as to say that Hamlet, Lear, Otello were characters not quite-quite. “Excerpts” is the key word par the confrontation as to show that he manages not with depth of analysis but through summations and excerpts; ergo, a Cliff Notes management style easy subject to sway by guile, flattery, and bribe.
@Richard Wheeler: If that is true then millions of Americans don’t like Barry wagging his finger ALL of the time in addition to looking down his nose. He just got a taste of his own medicine. Who the hell does he think he is?
Brewer is an old barfly needs to shut her trap and stop trying to make a profit off of jailing brown people in her private crony owned prisons.
Bush was never subjected to the level of racist and disrespectful rhetoric by so many including other politicians. And Obama has to take it graciously or the sleaze merchants at Fox News will start with the ‘angry black man’ crap again.
Thankfully, Obama just walked away from this corrupt idiot.
PIGS – PIGS – PIGS smelling in their sty of PIGmentation politics. Then we get told by those PIGS that PIGS are intelligent animals and excellent pets especially when the PIG gets into Pork with other Jesse Jackjson-Al Sharpton PIGS. Here in New York City there are slews of diversity but it’s the PIGS at Succotte Park that slop-up all the media attention. Some liberal cretin retard brought up skin PIGmentation probably squatting down in grannies basement with the same skin PIGmentation as a walking piece of swine. Between barroom beer and cocaine PIGS like the PIG IN CHIEF love their blow.
I think Governor Brewer is a Great Leader for Arizona. Funny, I don’t see her as a divisive person.
She stands by her principals. And, confronts things headon. There are many [including Obumbles] who could learn a lot from her. Especially about protecting “Legal” American citizens in her state and other states. She actually wants to enforce the Law(s) and respects our great Constitution instead of ‘dissing them’.
Foremost, is her Honesty, Integrity and Courage. You go Governor Jan Brewer !!!
Sadly, I cannot say the same for our ‘good talk no/bad action commander in chief.
FAITH: acquiesce please! Understand that the liberal Jacobites want the first female president to be either Thunder Thighs who went to Wellesley “you know” or Bamzilla who’s a Prinston Tigress. Both are so kiss their feet briliant that one majored in Saul Alinsky poli-babble and the other wrote in seventh grade rap-music code before being swooped up into Grande Ole Ivie law schools. Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachmann, Jan Brewer just don’t measure up to those two doing the strut.
@Richard Wheeler:
Have you seen the multitude of pictures of comrade downgrade doing that to other people?
He has actually poked someone in the chest. So fuck him. Respect has to be earned, and he for damn sure hasn’t earned any.
sablegsd and Disenchanted Blast BHO to pump yourself up. Unless you got someone hiding in a back room your Primary winner is gonna go down hard in 2012.You got nothin.
Soothsayer Have another drink.Hell have 2 or 3.
rich, I’ll take a Rubio in 2016 over a RINO Romney for 4 years, plus be forced to run him again as an incumbent. But that’s assuming there is anything left of the nation after Obama is done with it.
If Mitt’s the nominee, the GOP must take hefty majorities in both chambers to counteract and neutralize Obama. And that includes veto proof majorities to get rid of O’healthcare and Dodd Frank.
@THE SOOTHSAYER: Got back to you masterbatorium in your parents basement, loser.
@FAITH7: She sold out her constituents to the private prison corporations. So guess whats going to be illegal in AZ very soon? EVERYTHING! Don’t be an asswipe.
Ya know, rich? I feel exactly the same way every time the man speaks to the nation. Since I can’t walk away from him rudely, I just change the channel. It’s all old reruns anyway… not missing much. And I’m not a glutton for punishment.
@cml in maine: #15
She’s a lady.
@Greg: #19
YOU SAID
Brewer to Obama: “I’ve got flying monkeys, and I’m not afraid to use them.”
RESPONSE
This is something King Obama would tell one of his un-loyal subjects. Why do you liberals ALWAYS refer to violence against the ones you don’t like?
What Brewer is saying to Obama is more like, “I have the US Constitution and our state constitution on our side, and I’m not afraid to use them.” She is trying to do things the LEGAL way without violence.
@Smorgasbord: Well, in all fairness to Greg, if he had been there, I mean he could have thrown water on Gov. Brewer.
After all, he is constantly carrying Obama’s water, so throwing it wouldn’t have been too difficult…
@Nan G: LaHood is from Peoria, IL. My wife went to school with his daughter, and was in their home for social occasions quite often.
She was as perplexed as anyone to see him working in the Obama admin.
Politics aside, I sincerely hope that our American citizens can safely leave Egypt before the Muslim Brotherhood takes total control of that country.
@liberalchild: Ah, our resident troll wipes the spittle from his chin and bangs away at his keyboard to launch more invectives at anyone he despises.
I continue to be surprised that even in the absence of having an infant to pick on liberalchild still manages to post a comment…
@Richard Wheeler: Why so eager to see more damage done to the very country you served?
@MataHarley:
Not to mention a very possible need to counteract and neutralize Romney’s progressiveness.
This article sounds like one by Michele Maulkin entitled “Mr. and Mrs. Cranky Pants”, to which I responded on another website. My response is copied below:
Considering all the undue criticism that the Obamas have suffered—for example the haranguing about whether or not he is an American or a Muslim—it’s no wonder he loses his cool once in a while. I would bet that Michele Malkin loses her temper more of than he does, and for slighter reasons.
@Liberal1 (objectivity):
I am so glad that you stopped in to give us your “wisdom”. Undue criticism? Please. If the MSM had done their job completely, and not one-sided, the American public would know more about Obama and his past than they do about, say, how Brangelina are supposedly breaking up again, or how many diets Oprah has been on in the past decade, or how the Kardashian sisters are attempting to “work” their way through all the single sports stars.
Obama loses his cool every time he receives the smallest amount of criticism towards his ideology, or every time someone doesn’t just lay down and let him have his way. He acts like a petulant child that believes the world revolves around him, and him alone. Maybe if you pulled your head out of his b***, you would see this, but I don’t think any of the rest of us will wait around to witness that.
I’ve not seen a single poster praise or even acknowledge the comraderie displayed between Repub. Jeff Flake and Dem. Gabby Giffords at the SOTU. We need more of this and less of the ranting. The “tough guy” approch will not replace BHO.
ANTICSROCKS #39 I know your concern for our country is genuine.
As a H.S. Junior in 1961 I heard JFK’S call to “Ask not—–” Two years later I joined the Marine Corps Officer program(PLC) graduated College and in Feb.68 as a platoon leader stood at Khe Sanh against NVA Gen. Giap who had beaten the French at Dien Bien Phu in ’54.We stood strong and he chose not to fight.
Some 44 years later I’m a homeowner in the town that borders the Marine’s largest base, Camp Pendleton.These young Marines are as strong and proud as those at Khe Sanh, Iwo Jima,or Belleau Wood.With Army Officers like David Petraeus in the field we are well lead.I sleep well.
The economic problems our country faces are complex. As a mortgage banker I was at ground zero (Irvine Ca.)for the formulation of the toxic loans that sent the R.E. market into it’s dramatic dive.We will not fully recover untill a real estate stabilization takes place.The culprits were easy money and pure and simple GREED from the lenders.I SAW IT from ’04-’o7.
I believe in civil rights ,human rights,a free press and protection of the environment.I’ll vote for the man or women who best embodies these principles.Our country is strong and resiliant like our young Marines.
Semper Fi and God Bless
Flake, along with Giffords’ BFF, Wasserman-Schultz, were even more attentive and caring during Gifford’s resignation ceremony the next day.
However my question is, why would we heap praise upon obvious attention and care that any person with social manners would do? Is some feel good moment you need so you can turn your head away from real driving issues for a moment, rich? I’m not much into feel good politics myself. I’m here to watch the elected ones and how they affect our future and our lives… not jump up and down for joy that they acted like civil humans beings. ad nauseum….
As do we all. As do even the GOP candidates you despise. So isn’t this some sort of self serving, vague statement when you refuse to recognize that both sides of the political fence share these, but see different ways to deal with it?
And why different ways? Because of your second sentence of being “strong” and “resilient”, also a shared feeling. Some of us tend to believe that the policies put into place by your party 5-7 decades ago, and piled on thru the ensuing decades (yes with the help of far too many fiscally irresponsible GOPers too) have seriously undermined the strength and resilience of this nation fiscally. And we also believe that a resilient, free nation, recognizes this. Thus the blowback of low opinion of Obama, Congress, government in general etal.
Mata “not into feel good politics” You’ve made that crystal clear.
How bout feel good moments like beautiful sunsets and slow dancing with your spouse.
I LIVE FOR THEM.
Have a great weekend
@Richard Wheeler: Due to health considerations, I was not taken by our military despite a letter from the Navy stating they were interested in having me in their nuclear program. My younger brother was in the first Gulf War in the Navy. Our father was in WWII as a Marine in the Okinawa invasion. He saw heavy action and to this day, I can barely get him to talk about it.
Thank you for your service.
Gee a liberal like rich attacking a strong woman. Who would have thunk it? Again, the left’s intolerance of a strong woman rears it’s head. When they say they support women they mean a woman who knows her place.
@Greg:
Would have been a bad day for everyone involved if they had. This is a problem liberals have and I even see with some conservatives. This is not France, or Germany, or any other country with an elected leader. This is the United States of America. The President was in Arizona. A sovereign State and Governor Brewer is the duly elected leader of that State. She has protection as well, usually the State Police. And she is the Commander in Chief of the National Guard. Any president elected is done so with the consent of the States. We have no kings or queens.
And since we are getting back to how incredibly civil democrat representatives are, I’ll bring this up again.
ANTICSROCKS Thank you and Semper Fi to your dad. The true hero’s, like him, don’t say much.
Hard Right I like strong SMART women.
Although some in the media are crediting Gov. Brewer with some kind of forethought to plan this for publicity, they are wrong. She can’t even think of her next word. She was just reacting in a petty way about her book, which she didn’t even write anyway. It wasn’t about AZ. It wasn’t about the President coming to visit and promote business. It was all about her. She lost it plain and simple, and now it’s all spin. She’s a sorry excuse for a governor but hey she a conservetard… but I digress
If you go to this site there is a link to click on the interview. I could not get it any other way.
http://ktar.com/...
And yes someone does need to throw water on the witch (spelled with a B) but for gods sakes get the woman some dentures that fit.
@Aqua, #48:
Indeed she is, and yes she does. But that’s no excuse not to show a bit more respect for decorum. Barack Obama is President of the United States–the nation’s Chief Executive, elected by majority vote to represent all of the states and all of the people. She doesn’t have to like him, but she really should refrain from sticking her finger in the President’s face in public settings.
*Rev. Jesse Jackson called Gov. Brewer’s act, “the ultimate insult,” at his latest Rainbow Push meet up.
*In the letter Obama was holding Gov. Brewer had “Viciously: Invited Obama to lunch!
*MSNBC anchor Melissa Harris-Perry told Lawrence O’Donnell that this photo reminded her of the photograph from 1957 in Little Rock, Arkansas, of the young woman Hazel screaming at a young Elizabeth Eckford on her way trying to get into Little Rock High School, Central High School in Little Rock, Arkansas.
*BOTTOM LINES*
#1 Sales Of Jan brewer’s Book Up Over 150,000% On Amazon.com.
#2 Las Vegas mayor only politician to meet Obama after Brewer meet.
OBAMA = 0
BREWER = MILLIONS
What’s with all these Pols and commentators getting rich writing (doubtful) books.Worse still,who’s buying them? If I’m gonne read I’ll pick up a Steinbeck or a Hemmingway.
@Richard Wheeler:
Buying a pol’s book is a way an organization or individual can show support.
So, Gov. Brewer’s book is all of a sudden:
Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #10 in Books (See Top 100 in Books)
#1 in Books > Politics & Social Sciences > Government > Public Policy
#2 in Books > Biographies & Memoirs
#2 in Books > History
http://www.amazon.com/Scorpions-Breakfast-Interests-Politicos-Americas/dp/0062106392
Has Obama written new books?
His old Dreams….. now ranks #23,130 in Books
#81 in Books > Biographies & Memoirs
#94 in Books > History
His old Audacity…. now ranks #5,314 in Books
And is sold 4 for the price of 3.
Nan Obama’s as bad as the rest of em. Let me know when Brewer’s total sales approach Obama’s.
Let me know if she’s ever re-elected Governor
@anticsrocks: #36
I’m guessing he would probably prefer another liquid thrown on Governor Brewer. I guess to be a true liberal in today’s world you have to wish some kind of violence on those who appose you. I can’t remember the last time I have had a political conversation with a liberal without them getting mad and throwing out all of the gutter language they are known for.
I can talk to anybody about anything without getting mad enough to wish violence against them. I figure if we both agree strong enough on a subject that neither one of us is going to change our mind, change the subject.
Smorg What is this continuous screed about liberai “gutter language and violence”
Didn’t know that loathsome behavior was confined to any one political group.
@johngalt: #42
Reading you comment made me go back to the picture and check something. This is one of the few times I have seen King Obama without his nose stuck in the air.
@Greg: #51
Since you are so upset about Governor Brewer’s lack of respect for putting her finger in Obama’s face, I would like your response to:
Obama snubs Netanyahu
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/7521220/Obama-snubbed-Netanyahu-for-dinner-with-Michelle-and-the-girls-Israelis-claim.html
Obama sent the Dalai Lama out the back door, right by the trash
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2010/02/19/white_house_sends_the_dalai_lama_out_the_back_door_with_the_trash
Let me guess: They had it coming, didn’t they?
@Nan G: #52
As I have mentioned many times: How do I got on Obama’s hit list? I could use the notoriety and money.
@Smorgasbord, #56:
I assume everyone realizes that the water and the flying monkeys refer to a classic American film. Maybe I assume too much.
@Richard Wheeler: #57
Filthy language isn’t confined to one party. I have delivered and picked up all over the USA. One thing I noticed, mostly along the east and west coasts, is that the foreigners who work the docks who can’t speak English very well, use at least one gutter language word in every sentence they utter. I have wondered if they know what they are saying, or if others are having fun at their expense.
In my perfect world that I would like to live in, no cuss words at all would be allowed. The only problem is that if I were accepted into that perfect world, it would no longer be perfect, so I guess I will never live in a perfect world except in my dreams.
All I was saying is that it is hard to have a political conversation with a liberal and not have them go into the filthy language. Of all of the Tea Party protest I have been to, I have only heard what I call the minor cuss words, not the gutter language and name calling we hear at liberal protests.
@Greg: #61
“She’s lucky the Secret Service didn’t throw water on her. ”
The water killed the witch. We know what you were inferring.
Who, exactly, is wagging their finger at whom, here?
Y’all are crazy.
She is one low class, disrespectful, ignorant gasbag.
Y’all must be afraid of a black man. Sad. Pitiful.
And you’re right. She is a witch. A hateful, racist (like so much of Arizona) witch. Someone should get some water.
@Greg: No, you don’t assume too much, Greg. In fact, one song from that movie kinda makes me think of a few of the regulars here on FA – a few of the far lefties, that is.
Obscure American classic film reference
I shall leave exactly who I am referring to up to “y’all.”
@joetote: Don’t tell me. You think he’s “uppity”, right?
JUAN at FOX was angry with the GOVERNOR BREWER, because she pointed her finger at OBAMA
@Mo Rage: #64
Another typical liberal response. “Let’s use violence to get what we want.” Actually wishing someone you don’t like would be killed.
@anticsrocks, #65:
An enjoyable little movie clip . . .
And to think of all was going on in 1939. A lot of people really needed the escape that a nickel, dime, or quarter movie ticket would buy.
anticsrocks
on39 that was quite a punch line, I bet you really took Rich by surprise and gave him something to think real hard about the COUNTRY,
HOW DID THAT GO?
IT’S NOT WHAT YOUR COUNTRY CAN DO FOR YOU, IT’S WHAT YOU MUST DO FOR YOUR COUNTRY
BYE
@Mo Rage: Mo Rage,
No, I don’t think he is uppity. I feel he is such an embarrassment to the office and the country that I could not remotely relate to someone who I feel is against everything I and our founding fathers hold dear! Practicing one’s right to Freedom of Speech and expression takes a lot of guts in this PC age of idiocy, especially considering one now becomes an enemy of the state in doing so! Gov. Brewer only did that.
The President is nothing except a man. He is the employee of every taxpaying citizen here in the U.S. We the People are his bosses. Personally, I have no use for arrogant elitist know it alls who tell me how to live my life. However I have absolutely no tolerance for people who i feel are traitors to our country and our way of life. In my lifetime of sixty years, I have seen many morons who once in office have turned against our founding principles and in effect became corrupt with the power, etc. And followers of this site also know I rail against the establishment Republicans as well as the Leftist democrats and their Marxist/Socialist/Muslim loving leader. They are every bit as bad as this scumball is. but never in my life have I seen any President so openly hostile to this country and our ideals! When a man states as he did the other day here in Vegas that the individual cannot do it alone but in fact government must do it (I’m paraphrasing here) then something is terribly wrong if We the People in fact believe that!
The man in my estimation is a traitor to this country and its ideals! Uppity? NO! This man, his and his wife’s policies and beliefs as well as the scum political circus in D.C. is a cancer that is quickly destroying this great country of ours. I’ll be damned if I’m going to sit by and be quiet as so many are wont to do in this case for fear of jobs or whatever. Gov. Brewer stood her ground as she is allowed to do in this country!
Notice I allude to Hitler and other dictators in my first comment. That my friend is not my believing he is “uppity”. That is the cold hard fact that the brain dead electorate, choosing to believe the lies and and false promises (the hands out mentality as I call it) rather that take responsibility for their own actions, an electorate that not only refuses to take their most sacred right, the right to vote seriously is now facing.
@joetote: Well said joe!
@Greg:
It works both ways sir. Obama has dissed every republican governor whose State he has visited. He did this to Jindal, he snubbed Gibbons in Nevada, refused to take a letter from Perry. Maybe you should tell Obama that he is the president of the United States and not just those with democrat governors or the States he won in the election. A governor should absolutely respect the president and the president should remember he is a distinguished guest of that State, guest being the operative word. The president represents the interests of the United States, but not the States themselves. The States are sovereign. The president should no more dress down a sitting governor than the head of a foreign nation.
Ms Bees Actually in his inauguration speech in Jan.1961 he ended with “And so my fellow Americans: Ask not what your country can do for you–ask what you can do for your country.” I joined the Marines and fought in Viet Nam.
What have you done?
Anticsrocks joetote calls our President “a traitor and a scumball” You a “Well said Joe” Sad
wow I like that escalation of telling in your face, we where too polite and to tolerant for the TROLLS, they have been spread out to sell the traitor’s message, and by this they have embrace his cause totally, and they must be neutralize with convictions we find only in CONSERVATIVES BLOG, which always choose their words not to offend the opponent , but this critical time is too important for civility not to offend manners, which they don’t care to use themselves, but should have the guts to use the real word
on their own leader to tell him he is a dangerous dude and should stop destroying their AMERICA, WHICH IS THEIR DUTY AS AMERICAN TO EXPOSE ANY ONE WHO IS A TRAITOR IN THIS COUNTRY,
BUT THEY CHOOSE TO COME HERE AND ATTACK THE SMART CONSERVATIVES,
fair enough let them eat grass
Ms Bees You’ve never had a clue what polite and tolerant are.That’s your biggest problem.
Mo Rage
wipe that white thick saliva leaking out of the corners of your mouth,
It’s poison which going to give you boils all over your body,
which we can smell the putrid scent already.
Richard Wheeler
what am I doing, you ask. read what anticsrocks said on 39 again and again,
you had all the polite warning from the smart AMERICANS in words, in books in representation
of any kind to tell of the dangers, you a MARINE OF ALL PEOPLE SHOULD KNOW BY NOW, BECAUSE YOU HAVE GONE TO HELL TO FIGHT IT, READY TO DIE FOR IT.
It is real, the TALIBANS
send suicide bomber again to kill IN AFGHANISTAN a second time 30 SOME KILLED,
and OBAMA is ready to send representatives to deal with the TALIBANS, as the TALIBANS ARE opening their office in there
WTF it is there to talk about, except to blow them up while talking to them,
is there any MUSLIMS IN AMERICA, ready to do the job and risk their life for AMERICA
is in it about time they participate, they know the language they can deal,
@Richard Wheeler: Yes, I thought he said it nicely when he said:
As for the names, well when the shoe fits…
Anticsrocks Yeah it takes a real big man to call the President a traitor on the internet. Show me where or when as a former Marine Officer I’ve EVER said that at anytime or anywhere about ANY POTUS. It’s pure chickenshit.
@Richard Wheeler: Where was your outrage when the Dems were calling Bush a liar, a loser, Alfred E. Neuman, the Duma and the Reichstag (which enabled Hitler to come into power), Bull Connor, racist when it came to New Orleans or accusing Bush of knowledge of 9/11 before hand?
Where was your outrage then?
Or does the First Amendment only apply to liberals?
anticsrocks “W” was my Fraternity brother, a fellow drunkin Deke. I damn sure never called him a traitor or defended anyone who did.Do you really think BHO a traitor or is it just some macho posturing?
When we have a President that pits entire sections of Americans against one another, what do you call it? The left blasted Bush for supposed partisanship, but Obama wouldn’t even speak to the Republicans while he had majorities in both houses.
Anticsrocks C’mon, partisan politics makes one a traitor? Were FDR and Ronald Reagan traitors?
Do your best to vote him out. Don’t belittle yourself.
@Richard Wheeler: Context Rich, context.
And no, I know Ronald Reagan was no traitor and FDR probably honestly believed he was helping when he greatly worsened the Great Depression.
You expressed anger at another poster here calling Obama a scumball and traitor.
I then questioned your selective outrage, and reminded you of some of the vile slurs made against President Bush by your side of the aisle.
One of those comments was that Bush was blasted for dividing and not uniting, or in other words, partisanship. Then I further reminded you that Obama’s entire agenda is about partisanship. Don’t recall calling him a traitor.
I asked you three questions, of which you have neglected to answer two of them:
ANTICSROCKS As you know I am a strong believer in the First Amendment and a free press.
You call it sections against one another,I call it partison politics same as FDR and RR.
JOETOTE called BHO a traitor.You high fived. Simple question Do you agree. Yes or no. Thanks for an honest answer.
Then we’ll move on. Good night
..
@Richard Wheeler: #85
There are different ways to be a traitor. One way is to promote a society, country, culture, religion, etc. that wants to destroy the USA. The Muslim religion teaches that non-Muslims are infidels and MUST be converted or killed. Not all Muslims go along with this, but it is in their Koran. Watch the below video and ask yourself if George Bush or any other republican would have said the same things if you would defend them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCAffMSWSzY
Obama admits to being a Muslim.
Pay attention to how Obama pronounces Koran.
Watch how he bows to the king of Saudi Arabia. He started bowing to other leaders after this to make it look like he was just showing respect.
Watch where he explains why, “I won’t wear THAT pin on my chest.”
He also said, “America is not, and never will be at war with Islam.”
Can anyone name any other religion or country or culture that Obama has complimented more than the Islam religion? He doesn’t even have this much good to say about the USA. He wants to change the National Anthem because it has violence it it. He wants one that teaches love and acceptance, like (he actually suggested this) “I want to teach the world to sing….” I wouldn’t be surprised to find out that Coke paid a bunch of money for that plug.
@Richard Wheeler: Again, let me point out that I thought he said this nicely:
I don’t see how you can not see that Obama is drawing a line down the middle of America, He is constantly putting forth the idea that the evil rich aren’t paying their fair share, that they aren’t paying enough taxes. He is pleading a case for the middle class, all the while implementing policies that harm the middle class. I hate even having to use the term middle class, it is a Marxist tool to divide citizens and place labels on them. We are Americans, first and foremost. This whole idea that a small percentage of the populace, which is paying 40% of all income taxes coming into the government, isn’t paying enough is nothing more than class warfare.
I was honest with you. Can you answer this question honestly?
How much money as a percentage should a successful, hard working, small business owning American get to keep of the fruits of their labor?
Smorg Obama was born in Hawaii and is a Christian. You are delusional my friend.
Semper Fi Get some sleep.
Anticsrocks I answered your 3 questions in #86. I asked you one question in #87. Again real simple. Do you believe Obama is a traitor? Answer it and we can move on to your queries in #89.
@Richard Wheeler: #90
YOU SAID
Obama was born in Hawaii and is a Christian. You are delusional my friend.
REPLY
I will let the Georgia court and Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s posse decide that. There are things that point to him not even being a legal citizen:
(1) He is using a Social Security card issued in Connecticut that was in a block of numbers reserved for FOREIGN students. Nobody in the democratic party has denied this. He has also used MANY other SS cards. Again, not denied by the democrats.
(2) His grandmother says she was present at his birth in KENYA.
(3) His birth certificate has been declared fake by every expert who examined it.
(4) We were first told he was born in one hospital in Hawaii, then, later it was the other one.
(5) No hospital in Hawaii claims him as being born in it.
(6) No town in Hawaii claims him as growing up there.
(7) If he is a legal resident of the USA, then I will owe my financial planner a steak dinner, because I bet him that Obama won’t run because there will be too many states, like Georgia, that are writing laws that make it MANDATORY that a politician prove they are legally qualified for the office they are running for. Obama didn’t show up for his court appearance in Georgia to prove he is legally qualified to be president. He could have at least sent a REAL birth certificate to the court, if he has one (other than his Kenyon one).
I go by FACTS, not just by what others tell me.
YOU SAID
Get some sleep.
REPLY
Now you liberals want to control our sleep time. LOL I am a night person and will be up for some time.
@Richard Wheeler: Yes, I feel that in pitting American against American, that in appeasing our enemies and emboldening them, in shunning our allies that yes, he is, in a sense a traitor to what America stands for, to what makes America great.
He does not believe in American exceptionalism.
He does not believe in American patriotism.
So yes, I do feel that he has been a traitor to America. Especially in light of how he governs and how the Founding Fathers envisioned how our government was supposed to work.
There ya’ go.
Your turn.
Richard Wheeler
If someone in leadership would one day ask what one of your neighbor or friend you have been familiar with for visiting on a regular time, to record what they say
would you do it?
Anticsrocks I believe in a Fair Tax system and the abolishment of the I.R.S. I’ve found my views similar to John Galts’.
@Richard Wheeler:
As a born Chicago boy, I will say one thing that is fact! If President Obama were here in front of me, I would call him a traitor to his face. While I’ve always admired you for your service to our country Rich, you do make me wonder sometimes. I call it as I see it (and yes, I can get quite crass, but unlike the politically correct, I don’t really care about name calling. That’s how I feel about him and most politicians and thats what I call him) and would not be the least bit cowered in letting him know exactly what I feel. And don’t forget one other thing. The internet is in many ways the only way to gwet the truth out now. You sure as hell won’t get it from the MSM or the lying sacks of you know what we call politicians, headed as usual by our so called President. Respect the office? Yes. Respect the man in it? No? As I said. we are his bosses. He is not a king!
“I feel he is such an embarrassment to the office and the country that I could not remotely relate to someone who I feel is against everything I and our founding fathers hold dear!”
Rich and others. Read that sentence, especially the last part, “who I feel is against everything I and our founding fathers hold dear!” A traitor can come in many guises. In this case, the people, refusing to take their sacred duty as citizens and voters seriously and/or just being to greedy, lazy or stupid and believing the lies elected a person into office who is the personification of everything that is abhorrent to true Americans. His race baiting, his Marxist/Socialist policies, his utter disdain for the individual and so on. Everything he does in my view is Anti-American. We are a country founded on a set of ideals, ideals that made us the greatest country to ever exist, yet we have people defending this guy, his policies and the leftist agenda. Yet everything this guy espouses is in stark contrast to our founding principles. That in my view makes him a traitor!
joetote
hi,
check on THE LAST
SKOOK POST; ” laughing at the presumptions of ….”
on 33 comment link
One last note. In my original answer to Mo Rage, I noted he was not “uppity” In rereading this thread, it just now occurred to me that there was a racial element put in there by Mo Rage. !omehow missed that as I just wanted to clarify myself. Having said that, once again, the race card is thrown as it is being thrown in the class warfare rhetoric coming from our President and his minions and this to is traitorous in my view.
@ilovebeeswarzone:
hi Bees,
I did see it. I love Skook. He is always right on the dot.
Joetote Our founding fathers helped form a Democratic Republic.Since Washington we’ve exercised our right as citizens to make a change every four years.Your fellow citizens by a plurality of over 8.5 million votes made there choice in 08. In Nov. you get another chance. Make the most of it.
Suggest you stop blaming the MSM. Get up and DO SOMETHING to elect the candidate of your choice. The Founding Fathers would respect you.
joetote
congratulation you hit the 100 comment, this is a plus, and always notice,
don’t let Rich Wheeler dictate you, he always think he has influence here, but only CURT has it here, definitly not Rich Wheeler a lib would ever get to tell us what to do,
Joe I’ve noticed that You, anticsrocks,Smorg and Ms Bees share similar views on subjects discussed above. A powerful quartet for change.
@Richard Wheeler:
“Suggest you stop blaming the MSM.”
Unfortunately, Rich, when the majority of the voting public seems to be more interested in who is getting voted off the island(Survivor), or which bachelorette didn’t get a rose, or which sports star just got arrested, or who going to be dancing on TV, etc., etc., etc., than in which candidate will best represent them, they tend to barely watch any actual news, and when they do, it is the slanted news of the MSM (CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN). That MSM is populated by left-leaning “tv journalists” who present the news with their prejudices against anything from the right. That being the case, a lot of the voting public has little knowledge of the truth about any politician. The mass of voters in this country, in general, is very ill-, or mis-, informed about the issues. You can brush off the criticisms some of us have of the MSM all you want, but it doesn’t make your view the truth.
Obama was elected with much, much less knowledge about him and his past than we know about the Kardashians. That is a failure of the MSM to do an unbiased job of vetting the candidates in 2008. What is real sad is that otherwise intelligent people like yourself, who would research in-depth their next auto purchase, just accept at face value what the MSM has portrayed Obama to be.
John Galt Do you suggest I believe those “better informed” among us suggesting a Kenyan birth and his daily ritual of bowing towards Mecca? Many on the far right as evidenced right here at F.A. are incredibly ill informed. Wouldn’t you agree?
@Richard Wheeler:
No, I wouldn’t. What I would say is that most people here want to know the truth about matters, no matter what they believe at the time. And I don’t propose that you believe any of us, liberal or conservative, just on the face value of what we say. That is why Mata is so good, here at FA, because she routinely, and nearly always, gives links, sources, etc., to back her opinions, or views. I try to emulate that as much as I can, and there are others here who do as well, even liberal leaners like Larry(try saying those four words 5 times really fast, lol).
It would surprise you to know, for instance, that many of those you castigate for believing Obama wasn’t born here and/or he is a muslim, would accept the opposing view if proof were shown to the contrary of their opinion. Sure, some people won’t, and never will. Just like some people, no matter how much “proof” piles up about Bin Laden being the culprit for 9/11, will choose to believe that Bush was behind it. Those people are zealots who want to believe in the alternate fantasies for their own reasons. But I’m not talking about those people, Rich.
Those “better informed” among us, including Larry, I tend to give much greater weight to than some tv journalist hack promoting their own views. The people who congregate here, overall, are much better informed politically than your average joe.
@Richard Wheeler:
Rich,
I take a little umbrage in the “get up and do something” comment. I practice what I preach. I vote after I have fully educated myself as to the pros and cons of any candidate. As such, I would if warranted vote for someone of any party that I felt could do the job correctly. I speak out, not only on the internet. As for blaming the MSM, I am not putting the blame squarely on them. There are so many other causes of the voter stupididty out there such as the “Dumbing down of our schools” (I believe the late Senator Moynihan coined that phrase? And my gosh, he was a Democrat!) , the ultra left causes being pushed by the D.C. entrenched morons (for which I have always blamed both parties) and so on. The fact is that the MSM is nothing more than the propaganda arm of the left, pure and simple.
While I point out how I feel as to the guy in the White House (and please understand. I realize the President is the C in C and as an ex Marine you hold to that credo and should). The service didn’t want me although I tried to enlist so I don’t quite get into the C in C mode (My lottery number was 3 in 1968, but both my draft and when trying to enlist physical disqualified me). As such, I find it hard to respect this man as a leader.
As I said earlier.” In this case, the people, refusing to take their sacred duty as citizens and voters seriously and/or just being to greedy, lazy or stupid and believing the lies elected a person into office who is the personification of everything that is abhorrent to true Americans” The information was out there. The MSM, PACs or whatever openly lied or hid those facts. The MSM in particular did not do it’s job! And I’m not talking about (nor never have) the birther issue. For whatever reason, the powers that be refused to vet this guy properly. However, in turn the electorate as I have said until I’m blue in the face did not take their jobs as citizens seriously enough and have not for years to actually elect a person who was suitable for the job. False promises, lies and entitlement mentality took the place of an educated electorate. And that is also fact. Why is it the folks on the left promote class warfare and entitlement mentality as well as mandate school curriculum that do not teach our basic ideals? Even when my kids were in school we saw (especially at USF with my 2 oldest girls) the open leftist curriculum being pushed so as such, i speak from experience. with my grandkids, its worse. Luckily, we have instilled in our kids what it is to be a true American, something that schools do not teach. They are good at rewriting history though. My point is in my eyes they are purposely creating a mind dead electorate with the sole purpose of keeping their power.
Is the information to make a reasoned decision out there? YES! But it certainly is not reflected in the MSM or the 2 major political parties. That again is fact. You fought for among other things, our right to vote. Yet there are so many who actually advocate withholding the information needed to make an informed decision. and when people such as myself and others, ESPECIALLY IN THE LAST 3 YEARS WITH THIS ADMINISTRATION, SPEAK OUT, we become enemies of the state as I noted before. This President has openly advocated “telling on your neighbor ” or “reporting Anti-Obama/Democrat speech or writing. This President has splintered this country, racially and philisophically. His vision of America is one that as we can see in Europe and every failed Socialist country is completely against our way of life. his embrace of the Radical Muslim agenda (Bin-Laden aside) is one the is leading us into a Third World War. And let’s not forget how he throws our allies under the bus.
This is how I feel. I have come to the conclusion I have about this guy because I know how to read and look at everything I can get my hands on. I then make an informed decision based on my beliefs and knowledge of any subject or candidate. Am I perfect? No/ Can I be wrong and change my mind? Yes! Have I seen anything yet to change my mind as to what I feel is a cancer that has permeated not only the White House but government in general? No!
You and so many others fought for my right to state my opinion and I appreciate that deeply. But as I said earlier, I have no tolerance for elitist tin horn wanna be dictators, especially those of a hard left Marxist/Socialist such as I feel this President is. We were a country of doers, yet now we have a President that in effect bad mouths success.
Is this really what you and so many others fought for? I sincerely hope not. I hold service men and women in high esteem as I have said before on this site. My father and two step-fathers gave of themselves far more than I can maybe ever hope to understand. I truly believe they are rolling in their graves right now seeing what is transpiring in this nation.
Sorry to be long winded her, but I really want everyone to understand where I’m coming from on this. And please note once again. Yes, I call Obama a traitor to this country, but I do not entirely blame him. I blame as I’ve said more than once a “mind dead electorate” that has either forgotten or in many cases has not been taught the basic principles this country was founded on. that is my belief.
@ilovebeeswarzone:
Bees,
I don’t worry about Rich or others. He has his right to his beliefs and I’m pleased to read tham and rebut them as I have in the past. And I am thankful to him for his service. He more than some as myself who didn’t (or couldn’t in my case) serve has definitely earned the right to voice his thought. My beliefs are deeply held, formed by my family and friends and my upbringing as well as my 60 years of life. Thanks again for your thoughts
Joe
I’m just going to add to @johngalt”s observation of rich wheeler’s “suggest you stop blaming the MSM” comment. It’s incredibly naive to think that media coverage has no effect on voters’ opinions of candidates on both sides. Fact is, most people don’t have the time, or interest, to get much further than headlines about scandals, soundbytes about corruption, or opening paragraphs when reading a “reporter’s” summary of the news as he/she sees it.
The same thing goes for polls.
The media, the elected elite, and the sundry talking heads know very well that polls and headlines are a powerful tool to effect elections by playing to the herd mentality. Many constituents validate their opinions as being correct simply by looking at who else shares that same opinion, and whether they respect that individual or organization.
One example for conservatives may be the Heritage Foundation… well respected. Yet while Santorum digs at the change of heart on mandates by many, he also forgets that Heritage, at one time, supported mandates as the economic solution to health care. Heritage’s research affected the opinion of many an elected conservative and GOP official. When Heritage reexamined it from the perspective of Constitutionality, they reversed their opinion… as did many elected officials (except Romney…).
Sometimes, just because you respect an individual or organization, doesn’t make them right. You have to go with your own research, and form your own opinions. And sometimes that entails a gut reaction.
I’ve found myself disagreeing with Rush, and (gasp) Mark Levin on many occasions. But I formed my opinion via reading as much as I can about the devil in the details. So I don’t care if they stand on the opposite of me on an issue. It’s my opinion, and last I looked, independent thought and freedom of speech were some of the most treasured of unalienable rights.
It’s just too bad that, as time has gone on and US public school curriculum has been altered, that those freedoms are dismissed by so many as unimportant. Or that they take the ultimate privilege and responsibility of being a fully informed voter so lightly.
Which brings me to the subject of this post, and it’s birther tangent. I don’t have much to say for either Jan Brewer or Obama in this instance. I think the POTUS behavior was abominable, and I don’t blame Brewer for reacting emotionally… as exemplified by “the finger”. Heaven knows we’ve seen that finger from Obama often enough in speeches, as well as his nostrils.
In retrospect, Brewer should have also known that her body language would be caught on camera, and she’d have to take the pummeling she’s gotten. Bad judgment on both sides… Obama for being petty. Brewer for letting her emotions control her body language.
But all in all, I don’t care about this issue a bit.
As far as the birther trend, I’ll leave that up to the courts. Haven’t got a clue what is absolutely true, but again this isn’t an issue for me. Why? Because you’ll never get Obama to pack up and move out of the WH on this. And frankly, I think the wrong people are being attacked.
I believe that it’s the political party’s responsibility to vet their candidate on eligibility, and on platform issues. If Obama did pull a fast one, he did it with the aid, and perhaps knowledge, of the party who handed him the nomination. What should be addressed is how parties vet a nominee, and they should be held responsible if they fail to adhere to Constitutional requirements for the most powerful position in the nation.
In the meantime, running an election that revolves around Obama’s place of birth instead of his deplorable record (both domestic and foreign), is a losing proposition, and an embarrassment to the process. You’ll never convince the vast majority of nation’s voters, concerned about the economy, jobs, spending and future, that where Obama was born is the most important issue of the day.
You will, however, convince the vast majority of voters that the opposition has nothing to offer, so they will campaign not on solutions, but desperation.
BTW, johngalt… thank you for the kind words.
@MataHarley:
You are most welcome for those words, Mata. They are the truth.
As for political parties vetting their candidates, I agree with that. However, I also believe that it is the job of the media, whether print, tv or radio, or internet, to attempt as non-biased a vetting as possible of candidates for office. From local to national. Too often the media seems to be in the business of “making the news” instead of “reporting the news”. Details are glossed over, or left out completely, in order to present a manufactured picture designed to nudge people into believing one thing over another. It is not surprising that our MSM has become very Pravda-like in their supportive stories for the liberal viewpoint and castigation of conservativism. It is their job, their duty, to their readers, viewers and listeners, to report the truth. And they have failed. Because of that, we, the populace, have ended up with “elections” between two, or three, people we don’t really want as President, and we end up voting for the lesser of two evils. A very cynical view, I admit.
And part of the problem is the readers, viewers and listeners of that same media. We, as a whole, don’t demand that honesty from the media. Indeed, we are even agnostic towards it when it comes to politicians. We just don’t really care about it. It really is a sad state of affairs that the populace, in general, knows more about what the Kardashian sisters did last nite than what Obama has done in his past.
Actually, just now thinking about this, I’ve come to a conclusion. The main fault, that we end up with such terrible people to represent us, is we, the people. We, now and in the past, have not demanded enough from the media. We were complacent and allowed the media to become populated with ideological zealots who put their views above honesty in reporting. And because of that, the media has become complacent in their reporting on the candidates, which has allowed the parties themselves to put up people like Obama. Or McCain. Or (possibly) Romney. We, the people didn’t demand better. We got what we deserved, and will continue to get it, until we, the people, start demanding more from the media and our candidates.
Couldn’t agree more, johngalt. However the 4th rail of politics has long ceased to be an instrument of keeping government honest, and turned into a competitive business for ratings and ads instead. Thus they combine the electorate’s penchant for tabloid gossip with news to one up the other competitor.
I think this was more true in the past than this election. And that is best exemplified by both Newt and Santorum, attempting to rein in the media on tabloid issues instead of the meat and potatoes. Yes, they should vet candidates… in the proper arenas. However their idea of “vetting” is generally unsubstantiated lies, mis or half truths, generally delivered to benefit their favored guy in the horse race.
A perfect example is the constant repeating of Newt, “run out of Congress” for corruption when he was, in fact, exonerated of all wrong doing. A desperate House membership used him as a scapegoat with the reprimand – hoping the assault would go away – and still it didn’t work. Instead of defending the innocent guy, they should have gone after the partisan witchhunt.
But then, the Dems felt that the GOP was on a witchhunt themselves with the Clinton impeachment.
To this day, the media has created a revisionist history for the ill-informed on several items in the past decade or two:
1: That Newt was run out in disgrace
2: That the Clinton impeachment was all about a sexual affair
3: That the Sept 11th attack on the Twin Towers was because it was a “symbol”, and not the financial heart of the nation
4: That WMD was the only reason to go to Iraq
5: That the Bush tax cuts caused the housing collapse and debt
So yes, I think that your final conclusion that we, the people, are at fault for not demanding a more honest and unbiased media is more on the money. The irony of that is that we, the people, need to be better informed than the media we chastise. And while online official records are getting easier to view, the majority of our “informed educated” is gotten for the very media we find inadequate to begin with.
At least, with the information age, we have a plethora of sources at our fingertips. And often, if you read enough of source documents, various agenda-laden pundits, bloggers etal, you get to the truth. But it sure is time consuming.
Johngalt
yes, and that’s why these CANDIDATES WHERE SO MUCH ATTACKED , and shred to pieces so much, they had to turn against each other to rise to the position they all seek to obtain, this has never happened before in history of this NATION OF TOLERANTS AMERICANS turned into divided clans beating on each other personal life leaving them bare naked to please the avenging public so scare to loose the next election, so to depose OBAMA AND HIS CROWD OF HATERS
who dared to do it exactly the same for OBAMA?, nobody did question him, on any issue brought up by SARAH PALIN at that time, instead they turn on her publicly accuse her of racist, and turn the crowd against her; using her and BUSH TO HATE,with ferver inciting the crowd to turn against her, all that to cover OBAMA non existent profile. they put him on a pedestal where only GOD IS, and created a frenzy spreading vastly exaggerated, and uncontrolled,
this without any criticisms of THE SUPPOSE PERFECT CANDIDATE THEY SUPPORTED,
look at AMERICA NOW. is arrogance and money, will prevailed over honesty, passion for AMERICA and experience with the will and knowledge to repair the fragmented AND
CRUMBLING AMERICA
@MataHarley:
And, for the most part, commenters here at FA are better informed than the media we chastise. One of the reasons I come here is to read the various opinion pieces by post authors, and the comments by the readers. I gather those pieces I’m interested in and use them to temper my views on issues, along with knowledge gained from other sources. I believe that I am fairly well informed, much better than the average voter, because of this. And yes, you are correct, it is time-consuming. However, it is this vigilance by people such as yourself, that IMO helps define how people view the different issues and subjects, even on such a small cross-section of people such as those that come here.
I don’t know, and in fact, seriously doubt, that the traditional media will ever change enough to reflect honest reporting of stories and people. It seems like it’s almost too far gone to redeem them. That is why the internet, and sites such as FA, are so important. So that we can have that “freedom of thought” that you mentioned above, as well as access to important information the traditional media doesn’t, or won’t, divulge to the public, for whatever reason.
In the end, I am just doing whatever small part I can to hopefully influence someone into believing as I do about an issue or subject, especially if it comes in a complete contrast to what the MSM has presented about such issues or subjects.
To the folks Isn’t News Corp the largest media corporation in the world followed by Viacom,Time Warner,and C.B. S.? Aren’t Rubert Murdoch and Fox a large part of the MSM you continuallly deride?
Help me out.Do you want actual fair commentary or more guys like Sean Hannity.Is he your idea of fair? If so you’ve lost me. If not then who is fair? I happen to like O’Reilly and Blitzer.Thoughts.
In your perfect world would you have the unwashed masses er the electorate listening to Rush and Mark Levin? Is that what you want.I’m honestly trying to understand your thoughts on this lamestream media harangue.
@Richard Wheeler:
Rich, please get away from including people like Hannity and O’Reilly in the same category as “news”. They are not, and never have been. They are political pundits, giving out their own opinions.
When we discuss “news” and the bias of the MSM, we are talking about the journalists, tv, print or otherwise, who temper the news they deliver with their own views. Or by glossing over some facts, or completely omitting others.
It’s not “commentary” that I want to see in a news piece. It’s honesty and integrity to the truth of the story. The ENTIRE story. That is something we do not get from the MSM, for the most part.
John You are talking about faceless journalists? Other than you and me and maybe Mata who even reads the inflated priced newspaper anymore.Who is disseminating this widespread misinformation you so passionately deride?
I agree with you that WE are the problem. Whatever happened to buyer beware?
I always got my news from Bob Dylan.
“unwashed masses”??? rich, really. Sometimes your hyperbole gets overly dramatic….
In my perfect world, I’d have what you call “the unwashed masses”, and what I call every eligible voter, listen to everyone of all political leanings. I do. Why shouldn’t you hear from both sides? Isn’t that actually the definition of unbiased “news”?
I read and watch lib/prog media, moderate media, and conservative media. When I’ve collected enough soundbytes, headlines and accusations, I then hit original source documents like speeches, Congressional floor records, voting records, lawsuit briefs and somehow try to find the truth in between.
Thus, as both johngalt and I say, it’s very time consuming. And admittedly, most of the nation isn’t that focused on politics, but their kitchen tables. So when elections come around, they roll their eyes, get a crash course from media soundbytes and headlines from their favored standbys, look at the polls, and follow the herd.
I agree with johngalt that I’d love to see a way to more definitively sort out commentary/op-eds from genuine news. But I fear that “news”, in the old journalistic standards, is dead.
As far as just pigeon holing companies and people… a favored past time ofo yours… as what you think are conservative or liberal, tisn’t that easy. Liberal leaning stations like ABC and NBC also have some conservative radio outlets. And while many think FOX is conservative, I’ve always viewed them as having some variety in their shows. Greta was, and is a moderate. O’Reilly says he’s independent but is a moderate. Hannity is a pure GOP party man thru and thru.
Actually, I watch very little of FOX News these days, favoring the business channels of Bloomberg, CNBC and FOX Business News (tho I can’t get that one anymore since I changed my cable package… grrr. Cavuto is expensive. LOL)
My mainstay of news if from wide variety of Internet newspapers – all political leanings – merely to see what points each side promotes (and both do), then carry on from there. But considering that I do regularly catch anything from the former big three – ABC, CBS and NBC, to all the cable news shows, I can honestly say there is a liberal bent in the majority of them, a lesser amount that is moderate, and very few that are conservative – save for radio. And that’s an opinion I’ve formed from decades of watching them… from CNN’s first preview and on to the later added competition.
Mata The unwashed masses refers to what many of you call the uneducated nearly illiterate American voter who dared put an unveted Barrack Hussein Obama in the WHITE House. I give the American voter much more credit than you.Heck,you guys sound like the elitists.
I certainly agree that the more one educates themselves the more informed their decisions will be.
@Richard Wheeler:
Not faceless journalists, Rich. Remember Dan Rather and his “report” on Bush’s military service, and the fact that Rather used very questionable sources and made up “facts” to push an unkind view of Bush on the country? Granted, that was the extreme, but it is also the most glaring and condemning example of MSM one can find. Mostly, though, the “reports” one gets, from tv, print, or otherwise are purposely pointed towards influencing the view of whatever the issue or subject of the “report” is.
Here’s an exercise for you, Rich. Listen to Williams tonight and pick some political story he is reporting on, and immediately write down your first impression of the subject/issue being reported on. Then, go to the internet and do a search of the subject. Chances are you will find some very telling facts that were either misrepresented, or completely left out, that end up giving you an entirely different view of the issue or subject. I tell many people to do this very thing, and a large majority of the time, they tell me about how wrong the initial report they heard was. Now, doing this several times over the course of a week will start to make you a believer in the MSM bias. And granted, everything one reads on the internet is not believable either, which is why, as Mata posted earlier, doing research on the internet is VERY time consuming. Checking, re-checking, and re-re-checking facts can be an exhaustive process.
The main point of that exercise though is not to get you to do your own investigative journalism, nor was that the point I made to the other people I suggested it to. The main point is to open your mind to the possibility that what you think you “know” of an issue or subject is likely to be wrong if your “trusted” source was the MSM.
Actually, rich, the only “unwashed masses” phrase any of us has used has referred to the Occupiers… er, Infestants. And that’s a literal observation.
That make you the only one I remember calling voters that.
But I will say it was the uneducated and un curious voter who plopped Obama in the WH. They did not care about his past. They did not care about his experience. The did not care that the details of his “remaking America” were not clear to them, nor inconsistent with the nation’s founding. But I’m quite sure many of them took regular baths….
No question the MSM and CNN’s John King deserve much credit for Newt’s comeback win in S.C.
Rumour mills are buzzing Newt’s campaign manager has given all major media oulets Wife #1′s cell in hopes she’ll accept an invite to come on and blast Newt tonight, God knows, down 12%, he needs all the help he can muster.
Smorg and Ms Bees Don’t you wonder why every case brought against Obama that’s been adjudicated has been Thrown Out With The Trash.Ms Bees pls note some of the trashy accusers were thrown out of court.
@joetote: #97
Do I see a new title in front of your name coming? Maybe Senator Jettote, or Representative Joetote. I’d vote for you.
@Richard Wheeler: #103
I take that as a compliment. Thanks.
@johngalt: #104
When about 90% of the officials in the MSM (I call them the propaganda media) donates to the democratic party, how do you expect them to be neutral in their political coverage?
SMORG You are quite welcome. I’ve been meaning to ask you about your suspicion that BHO will steal Air Force One after his removal from office,Does he have a license or would a charge of kidnapping be added to his list of crimes and misdemeanors?
Really? That’s funny. Because it was you who called them the “unwashed masses”… not me. Wouldn’t that make you the elitist?
What did I say? That they either didn’t have the time, or the inclination, to do the yeoman’s work to learn about the issues in depth and beyond. That’s hardly elitist, or as insulting as your phrasing.. and something that only you have used in reference to the nation’s voters.
Mata Unlike you I am proud of the American voters for electing Barack Obama. It was a wonderful moment for a great country and it’s citizens.
Sorry you misunderstood my “unwashed masses” reference.It happens.
Thus the reason that none of us care who you want to see as the GOP nominee… save for using it as validation of Obama’s easy pickin’s wish list for an opposing candidate.
I’m happy you think that Obama’s election was a “wonderful moment”. Interesting observation, because it sure isn’t based on his achievements (which he had none before coming to office to speak of). And it’s sure not a “wonderful moment” after three years of his administration’s bungling. Now what could that be, richard? Are you just so tickled that there is a black man in office? And isn’t that a petty way to pick a POTUS… on race or even gender?
I understood your “unwashed masses” reference just fine. You were attempting to mock and accuse us of something we’ve never done, and I’ve called you on it. You read, then interject what you decide you want to hear from conservatives.. which is always insulting.
As I’ve said, the only one who’s called a voting block the “unwashed masses” was you. However many of us used that term as the literal description of the professional infestants. And it’s quite accurate.
On the other hand, I also understand your “wonderful moment” reference too.
@Smorgasbord:
I understand your point, Smorg, but news companies are still businesses that are in the business of making a profit. Meaning, their customers will ultimately decide whether the company is profitable or not. If the company is unwilling to change how they do business, they will go under. If they do change, we get closer to an unbiased truth in reporting. Either way, it’s a win for country and the people in it.
@Richard Wheeler:
As usual, Rich, you completely miss the points being made. And as well, you continue to suggest what others are thinking (“Unlike you I am proud of the American voters for electing Barack Obama. “). Really? You suggest that Mata is not proud of America for being willing to vote in a black man? Never mind the racist tinge to that comment, but I seem to remember Mata several times stating she was willing to support Mr. West, and even being impressed at some points with Mr. Cain. It has nothing to do with Obama being black. Are you tending towards race-baiting, like all of the rest of Obama’s political hacks? I actually cannot believe that you think so little of Mata that she would consider a person’s skin color above his/her character. And to think that I thought better of you than that. What a shame.
@joetote: #107
I don’t usually read long-winded comments on FA. Yours wasn’t long enough. You stopped too soon. I can see you going on a speaking tour. Let us know what cities you will be going to.
John Galt My comment had absolutely nothing to do with race and I RESENT your suggestion that it did. I would expect better from a member of our Navy.
What do two right wingers like Cain and West have to do with this..I would never support either of them.
Semper Fi
joetote
hear that? and SMORGASBORD is right, your comments are so enlighten read as always. thank you for that
bye
@Richard Wheeler:
You made it about race, Rich, when you mentioned Obama. What other possible reason could you have for being “proud” of your country for electing him. And please don’t act ignorant of that now. If all you wanted was a liberal/progressive hack, McCain would have sufficed just as well.
johngalt
you know Richard is still part of the problem, because he still believe to be right’
bye
@johngalt: #113
As long as corporations own news media, the media will have to report the news the way the corporation wants them to. I’m not saying corporations shouldn’t be allowed to own media, just making a statement. One example is the green stuff. When you check into it, the green companies that would profit from switching to oil are mostly owned by corporations that also own news media, except for Fox News. Getting people to use their products would make them a lot of money.
There are two ways to look at the FA commenters being informed:
(1) Informed people like to pass on info they think others should know.
(2) Even far left liberals are informed by coming to FA, whether they want to be or not. Most seem to be informed on stuff they don’t want to be informed about.
@Richard Wheeler: Go ahead and spit it out, Rich. What exactly is it that you think I have said about Obama’s eligibility to hold elective office, specifically that of the President?
Anticsrocks Don’t have a clue what you said or feel about his eligibility.That’s why I asked.
John Galt I was proud of American voters when they elected Clinton and JFK. I like Obama and think he deserves 4 more years Simple as that. Nothing to do with his race,As I’ve often stated his overall positions are closest to mine
Bees Damn straight I bslieve I’m right. Don’t you?
@Richard Wheeler: #114
#114
When you have one type of a thing, but it seems to be divided into two or more segments, the different segments are given names. In one sense, the MSM could be called the Liberal Media and others could be called the Conservative Media. I am guessing the term Main Stream Media came about because it is the most prevalent, kind of like a river with its different tributaries.
Originally, the river (MSM) was the only source for our info. Just like the locks on some rivers, the flow of water (info) is regulated. Some TV and radio stations and the Internet came along and slowly more tributaries were added so that there is now so much water (info)that it can’t be controlled any more.
As has happened over many millions of years, some rivers run dry and new ones are created. What used to be desert is now forest. What used to be forest is now desert. The MSM (river) is drying up, and I see it as a desert some day. If you want to live in the desert, that is your choice. I will choose the forest.
@Richard Wheeler: You said:
Then you said:
Its a good thing you didn’t insinuate a racial element with your use of all caps…
/sarcasm off
Okay, rich… I’ll give you the temporary benefit of the doubt, and ask you to explain your comment more thoroughly. Let me remind you of exactly what you said:
Now I take that, as well as others, as you being proud that Americans didn’t mind voting for a black man. And, in fact, that statement eerily echoes Michelle Obama’s “for the first time in my life…” comment. Perhaps the nation not being so consumed with race may surprise you, but it doesn’t surprise me in the least. Or perhaps I have a more positive view of Americans post the mid 20th Century than you do.
If any of us are incorrect, perhaps you’ll expound on what’s such a “wonderful moment” of great pride for electing Obama over Clinton or any other Dem POTUS in the past? (Note I’m assuming that you would never be proud of any American voting for a conservative President deliberately…)
I also take that “Mata, unlike you…” opening as a personal affront to me – insinuating that I would *not* be proud of electing a black man as POTUS.
Well personally, rich, I don’t choose my politicians, or POTUS, based on race or gender. I would be embarrassed to say I voted not for qualifications and like kind ideology, but race or gender. So I consider anyone that voted for Obama because of his race a shallow, uninformed vote.
I have no problem with race, heritage or gender. What I have a problem with is ideology that is diametrically opposed to the founding principles of this nation. We are not, and were never to be, a Euro-socialist welfare state. I don’t care if it’s the purple people eater as a candidate… I have no respect for, and will never support, any one with the ideology of Barack Obama.
Now I’m certainly willing to listen. But honestly, I suspect you’re going to be furiously back pedaling, and reaching for the moon for some spin on this one, guy.
anticsrocks…. LOL!
@Richard Wheeler: #116
YOU SAID
Other than you and me and maybe Mata who even reads the inflated priced newspaper anymore.
RESPONSE
The subscriptions for newspapers has gone down tremendously for two reasons:
(1) The Internet
(2) Conservatives don’t want to pay for propaganda they don’t believe. Would you subscribe to a newspaper that only printed conservative stuff?
@Richard Wheeler: You said:
Okay, name one economic policy that Obama has instituted that has boosted the economy. Show proof of your claim with links to credible sources.
Name just one, that is all I ask.
Sorry, @rich… your backstroke needs a lot of work, guy.
Anticsrocks is correct. Your emphasis with caps, combined with that “wonderful moment” crap, while later equating it to be just the same as when JFK was elected is just not believable. Why should it be any more “wonderful” than with other Dem wins?
Allow me to point out the obvious. It was YOUR party and peers who made a huge deal about this being a “historic” moment because the nation elected a black man. Are you now trying to distance yourself from that sentiment, just because you got caught with both feet in your mouth and not-so-subtly accused me?
You really need to get a grip, and stop putting words in our keyboards, just so you can vindicate your self-sense of superiority over the rest of us. We aren’t the ones calling voters the “great unwashed”.. that’s you. And we aren’t the ones that pigeon holes an election as being historic or a “wonderful moment” because the new POTUS is not a Caucasian.
Would appreciate you stop putting us into imaginary classes that fit your skewed perspectives.
Anticsrocks You love to ask questions but are loathe to answering any.
Mata You seem to love to complicate things. I accept there is not a racist bone in your body and ofcourse Never intentionally insinuated there was, I am as colorblind as i can be and did not vote for Obama because he is black.I’ve given my reasons many times. You don’t like them .So be it.
@Richard Wheeler: #114
One easy way to tell if a news media is liberal is if they call the USA a democracy. Fox News people usually call it what it is. If you or others don’t know, then you need to go to more conservative media.
For those who read or listen to the MSM, haven’t you noticed that they all use the same pictures and the articles are sometimes almost word-for-word? They don’t go out to the news much any more. They get together and write their stories and take their posed pictures.
I wish I could remember the woman’s name or the book she wrote, but she followed the news media around and reported on the media. The cover of her book has a picture of what I think was supposed to be a Lebanese boy throwing a rock. All of the media showed the boy in the same “pose.” She was standing behind the boy with the media in the background and the picture showed three rows of photographers taking pictures of the boy “throwing a rock.” If anybody knows of the book, please let me know.
Next time you see a video of some insurgents shooting, look in the background and see if there are any people. In one video of a “firefight” in a street, there were people in the background either standing and watching or going on about their business as though nothing was happening. If there is a real firefight, the people would be running for cover.
The question was never whether you were colorblind, rich. The question was why do you assume we are not? If that’s not what you intended, then I suggest you lay off the deliberate use of the CAPS key for emphasis, which only contributes to your not so well thought out communications. And you may want to think before you hit the submit button.
BTW, you said to antics on another thread…
Bear with me.. this relates to your comment above that I like to make things “complex”. Let me say there is pot stirring and agitation that is productive for needed debate on important issues. Ron Paul does that with his controversial views of both the Fed and our foreign policy.
There are also those that just like to insult, jab and poke – with no inherent value in the ensuing debate – but simply to express their blanket and erroneous disgust with a class or group of people, and watch to see how any one responds.
Unfortunately, that all too often describes your remarks.
It’s an insult to Ron Paul for you to liken my characterization of you as a not-so-valuable pot stirrer to him, raising needed debate points. You aren’t even close.
@johngalt: #119
You reminded me of a story a person told where they were talking to a liberal and offered them a copy of the Constitution. The woman replied something like, “I don’t want that! I’m a democrat!” There were several people around, some police officers, and they all started laughing.
What I would like to see is to have the Constitution written in today’s English so it would be easier to understand. Does anyone know if it has been done?
Richard Wheeler,
I read, Obama is a PUPPET for the WORLD ORDER,
and IT’S not the first time I hear it, meaning the destruction of the USA,
being taken over by the WORLD ORDER UN, money, lok how he spend trillions where does it go?
lands taken rich mines land , rich oil land being refuse to operate maybe sold already to the
UN WORLD ORDER, HOW COME THERE IS SO MUCH MORE PEOPLE DISAPEARING OR KILLED
SINCE THE LAST 4 YEARS. HOW COME THE ECONOMY IS ON STOP MODE, ECETERA
times are changin,
we need NEWT AND DESPERATLY
@Richard Wheeler: #122
As I remember, most, if not all, of the cases were in liberal courts. I haven’t followed the cases very much, so I’m not sure. I’m open minded. If Obama can prove he is eligible to be president, why doesn’t he just do it and be done with it. He is going to have to for the next election. Many states like Georgia and Arizona are going to make any politician running in their state prove they are qualified for the office they want to run for, just like the US Constitution says. Why not do it now and get it over with?
@Richard Wheeler: You said:
Okay, so I scrolled up through the entire thread, looking for questions I didn’t answer.
You said – not a question per se, but your comment was aimed at me:
To which I answered here. And went on to ask you:
To which you answe……oh wait, you didn’t answer me. You, instead posed another question to me:
And guess what? I answered your “traitor” question here. Then I went on to remind you that you had neglected to answer some of my earlier questions.
You did answer me on those, finally – and asked me yet another question, here.
I mean I could go on and on, but this is getting tedious. I have answered all your questions, so your comment that I am loathe to do so is in error.
Mata I hear you loud and clear. I’m gonna do my best to laugh off or ignore the crazy stuff I read on here like#151above and stick to positive commentary.
Mostly I ‘ll be a quiet observer which I’ m sure you’ll appreciate lol Good night and good health. Be assured I’ll be enjoying the primary and hard fought general election to come. RJW
Rich Wheeler
hope you have sweets dreams
bye
@Richard Wheeler: #126
Let me first say that I have a very active mind that looks at a lot of different angles to different issues. Just do some “assuming” with me for a while.
You are now Obama and the courts in different states have declared you ineligible to be president of the United States. You know you don’t have a United States birth certificate to show and you are using a Social Security card that was issued to someone in the 1890s and you have used up to 39 SS cards. If all of the above are true, I would like to know what you would do. We are just pretending here, just like it is a video game. What would you have your avatar do?
If you want to give me a different situation, assuming I am a liberal and want to ask me what I would have my avatar do, I will give you an honest answer as if I were a liberal.
@Smorgasbord: Let me point something out before Rich tries an “A-HA!!” statement.
I am sure you meant that the SS Obama is using was issued to someone BORN in 1890, not issued in the 1890s.
anticsrocks
what is the difference? born or issue
@Richard Wheeler: #122
I just read this in an email I received. It answers your question about the cases being thrown out:
The dozens of similar suits questioning Obama’s eligibility, filed in other venues around the nation were dismissed because the plaintiffs “lacked standing”—that is, were unable to prove direct, personal damage if Obama were to be permitted to remain in or run again for the office he holds.
@johngalt: #130
Agreed.
@ilovebeeswarzone: There were no social security numbers issued in 1890 since they weren’t even needed until the 1930s when FDR created Social Security.
The first SS numbers were given out in 1936, so a person born in 1890 would have been 46 years old and therefore might have received a SS number on or after mid-November, 1936. The SS numbers were handed out before there were even Social Security offices. The new numbers were distributed via the United States Postal Service.
I was just pointing out what Smorgs meant before Rich seized on it and spouted some smarmy comment.
@johngalt: #131
I didn’t see any racism in the remark. Replace Obama with Reagan and read it.
Just for the record, in 2008 I was hoping for a Powell / Rice ticket.
anticsrocks
thank you, my my, quite a find you got there, deeper and deeper,
bye
@ilovebeeswarzone: Aww, shucks ma’am. *blush*
@Smorgasbord:
Rice would make an excellent VP candidate. I’d far rather have Allen Keyes over Powell (who’s political abilities I’ve not been that that impressed with.)
@Smorgasbord:
LOL! I appreciate that, but quite honestly, I don’t know that I am qualified for that, seriously! Sometimes though, its a luscious thought. There is a lot I would like to do.
@anticsrocks: #156
You are right. Thanks for the correction.
@anticsrocks: #163
I also learned stuff I didn’t know.
@Ditto: #164
I should have added that after Powell endorsed Obama for president, I changed my mind. I have wondered many times if Powell still wants Obama. In Powell’s book he said he didn’t belong to a political party.
@Smorgasbord: I greatly respect and admire Powell for his military service and leadership.
His politics don’t impress me at all.
@Smorgasbord: No problem…
@Smorgasbord: …and thank you.
@joetote: #165
If it wouldn’t split the conservative vote, I would want a write-in campaign for Curt. If he wouldn’t want it, you and some others on FA would be on my list. I’m tired of the politicians campaigning on the platform of, “Vote for me, because I’m not as bad as the other candidate.” It is like jumping out of a plane, your chute not opening, and having to decide where to hit the ground so it will do the least amount of damage. No matter where you land, you’re going to get hurt.
@anticsrocks: #169
I gave up on Powell when he endorsed Obama. I don’t know if it was a “brother” thing or not. I wondered if he wanted to be Chief of Staff again. Some people get hold of power and want more of it. I just don’t know.
@Smorgasbord:
I do get on my soapbox, don’t I. I actually have so much more to say, but I find I’m not putting it down as I want. This is really because I am so full of anger towards not only this President, but the dregs on both sides of the aisle as well as the electorate that refuses to take this seriously. Our country is going into the crapper and look what we have out there spouting of as the so called leaders! Pathetic! I find I get so mad, I can’t write it without being crass, something which we all know I’ve come across as more than once. Being common folk, I let it out with those wonderful descriptive adjectives Pres. Nixon liked so much, so i tend to stifle myself and step back from it rather than let my sheer disdain for the process or whatever show. Being diplomatic has never been one of my comfort zones i’m afraid.
I do appreciate your thoughts as to my stuff though. I only wish i could write as well as Skook! LOL!
@ilovebeeswarzone:
luv ya bees!!!
@Smorgasbord:
You know, its funny. I believe that the majority of people get into politics honestly wanting to do good and then get corrupted as all get out. Having said that, i certainly see your point. Like I said, it would be lots of fun to raise a ruckus in D.C. and maybe upset a few apple carts.
@Smorgasbord: I think mostly it was due to his inability to get along with Dick Cheney. Anyway, that is the impression I got from reading Rove’s book. It was kind of his f*ck you to the Bush admin.
@joetote: #173
I think Skook will agree that we would rather have someone in office who knows what to do than one who writes well. This is one reason I was paying more attention to Cain than the other candidates, even though I can’t vote in the primaries. At least he had direct plans on how to solve some problems. The others just have their long-winded non-answer.
There are a lot of us here at FA that want to put a finger in Obama’s face. Not the one the liberals would put in someone’s face they were happy with, at least not in public.
@joetote: #175
You could start with your town and see how it goes, then the state legislature, etc. I am one of those who is lousing at being in charge of something, but I am a good helper.
When politicians start making their millions of dollars while in congress and all the power they can get, I think that is what takes over there lives. They need to be put on one paycheck and not a penny from anything else.
@Smorgasbord:
Agreed. On that note, I’m headed home to bed. Triple shifts can be a pin for us old folks. LOL! good night all!
@anticsrocks: #176
I guess we don’t have to worry about Powell, because he ain’t running.
@joetote: #179
I don’t have shifts any more and I am a night person. Sleep well my friend.
joetote
yes good idea, you get elected first, and you name us at FA, the new czars of the WH,
I wonder where I would fit in there, but there surely a place for me in there,
bye
@ilovebeeswarzone: #182
You would make a good ambassador to Canada. Do you speak Canadian. LOL
@Richard Wheeler:
Regarding your post in #128, and all the subsequent comments/replies thereafter associated with it;
Now I hope you see what kind of crap that conservatives constantly deal with in regards to race. Of course you didn’t necessarily mean you were proud of his election because of his race. I believe that I’ve read enough of your comments, in the past, on numerous other topics, to conclude that you are not a racist. However, that one little comment that you made in #128, “Unlike you I am proud of the American voters for electing Barack Obama”, could be taken, at first impression, by someone who didn’t really know you, to mean that Obama’s race is/was first and foremost the reason why you are so proud.
You make an innocuous remark, and someone takes it completely out of context and accuse you of racism. Sound like any recent activities on the part of the liberal/progressives concerning a GOP candidate? That is exactly what conservatives and non-liberal politicians have to deal with, regarding racism, on a nearly constant basis. And the instigators? Those same people who vote the same as you. The same people that Obama chose to populate his cabinet with. And, this is the most important one, as it refers to what our initial conversation was about at the time, the same people that populate the MSM.
Yes, that is right. The MSM, which you, for some reason, don’t want to believe is biased, does the same thing that I did to you. Levels charges of racism, based on flimsy evidence, or first impressions, without actually considering the context involved, the people involved, or the relationship of the people involved. Not very nice, is it? Yet, this happens all the time to non-liberal/progressive politicians.
I don’t believe that I need to go through the recent examples of this happening to conservative or non-liberal politicians with you. You are smart enough to remember the instances, many of which have been documented here at FA. My main point in doing this was to put you in the same situation as those conservative/non-liberal politicians, to experience the outrage because of it. Kinda one of those, “put yourself in their shoes for a moment” situations. You responded as I expected too. Not with mindless outrage and cursing, because you are too nice of a guy for that, but with a little harsher words and blunt comments.
I apologize for putting you in the middle of that situation, Rich. You are a nice guy, and I respect any and all service-members, both ex- and current. You are just so damned naive when it comes to MSM bias though. We, Mata, myself, antics, and everyone else, could sit there and list instance after instance of pure bias amongst the MSM and you would still continue to skirt around it, or deny it outright. I needed another way to show you what we mean, and you provided the perfect opportunity for it.
John Galt Thank you for your kind words and your explanation which I understand and ofcourse accept.
Couple of things. Certainly not as eloquent as you in my commentary, I must say I’m a very slow typist so often shorten my message. Not so much when sitting around having a beer. In business I’ve been fortunate to have assistants with great administrative skills. A must for me and greatly appreciated.
Re. MSM Understand where you’re coming from. The fact they more often than not agree with my positions doesn’t always make them right and were it otherwise I’d surely be frustrated with them.
However, News Corp with both media and print viewers and readers seems large enough to be considered MSM. We agree,led by Murdoch,they are Conservative in bent.Fox and CNN with WSJ and Orange County Register (mostly sports) are my primary sources for news. Honestly haven’t watched CBS,NBC or ABC since days of Cronkite/Rather.Brokaw and Jennings. Loved Peter, a true lib. with a great mind and wit. Noone covered the Olympics any better.Thoughts of Jim Mckay and “Do you believe in miracles” Chills.
RE. Racism and race baiting Hate racism like the plaque. Probably the worst quality a human being can possess. I see the phrase race baiting used often at F.A. and I have been accused of this.Is one a” race baiter” if he calls out a racist? I realize the vast majority of those here hold no racial bias.To suggest there are none who do so or that it does not remain a problem we should strive to eradicate in our society is IMO naive at best.
Enough for now .Thanks for your service. We’ ll see you in South Bend next year. Go Irish. Go Navy beat Army
@johngalt, I agree that I don’t consider rich either a racist, nor one who voted for Obama because of his race. I said that I thought those that voted for Obama just because of his race were shallow, uninformed voters. It’s an insult to the process and responsibilities. I did not include rich among those.
And while you certainly made the point of comment/context/interpretation/reaction, I think you’re letting rich off the hook pretty easy. Frankly, I’m not that appalled or consider any of this such a large issue. I just consider it one of rich’s more clumsy insults to conservatives in general.
Here’s my conclusion. For me to buy into rich’s explanation that it was just about a Dem win, I’d have to discount his reference to the election as a “wonderful moment” (not to mention his all CAPS on the “WHITE House” prior) as having nothing to do with the pride and rhetoric of his party, continually praising the “historic nature” of 2008. I believe that rich was, indeed, referring to that same rhetoric… that the election was “historic” because Obama is the first black man to occupy the Oval Office.
But as I said… just not concerned with this personal observation as an issue. I realize rich isn’t a bad guy. But I also know what rich’s opinion is of that class of people he calls conservative. And he does tend to classify largen groups as racist, evil capitalists etc in his commentary at regular intervals. I usually just chalk it up to a moment to vent, and call him on his penchant for blanket labels…. i.e. the “great unwashed” comment.
I have a different take on that “historic election” meme myself. Certainly it’s “historic” that a non Caucasian won the Presidency, just as it will be historic when a woman wins the Presidency. Oddly enough, being the “first” doesn’t really doesn’t mean much to me. I’d consider it more surprising and historic were it done in a different era, when such an election would be considered impossible with our societal culture.
I think where I differ is that so many seem to find this surprising in the 21st Century. I’ve never doubted for a moment that the nation could vote for any race, or gender, in a candidate of their choice. Had Hillary gotten the nomination, I’m just as certain that she would have won, making another “historic” moment. But again, no surprise to me.
Buchanan’s Veep choice of Ezola B. Foster – a black woman – as the Reform Party’s 2000 candidate was also “historic”, tho no one likes to speak of it. I guess Buchanan choosing a black conservative woman as a running mate simply gets in the way of their public portrayal of the man as racist. That choice must have left a mark…
Ferraro was the first woman veep for a major ticket, but Foster held the blue ribbon for the first black woman. I genuinely liked Foster, and I’m sorry she didn’t get more exposure during that time. Ms. Foster has left the Reform party and joined the Constitutional party since then… a party who’s platform resembles Ron Paul’s stand on most the issues.
I liked Alan Keyes. Would love to see those like Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams run for office. Crazy about Ward Connerly as well, and wish he’d do the same. Still like JC Watts and wish he’d return. That’s all 20th century stuff.
Currently I wouldn’t hesitate to pull the lever for Cain (tho I was leery of his 999 plan). And would be extremely enthusiastic for an Allen West candidacy. In this century, and near the end of the 20th, people are just less consumed with race than so many believe. They can’t seem to let go of the 60s as the norm, I guess.
And for those that take the above as an “either/or” extreme… meaning I have said there is no racism in the US anymore. No, that is not what I said. As long as man lives and breathes on this planet, we’re going to have defective humans that hate entire classes of people based only on skin color, nationality or religion. I might even add there are those who will hate because of political party affiliation. It’s just not as prevalent as it was, and is not an accurate profile of the US today.
And I will also note that racist traits are not confined to Caucasians.
@Richard Wheeler:
I have never stated that racism is not “real” or that it is a “myth”. Certainly, there are examples of outright racism in the world, and even within our own country. The point I was making wasn’t about racism, though. It was about MSM bias, and it’s effect on the thought processes of the average joe voter. I showed you how it feels to be accused of something you absolutely weren’t guilty of, and it mirrors EXACTLY what the MSM does to many non-liberal/progressive politicians, including the recent charges leveled at Newt Gingrich. A seemingly innocuous statement, taken out of context, linked only by the slightest of threads actual racism, and used to smear someone. As I said, not very nice, is it? Yet, these are the people you surround yourself with. Race baiters. Liars. Extremely divisive people. That you feel comfortable in such company is disheartening, Rich.
As for the particular example of NewsCorp, I don’t care. I don’t watch FoxNews, except on the rare occasion when something big is happening in the world, like when Bin Laden was killed, or a devastating hurricane or earthquake. And even then, I don’t blindly accept what they are pushing. Yet, the average joe voter, who chooses the CNN’s, NBC’s, or other identified MSM outlet, won’t do the extra “work” involved by gathering his news from more than one source. What they then see on that MSM channel becomes gospel to them, as it’s the only “truth” they get. See the problem?
I would much rather see a news station around that gives the pure, unvarnished truth about issues, stories and subjects. I would much rather see a news outlet that gives out the truth, and actually confronts the MSM, and even Fox, on reality. We don’t have that, and probably never will.
You stated something, above, that is very telling of not only yourself, but the multitude of liberal/progressive leaning people. That is, “The fact they more often than not agree with my positions doesn’t always make them right and were it otherwise I’d surely be frustrated with them.” Me? I don’t give a damn about ANY news outlet portraying a story that supports my position. I’d much rather have that pure, unvarnished truth about a story, thereby allowing me to make my decisions, either at the polls, about a subject or issue, or otherwise, with the truth in hand. For example, I love Sarah Palin and what she stands for, as I see it. If, however, I found out that, say, she embezzled money from the Alaskan government, my support for her would end. I don’t see that same thing happening with liberal/progressives, though. They tend to irrationally support whoever their current media darling is, regardless of what they do, and they are well supported by the lack of truthful reporting by the MSM.
BTW, you engaged in the process of saying two wrongs make a right, when you brought up NewsCorp. Liberal1 uses that justification constantly in his posts, essentially saying that it’s all right for a wrong to exist if a similar wrong happened from the opposition. That is the same rationale that allows gang-bangers to shoot up a house just because one of their own gang members was killed.
@MataHarley:
The racism angle was only the opportunity for me to place Rich in the shoes of those non-liberal/progressives who get accused of racism at nearly every turn. In short, it allowed me to make a point concerning our original discussion above of the bias within the MSM. That is all.
I could have gone farther into the perceived racist attitude of his statement, if that had been my goal. It was not, so I didn’t. It’s not often that a debate opponent supplies you with such a juicy opportunity to “prove” your point about something. Rich did that, and I seized that opportunity. Someone else probably could have done a better job than I did in making the point, though.
As for racism itself, I certainly agree that it is still present within our country, however, I find that the majority of racist actions seem to come from the left. Everything, to them, seems to be about race, which is why the false charges of racism are so infuriating. The average joe won’t stop long enough to find out how false those charges typically are, and because of that, never make the connection that leveling a false charge of racism at someone is just as racist as what they accuse others of.
The left makes so much hay out of race, especially since Obama was elected, and completely discount the fact that conservatives have supported so many non-white people for office, like Cain or West, Ms. Rice, Rubio, Jindal, Keyes, JC Watts, and countless others. It is sad that racism like that exists, because the biggest problem that it causes is that it deters people from freedom of thought, allowing the different ideologies to stand by themselves, on their own merits. For example, Newt’s most recent comment. Instead of the simple argument of government dependance vs. individual self-reliance, it was made to be, by the MSM, an argument over race. And it is because of situations like that, that Rich discounts because of a non-belief in MSM bias, that continues to fuel a fire against conservatives they do not deserve.
You may want to pocket that observation, and remember that the accusation and response is not a one-way street, rich. I’d say there is no dearth of racist accusations coming from your party and POTUS supporters. A prime example is the Obama CREDO SuperPAC… who is dedicated to those “radical extremists” with their “Taking down the Tea Party” PAC
Descriptions of Congressional members?
1: Joe Walsh – Raving deadbeat
2: Frank Guinta – Radically Corrupt and Extremely Anti-Woman
3: Sean Duffy – Lives in Gov. Walker’s world, not the Real World
4: Steve King – Paranoid bigot
5: Chip Cravaack – The Hypocrite’s Hypocrite
6: Allen West – Beyond Crazy
They’re still trying to think of a few more to slander. Tell me, rich… does this type of descriptive language fit the “race baiting” definition for you?
How about this, from the Old Black Church blog back in 2009. They’re upset about the old southern costumes, calling it insensitive or racist to wear them, because it reminds them of George Wallace days. How quickly they dismiss – or choose to conveniently forget – the reality that George Wallace was a Democrat… and former American Independent Party member.
I was a Cain fan too. If you go far enough back you’ll see me posting West/Cain or Cain/West for pres and v.p. Why I’m such a racist, I would LOVE to see West/Sowell 2016!
John Galt It seems to me that no matter how straight forward and honest news is reported,some are going to say it’s slanted.My dad and I used to watch MacNeil Lehrer together. I thought that a thorough,honest commentary
Problem ,as you’ve suggested, was not enough pzazz for the average viewer. I think an actual enjoyment and appreciation of the news, like baseball may be generational. Good memories.
You’ve often said you see things as right and wrong,good and evil, no nuances,no grey areas. You know the truth when you see it.
I have never suggested 2 wrongs make a right. Some here suggest we should watch news presented from different viewpoints since that’s all we currently have access to.
I try to surround myself with intelligent,caring and compassionate people. I spend time in charitable works through my Chuuch and help and support the Camp Pendleton Marines and their families. To suggest I surround myself with “race baiters,liars and divisive people is frankly offensive John and holds no truth.
We’ll discucc your “love” for Sarah Palin another time.Let’s check the Fla. results.
Mata I’ll say once again with emphasis. I am against racism,which we agree exists. I am against race baiting which we agree exists.
I ask again Is one race baiting if they call out an actual racist like David Duke?
BTW Why do many here keep pointing out all the Black politicans they’ve supported? What is their need?
@Hard Right:
You want to know the difference between conservatives and liberal/progressives when it comes to race?
Imagine what would happen to a conservative politician, via the MSM, NAACP, and all the other race-baiters out there if that politician described Obama as a “well spoken black man”. Now try and find any denouncement of Biden when he uttered that phrase in 2008.
@Richard Wheeler:
One, you did suggest that “two wrongs make a right” by bringing up NewsCorp, the owner of FoxNews, in a discussion of MSM bias. And, this is typical in a discussion/debate between a conservative and liberal concerning the MSM bias. Instead of discussing the “truthfulness” of a particular MSM outlet, on their own merits, FoxNews is always brought into the picture as some sort of justification for that MSM outlet having a liberal slant to their news.
Two, News should be about the truth, discovering it and reporting it. No “entertainment” is needed, particularly when it ends up coloring a story to influence the perception of it. Give me the truth, that is all. Unfortunately, we don’t have that, but, fortunately, we do have access to this wonderful thing called the internet, where all sorts of unvarnished facts can be found. The problem, of course, is sifting through the mountains of information relating to a particular issue/subject and gleaning the truth from it. As Mata has stated, it takes enormous amounts of time, much more than the average joe voter is willing to engage in, thus my conclusion, from above, that the average joe voter is woefully mis-, or under-, or ill-informed.
Three, My apologies on the “surrounding yourself with” comment. I didn’t mean that as those being the people you personally surrounded yourself with. My meaning was that the type of people who believe, politically, the same way you do happen to fall into those categories of race-baiters, liars, and divisive people. Certainly, overall, the average liberal is a decent person. The problem is that the most well-known, most-covered, and most outspoken members of the liberal/progressive community happen to be just as I stated.
Is it race baiting when we call out those like Sheila Jackson Lee and Maxine Waters, rich? How about the CREDO Obama SuperPAC I linked to? What you seem to forget is that the race baiting is a two way street.
As to why mention the black politicians… it’s people we admire, and would love to see more active in the conservative community as elected officials. But of course, when they are, they are called Uncle Toms by their peers. When they stay low key, conservatives are painted as a “predominately white” party, as if a black conservative is an extinct animal. Can’t win for losing when the opposition just always thinks race and social classes as their norm.
And why do you object to us naming those black Americans we admire, rich?
@johngalt:
Exactly. Liberals are far more racist than any “Conservative” I’ve known, yet they project it onto us while being totally blind to why they do it.
Others don’t care and use it as a weapon.
@MataHarley:
What I want to know is why Rich felt it necessary to discount Rubio and Jindal, two politicians I admire that are not, in fact, black. Typical liberal, always lumping everyone into a “group”, even if they don’t, exactly, fit that “group”. lol.
No Mas This is like “The Princess Bride” Enjoy the returns I’m going to the gym where life is simple.
oil guy from ALBERTA
hope you heard NEWT GINGRISH, about the KEYSTONE,,
HE WILL GET IT FROM THE BEGINNING OF HIS PRESIDENT TERM WOW what a speech
bye
LOL, cut and run.
When the going gets tough, the tough(?) get going…to the gym, it would seem.
@johngalt: #184
I look at racism this way: It ain’t my fault I was born the wrong color. I didn’t have a choice. I ain’t saying what color I am because it doesn’t matter. To some I was born the wrong color.
@Smorgasbord: It ain’t easy being green…
@Smorgasbord: Grats on 200!!
@anticsrocks: #201
It ain’t easy MAKING green either, but my financial planner has finally started making some fore me.
Smorgasbord
you might win the PRESIDENCY, with money, that seems to be the only way to get it,
if you invest in foreign market too, and destroy other opponent with it, it impress the new AMERICANS, who don’t know the difference between a true sincere leader who had endured and an arrogant AMERICAN who showed to use every lies to win no matter where it hurt no matter how ruthless he can be,his money will win,
yes I.m being cynical
bye
@ilovebeeswarzone: #204
I don’t have a whole lot of money in my IRA. I wish I would have gotten a financial planner many many years ago. They would have told me how to put money away early so that I could have retired a long time ago. I have talked with several people who did this and retired at age 50, or around that age.
For the Americans on FA, if a young person would put the amount they pay into Social Security, into a Wroth IRA instead, they would have several million dollars at age 65. Figure on Social Security and MediCare not being there when you want to retire and set up your own retirement.
Smorgasbord
yes the best advices, in the past history of AMERICA many poor would get rich by thinking of putting a bit in the box not to be touch unless, and if the unless never happened, they end up rich,
and it had to be a big unless to touch it
@ilovebeeswarzone: #206
It’s too late for me, but several years ago I read where the average millionaire is a millionaire because they lived a simple life and put there money away, lived in a simple house, drove the same car for years, etc. Look at all of the legal foreigners who come over hear and become wealthy the same way.
Back on my soapbox here folks sorry again about the length, but this has to be said over and over!
As we argue about racism, the MSM and so forth, I would like to return to something much more important and that is the complete lack of the “informed voter” or as I like to call it, “The Mind Dead Electorate”. As I have said more than once, the real problem in this country is in fact the electorate. When all is said and done, it is “We the People” who are responsible. As I said earlier in this thread, I do not completely blame our woeful excuse for a President. The facts about this moron were there for all to see if they had wished to look for them. Unfortunately, seeing the importance of an educated and informed electorate is not even deemed important by our educational system, much less the political establishment, we are now faced with the fact that our great country is on a precipice and whether folks like to hear it or not, we are in fact facing third world Socialist doom. That is fact, pure and simple!
Party affiliation doesn’t matter. One only has to look at our boy Romney as an example. How one can remotely call him a conservative is beyond me. yet the establishment entrenched Republicans and their shills are pushing this bozo, policies and record. WHY?
The facts are evident for all to see. more than half the electorate that is eligible to vote doesn’t. Yet, we have an administration that is willing to allow illegals and ineligibles to vote. Of those that do vote, they vote for the person that promises the world. They vote with their hands out. they vote for anything for which they do not have to be responsible for. The entitlement society is real and it is fostered by the entrenched scum politicians of both parties, but especially the left. i know there are folks that don’t like it when one calls a politician scum or whatever, but fact is fact. As power is all that matters, the scum in D.C. as well as the states have done everything possible to Dumb Down the American public, both in the schools and in day to day life. And a co-opted Mass Media has willfully put out the most vile propaganda to the public.
Yet, when all is said and done, the blatant racism being fostered by the left (and I am sick and tired of the “code word” argument form those clowns!), the open hostility to basic American principles and the hard core leftist Socialist propaganda that is promoting open class warfare is more than I can stand. And let’s not forget the open hostility towards not only the Jews (its blatant and hostile if one just looks) but to all religions other than Islam, where it is at the point if one says “Radical Islamic Terrorist” as in the case of the Fort Hood shooter for example, it is a hate crime. Of course, this administration, its corrupt justice department and others won’t even say the word terrorist. After all, that would be the truth and that is certainly something that is not allowed in the cesspool known as Government.
Truth is power and it is there for one to find, but one has to look for it As it is well known that there are far to many people who do not even know of or understand our history and that same history is being rewritten and bastardized by the leftist scum educating our children, it is up to the people to look past the lies and deceit and make the informed choice when going to the polls.
I lifted the following from the Political Pistachio site, but is hits the nail on the head:
James Madison and the Importance of Informed Voters:
“If it be asked what is to restrain the House of Representatives from making legal discriminations in favor of themselves and a particular class of the society? I answer, the genius of the whole system, the nature of just and constitutional laws, and above all the vigilant and manly spirit which actuates the people of America, a spirit which nourishes freedom, and in return is nourished by it.” –James Madison, Federalist No. 57, 1788
With those words, I rest my case. This country is in grave danger! It is up to the voter, We the People to rescue us from the scrap heap of history, something we are diving headlong into! As I said earlier. My beliefs come from education, an ability to look at and analyze all facets of a subject, and hopefully make an informed decision. That is my responsibility as a voter! It is a sacred right to vote and it is sad to realize that the vast majority doesn’t give a damn for anything other than what is in it for them as long as they do not have to earn it. Yes, it is a sad commentary of the state of this country, but it is fact! And the entrench clowns in office, especially the Anti-American idealist (that is my opinion!) President along with “we the People” are hastening our demise! Someone wake up before it is to late! We don’t have a lot more time left!
@joetote: Bravo. Well spoken. I don’t know what to do about it, but you have accurately described the primary problem. It’s hard for me to avoid the conclusion that America is going to have to undergo total collapse before people wake up.
joetote
yes as always, you outdo yourself on a critical issue, in the happening as we see it unfold,
very well done indeed,thank you for the info.
bye
did you read? they want to regulate SUGAR? that will drive the price of sugar way up,
and everything with sugar in it; jam sweets anything, icecream juices, so on , so on. indefinitly,
intrusion of GOVERNMENT AGAIN.
@joetote, I don’t think you’ll get any disagreement that most of us believe an ill-informed voter lies at the heart of our problems. You might even extend that “education” problem to the now inbred entitlement culture of our young.
I’m not sure what the solution is, and I don’t see any offered up in your soapbox. That’s not a criticism, rather just expounds on the difficulty of the whole scene.
Fact is, “education”, at least for learning issues and voting, has never been easier with the Internet at our fingertips. What more can one do but provide the trough filled with water for a thirsy burro? Because you sure as heck can’t force them to drink.
But I think you are taking the dark side of the voters, and underestimating the power and will of the “establishment” leadership (and respective media) of both political parties.
Take the conservative voters, for instance. You have to admire their persistence in sending the same message over and over… that not even half of the voters want another McCain compromise candidate. While they can’t rally around one in particular fully, they are sending the message of any one but the granddaddy of O’healthcare.
Another good sign is that, whether you agree with Newt or not, the man has singled handedly absorbed the big guns of negative ads, and still the 2nd front runner. This suggests that the conservative voters are, indeed, doing their homework and the negative ads that skew the truth (putting it mildly) are not affecting them in a full swell swoop fashion.
That’s good news.
As to the lib/prog base, even the 2008 contentious primary between Obama and Hillary also lends some credit to them doing their own research. Their beliefs and view of what they want America to be – i.e. a Euro-socialist state – doesn’t really play into the education aspect when it comes to voting. That’s just a political belief that separates the two major parties. But you can say much of that entitlement culture can be laid at the feet of public education for the past 4-5 decades.
So in some ways, voters are indeed “educating” themselves more than they are credited for. Unfortunately their “teachers” and library are the media… who themselves have a problem with accurate history and journalistic ethics.
@joetote: #208
You reminded me of the, “Declaration of Independence from King Obama.” Somebody spent a lot of time writing it. I copy and pasted it and sent it to King Obama. I’m going to send it to my Federal reps too. I suggest you all do the same. Pass it on to others to send to their reps. FA comments doesn’t accept color text, or I don’t know how to do it, so you will have to copy and paste it into your word processor and change the colors. PLEASE DO THIS BEFORE YOU READ IT.
Save the version I am sending. If you send it to your reps through their web email, the text will be in black only. I suggest putting the below note with the declaration:
The below text is in black because your system doesn’t accept color text. BEFORE READING THE BELOW DOCUMENT, please go through and change the text to the appropriate colors.
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>>>>GREEN>>>> Means to change the color on the right to that color.
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He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within. <<<<BLUE<<<>>>BLUE>>>> He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone <<<<BLUE<<<>>>BLUE>>>> He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance. <<<<BLUE<<<>>>BLUE>>>> He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation: <<<<BLUE<<<>>>BLUE>>>> For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent: <<<<BLUE<<<>>>BLUE>>>> For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these <<<<BLUE<<<>>>RED>>>> States: <<<<RED<<<>>>BLUE>>>> For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us. <<<<BLUE<<<>>>GREEN>>>> In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A <<<<GREEN<<<>>>RED>>>> politician <<<<RED<<<>>>GREEN>>>> whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.
Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our <<<<GREEN<<<>>>RED>>>> Politicians <<<<RED<<<>>>GREEN>>>> We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. <<<<GREEN<<<>>>BLUE>>>> They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. <<<<BLUE<<<>>>GREEN>>>> We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends. <<<<GREEN<<<>>>RED States <<<<RED<<<>>>BLUE>>>> That these United <<<<BLUE<<<>>>RED>>>> States <<<<RED<<<>>>BLUE>>>> are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the <<<<BLUE<<<>>>RED>>>> Obama <<<<RED<<<>>>BLUE>>>> Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of <<<<BLUE<<<>>>RED>>>> King Obama, <<<<RED<<<>>>BLUE>>>> is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor. <<<<BLUE<<<<
SCARRY, ISN’T IT!
@ilovebeeswarzone: #211
The sugar industry researched this and found the problem. The sugar industry isn’t donating enough to King Obama. They are in the process of raising enough money so that King Obama will declare there product a safe product. If they can raise enough, sugar will be declared a HEALTHY product and bowls of it will be places on every school lunchroom table.
Smorgasbord
this is quite a text from far down the origins of this AMERICA,
SO VERY IMPORTANT AS THE DOOR ARE WIDE OPEN FOR THE DANGEROUS ONE TO COME IN,
and be welcome by the leaders,
thank you for giving it to us to learn of what solution is there,
bye
@ilovebeeswarzone: #215
I sat back most of my life and let the politicians do what they have done to my country. I am trying to make up for it by being involved in the Tea Party movement, letting my politicians who how I feel about issues, and either trying to come up with ways to help the country, or pass on ideas others have.
Thanks for the comments.
Mata,
I realize I didn’t present solutions per say, but i hope i identified what i feel is one of the main problems today. I guess off the top of my head the main solution would be for “We the People” to retake control of our government, our schools and take responsibility for everything our founding fathers gave us. So many people have given their all and look how badly we are treating it.
Bees,
as always, thanks for your great support. We must all speak and practice the obvious and hopefully we’ll make some headway.
Smorgasboard,
love that! Thanks!
John Cooper,
We are on the edge of that collapse as is well evidenced by everything one sees, again, that is provided one looks for the facts. as Mata said and I have opined more than once. The information is there, especially in this day of the internet. One only has to look. but we better be quick about it because my gut says this administration and the powers that be would love nothing better than to censure and/or withhold that very information from the electorate. Information is power and they know it, thus the lies and propaganda.
Finally all and again a little longer than I planned. In this thread I have tried to remind everyone of why I believe and how the founding fathers, faith, education and so on have formed those beliefs. I fervently am thankful for the founding fathers and what they gave us1 Yet as we have all said, there are folks in power who are more than willing to sacrifice everything this nation stands for and in fact are openly hostile to our basic principles and ideas. Below are some quotes from Justice Ruth Ginsberg she made in a speech to a group in Egypt. Talk about a far left, Anti-American agenda and in fact something that I for one feel is on the edge of open disdain for our founders and our ideas? Read the below! I pulled this from the Right Wing news site, William Teach, but its all over the news (again, if one looks because I sure as hell haven’t seen it in the MSM!)
“I can’t speak about what the Egyptian experience should be, because I’m operating under a rather old constitution. The United States, in comparison to Egypt, is a very new nation, and yet we have the oldest written constitution still in force in the world.”
And the big pull, around the 2:27 mark
“You should certainly be aided by all the constitution-writing that has gone one since the end of World War II. I would not look to the US constitution, if I were drafting a constitution in the year 2012. I might look at the constitution of South Africa. That was a deliberate attempt to have a fundamental instrument of government that embraced basic human rights, had an independent judiciary… It really is, I think, a great piece of work that was done. Much more recent than the US constitution – Canada has a Charter of Rights and Freedoms. It dates from 1982. You would almost certainly look at the European Convention on Human Rights. Yes, why not take advantage of what there is elsewhere in the world?”
Once again, open disdain for our Constitution and this from a Justice of the Supreme Court! And do not think for one moment that this President, most on the left and more than a few on the right do not agree with this! They are in fact marching lockstep with her in their open disdain for our founding principles. And it is “We the People” that pay the price for their and for that matter our own follies!