Beating Barack Obama and ending the damage he can do to this country is one of the most important tasks facing this country. Much to my chagrin, many of my fellow conservatives are all to willing to do Obama’s bidding in taking down Mitt Romney. What does that leave?
Newt Gingrich?
Unlike Mitt Romney, who occasionally beats President Obama in general election poll match ups, Newt Gingrich trails far behind President Obama in every survey. But just how bad are Gingrich’s unfavorable among the general public compared to Obama and Romney?
Not every poll releases their full results, so here are the most recent favorability results I could find for Obama, Romney, and Newt.
Fox News, 1/12-1/14:
Obama, fav/unfav, 51%/46%, +5
Romney, fav/unfav, 45%/38%, +7
Gingrich, fav/unfav, 27%/56%, -29CBS/NYT, 1/12-1/17:
Obama, fav/unfav, 38%/45%, -7
Romney, fav/unfav, 21%/35%, -14
Gingrich, fav/unfav, 17%/49%, -32PPP, 1/13-1/17:
Obama, app/dis, 47%/50%, -3
Romney, fav/unfav, 35%/53%, -18
Gingrich, fav/unfav, 26%/60%, -34America does not love Romney, but boy do they hate Newt.
Electability is the key here. None of us is going to find our ideal candidate. But Newt Gingrich is NOT going to be President. Not ever. He is not temperamentally suited to be President. Between his global warming commercial with Nancy Pelosi his reference to Paul Ryan’s plans as “social engineering” shows that he shoots off his mouth without thinking and does alarmingly stupid things.
Gingrich could be a real force for a campaign but he is never going to be President. He is too polarizing. He is too widely disliked.
Supporting Gingrich is supporting Barack Obama. This isn’t about what I want. This is about reality.
You are right electability is a key. However Romney is pro illegal. Since illegal means against the law, he has no respect for the law of the land. Romneycare. The obamadeathcare law was fashioned after this. Taxes. If you check into romney’s record, he had increased spending and taxes. Income tax returns. He will or maybe he won’t release them. I think we have that problem now. IF you have nothing to hide, you will share. Caymen islands. I could only wish that I had so much money I would have to put it in many banks, especially an off shore account. His platform. Frankly I haven’t heard very much as to what he would do to bring this country back. How about jobs, how about letting GM and the other companies sink on their own, repeal insane laws inacted by barry, etc etc. Romney looks to me like the bully that once someone says something that he can’t respond, he will either go home and take the ball with him or freeze and cringe. He just does not seem to be someone that can get the country back on track. I think he is all bravado. Maybe some think because he wears expensive suits, has nice hair and is nice on the eyes that qualifies him to be president, but I do not.
Gingrich. I am not sure about him. However I couldn’t care less about his ex wife and the allegations. Remember Herman Cain? Did you find it strange that after he dropped out the allegations stopped? What a crock.
I do hope that whoever is the candidate will press Barry for his past records, because you know darn well he will. If you look at how barry got into the Illinois senate, he dug down and using the Chicago machine had sealed records opened. .
The bottom line for me is, I want my country back.
Funny thing is that something like half the people who voted for Newt in SC did so because they perceived him as the most electable. Guess they’ll get a rude awakening if he actually gets the nomination.
I’m starting to warm up to Newt, but the paraphrase the author; I will NOT vote for Romney, NOT ever. And the right is all to capable of “social engineering” just as the left is. The term “polarizing” IMO is not relevant, the nation, is and for 99.5% of it’s history always been “polarized”. What we NEED is a pol to serve as the opposite “pole” lest we become “unipolar” which has never been good for any society.
I don’t recall previous primaries being decided by debate performances versus campaign speeches and meet-and-greets, but it seems this is the new vehicle for winning elective office.
“The View” only with candidates instead of “guests.”
I supported Perry because I thought (and still do) that he the best complete package. He ran a state that’s larger than most nations, he had to work with those on the other side of the aisle, he had well documented record of achievement, a stable marriage, he won reelection several times AND HE HAD TO BALANCE A BUDGET.
But Perry was a lousy debater. (Time…to…gooooooo!).
Perry endorsed Gingrich and I think he was smart to do so. The writer of this article talks about electability, but AT THIS POINT IN TIME it seems rather clear that what republicans want is………………………………..
someone who can destroy Obama (with teleprompter) in a national televised debate.
That’s what we want right now, and the absolutely stunning rise in Gingrich’s support in the course of mere days after Newt slayed the media in that debate gave these Primary voters the Red Meat they were looking for.
Should Newt win the nomination, I think it would be presumptuous to think millions of moderates won’t relish that Red Meat too.
Remember: The Republican Nominee already has the ANYBODY BUT OBAMA vote.
Red Meat: A little dab’ll do ya.
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@Disenchanted:
How does Romney’s stance differ from Gingrinch on the issue of immigration?
Both candidates are behaving as politicians, walking the tightrope of not alienating conservative voters for the primary and all Americans for the general:
Thomas Sowell:
Mitt Romney on immigration
Attracting the Best and the Brightest
Newt Gingrich on immigration
Contract with America Legislative Proposal #6: Control the Border By January 1, 2014
I just don’t trust polls. Obama’s unpopular because his actions can’t be concealed by the leftist media the way his background was. Newt is the only candidate bold enough to make it part of the public debate.
Newt is hated by the informed hard left for obvious reasons. They’ll never vote for him. He’s hated by some on the hard right because they choose not to forgive his blunders. These folks would fight through a blizzard to vote for him against Obama. He’s hated by many old RINOs in the congress because he walked over them, made them members of the majority and gave them time in the spotlight. Republicans of the old school would rather be comfortably in the minority role, sitting on committees where they can accept tribute for giving large businesses laws which will make their competitors less competitive. The public doesn’t like these people enough to care what they think. The MSM hates him too, and they will be a problem if we nominate him. These folks are pretty good at what they do and the journolist cabal will burn the midnight oil finding his vulnerabilities. On the other hand, they’ll do the same for ANY candidate we choose.
Something I really like about Newt is that he’s bold. He will say and do things which are politically incorrect. Unfortunately, this makes him a scary candidate to back. He takes big swings at his opponents and this leaves him open to counterattacks, especially when his punches are off the mark (Bain Capital?).
My hope is that Newt can convince the masses of uninvolved folks who are feeling discontent with the status quo to show up at the polls. No other candidate can be as inspiring. None that are running, that is. Once The cancidates are set, I think Newt can convince america he’s worth electing. The polls be damned.
@Wordsmith<
Reagan did amnesty because the democrat congress promised to tighten the borders, a promise they never kept. But on the subject of immigration, there are some on the right that this seems to be the only issue. My question to them is, when did we erase these words on the Statue of Liberty:
Yes, there are people that are here illegally. But the immigration process is broke. Yes, there are people here illegally that have broken laws and these are the ones that need to be deported. Those that have been here, not broken laws, and contributed to society need to be viewed differently.
As for the Romney being electable and Newt being unelectable, I call BS. The democrats had the same issue in 1992 with Clinton. The “bimbo eruptions” pushed Clinton’s favorability ratings down, but in the end, it was the economy and Ross Perot. Maybe AlGor will run third party. Let’s start a petition.
Personally, I don’t want a milquetoast president. I like Newt because he is the smartest guy in the race. He’s an idea man. Everyone makes mistakes. The global warming position was a mistake. He has backed off from that position. I don’t really think Romney is that electable. The democRats have said they WANT to run against Romney. They are afraid of Gingrich, just as they were afraid of Palin who was far more qualified to sit in the White House than Obama ever will be. The one they attack the most is who they fear the most. DemocRats only know the politics of personal destruction. They are, first and foremost, socialists. It’s in their DNA.
Provided he wins, Obama vs Newt, what a crap choice for Americans to have to make.
BTW, did anyone think that Barack Obama was electable? How did that happen? A completely unaccomplished empty suit gets elected president. Only one reason…because he’s black. Any white candidate with his resume would NEVER have received the support of the democRat party in such a way. Joe Biden, as dumb as he is, said it right…”he’s clean, he’s articulate”…that’s why people voted for him. He wasn’t like Sharpton or Jackson. He was more white than black in the way he spoke, although he can turn the “ebonics” on and off at will. People voted for him because they projected their hopes and dreams on a blank canvas. If he can be elected with no history, no anal exam by the media and no accomplishments, other than getting elected to something by clearing the playing field, Gingrich should be a shoe-in.
You guys that are against “social engineering” should check out Newt’s record; his one consistency in office is his narcissistic “big ideas” as the savior of the world. He is as “progressive” as O, and more sincerely a disciple of Teddy Roosevelt. He’s a good debater partly because he’s quick-witted and self-confident, but also partly because THE MAN WILL SAY ANYTHING OFF THE CUFF, even if it’s 180 degrees different fro
what his own published position. Like O, it’s all a cute and fun hubristic game.
Having a great (even sociopathically dishonest) debater in the race is great fun, but if we let our frustrations with O be satisfied by such primal gut reaction, we play right into O’s hands. We frankly need to keep our eyes on the purpose of electing someone who will GOVERN well, and fellers, Newt ain’t that. If he gets the GOP nomination, O will more likely win. If Newt becomes President, get ready for ” big ideas” II (O has given us “Big Ideas I”) along with hypocrisy, contradiction, and ammo for the left to regain Congress in 2014. When that bappens, will you be satisfied re-running fun clips from the old 2011 O-Newt debate? I hope so, ’cause that’s all you’ll have.
I love the “temperament” argument. Totally baseless, often regurgitated just like the argument Reagan was going to push the world to the edge of nuclear armageddon due to his “temperament” or bumbling idiocy. A true sign of desperation.
Oh, before I go, how many points was Romney up on Gingrich before the debate going in to South Carolina? How many points did Romney actually win by? Oh wait. I’m sorry. Romney didn’t win. My bad.
Those polls said……….
Jarhead68
hi,
yes, I don’t understand those who attack him for having IDEAS, THAT WAS THE MOST STUPID THING I EVER HERD,
THANK GOD for ideas, otherwise is robots, nothing in between,
the wrong ideas are to be fought and the good are a success story,, and NEWT HAS DECIDED TO RUN FOR THE RIGHT REASON, TO GET AMERICA RID OF THE TRASH, AND IT WILL TAKE IDEAS ON HOW TOO BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF TRASH ACCUMULATED THESE LAST YEARS, THAT WILL TAKE LOTS OF IDEAS AND HE HAS THEM,
SO it is positive to see him come out on top, it tell me that AMERICANS ARE ALSO STARTING TO HAVE IDEAS AND PERCEPTION ON WHAT’S BEST FOR AMERICA, A PRESIDENT WITH GOOD IDEAS FOR AMERICANS OR A PRESIDENT WHO HAVE IDEAS FOR HIMSELF.
Romney is the ideal candidate for the Democrats. He can’t run against Obamacare because he won’t disavow Romneycare. We already know that Obama is going to run on class warfare and a rich white guy who made a fortune on Wall Street is the ideal target. The union led OWS protests were all about battlefield preparation by the Left.
I don’t much like the choices we have, but Newt is the one who is fighting the hardest against Obama and his hand-maidens in the MSM. The independents who bought the hope and change crap won’t be fooled again. Ask them if they would vote for Obama again? I know my brother-in-law, a Perot voter won’t.
DrJ, I hafta disagree with you on this. Newt is highly electable, the SC primary proved that.
How does Mitt, as the nominee stand on the stage with Obama and answer questions about socialized medicine when he can’t even answer a question about his own taxes?
How does Romney, after running for President since 2008 and still unable to get beyond 35% of the vote garner enough support to beat Obama.
Americans will respond to a clear alternative every time, but when faced with the lesser of two evils, more often than not, the incumbent stays in office. He might be one of the “evils” to choose from, but he is a known quantity. In the case of Obama, that just might not work as easily for him, but then again he isn’t going to run on his record. He is taking the Truman campaign tack of running against a “do nothing” Congress. With Reid in the Senate to insure that no GOP led bills are voted on, it makes it easier for Obama to do that.
Newt will effectively counter that, but Romney never could.
MARINEBRYANT
HI,
YOU ALSO HAVE TO MAKE DU WITH WHAT YOU GOT,,
if it was an election to beat the opponent it would be easier , but this is an election to beat an organization of power games for only themselves, so it take a person with demolishing tools and know how to get trough the layers of dormant poisonous materials having been covered with sugar by the MEDIA ARMED TO THEIR TEETH WITH LIES
bye
Romney would lose in November. Like McCain he’d be sweet and nice to Barack in the debates and the media would applaud him for his “maturity”. Gingrich will kick Obama in the groin. I want a fighter. I’m tired of the Doles, Bushes, McCains, and Fords.
The media and the left (but I repeat myself) have played down and dirty for years…and they think it’s just fine…when a Republican says anything tough that approaches the truth…we are “racist”. No more. I want Newt, and I want him to gouge them in the eyes, kick them where their children came from, and bite off their ears.
Romeny is prissy. If he’s the nominee millions are going to vote third party. But that elects Obama you say??? Nominating Romney elects Obama anyway. I want a war.
Hey Doc You and I may have to get a room.lol
To my fellow MARINES Jarhead and Danang 67(I was there in 67) who love red meat Newt; Don’t think he’ll ever fly with a majority of American voters
Semper Fi Look for Rubio in 2016
Well, I guess that Todd and Sarah are wrong, Chuck Norris, the majority of Tea Party Patriots in their straw poll, and the 100 or so TP “leaders” than have endorsed Newt are wrong. I guess the SC voters are wrong. And I guess all of us who don’t dutifully fall into line behind another “McCain” moderate candidate are also wrong. A consistent 66-75% of voters who wanted anyone-but-Romney must also be wrong.
I guess that takes care of the sour grapes headline by Conn Carroll that “America hates Newt Gingrich”:. LOL Of course, I read Carroll’s column yesterday… and it was written two days ago. Prior to the SC thrashing. Nor does Carroll provide the dates used for the data he puts in his graph. But one thing is certain in this topsy turvy primary… nothing is static, and Romney’s coronation has been postponed.
What’s admitted by pretty much everyone is that none of us are thrilled with the political menu of candidates. But it is what it is, and we’ll have to run with it. But it’s sure not a time when we go for another milquetoast candidate, as Jarhead says above.
It’s always been apparent that Romney is the Obama heir-apparent preferred choice, by both the Obama campaign and the media. Regardless of the legalities of Bain Capital, having a “fat cat”, as Obama likes to call the wealthy, as his opponent plays perfectly into this strategy. And even tho hostile takeovers are also legal, and a savvy move for a VC to make money for his investors, you can bet the Dems won’t be parading Staples employees in front of the cameras, but those who lost their livelihood for the other type of deals.
Romney is Obama’s manna from heaven.
Establishment Republicans and pundits? They must be rolling in their grave. How dare the voting masses question their McCain replacement. They are supposed to know best. They’ve played their best herd mentality cards, building up Mittens as the anointed one who can’t lose. Funny they don’t want to admit he can’t debate his way out of a corner, even when challenged by his own peers. Amazing that some say he’s a great debater when what he usually does is not answer the question, and steers it into a realm where he feels comfortable.
Odd that they want to put the quintessential architect of O’healthcare up against the guy who used his plan as the template, just because today he says he wants to repeal it… that only the states should be able to pass a mandate. Hasn’t anyone figured out that the mandate idea at national or state level is not acceptable to the majority of citizens? Heritage’s economists made the case for the mandate in the late 80s/early 90s. Their Constitutionalists have since reversed their official stance… uh oh… someone changed their mind! How dastardly.
I will still scratch my head in wonderment at those who attempt to distance Newt from the achievements of the Republican Congress in the mid 90s. I’ve even seen those who are attempting to convince people that Santorum had more to do with the Contract With America than Newt did. ???
Instead come the anti-Newt talking points… the predictable “run out by his own party” and a “disgrace” portrayal. Few speak of the Gingrich leadership and accomplishments in the 90s. Few remember that Newt bucked Bush the elder on his tax increases. I was listening to Chris Christie trying to push that line today on MTP… saying that Newt has no experience in working to get things done in a volatile climate.
????
Maybe Chris Christie was too busy with his law firm, or ramping up to his lobbyist career, to pay attention to the accomplishments of the House under Newt, and in tandem a slim majority Senate and Democrat POTUS. But that statement begs “the suspension of disbelief”. Speaking of “lobbyist”, I guess we can be assured that Mittens, condemning any “lobbyist” – supposedly Newt – as a POTUS means that he won’t be picking Christie as a running mate. Unless, of course, it’s just the usual Mittens doublespeak.
There is no doubt that Newt was hated by not only the Dems, but most of his own peers as well. Some hated his “big ideas”, and what they considered his arrogant personality. Others hated him because he flea market bargained with Clinton, and actually came out with deals that were at least better for the right than the left. No one had been able to get the Dems to accept tax cuts.
During the run up to the 1998 midterms, the Dems were assaulting Newt with the ethics charges, and the Republicans were making impeachment of Clinton a public issue on the campaign trail. With Dems portraying the Republicans as petty and interfering in Clinton’s personal life, PLUS the public trial-by-media perception that the Speaker was corrupt… even tho innocent of the charges… Republicans felt they had to politically lynch Newt to redeem themselves as a party.
All but one charge against Newt was dropped. For the last, the investigator thought Newt was guilty, the committee disagreed. What was decided was to reprimand/punish Newt with the fine in exchange for the Republicans hoping that “scandal” would go away. It was a political “settlement”. A year later, the IRS themselves concluded that that Newt’s organizations did not violate federal tax laws.
Pity that the Republicans wouldn’t back Newt, just as they didn’t back Cain in this primary from his accusers. But then, they are so busy trying to prop up a candidate they think will appease the Dems.
But I find it really hypocritical that those who went to bat for Palin and her false ethics accusations prefer to just dismiss Newt’s similar path over a decade ago. Palin is very much like Newt in that she also worked across the aisle to get things done in Alaska, and was hated by both parties for the same method. Hated or not, both have achievements for their leadership. Perhaps the Palin’s see that parallel themselves.
No one with an ounce of honesty in them can legitimately remove Newt from the achievements of the mid 90s Republican Congress without completely revising history in order to benefit Romney … but I can see they are going to bring up the same tired political lynching arguments to, once again, make Newt a scapegoat.
But it appears that’s not going to fly this time. Because America doesn’t have to adore Newt. What they have to do is trust him to figure out a way to reverse the direction Obama, Pelosi and Reid have set, and not cave in to enormous pressure he will face from both the Democrats AND the Republicans in doing so. Newt has demonstrated he has not only done that, but he takes all the expected punches standing up. He’s risen from the political dead three times now, and been labeled a “pariah” by some.
But it appears that America doesn’t “hate” Newt at all… and they just may like the fact that he’s willing to be assailed, but will still stand his ground. Even the SC Christian voters were willing to put the nation’s economy ahead of their traditional “family values”, throwing their weight behind Newt instead of Santorum. That revelation is huge for any acquainted with traditional SC politics.
Any GOP nominee is guaranteed to be Obama’s punching bag. Personally, I think street fighter Gingrich can not only hold his own, but expose Obama’s weak campaign strategy as the redressed hope/change BS that it is. As they’ve learned, debates matter… and I’m quite sure that Newt – the walking encyclopedia – will make Obama and his TOTUS look like the whining, inept school boy.
Richard Wheeler
hi,
you where there in 67, now you are here, and complete different scenario for 2012
bye
Ya know, that’s what you lib/progs tell us over and over. You simply prove the point that Romney is the favored target to beat. I figured that out by the time I had posted that if the bipartisan hatred for Newt was any measure, he was just the guy for the job. All of those, who’s opinions mean the least to me, hate him. LOL
Gingrich is unstable, he’s nitroglycerin, and Obama;s Chicago Machine knows how to jostle him just right to make him explode at the opportune time. Even if by some miracle he made it to the White House, it would be a chaotic presidency that does more damage to the GOP that Bush destroying capitalism in order to save it did.
The whole GOP field sucks. Another hold my nose and vote election…
I’m no advocate fir Romney nor attack dog on Newt, just one who wants the federal government to move toward its enunciated Constitutional structure. Sometimes seems the emotional and competitive investment in races stars to wag the dog. I’m not convinced that, other than his welare position, which was the real success of his Speakership term, Newt us a small gov’t guy; he’s the “big ideas” guy who sees the gov’t as tbe tool to play out his genius on, a classic TR/Wilson Progressive.
Ignorance of Newt’s true big government record due to dominance of the old false Clinton mantra on him as a dangerous heartless conservative.
Some factors affecting Newt’s SC Primary victory that haven’t been referenced here (not saying oters aren’t also present and more significant):
1) Newt did his groundwork in SC very well;
2) The conservative rebel wing “anybody but Romney” folks;
3) Santorum seen as not ready for the next big stage/step yet;
4) the sheer fun of Gingrich in debate, and the unprecedented prolific debate emphasis this cycle;
5) Free narketers contradicting tbeir own principles in favor of populist class warfare manipulation;
6) Fundanentalist Christians and atheists/agnostics aligning with fear/disgust against Romney’s weird religion (any of y’all go to Boadway this year?);
7) Backlash against the media’s attempt to kill Gingrich with the last minute ex-wife story and the start of the last debate there with it; and
When a country spends 10 billion and takes in 6 billion per day, grade 2 math will tell you that you are in big trouble. You don’t need 45 illegal czars to figure this out.
Dr. J used what pollsters? PPP, CBS/NYT, and wishy washy Fox. Last week I saw polls destroyed in a minimum of 3 hours. I trust Rasmussen, Gallup somewhat, and a combination of others. I never trust polls taken from in the tank media. Polls are still estimates.
The people of S Carolina chose their Republican candidate and told the MSM and political experts to take a hike. Let me guess- Romney is losing his huge lead in the polls in Florida. Who looks unelectable now? Why haven’t Paul and the Paultards thrown in the towel?
Silverfiddle
hi, some nitro will be the right coolaid to be given in DEBATES AND NEWT HAS PROVEN TO KNOW
HOW TO TREAT HIS GUEST,
YOU SAY MANY WORDS BUT YOU DON’T EXPLAIN WHY IS HE THIS OR THAT, SO FAR SO GOOD FOR HIM AND DON’T OVER ESTIMATE THE OBAMA ,HE HAS NOTHING TO SUPPORT HIS WORDS ANYMORE AND AMERICANS KNOW IT NOW,
BYE
EL Guapo
hi, yes NOBODY IS PERFECT, AND NOBODY’S WORTHY TO THROW THE STONE AT NEWT, but it’s all for the big cause which is WINNING BACK AMERICA, BY THE PEOPLE, FOR THE PEOPLE,
AND JOBS FOR ALL AMERICANS OF GOOD WILL, WHERE EVER THEY ARE, WHOEVER THEY ARE
BEST TO YOU
oil guy from ALBERTA
HI, WAS IN IT A GOOD SHOW? AND this is just the beginning,right,
we want more
bye
Re your # 20: Bravo! Well spoken. (The Reply thingie isn’t working.) You think Newt will invite Sarah to be his VP? That would make some heads explode…like Karl Rove’s.
Oh, speaking of Christie, he’s volunteered his services as VP to Mittens. Syncophant!
@anticsrocks: ‘Newt is highly electable, the SC primary proved that.’
Did it? He did about as well in SC as Romney did in NH… and Romney has at least done well in all three contests rather than getting two fourth places along with one first. But I don’t think anyone really doubts that Newt can carry the southeast; he’s long been popular there (at one point, before any votes had been cast, he was polling over 60% in Georgia). Now, how do you think he’ll do in Minnesota and for that matter all of the upper Midwest? Confrontational style doesn’t play so well there.
Anyway, he should be able to scoop up all of Florida’s delegates next (and I wonder whether anyone will even try to take him on there). After that I’ll be curious to see whether he has the organization to do well in Nevada, Maine, and Minnesota. If Romney takes all of those then I expect he can beat Gingrich on points in the end; if Gingrich manages to pull off an upset in a caucus state then I’d take it as a sign that he might be able to seize the nomination.
@oil guy: ‘Dr. J used what pollsters? PPP, CBS/NYT, and wishy washy Fox. Last week I saw polls destroyed in a minimum of 3 hours.’
The PPP polling for SC (their last poll, after the debate and before the voting, 1-18 thru 1-20) was almost dead on. Yes, the guys running the company are Democrats. They apparently still try to do as good a job at actual polling as they can. Of course the broader point that things can change in a hurry is still valid.
How many elections has Romney won? How many elections has Gingrich won? Subtract Romney’s number (1) for what ever multiple that is Gingrich. That is electablity. Gingrich is a fighter, Romney is a manager.
John Cooper
hi, I ‘m starting to feel the uplifting movement of hope in AMERICANS, already
paying attention to the race, and IT WAS BECAUSE OF NEWT, PRETTY SOON
AMERICA WILL RISE TO MOMENT, WHAT A PARTY IT WILL BE.
BYE
John Cooper, actually when Curt followed up my Dec 6th post on the bipartisan hatred of Newt with his own, I had laughingly suggested that if you really wanted to see the heads-that-be whirl, Newt should pick Palin as his Veep. I figure a Newt/Sarah ticket would push many over the edge…. and that might be worth the price of admission.
But to answer your question, no… I don’t think Newt would offer Palin the Veep slot, but I’m darned sure that Palin would have a spot in his administration. While she’d be good as Energy Sec’y, I’d say she’d wield more power as the head of the EPA.
And I’d still pay money to see Ron Paul appointed as Treasury Secretary.
Funny that Christie volunteered himself. I heard him say the “if called” bit, but also stressed he was likely to stay as NJ Gov. Had he listened to Mittens, stating that no lobbyist is fit to be POTUS, he’d know that Mittens can’t offer him the Veep slot without looking like the hypocrite he is.
Oh, another falsehood, new talking point for Mittens.. that Newt has never owned a business or had employees. Surely Mittens can’t be this stupid. Even the Washington Post has had a couple of articles on how Newt went from political flame out to private sector successful entrepreneur.
Newt has had five for profit holdings, and four nonprofits. Surely health care think tanks, booking agencies, a company that handles royalties, a book and publishing company and his communications company aren’t all one man endeavors with no employees. If so, how did his non profit, American Solutions, continue on without him? Robots in the building?
The non profits also require employees.
Such a claim is so easily dismissed that it’s embarrassing that Romney would even attempt that direction. In fact, another WaPo article notes that Gingrich earned $2.5 million in 2009
Bees #32: “I ‘m starting to feel the uplifting movement of hope in AMERICANS”.
That’s exactly how I felt. Romney won’t turn anything around, but maybe Newt will.
Newt has written 23 books of which 13 have hit the best sellers list( NYT). Whats the Bamster got- 2 books with the theme( you gotta be me) and probably ghost written. Your Clown in Chief has not been vetted and the majority of his policies have been abject failures. I paraphrase Mark Levin- Obama is a low hanging fruit cake.
Have you seen the latest Media ploy? Newt is now a bigot and a racist. That crap is starting up again. Please have some left wing moderator bring this up at a debate.
I do not suggest Newt is anything other than bright. I just think Newt has so much historical baggage and such high negatives that he cannot win. His winning a deeply red state all hyped on Newt pistol whipping a CNN anchor is no indication of the general electorate. In addition I tend to hold little regard for the left’s advice as to which candidate the GOP ought to field.
Funny ow McCain was ahead of Obama at this point in the polls by the same amount.
Polls at this point of one candidate over another are meaningless.
And wan”t Reagan supposedly un-electable
I have to disagree with this.
I will be happy to be wrong about this.
DrJohn
HI
you said NEWT had so much historical baggage, and such high negative,
ya hhhhh, and we want to know more of it,
thank you for reminding us,
bye
I look forward to some Obama-Gingrich head to head polls.
Don’t you think that’s trivializing Newt’s consistent debate performances not only in the past, but especially on Monday and Thursday, drj? You assume it was only the responses to Juan Williams and John King that did it? Yes, they got standing ovations – a historic first for primary debates – but you’re insulting the SC voters if you suggest that two quips, emptying the verbal magazine back at the moderators, was their big reason for supporting Newt. I’m not guessing that the SC voters are that shallow. In fact, only 42% of Newt’s supporters said that the debates were a factor in their decision.
In fact, over all, only 13% said debates were the “most important” and 51% saying “important”. 34% said it was either minor, or not a factor at all.
The SC exit poll reveals that electability and the right experience were high in their decisions. For electability, Newt had 51% to Romney’s 37%. The right experience for the job had Newt at 49% to Romney’s 34%. 97% of them cited they were worried about the ecomony.
Somehow I’m not seeing taking it to the media as high on their list…
And here’s something that’s going to interfere with the Ron Paul talking points…21% of all those in the exit poll (2381 responders total , or 920 of them) were veterans. They went 39% for Gingrich, and 32% for Romney.
Ron “the military supports me more than other candidates” Paul? 14%. Santorum got more support than Paul did. Perry was last with 1%, but he dropped out of the primary prior to the vote.
ooops… that’s gonna leave a mark…. LOL Especially in a huge military base state with over 104,000 military personnel.
Here’s another inconvenient fact. To the question, “Would you support Romney if he were the nominee?” Just a little over half – 57% - of Romney supporters said yes, enthusiastically. Seems just a little less than half of them are settling for chopped liver, and don’t mind admitting so. Of the Newt supporters, only 30% would support him enthusiastically. Another 30% said nope… no way.
38% of Ron Pauls supporters *also* said no way, Jose. Santorum’s supporters weren’t too thrilled either.
Needless to say, when it comes to SC, Romney is in big trouble.
And it’s become very obvious that Carroll’s little blog ditty is out of date, and that “America” does not hate Newt.
mata
hi,
I’m anxious to feel the tingle in my legs FOR NEWT GINGRISH, AT THE END; like MATHIEW FELT FOR OBAMA IN 2008, BYE
MATA THE 1666 PERRY GOT, DOES IT ADD UP TO GINGRISH?
EDIT
PERRY SAID HE WAS GIVING HIS SUPPORTERS TO HIM, SO THE VOTES THEY GAVE SHOULD BY RIGHT GO TO GINGRICH YES?
Ms. Bees Careful with that tingle Bees. Newt gets word he’ll make you wife #4.
Congrats Pats. Go Niners.
This worries me
& http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_gingrich_vs_obama-1453.html ;a
drjohn
what do they know, they where betting on RONMEY ALSO,
there is the factor unpredicteble nobody can figure,
bye
Richard Wheeler,
great idea, that would get me in the WHITE HOUSE,
and I would bring my FA friend to help him.
we would call it FA CZARDS
OR FLOPPING ACES CZARDS SOUNDS GOOD FOR MASTERS OF THE WORLDS
bye
As I have said before, a poll like this means diddly squat. McCain was up by 10 points or more at the same time in the lastr election.
Basing decision of polls always leads to disaster
Stix
hi,
beside who else can win OBAMA IF THEY SAY HE CANNOT.
BYE
Bees I’.m sure you’d make a wonderful 1st Lady and you gotta be better looking than Callista.
Dr J. Newt’s negatives among all but the rabid right,and select indies like Mata and J.G., are gonna sink him.Dems couldn’t ask for a better opponent.
Larry’s suggestion that it’s not too late for more electable candidates like Bush,Ryan,Rubio etc should not be dismissed out of hand.
@Mata: ‘And it’s become very obvious that Carroll’s little blog ditty is out of date, and that “America” does not hate Newt.’
All we’ve seen is that South Carolina doesn’t hate him (and I’ll also give you Georgia, Florida, North Carolina, Alabama based on polling and common folkways). Of course ‘hate’ was always over the top; there’s a big difference between having a negative impression of someone and ‘hating’ them.
I remember hearing people say Reagan cannot win becuase he was too far to the right.
Polls at this stage mean absolutely nothing. The only polls that count are the ones in the primaries and cauki. The pitting of one candidate over Obama now is meaningless.
We can put up a chia pet against Obama and proibaly win , unless the economy makes a miraculous turn before NOV.
I would take any of the GOP candidates, except Ron Paul, to go against Obama and win.
@DrJohn44: yes, the RCP average has him down about ten points against Obama. Of course Gerald Ford was down thirty points to Carter at one point and only lost by a small margin.
Does anyone know whether it’s normal for a generic Republican to poll better against Obama than any of the actual, specific Republicans? Because that’s what we’re seeing, and I’m trying to figure out whether this is just a normal weirdness of human perception, or whether it’s actual evidence of a weak set of candidates.
@bbartlog Does anyone know whether it’s normal for a generic Republican to poll better against Obama than any of the actual, specific Republicans? Because that’s what we’re seeing, and I’m trying to figure out whether this is just a normal weirdness of human perception, or whether it’s actual evidence of a weak set of candidates.
The circular firing squad of any one but my guy can win mentality
drj, the dates on almost all of those polls (except for the joke we can call Reuters/Ipsos) are all pre the SC primary and this week of debates. Might be nice if you looked at something that was current. But then, that takes time. You’ve seen how those surges can happen in a matter of days. And this is not Newt’s first surge.
You’ll drive yourself crazy if you stare at numbers day by day, and don’t allow the state primary voters to have their say. You also need to start putting polling in context with the latest events. Florida voters who watched the SC primary in the focus groups were an example of how things can turn on a dime. My suggestion is don’t hurt yourself with polls until after the two Florida debates and primary. SC is one primary election. Florida is another. You might want to consider the reception of the candidates based on voters and exit polls, rather than pushing towards Romney with fear mongering by disgruntled Republican water carrier pundits like Coulter and Rubin, and in the tank Republican elected officials.
Are you really so desperately quick to anoint Romney, strictly because you buy the establishment BS talking points, and feel that the voters who are making the decisions are irrelevant?
And listening to rich wheeler or Larry W? Puleeeeze… Rich is about as adept at tarot card reading as Greg is, fer heavens sake. Rich doesn’t want the GOP nominee to win. And if Romney is good for liberal Larry W, that should also give you a hint….
Hey, I wasn’t the one who said the nation of America hated Newt. The blanket observation was made by Conn Carroll prior to the SC primary, and repeated by drj.
Nor did I say that the nation of America collectively loved Newt.
My point is that such a statement is desperately absurd and reeks of a personal agenda to influence primary voters. Fact is, the contenders are in the constant state of flux. One week ago, Newt was pronounced a “pariah” and dead in the water by many. Polls that came in the days after the Monday debate showed him surging. They couldn’t do polls fast enough between the Thursday debate and Saturday’s primary, but everyone was still supremely confident that it would either be Romney, or it would be close. They were wrong.
Some like Newt. Some don’t. And apparently there are starting to be more of the former than the later, while the negatives of the anointed one are on the rise. Not that there are some that want to admit it…
But Stix is entirely correct, and I’m not much of a poll person except the actual elections. The exit polls… which generally have a very wide sampling…. are good to get a handle on why voters chose, the demographics, and what issues they felt were important.
It’s my contention that the purpose of throwing out dated polls is to influence primary voters by political fear mongering, and banking on playing the herd mentality. I think voters should decide the nominee after listening to debates and voting… not by polls.
Stix, I think that national polls are made up of a sampling of Dems/Reps/Indys and generally weighted heavy to the Dems.
In the primaries I always vote for the person I think is the most conservative or at least closest to my issues and ideas. I tihnk everyone should do that and do not look at polls, pundits lr anyone except who they think is the best. We may not agree, but the way this primary is going it is getting insane, Onlt Romeney can beat Obama. BS. Any of the candidates can beat Obama,
In the end I will be behind the person that the GOP picks, and not the one annointed by the powers to be,
Looking at daily polls only reinforce what the pundits and others want you to see. Think for yourself and do not let anyone else effect who you vote for. Even if it is Ron Paul, Santorum, Romney or even Roemer. The vote is yours , not anyone else’s.
I will say I believe that Newt is the best one and I agree with him more than the others, but that does not mean I will not get behind someone else if they win.
I will be happy when this BS of a primary is over, too much idiocy and hard feelings going all around. It is self defeating
@MataHarley One of the reasons I ignore most polls
Too many of you ignore the impact of the Tea Party.
http://broadsidebooks.net/2012/01/21/the-tea-party-slaps-down-mitt-romney-in-south-carolina/
Romney’s campaign ignored the Tea Party while Gingrich reached out to it. Perry dropped and endorsed Newt. The Palins put in a word for him. Newt’s debate validated his status as the anti-establishment candidate. He was the guy who took on the Lame Stream Media and won.
Romney has no hope of gaining traction with the Tea Party movement. He has that giant albatross around his neck called Romneycare. He can’t disavow it without being called a flip-flopper and he can’t get the support of Tea Party folk until he does. Classic Catch-22.
The inside-the-beltway people don’t understand the Tea Party or its motivation. If there is white-hot anger at what Obama has done to the country, there is red-hot anger at the failure of the Republicans WE put in office to fight back. We don’t want the establishment ramming yet another RINO candidate down our throats. We want a conservative. Newt is articulating conservative values. When he talks about kids working as janitors, he is striking a chord with us. We all started out doing entry level jobs. My wife cleaned bathrooms and took out trash. I worked on a road crew clearing culverts.
According to the pre-election polls, Romney won the South Carolina primary. Except, he lost to Gingrich in a landslide in the actual election, which is the most important poll of all.
Maybe we should run Generic Republican against Obama. I imagine he looks sort of generic, like the Stay Puft marshmallow man.
A chia pet could beat Obama unless we screw it up.
Richard Wheeler, there is no way I can’t get the position she is a very beautiful person, and poise too, with a quite smile for all, she can take the role of FIRST LADY, It’s okay,
bye
Anyone remember the “daisy” commercial, ran against Goldwater in 1960? I’m old enough to remember the actual commercial.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDTBnsqxZ3k
On ABC’s “This Week” today, I think it was George Will who wondered out loud about Gingrich having his excitable hand on the nuclear trigger.
in the context of:
http://swampland.time.com/2011/12/13/newt-gingrich-contemplates-war-with-iran/
I think that Newt is vulnerable on a lot of issues. George Will also said today that Obama is “innoculated” against traditional GOP charges of Democratic weakness on defense. Obama could actually present himself as the candidate most capable of keeping America safe in the world. Steely cool. Takes the time to examine all sides of the issue (remember “dithering?”). Ultimately willing to overrule his defense advisors (Seal 6 instead of a missile strike to take out Bin Laden) and merciless in the goal of decimating Al Qaeda. So he’s not your typical Democratic wimpy appeaser.
Independent are nauseated by the atmosphere of hyperpolarized nastiness.
So I think that the image of a hot headed fighter may not play out so well, in the general election.
- Larry Weisenthal/Huntington Beach CA
AQUA
hi,
I like your comment on 7 and the quote of the STATUE OF LIBERTY,
I wonder when there is hardships in a COUNTRY SUCH AS THE USA, OR CANADA , BY THE PEOPLE WITH ROOTS IN DEEP IN THE GROUND, NO JOBS TO BE FOUND BY THEM, WHILE THEY SEE FOREIGNERS WORKING MERRILY IN THEIR PLACE, ALSO BUYING THEIR HOUSES BECAUSE THE LOCALS CANNOT SUBSIST ANY LONGER,
I wonder how much more to be let in, the COUNTRY, WHICH WAY TO CALCULATE THERE IS ENOUGH CITIZENS IN THE COUNTRY FOR A WHILE AND TO BE REEVALUATE LATER WHEN THINGS ARE GOOD FOR THE EXISTING PEOPLE, WHEN THEY ARE WORKING AND HAPPY ENOUGH TO FEEL LIKE EXPANDING THEIR SPACES, OH WAIT
IS THERE SOME SPACE LEFT FOR THEM TO EXPAND.WHEN THEY ARE READY IN THE YEARS TO COME,
BYE
openid.aol.com/runnswim
you cannot say that of GINGRICH UNLESS YOU BRING OBAMA ANGER REACTIONS THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS AFTER BEBE FROM ISRAEL SPOKE ON PUBLIC FORUM FOR THE NATION AFTER OBAMA SPEECH ASKING HIM TO LET GO LANDS THEY OWN. GIVING HIM A TIME FOR IT,
HE HAS VIOLENT REACTIONS THAT WHERE TOLD BY SOME CLOSE TO HIM, SO HOW ABOUT HIM DECIDING WITHOUT CONSULTING CONGRESS ON LIBYA LEADER TO STEP OUT; ON EGYPT ALLY TO STEP OUT, THOSE ARE UNCONTROLED CHARACTER FLAWS,
MAKING HIM DANGEROUS MUCH MORE,
SO GET OFF NEWT, HE CAN CONTROL HIS REACTIONS, HE KNOWS WHEN TO STOP TALKING, HE DID SHOW IT PUBLICLY., HE WAS IN GOVERNMENT BEFORE, HE HAS DISCIPLINE ENOUGH TO DECIDE WHAT IS GOOD FOR AMERICA,, NOT ON A SPUR LIKE A SPOIL BRAT HE’S NOT,
@Larry, number 63:
You said:
So what you are saying is that he will lie.
Wow, I never thought of that. /sarc
@WmTSherman: ‘According to the pre-election polls, Romney won the South Carolina primary. Except, he lost to Gingrich in a landslide in the actual election, which is the most important poll of all.’
Nah, the polls clearly showed Gingrich overtaking Romney in the last few days (Jan 18 thru Jan 20… look at the RealClearPolitics moving average). Now granted if you’re not a political junkie and you only look at the polls every week or so, I can see how you would have that impression.
anticsrocks
hi,
this is a blatant attack on NEWT TO MAKE HIM LOOK LIKE HE HAS NO SELF DISCIPLINED, . IT IS STARTED AND WILL GO ON TILL THE ELECTION,
NEWT EXPECT IT AND I’M SURE HE WILL PREVAILED THOSE SNEAKY VICIOUS ATTACKS.
BYE
Well Beezy, I certainly hope you are right. Newt has run a pretty good campaign, with his only two missteps in my opinion were the blasting of Paul Ryan’s budget and his attack on Romney about Bain capital.
The good thing about Newt is that he bounces back pretty quick.
anticsrocks
hi, he was attack by the ROMNEY, SO HE DEFENDED HIMSELF, FAIR GAME, AS ROMNEY HAD ALL THE MONEY TO PUT ON THE ATTACKS, I’M GLAD THE SOUTH CAROLINE FIX IT UP SO HE WIN THE VOTES,
I find him pretty cool, he could have be meaner than that, and now the other side will try to attack on his very best tool to repel attack, by saying he might not be able to control himself on IRAN. HOW LOW CAN THEY GET..
we will have to be alert to take them on as they come.
BYE
We keep hearing Romney should be our choice. In the three elections, the non Romney vote is significant. Anybody but Romney is the message being sent by the conservatives in the party. Want to lose. Nominate romney and have the energy evaporate from the entire election process. Force Romeny down our throats and watch a third party emerge. Republicans had the power and even they admit they screwed the pooch. The tea party gave them life and one more chance. We do not want Romney fools. If there is any message being sent, that is the one. Stop supporting him unless you want to kill the party. Why are those establishment republicans on the same page with the elite media? That says a lot.
Larry, INRE #63…. ????? That’s some pretty selective revisionist history ya got there, guy.
That’s funny. I remember Obama not dithering and signing on to some non-existent NATO “humanitarian mission” on the advice of his three womenfolk… none of them his defense advisors (you can double post this one in the supposedly wonderful trait of “over ruling” his military advisors too…).
I also remember Obama not dithering and racing to the POTUS dais to call for Arab foreign leaders in Egypt, Libya and Yemen to resign, while ignoring Iran’s Ahmadinejad and Syria’s Assad). Of course he didn’t dither when he decided to tell Honduras they had to allow for the Constitutionally exiled President to return.
He didn’t dither when he decided to kill the missile defense system.
I do remember Obama dithering on lending encouragement and internal support to the Iranians rebelling in the streets while, again, NOT calling on Ahmadinejad to resign. He only meddles with “allies”. He dithered on sending surge troops to Afghanistan before finally not sending the amount the commanders wanted.
And while you think “dithering” is “steely cool”, your western culture prohibits you from recognizing that dithering is a sign of weakness to our enemies and Euro allies. Hang, even the liberal LA Times knows this.
Me? I see dithering as dangerous indecision… generally done as a delay until he sees what political effect it will have on him and his approval ratings.
BTW, I might also remind you that all the major terrorist attacks while Obama has been in office have either not been detected at all by his agencies, or been detected and ignored, and have been stopped by alerts citizens and not the federal agencies. Somehow I’m not buying that observation that Obama is “keeping America safe”. He and his appointees have been embarrassingly inept.
Yes I’ll agree with that. He certainly does like to overrule, if not ignore his military advisers in favor of three women folk… Hillary, Rice and Jarrett. Kind of amusing you find that appealing. I find it amazingly foolhardy.
But the Seal 6 mission was not one of those “over ruled” missions. It was a “dither” moment tho, since he decided to sleep on it, so to speak.
The military proposed the plan options, and the military advice was not to use the stealth chopper technology. Had he “over ruled” his advisers, he wouldn’t have done the mission at all… which was Jarrett’s advice. But you must be confusing the players of the story which had the military advisers and Panetta over ruling Obama.
But he sure didn’t “dither” in racing to the media to gloat about the SEALS, thereby endangering their lives and prohibiting any productive use of the intel they got from the compound.
duh
But he did over rule military advisers with the Afghan surge.
He over ruled the warning of an announced withdrawal date.
And he most certainly over ruled their advice on the number of troops needed for the surge.
He over ruled his military advisers that said do not meddle in Libya.
One might also say he over ruled the military, requesting him to pressure Iraq into extended SOFA terms. Guess that diplomatic ability was above his pay grade.
Hey, as CiC, that’s in his power to do. But you will not find me giving him any thumbs up for his overall performance.
uh mmmmmm, yea … to the detriment of destroying our relationship with Pakistan, who is now looking in other directions (like Russia/China) with their inevitable leadership change coming up. You drop as many drones as Obama has on another nation – without their permissions – and you’re bound to kill some bad guys. Pakistanis aren’t too thrilled they are killing innocents and their own military at the same time.
Yeah… real bright. Get some bad guys and lose future intel and diplomatic relations. That’s a pretty ugly trade off.
Now why would you actually characterize Dems and Dem POTUS like that? Dems and this POTUS in particular are only wimpy with our enemies during times of relative peace, and tend to fight wars with one hand tied behind our backs when they get us into them. As history shows, Democrats really do like to start wars. They just don’t have the patience to win them. (WWII excepted, of course… FDR started it, Truman ended it)
On the flip side, this POTUS tends to be aggressive only with our allies.
I believe what we’ve established is that if there is a prize for stupidity by a CiC in both warfare decisions and foreign policy, Obama wins it hands down. He’s pretty much done a clean sweep in alienating all US allies in the ME and Asia by bad decisions, excessive and unilateral drone warfare, political meddling, all while giving the real bad guy leaders in the same region wide berth.
It’s easy to bully your allies, Larry.
Surely you’ve been around enough to know that the strategy between primary and general elections campaigns are not the same. Considering that Newt served in the House for 20 years, I’d say the guy knows how to win an election.
Since you’ll be voting for Obama, unless you can get the GOP to offer up Mitt “Obama’lite” Romney, I doubt he’ll be catering his campaign to those of your political leanings, Larry. But I’m sure he appreciates the advice… /sarc
I know Beezy. I was just saying that those were his flubs on the campaign trail.
anticsrocks
yes I understood, I know you’re good to analyze campaign , I notice that before,
bye
Gingrich has my vote…. unless something better comes along…. oh wait…. this is all there is … go NEWT 2012
I enjoyed this thread so much that I e-mailed it to Newt’s campaign headquarters knowing they will be pleased with the quality intellect of some of our commenters and one host in particular. We must share!
@Larry
Yeah – they should do a commercial with Newt in a bad temper playing with the nuke button after a summit where he feels he has been snubbed by President Putin. I mean if he’s the sort of guy who can shut the US down partly because he was snubbed by Clinton during a flight – then how much further does his mercurial temperament go and his inability to seperate personal snub & his ego with what’s best for a superpower nation and all it’s people.
@ Gaffa You said:
You mean like when Obama snubbed the UK on his first day in office, by shipping back the bust of Winston Churchill that was in the Oval Office?
Or do you mean the time he got his feelings hurt and walked out on Netanyahu?
Or do you mean the time he got embarrassed to have the Dali Lama over, so he instructed his staff to bring the DL in through a back door, next to bags of garbage?
Or do you…nvm, I could go on for hours if I were to mention all the times Obie got his feelings hurt and lashed out at someone.
Ms. Bees #64:
I refuse to believe that Ms. Bees. America is still the land of opportunity. If the government will get its foot off the throat of the people, we can do anything. The opportunities in this country are boundless unless the government gets involved. My wife was born in Mexico and is now a US citizen. I know a lot of people in the Hispanic community. Most are incredibly innovative and hard workers. I’m sure there are some that need to be deported immediately. But there are some I would much rather have here than some people that are born here. People born in the US have no idea how great they have it. Even when I was in the Air Force, I was given the opportunity to learn as much as I wanted for as long as I wanted. There were no limits. Not everyone took advantage of that. I would say to anyone that begrudges immigration that they should take advantage of the opportunities this country has to offer, or get out of the way so someone else can.
I am 100% on board with making sure our borders are secure. This is to make sure people that wish to hurt us can not get in, not to keep people out that want to be free. Our immigration policy needs to be fixed. If people want in, we should let them in. No free rides though. If you can’t make it, go home. And contrary to popular belief, that is how it works now, only much slower. You are not allowed to go on welfare or receive food stamps. Even their sponsors are not allowed to receive welfare or food stamps or it will affect the application process. Sponsors sign an affidavit of support.
I am also a supporter of abolishing the anchor baby law. I don’t sneaking into this country and popping out a kid entitles that child to be a US citizen. We need to fix a lot of laws. And I agree with those that say we should fix the laws first and then decide how to deal with the illegals that are here. I would support a great many of them paying a fine and then working their way through the legalization process.
This is a whole other discussion and I don’t want to thread-jack the topic.
Newt is going to win Florida unless he complete implodes…..again. But I think Perry dropping out has solidified the support for Newt. I know Perry wasn’t doing well in the polls, but there were a lot of people hoping he would pick back up. With him out, Newt is our only hope to draw a distinction between big government and small government. If he becomes president though, he’ll probably be primaried.
And how come HTML tags don’t work?
<a href=”http://floppingaces.net/2012/01/22/america-hates-newt-gingrich-reader-post/#comment-356943″>test</a>
@anticsrocks
The problem is that Ellen Degeneres likes Obama and doesn’t like Newt.
Aqua
thank you, that was super right, and I take that the immigration agency must be returned to the previous true MEANING from the CONSTITUTION LAWS, WHERE JUST NOT ALL DESERVE TO BECOME AMERICANS, BUT ONLY THOSE WITH THE DESIRE TO SHARE THE BURDEN NOT CREATE IT, AS WELL AS THEY DO FOR THE FREEDOM, WHICH IS THERE TO SHARE , NOT TO TAKE AWAY.
BYE
Gaffa, I suspect you also believe the story about the Princess and the Pea.
The whole fiasco was due to budget cuts in social programs. Clinton’s numbers were going down in that budget battle until Senator Dole flinched. The government shut down twice due to Clinton’s budget veto. The first shutdown lasted five days until a continuing resolution was voted on and passed which required assistance from the SPEAKER. The second shutdown lasted two weeks until the man without a backbone, Senator Dole, gave in. Then the press went off on their normal tangent of spinning, not reporting and, Clinton’s numbers went back up and the Republican establishment gave us presidential candidate Dole because they bought the beat up Newt crap.
Your story is a lefty myth.
@Aqua: ‘Newt is our only hope to draw a distinction between big government and small government.’
Well, I still prefer Ron Paul for that. Gingrich is OK on entitlements but doesn’t otherwise seem to have much skepticism about the role of government in people’s lives.
‘And how come HTML tags don’t work?’
Looks like things got updated and some things got broken. For me ‘Active Discussions’ shows a page from yesterday, and the ‘Reply’ link on the posts doesn’t work.
I find it funny, in a way that the progressives are doing the briar patch bit again, in telling us that they fear going up against Romney, when he is the candidate they would prefer- he is just a white Obama, and if elected, the destruction of America would continue.
Who we need is someone that can convince the voters that he will break the back of the progressive march against the Constitution, and that person is more likely Gingrich than Romney.
The fact that both Dems, AND Republicans dislike him is actually a selling point to me, progressince there have been more progressive Repubs than ever,and that means no real change, in my opinion.
Use the editor buttons instead. There is a link button on the second row Aqua
Blake
does it bring the possibility that NEWT could take RON PAUL as VP, and SARAH PALIN AS IN CHARGE OF THE AGENCIES GOVERNMENTAL TO IMPLEMENT INTITLEMENT TO THEM.
BYE
DrJOHN
WHY IN HELL DID YOU WRITE A HATE INCITING POST, NOW YOU SEE THE RESULTS,
NOW WE HAVE TO PROVE YOU WRONG’
Just to add to Curt’s advice, Aqua… if you’re used to working in HTML like I am, you’ll notice the two tabs at the comment field’s top left. One says “visual”, the one to the right says “HTML”. If you prefer to work in the HTML version, just click on that tab and you’re good to go.
Polls at this point mean very little.
The fact is, Barack Obama prays every night to whatever gods he doesn’t believe in that Mitt Romney will win the Republican nomination. Obama can’t run on his actual record, which is a failure. In order to win re-election, he needs to make the case that the Republicans are even scarier than he is. He will do that by calling Republicans the servants of the 1% fat cats who caused the economic collapse while getting rich themselves. He will also call them racists and frightening, uncontrollable religious fanatics.
Romney is the Poster Boy for the 2012 DNC re-election campaign. One-percent income? Check. Fat cat elistist? Check. Racist? Religious fanatic? Romney represents a religious cult that was openly racist as recently as the 1970s.
The notion that Romney is electable comes from the mainstream press, and from polls that measure peoples’ reactions to a name BEFORE any campaigning or attack ads have exposed the candidate to the public. Romney excites nobody, not even moderates. He’s a milquetoast candidate. He has hardly ever won anything. Nominating Romney is the surest way to get a rerun of 2008.
I saw today where Newt is 2 points behind obama in a head to head election. This is before Newt savages him in debates. Newt not electable? Normally that may be the case. However, these are not normal times.
Let’s also keep in mind a lot of people don’t remember him all that well.
Hard Right
I like the way you said it,, and the truth is; you cannot believe what OBAMA SAY,
but you can believe what NEWT TELL YOU, HE IS NO BULLSHITER.
Hard right #90 adds 2 great Newt slogans Vote Newt “Normally unelectable,but these are not normal times”
Newt For Prez. ‘We’ve forgotten what he did,” Also
Vote Newt “So commited to marraige he can’t stop doing it” lol Bees favorite Vote Newt “He’s No Bullshitter’
VOTE NEWT TO EXPOSE THE IMPOSTER.
Who saw uber-Conserv. Ann Coulter on O’Reilly saying Gingrich would lose to Obama in a “landslide of epoch proportions” She says “i hate him” AND Callista could “never be First Lady”.Scathing diatribe that had Bill O on his heels..
Richard Wheeler
don’t worry, CALLISTA IS MUCH MORE BEAUTIFUL THAN HER,
and she has class, she would make a great first lady
@MataHarley
Awesome. I dream in code, so that works for me. Thank you both.
LOL! Well, Aqua, my dreams of HTML are more nightmares. But I’m so used to doing it that the shortcuts always screw me up. So I always just use the HTML option.
It is just so clunky to not be able to hit the reply button.
@Anticrocks
Did Obama moving a bust, or him saying his was going to put his daughters to bed (although they were in New York at the time), or the Dalai Lama going through the backdoor result in the US being shut down causing over $700 million dollars to be lost? No I didn’t think so.
@Missy
Who said the following….
“This is petty. You’ve been on the plane for 25 hours and nobody has talked to you and they ask you to get off the plane by the back ramp. … You just wonder, where is their sense of manners? Where is their sense of courtesy? That snub, was part of why you ended up with us sending down a tougher continuing resolution.”
A) The Princess
B) The Pea
C) Newt Gingrich
Next you’ll be telling me that Newt Gingrich hasn’t kited his checks in the past and if he did it was all the fault of the media. lol
Sorry, guys
RCP
Does this poll mean anyting about NOV? NO.
If you follow polls everyday you will go insane. The MSM have a narrative that is played off of faulty polling that any Republican will loose to Pbama by polling more heavily Democrats. Garbage In Garbage Out
@Stix
Hope you’re right, but this is Rasmussen we’re talking about, and Rasmussen had the most accurate polling for the last election.
Yes and we are 8 months out, and anyhing can happen in between now and NOV. The economy will not rebound, unless there is a miracle, Unemployment will still be high, Pbama will still be arrogant and there will be a fight to get the economy growing again.
As Obama said: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCN5-ovvFL0
As I said before we could probably put up a chia pet against him. He has made the economy worse and has no clue on how to get it going again. And is trying to still pay off his union buddies with Porkulus. But he just pissed off a lot of unions member ith the decline of the Pipeline. The unions lost a lot of good paying jobs with that Yesterday someone called into Rush and said he was voting for anyone running against Obama because of the Pipeline deal. More will come
that is unless we take the MSM narrative and loose it because they say we cannot win
Gaffa
First of all, do you have a link showing the $700 million supposedly lost?
Secondly you never had a problem with Obama spending ONE TRILLION dollars on his failed stimulus package, but you worry over a supposed $700 million. You truly are the king of cherry picking.
Thirdly, you obviously have no idea how our government works. When it gets “shut down” all that means is that non-essential services are temporarily halted. Things like national parks, museums, etc…
Lastly I never said anything about his daughters…
Lets see, the biggest fear people have is that obama will get re-elected, but Newt can’t beat him? If the economy was good, they would be right. They want a change…badly.
So drj, I’m getting worried about you, calling the game in the first inning. Are you channeling Coulter these days, and do we need to get you an exorcist? Or are you on the Romney payroll, attempting to influence our choices with promises of doom and gloom that have no bearing in reality at this stage?
A pundit made a very wise observation the other day… and that the first tests of what conservatives/Republicans want came with SC, and will continue somewhat with Florida. The reason? IA has been a Democrat voting state, with one exception… Bush barely (and I do mean BARELY) eked out a win over Kerry in 2004. NH is another solid blue state.
So what the IA/NH blue state voters want doesn’t much matter since those states are still likely to go for Obama, regardless of who the nominee is.
SC and Florida are red states (or red most of the time). When you want to know who conservatives/Republicans want, do you ask the blue states to pick your candidate, knowing the chances of them turning the state are pretty much a pipe dream? Or do you really want to pay attention the red states, most especially swing, who you firmly want in your camp?
Speaking of polls, ain’t lookin’ good for your bud Romney as of yesterday and today’s latest polls in FL. Romney, who was 24 point ups on Newt Jan 18th, is now down below Newt 5-9 points in all FL polling. Additionally, Newt is now up 4 points in the Gallup national poll as well. It’s called momentum.
But momentum is a funny thing, and it may yet sway again. Who knows. But it does get a bit annoying when establishment type Republicans insist on throwing up national polls (which include Dems heavily weighted in the sampling), attempting to scare people away from voting their choice.
I’m not sure what you expect when you include heavily weighted Dems in a national poll. Don’t much pay attention to those myself. After all, the Presidential election is a state election, not a national election.
Decisions for nominees need to be based on campaigning and debates, and how they feel they would fare in the needed agenda change. This is a moment to be celebrated…. the conservatives/Republicans in red states are speaking loudly on not having a fake RINO as a candidate again. Because obviously many of us see a RINO candidate as a loss, even if he’s established in the WH.
Gaffa, you do not absorb information well. You are trying to blame the budget battles and shut down on the government on Newt’s “in part” comment above.
???
Let’s try laying on the facts again, and hope that it doesn’t whistle, with the wind, thru your ears one more time: Only a majority vote in the chambers can result in the stalemate, causing the shut down. A single member cannot do squat without the majority in tow.
Of course Newt found Clinton’s treatment extraordinarily rude and disrespectful – it was. But since a large majority of the House membership didn’t like Newt, why the heck would they vote to shut down the government to support a guy they didn’t like?
So for your charge of being petty to hold any water whatsoever, it would require the majority of House members being just as petty.
Imagine Clinton’s chagrin to be in office only two years with the usual, run of the mill, all Democrat control of both chambers… then faced with an opposition party in control for the first time in decades. Clinton did not start out playing well with others…
Newt referred to that plane flight event as an example of Clinton’s utter disrespect for the majority Republicans and their issues… ergo why that disrespect led to the shut down. Clinton and the Dems were used to getting their way. Not up against that Congress under Speaker Newt. The best he could get was compromise… which was exactly what Reagan did with his Dem controlled Congress.
Wish this Congress/House/Speaker had the balls to do the same. .. holding the debt ceiling hostage for needed budget issues.
@John Cooper:
@bbartlog:
@anticsrocks:
The reply button works, just have to make sure you are in the HTML mode of the comment box prior to clicking the reply button
@Curt: Thanks! What’s the “simpleimage” icon do?
Mata is saying she’d rather lose with a Conservative than win with a RINO..
Dr.J. and Conservs. like Coulter want badly to beat BHO and believe Romney can do it and Gingrich cannot..
Unemployment is coming down albeit slowly. Stock market (leading indicator) is booming and R.E. market (lagging indicator) sucks.Mixed signals.Economy must improve from here for BHO re-election. Jury is out One thing is certain..For what it’s worth,BHO will always score higher on likeability quotient than Newt.
YOU SAID; BHO will score better in liKEability than NEWT’
I say, NEWT WILL SCORE BETTER FOR HIS ABILITY THAN BHO
BYE
I say I want to win with a Conservative and not loose with a RINO again
rich wheeler, have you got any idea what blowback would come someone’s way if they said they *didn’t* like Obama personally?
Does the term “racist” come to mind?
Pray tell, when a pollster calls as asks, “do you find Obama likeable”, what brave soul is going to risk that?
I don’t know Obama personally, so I can’t say he’s likeable on a personal level. I can say that, after three years and his unmitigated arrogance demonstrated with the nose up in speeches and observations of the masses, that I don’t like what I see of him at all… politically, or a leader. And if he’s like that on a personal levels, he’s one snot of an elitist.
On the other hand, I find Newt’s sense of humor delightful, and his mind intriguing… even when I disagree with him. I cannot say the same for Mittens (who’s kind of a dweeb…), or Obama. Santorum is a bit stiff for my tastes, but I find him more engaging than the aforementioned two.
So other than snap judgments by those responding to polls… and likely intimidated if it’s about a black man… what the heck does likeability mean if he’s busy thwarting any economic improvement, as you have pointed out yourself.
i.e.
…. because the labor force is shrinking, albeit slowly.
…stock market (NOT a leading indicator in these times) is indeed booming, which has most investors scratching their heads as why the idiots have decided that Europe’s problems will not affect the US economy.
Sure does… don’t see much long term “hope and change” on the horizon either. Once prices stabilize, rates go up, prices come down, and we start on round two of toxic assets, short sales and foreclosures.
Geez, Mata, you might make a convert out of me yet…
OBAMA 50% NEWT 48% OBAMA 50% ROMNEY 48%
Gaffa, check this out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:President's_Conference_Room_aboard_Air_Force_One.jpg
What do you think this is for? 25 hours to take care of the people’s business and Clinton wasn’t interested in cooperating so Gingrich and Dole wrote it up without him.
Mata I disagree that race would have bearing on likeability factor. Would it play a role if people asked about Al Sharpton or Bill Cosby Farakham or Denzel Washington?
I think BHO gives great speeches,is very likeable and not at all condescending. I find Newt volotile and very condescending.Other than his intelligence I find nothing about him to be likeable.
That’s what makes a horserace. BTW Have you seen War Horse MAGNIFICENT MOVIE Go Pats
@Richard Wheeler:I think BHO gives great speeches,is very likeable and not at all condescending
You are kidding right? He is the most condescending politician I have ever known.
MATA
YES AND NOTHING TO DO WITH LOOK OR COLOR, we can remind RW that we liked HERMAN CAIN, A LOT,
and HE was very likeable and well liked by a big crowd, who still like him like us, that’s why they trye the trick on him.
and TRIED on NEWT very similar SCENARIO ; MONEY CAN BUY A LOT OF PEOPLE, WHEN YOU HAVE A BILLION JUST
FOR YOU ALONE TO SPEND, AND BECAUSE YOU’RE A BIG SPENDER, ANYTHING GOES TO DESTROY YOU’RE OPPONENT WITHOUT ANY REMORSE,
drjohn
don’t forget it’s early in time, anything can happen, optimist is better serve than fear and negative projection,,
bye
Stix
hi,
he was condescending when he close the KEYSTONE PROJECT TO PLEASE THE GREEN GROUPS,
YES FOR SURE.
BYE
@ilovebeeswarzone:
He is not called the WON for nothing
Stix Is he called “The WON” because he keeps winning?
@Richard Wheeler: LOL
He is called the WON becaise he would not listen to the Republicans and said.”get over it I won”
He is an arrogant ass
@Richard Wheeler: You said:
Really?
Mata is right, the labor force is shrinking because people are giving up and not looking for work.
@Richard Wheeler: Still getting used to this new plug in. Here is the rest of what I wanted to post in the above comment.
@Richard Wheeler: You said:
Of course you don’t. You believe in the class warfare crap that he spews on a constant basis.
@Richard Wheeler: The ACTUAL unemployment numbers:
anticsrocks
just like RW, , believe in warfare crap that he spew on constant basis,
bye
Stix
hi, yes
and he always put the blame on the other side, never took the blame, he started with blame BUSH,
AND HIS MINIONS repeated his words, still do. they will when he is defeated. also’
bye
Class warfare When I listen to Gingrich intimating poor and lower middle class would rather have welfare checks or unemployment checks than paychecks and they lack a work ethic. That’s class warfare
Personally I believe in a fair tax system.If an income tax exists people making millions should pay a higher rate than those making $60,000.Class warfare??
Stix He did win. Bush said basically the same thing after 04 win,”Got capital to spend”
I see you have to use the word “intimating” because, of course, Newt has never said that. But that is what you hear.
That, rich, seems to be a personal problem… yours.
drj… LOL! But be patient, grasshopper. Tomorrow’s another day, and this is no usual election… rather like 1980. Just buckle your seatbelt… it’s gonna be a bumpy ride (H/T to Bette Davis) And don’t stare at the polls, because you will lose your mind.
. Mata That’s what alot of people hear when Newt speaks.
IMO Your claim that Obama is formenting class warfare is equally subjective and in the ears of the listener.
@Richard Wheeler: You said:
Except that isn’t what he said.
On the food stamp vs paycheck issue:
Now, you were saying, Rich?
Then you’re not alone in your hypersensitivity, based on dumb impressions. What can I say except the herd mentality runs strong amongst the gullible.
Not when you listen to his very explicit words, that leave nothing … and I do mean nothing… to the imagination.
You “perceive” Newt’s words while Obama’s are quite overt, direct and unmasked.
Mata Do you believe Obama would rather run against Mitt than Newt. IF I was the type to throw insults I’d call that uninformed and gullible. But since I’m an Officer and a Genlleman by Act of Congrees I’ll simply suggest you are wrong.lol
Semper Fi
@Richard Wheeler: Really? Subjective?
Either it divides us or it doesn’t.
Obama –
Its bad economics even if, in the finest tradition of Saul Alinsky, it might work politically. By focusing on “the rich”—which he defines as millionaires and billionaires in his speeches even while his tax proposals count them as anyone who makes more than $200,000 per year—he is trying to pit one group of Americans against another, saying it is right and just and moral to push the spending burden off on other people. If this isn’t class warfare then what is? – Source
Now let’s look at some of Reagan’s quotes and look at the difference:
The numbers are dated, but the concept is timeless.
Of course Obama wants to run against Mittens, rich. If you haven’t figured it out yet, allow me to point out two most obvious points:
1: Obama set up Mittens in the SOTU with the Buffett/secretary/tax the rich scenario. He needs Mittens badly to portray as everything he detests. i.e class warfare, portraying the opposition as the evil rich capitalist pig who makes $20 mil a year, and only pays 15% in taxes. But unlike Buffett, he is not sufficiently “repentant” for his wealth and taxes.
2: Pelosi has resurfaced and regurgitated her prior “threat” about Newt to CNN’s Anderson Cooper, saying “I know things”. And then falling silent.
Now think about the obvious, rich… if they wanted to have an easy win, and had an October surprise piece of dirt on a nominee Newt, why expose it now? Why not keep your trap shut, let the GOP nominate him and take him out easily in October?
Why? Because there is no dirt, and they desperately need Romney. Get with the program, guy…. they’ve got to clear the path for Romney by removing Newt.
Newt nailed Pelosi within 24 hours with her last little threat, pointing out that all the documents about the ethics investigation has been released for years… and if she has any intention of releasing privileged or classified personal information, she’s in violation of federal law. Her lawyer had to come on board and bail her big mouth out.
This regurgitation of Pelosi’s threats just came in the news today… a serious panic move after Newt’s win in SC, his surge past Romney in Florida (lots of delegates there…), and his rise in both the national polls and the match up polls.
Gotta love the smell of desperation in the air….
MATA says “There is no dirt on Newt” He has accumulated so much dirt already why bother to pile on more.
I say let the primary play out.. I’m lovin it !! Get a winner and then Let the games begin.
@Richard Wheeler, that is the quintessential dodge of facts, in order to advance BS and propaganda.
All of Newt’s “dirt”… you know, ethics charges that weren’t, contracts with the GSE’s that were released for scrutiny, are old news.
All you have left is political fear mongering and implied bluffs as threats. And you’re not very good at it.
Newt Gingrich has won me over as the most formidable opponent for Barack Obama and as the best of the remaining GOP field of candidates.
Let’s compare and contrast Romney with Gingrich:
Romney: All the advantages. 6 year continuous effort to run for the Presidency. Huge funding. Most endorsements. Biggest, most professional staff. etc. But he has run a bungled, disorganized campaign. He has no political instincts. The latest totally dumb thing he said was to claim that his background made him more qualified to be President than Obama, because he (Romney) ran Bain Capital, ran the Olympics, and governed Massachusetts. This is allegedly much better than Obama’s experience as a community organizer and junior Senator. Somehow, Romney forgot to note that, in addition to the above, Obama has had a very relevant line of work over the past 3 years (and ongoing). Obama’s current relevant job experience does trump Romney’s.
Obama ran his own campaign flawlessly. Romney, as noted, couldn’t take advantage of all of his many resources and has run a bungling, amateurish campaign, which has always been creating openings for his opponents and has always been too late in responding to changing conditions on the ground.
Gingrich: He has frankly blown me away. I’ve never seen such a masterful political tour de force in my life as a political junkie. He’s had no resources. No staff. No money. A ton of pre-existing baggage (it’s more than illusory, Mata), but Newt has “Newtralized” all of it; even turned some of it into an asset.
Being President is nothing at all like running Bain Capital or running the Olympics. You don’t get to call your shots. You don’t get to create the conditions on the ground. You’ve got to be the greatest politician in the land, to be a successful President in the world of 2012. And Gingrich just might be the best politician in the land.
- Larry Weisenthal/Huntington Beach CA
openid.aol.com/runnswim
hi, you represent many liberals unhappy with OBAMA organisation, and the economie is not the way it should be,
so the many deceived liberals will go more for NEWT than for ROMNEY, BECAUSE NEWT represent more the many people with more or less money with difficulty to make it to the end of the month, without cutting a few dinners to make sure they meet the projected budget, at the end of the month , ROMNEY AND OBAMA ARE IN THE RICH ONE
Mata, I thought the same thing when I saw Nancy “Stretch” Pelosi – [shout out to Mark Levin
] – tell John King that she “knows something.” The Chicago far left political machine is already on damage control, and Newt has only won a single state.
Larry, I concur with most of your assessment, except for touting Obama’s experience. He has had none. Being a back bench state Senator and a back bench US Senator is all he has and it is less than zero. I think Cain put it best when he said that Obama couldn’t even run one of his Godfather restaurants.
anticsrocks
hi, NANCY AND THE OTHER THINK THEY ALONE CAN GIVE THREAT
but when they are deposed many stories will be said about them while they where supppose to served the PEOPLE
the same threat will be like a boomerang, hitting her in her most secrets
bye
@openid.aol.com/runnswim: ‘Gingrich: He has frankly blown me away. I’ve never seen such a masterful political tour de force in my life as a political junkie. He’s had no resources. No staff. No money.’
Not entirely true. We don’t know what his Q4 fundraising was (FEC filing won’t be available for another week or so) but just based on how much Perry got after his rise in the polls I’d be surprised if Gingrich didn’t get on the close order of $10 million in that timeframe. And quite likely another $5 million in January. And a good thing for him, too, because no matter how formidable you are personally you still need millions of dollars to run a national campaign.
I’m also curious what causes you to say that Romney has run a ‘bungled, disorganized campaign’. He’s not the one who failed to get on the ballot in Virginia, is he? I think you need to separate his personal foot-in-mouth blunders from the organizational business. On that front I believe Romney is still ahead of Newt. Of course, the thing is that personal organizational skills shouldn’t really matter that much – a lot of that stuff by rights is the campaign manager’s responsibility. Given adequate fundraising and a good hire the candidate shouldn’t have to be spending any time on ballot access issues. And yet somehow it still seems to come up.
Finally… winning one state after a couple of consecutive fourth place finishes is an impressive comeback, but this *is* his backyard. Would it be a tour de force for Romney to win Nevada (where 10% of the Republicans are Mormon)? I’m unconvinced.
I am a staunch republican who will NEVER vote for Gingrich. If he’s the nominee, I will go to the polls and vote a straight republican ticket, and NOT vote for president. How incredibly pathetic and sad. There’s no room in my world for a smug, narcissist who hides behind his thesaurus and divides people. We already have that guy in the White House. Draft Mitch Daniels NOW!!
Michell Smith
yes, his transcript , address to the NATION, was extraordinary , was in he a CANDIDATE at the very beginning of
call, and he didn’t stay long, I had thought he would have done good, he is very well like, and from what I read his address yesterday, he has the stuff, but would he come back? is it too late/
bye
@bbartlog and @openid.aol.com/runnswim… INRE Newt’s campaign coffers and organization, compared to Romney’s.
bbart, I think you may miss what Larry was saying. Newt’s been declared politically dead several times now. His entire staff walked out on him last summer. So his organization had to be revamped, his donations were not hot and heavy, and yet he still was “the comeback” guy… against all those odds. And that’s not even including the Romney Superpac ads and and media/establishment assaults in the press. Naturally, with his debate performances and rising numbers, he’s going to get more campaign backers and donations.
Compare that rocky start with Romney, who’s virtually been campaigning for six years straight, tons of cash, the establishment and GOP media behind him fully – just ready to have him sign on the dotted line as the candidate – and *still* he’s a 25 percenter with gaffes that can rival Biden’s.
Larry, INRE that “baggage” which you say is more than “illusionary”. There’s only three major luggage pieces that everyone hiccups over Gingrich. The ethics charges, Freddie/Fannie and his personal life and marriages.
The ethics charges are little different than the political assault of false charges that was leveled against Palin when she was named VEEP nominee. The actuality of guilt is a lie, and the perception of guilt that so many want to keep alive to take him down again is simply another example of sleazy politics. And like Palin, both parties are engaging in the lie food fest.
It seems that trial-by-media and the mere presence of accusations actually trumps genuine innocence. The Republicans were reprehensible in not backing the Speaker during these times, and simply wanting to make it go away with a showboat vote and hefty fine… none of which was actually warranted.
Byron York has a no nonsense and direct take on those days.
INRE Fannie/Freddie. There are laws and lines not to be crossed. And any genuine “lobbying” by Gingrich would result in serious scrutiny for disclosures and tax laws. That’s not the case, and only the Congressional newbie Newt haters, who are on Romney’s bandwagon, are laying the claim that Newt lobbied them personally. The problem with that is neither of them were on committees that were relevant to the GSEs, therefore Newt would have no need to “lobby” them even if he *were* a lobbyist.
Romney’s clever enough to know that Newt didn’t lobby, which is why he’s carefully changing his terminology to “influence peddler” to cover his arse. Again, it’s a tired replay of making enough false charges in the media against someone to get the public to believe it’s true… tho it’s not.
As far as Newt’s personal life, it is what it is. It’s not hidden. Divorce is not uncommon. Affairs of powerful pols are not unusual and, in fact, we had a POTUS who did that in the WH, using the Oval Office as his favorite place for a tryst.
So I would disagree . The “baggage” is nothing but illusional. It only becomes “real” simply because of the continued misrepresentation and lies as a campaign attack. And it’s rather sad that lies and sleazy behavior are justified, simply because they continue to repeat them. I would think that all of us are tired of such nonsense when there are documents online for the full investigation, the IRS 74 pg report exonerating Newt’s organization, and Newt’s contract with the GSEs available for review as well. If the man is trying to hide something, he’s certainly doing a bad job at it.
Bees, you may be enthralled with Mitch Daniels, but he’s been the Romney back up establishment guy, ready to be foisted on the voters, for some time now. There’s a petition running around to draft him as a candidate.
I actually find the desperation of the GOP to find a nominee that sews up the nomination in just two or three primaries extremely offensive. They want to pick the candidate, instead of the voters. I guess they haven’t noticed that their own approval ratings are so low, that none of us trust their judgment.
Voters need to participate in their primaries and caucuses, and we don’t need any new anointed ones offered up. This is the candidate of us, not the “party” head honchos. It’s our choice, not theirs. If there is a close count by summer/convention time, that’s another story. But I find it objectionable that the GOP would attempt to keep throwing people in line, simply because they don’t like who the people are favoring at the moment and want to shorten the game before the rest of the states have spoken.
Daniels has a good record thus far, and sure has been around the political block more than a few times…. working as assistants/interns/chief of staff/desk jockey in the OMB, etc etc. With the exception of 2008, when the state went for Obama over McCain, it’s has a pretty solid history of being a Republican state. It’s not like the guy has a great deal of experience as the top dog in a hostile environment there. After the decades of being a bureaucrat, his first elected office position was in 2004, for the Indiana Governor. He did well, and still has that office. But as I said, it’s generally a red state.
I don’t think Daniels has the personality or charisma to gather all the voters to him and him only. And that’s what it would take. Certainly, he’s more acceptable than Romney or Paul. But leaving aside Ron Paul’s young vote, a three-way choice between Santorum, Newt and Daniels wouldn’t result in everyone dropping their reasons for the other two just to follow Daniels. He is no Palin when it comes to inspiration.
And personally, I think Obama will make mincemeat of him during the general debates as well.
ya know, Larry, it’s hard to tell if you’re dripping sarcasm here. But since you are aware of the limited resources, changing and limited staff, plus the full frontal assault on Newt by peers and foes alike over all this time – and he’s stills standing strong – you actually are genuine in your praise.
What’s ironic is that a large degree of the mid 90s Republicans hated Newt because they saw him as caving into compromise. Thus they like to say he’s no conservative, when his voting record says entirely the opposite.
How odd they don’t look back at the iconic presidency of Reagan, and remember that he was a master at compromise – while not abandoning his base principles. That’s why things got accomplished. Newt actually did the same in the mid 90s, when he got a House controlled by Dems for four decades to move to the right, and extracted a tax cut out of them.
But I’m under the impression you already gave away that “greatest politician” award to Obama in the past. Don’t you think he’ll be crushed now that Newt appears more skilled than he in your eyes? LOL…
You’re totally missing the point. He’s a smug, arrogant, lying, whiney little bitch that hides behind his thesaurus and is perceived as having great debating skills while doing nothing more than attacking the questioner when he can’t supply the answer. This morning he pretends to attack Romney on his “stock in Fannie and Freddie” when he knows goddamn good and well they are bonds as part of a mutual fund that were placed in a blind trust. Gingrich knows it’s a false charge. Vote for this asshole if you want to, but he’s no better than the lying narcissist already destroying the country.
Go NEWT 2012….
Can we please stop pretending that voters are intelligent? Most voters don’t know how many branches of government there are. President Handout offers enough free stuff, he’ll be re-elected. Gingrich would be a laughable alternative.
And, while we’re at it, do I really have to look at that plastic, Barbie Doll, bobblehead standing next to him through the entire primary season?
@Donald Bly: I hope he goes, too. Right back to K Street where he can’t do any more damage.
Michelle…. perhaps the voters you hang out with are stupid… but the ones I hang out with are smart… they support Newt and understand that the crap being leveled at him is bullshit politics. We’re smart enough to dig deep and get the facts for ourselves rather than listening to the GOP establishment and lame stream media.
Yeah, right… you sound really smart. Why don’t you look at my name again. Game. Set. Match on the intelligent voter debate.
So… a typo is how you gauge intelligence…. lol… I can understand why you feel Newt is smug and arrogant… he’s got brains.. and knows it… and the smart voters out here know it too… it’s just the dumbasses that haven’t figured it out yet… game, set, match.
@Mitchell Smith:
Do you think Romney is?
You also confuse voter ignorance with stupidity. Glass houses…
Hi Mata (#146): I very seldom try to use sarcasm; in truth, I’m not very good at it. I meant what I wrote about Gingrich. I greatly admire his competence as a politician. He’s made some big political mistakes in his earlier career, but he’s learned from them and his talent is huge.
He got pilloried by the GOP establishment for the anti-Bain super-pac ad. If that sort of thing had come from an Obama super-pac, everyone in the GOP would have been united in condemnation. As it was, a great many in the GOP condemned it. It looked like a losing move, in the beginning, but it played a role in a much bigger thing, which was the income tax release. Now, in his heart of hearts, Newt doesn’t think there’s anything at all wrong in Mitt getting 20 mil a year on passive investments and paying only 15% tax, but he’s trying to put together his own little in-house GOP coalition and there are a lot of blue collar Republicans who look at that and look at Mitt and think that Mitt is just out of touch. So it was a calculated political move. They had to think a couple of moves ahead on that one. Yes, if we put put that anti-Bain attack ad, we are going to alienate the establishment and the fiscal conservative/socially moderate part of the party, but we weren’t getting support from them anyway. So we take a hit on that and it helps us peel off maybe 7% to add to our coalition. Stuff like that is what he’s doing, and it’s brilliant.
The last two debates were brilliant, as well. His performance in S.C. was jaw dropping — attacking the media and turning a huge negative into a positive. Everyone expected that he’d come out hot and lathered in FL as well, but he sensed that the mood was different (because of the way Williams was keeping a lid on the crowd). He knew at once that, were he bombastic, he’d play into the hands of those who want to portray him as an out of control loose cannon. So he conceded some debate points to Romney, but built up some capital for himself as someone who is in control of himself.
He has an instinct, now, for making the best possible play in each situation. I’m enormously impressed.
- Larry Weisenthal/Huntington Beach CA
Larry Newt was always the great pol. Evidence his leading the Repub. House takeover and the brilliant “Contract with America” Unfortunately he crossed swords with the best pol of our generation “Slick Willy” and it seemed,very quickly vanished.
HE’S BACK He’s honed his already substantial political Skills in ways you so accurately described.Staid,blue blood Romney is no match.
HIS PROBLEM Warming up and ready to go another STRONG, very smooth adversary who rivals (doesn’t surpass) Clinton. Barrack Hussein Obama—-NEWT VS HUSSEIN for POTUS ?? only in AMERICA.
Two great pols go at it for the big prize 15 rounds.It would equaL the Ali-Frazier battles the Red Sox Yankees. DARE I SAY LINCOLN DOUGLAS.
Bring it on and may the best POL WIN.
Hi Rich, Wonderfully colorful analysis. Agree.
Go Pats (agree there, also)
- LW/HB
You’re catching on, Larry. It was only comment #63 above, when you were saying that Newt’s “hot headed” act wasn’t going to play. What you didn’t acknowledge was the multi-dimensions of Newt. He is one astute guy, and well versed in the political history of this country. And oddly enough, he was hated for being a compromiser where Reagan was praised for the same trait.
I saw his cool in the FL debate. There are times for fire, and others not so much. He could afford to take the high road there. I do look forward to the next one coming up (CNN tomorrow)
Mitchell Smith, there’s a fine line between debate and worthless and petulant insults. There’s also a fine line between responding to different debate points, and spamming.
I’d say that you’ve crossed that line on both. Geez… for a Daniels supporter, you’re making the usual Ron Paul spammers look good.
I’d like to say I’m just breathlessly hanging on, waiting for your next empty of substance, single sentence, Neanderthal response… but nope. But maybe you can improve, eh?
Well, rich… that is a colorful visual. You’re a little late on the Lincoln-Douglas analogy. Newt already promised that if Obama planned on limiting debates, he’d follow him around, Lincoln-Douglas style.
You Gingrich people have been so snowed by this faux intelligence it’s hysterical. A Gingrich nomination GUARANTEES four more years of Obama, and you’ll have yourselves to thank.
Right on cue @Mitchell Smith:
Wow. Seems the new Daniels supporter is not only rude, in-eloquent, but also suffers from delusions of omnipotence in his seer abilities….
I suppose the obvious begs to be noted. That unless we have the ability to see parallel universes about who *would* have won – ala the liberal style of political fear mongering constantly uses – such assertations should merely be dismissed as the sign of a desperate mind.
@MataHarley: I actually like Daniels, but he is not running.
@MataHarley: I’ve figured it out… you fancy yourself as “brilliant” as your man, Newt. Maybe both of you could manage to lose 49 states in November. I’ll let you in on a little secret… you’re only about 20% as smart as you think you are. Keep posting, though. I’m sure you’re enjoying re-reading yourself.
Mitchell Smith
yes MATA IS BRILLIANT, and NEWT IS RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT,
and like Stix said, DANIELS IS LIKABLE BUT NOT RUNNING ANYMORE, HE TRIED AND LEFT, BUT HE HAD WRITTEN A VERY GOOD ADDRESS TO THE NATION AS A CONSERVATIVE.
and we here are taking NEWT’S BACK FOR A WIN,
BYE
@Stix, I’d probably consider pulling the lever for Daniels. But I will tell you that his conservative rating is one of the lowest, a 74. There’s a reason that the establishment GOP is so willing to throw him up as an alternative to Romney… and that’s indicative of their choice for him to deliver the SOTU response, instead of someone like Rubio or Ryan.
So I’d have a closer look, but I’d definitely approach with caution.
@ MiTchell Smith…. Mata would eat you for breakfast.
Don’t make statements you can’t support, Chief. This is like dueling an unarmed man. Apart from sitting at home in his jammies armed with a thesaurus, Mata is defenseless. As are you… but that’s stating the obvious.
@MataHarley:
I am not saying he was my first choice, Cain was my first choice, then Perry. And now Newt
@ MiTchell… kinda funny you calling us dumbasses when you’re the one supporting a guy for president that isn’t running… roflmao. And you are obviously new to this site or you’d already know just how formidable Mata is in a verbal confrontation.
Here’s an alternate spelling for dumbass…. MiTchell
What’re you geriatric??? ROFLMAO??? I don’t think I’ve seen those silly little abbreviations for a couple years now. You better get out of Mata’s bedroom long enough to engage society again. Culturally inept? No, not you, Slick.
@Mitchell Smith: @Donald Bly: By the way, Genius… “supporting a guy THAT isn’t even running” should be WHO. I don’t have time for an 8th grade grammar lesson, nor do I want to take a paycut, but perhaps you could proofread your nonsense before posting.
That the best you got…. typos and grammar… you really are a dumbass. (now tell me “dumbass” should be hyphenated) You’re still the moron who’s supporting a guy “who” is not running.
Mitchell Smith
what is your problem, insulting will not help DANIELS, get of that temper tantrum,
your out of control.
@ilovebeeswarzone: You’re too stupid to respond to any deeper than this.
@Donald Bly: I guess you’ve never applied for a job. Typos and grammar will eliminate you on the first cut. No worries, though, Grasshopper. I’m enjoying dismembering you too much. You can hang around a little longer.
So Mr “proof read” your posts before you submit… try doing the same.
Oh… and is that a dangling participle? Dumbass!
And, no, I don’t apply for jobs. I guess that’s just one of the advantages of being the owner; one gets to do the interviewing. I’m much more concerned with matters of substance vs minor grammatical errors.
Mitchell Smith
don’t worry about me I hang out with the smartest brains to improve ,
and you’re alone here,
I’m quite sure that’s the ONLY thing dangling in your world, Pal. My dad always told me if I found myself in a hole to stop digging. Time to stop digging. Apart from being Mata’s cornerman, you’re in way over your head.
@ilovebeeswarzone: What in the world are you talking about?! May I suggest Donald Bly for your literary entertainment? He writes at a third grade level, and it might make sense to you.
Donald Bly
I have a feeling, she will not fit in your company,
@Donald Bly: Fat chance you own anything other than a slew of misguided, unsubstantiated opinions. Nice try.
@ilovebeeswarzone: Trust me, Pal… Anybody who thinks Newt Gingrich can win in a general election has ZERO chance of owning his own car, much less a company.
@MiTchell… you really should have taken your papa’s advice and stopped digging. You criticize others for failing to proofread their posts and use proper grammar.. then within two post, you’ve dangled your participles, posted missives with obvious grammatical errors… you’re the pot calling the kettle black… I am however, not surprised that you still keep on digging.
Yes, after six decades you could call me “geriatric”… I like to think of it as seasoned.
Anytime you’d like to visit one of my businesses… feel free… here are the web pages to both of my businesses.
http://www.globalpokerfederation.com
http://www.charitypokeramerica.com
Now go play in a sandbox somewhere… you are obviously outclassed here. Maybe you could learn poker and get some of the $100,000 dollars I give away in cash and prizes each month. Nah… you ain’t that smart.
Global Poker???!!! That’s rich. Why am I not surprised you think you’re seasoned, though? ROFLMAO Your cute little abbreviations again, Old School. By the way, you wouldn’t know a participle or a missive if it jumped up and bit you on the ass. Happy gambling, Chief. Bet the house on Gingrich. Stunning.
@Donald Bly: By the way… take a look at Drudge tonight. There’s an interesting piece on how much time Gingrich spent trashing Reagan. You guys’ll love it. Very bold.
@Bees…. We’re getting close to 200 posts….
By the way… did you hear… the Dingo has ‘et the baby… then it crapped a MiTchell!
Donald Bly
I got you’re back,
GEEZZ, I didn’t hear that one before, glad to know he shit on MIT CHELL,
did you get you’re boomerang back? before the dingo did that?
or did he crap at MITT CHIT AFTER HE ET THE BOOMERANG?
189
11 to go.
bye
CURT
WE’RE BACK ON THE OLD SAVE, BUT WE GOT 2 SETS OF LIKE DISLIKE, GLAD THE OTHER CLICK TO EDIT IS BACK
EDIT; NO THIS ONE HAS ONLY ONE SET OF LIKE DISLIKE AS BEFORE.
BYE
@Mitchell Smith: We don’t need a moderate like Daniels.
@Mitchell Smith: You said:
Yeah, he’s just like Obama.
Newt, as Speaker balanced the budget, got 99% of the Contract with America passed in the House and reformed welfare are completely comparable to when Obama, um. When Obama balanc….no wait, that’s right he hasn’t balanced the budget. But Obama did reform welf…no, he didn’t do that, either.
Yep, they are twins.
You also said:
You mean like when Romney had ads out that said Newt was in favor of tax payer funded abortions, or when Romney had an ad that said Newt resigned in disgrace?
Both of those charges by Romney were flat out false and he damned well knew it. Strange, I didn’t see a post from you on FA calling Romney a bunch of immature school yard names when he lied about Gingrich…
@Mitchell Smith: You said:
No, change the channel; and btw, your objectivity is stellar.
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Thanks, Curt! The reply button works!
Wow… must be a slow night for so many of our FA community to spend leaving breadcrumbs for one with one who demonstrates the pseudo-intelligence and posting style of a hybrid libdud and Ivan. LOL But hey, you all entertain yourselves to your heart’s desire.
BTW, as to the latest FA gnat who’s entered the fray, and lowered the debate quality to that of preschool level, I’ve been addressing the NRO article by Elliott Abrams on the Fred Thompson Newt endorsement thread. It starts with my comment #7, but I just may make this an authored post for a quick reference to straighten out the talking points, and reconcile them with reality.
Heaven help us from voters that get their education from soundbites, and demonstrate no curiosity to get the full story.
@Richard Wheeler: I think you may be giving Obama a tad bit too much credit for being “one of the best pols” of our time.
@anticsrocks: America still hates Newt Gingrich. Deal with it.
are we checking numbers now, we must concentrate, a bit,
MATA, hear that you’re 195, anticsrocks you’re 196, and I am 197, so who has the next move?
ar ya goin to play Donald Bly ?
@anticsrocks: My objectivity is 100% on the money. Deal with it.
winner take all?
edit, thank you for playing
@MataHarley: You sound just like Newt. Don’t like the story… shoot the messenger. Obviously, you know more about the conversation than Abrams does. It’s like you were right there.
ROFLMAO @Mitchell Smith:
You guys crack me up… a gaggle of old coots trying to stay relevant. Sad.
@Mitchell Smith: Coming from the guy that is saying the most asnine things I have heard in a long time
Laughing is always good. And you comedy brings a smile to my face.
@Stix: Could you possibly make any MORE mistakes in one post? And, I don’t think you’re laughing. The truth’s too painful.
@Mitchell Smith: You said:
Yet you are the one who keeps leaving comments… Sadly interesting.
@Mitchell Smith: And @Mitchell Smith: LOL, you reply twice to just say, “Deal with it.” Yet you completely ignore the points I made.
Talk about sad. But I don’t blame you, Mitch. I mean if you are unable to have a real debate / discussion, I understand. It isn’t your fault that you can’t keep up.
You just stick to those silly little ad hominem attacks, false statements and immature name calling. That seems to work much better for you.
However if you have the stones, I will gladly have a real debate / discussion with you.
@bees…. Had to go host a poker tournament so couldn’t take my shot at 200.
@Mata… I read the Abrams article… any time someone quotes a part of a sentence it usually means that the balance that would place it all in context doesn’t support the author’s argument.
@Mitchell… I hope your job hunt goes well and that you eventually land a position somewhere.
Go Newt 2012
Donald Bly
yes I knew you where busy, so I took it for you, and you can have it any time you want, we have very powerful friends here to help on it, bye
@anticsrocks: Just here to remind you that AMERICA DEFINITELY HATES NEWT GINGRICH. Continue to entertain yourselves with these pseudo-intellectual musings until Newt gets dumped. Bad day on the horizon for Mr. Gingrich. Enjoy.
@Mitchell Smith: THIS is your idea of a debate? All you are doing is presenting your OPINION, not facts.
Have a nice day!
You folks have borrowed more than all the world currencies combined.
Time now for living on 70%:
10% short time debt
10% long time debt
10% savings
@oil guy from Alberta: Just trying to get your fucking oil, Canuck! Maybe we can make a dent in our insane energy dependence.
Other than that, I don’t need a fucking economics lesson from a guy who buys his shitty Labatts with loons.
Mitchell Smith
why don’t you go and fu.. yourself, you like the word?
eat it
Well, oil guy… I see you drew the rude and illiterate kindergartner out again… shame on you for leaving political PB&J and gummy bear crumbs. LOL
’tis a pity that the US POTUS won’t actually confirm what is a mutual benefit for Canada and the US for energy and trade. I suspect that, after he gets his enviro wacko base back in his camp, he will. But the reality is, you don’t need the US for sale of Canadian oil. The rest of the Asian world is lining up for it. You will always win. It’s just the US and the US citizens that will lose if Obama plays politics too unbearably long.
Well, when folks run out of intelligent things to say, they resort to gutter talk. Right, Mitch?
Mitchell is just angry because he probably doesn’t have gainful employment, spends his days proofreading resumes and vents his frustration at those civil enough and qualified enough to actually hold a job.
@Donald Bly: @Donald Bly: Good morning, Newt sycophants! I assume you’re heading for the lifeboats this morning. Newt got his ass kicked last night, and the Florida polls will soon reflect that. Have a great day spinning it.
@MataHarley: Yet, you’re still talking about ME. You’ve fallen for the oldest trick in the book. Rookie mistake.
@MataHarley: I have found a way to get rich instantly!!
Hear me out, here is my plan…
I am going to buy Mitchell Smith for what he is actually worth, and then sell him for what he THINKS he’s worth!!
One percenters, here I come!!!
@anticsrocks: Still talking about ME. Winning.
@Mitchell Smith: LOL, yep you’re the winner.
The Winner – Bobby Bare
Your new title and 6 bucks will get you a cup of coffee at a Starbucks…
Grats
@anticsrocks: Y’all have fun now. Now that Newt’s officially finished, I have other folks to enlighten.
@Mitchell Smith: I really must apologize, Mitchell.
Sincerely
I mean I tried to see things your way…
Mitchell Smith’s position on politics
but I just couldn’t get my head that far up my ass.
Thanks for playing!
Form what I see Americans are falling in love with Newt and rightfully so. Newt has the passion, experience and ideas to move this country forward. I don’t know anyone who is passionate about Romney. Romney has always been a liberal at heart and most conservatives know that. I don’t see how a true conservative can vote for him. If the media and establishment were not backing him, he would have no votes. If Romney were to win, most conservatives would vote the less liberal in (Romney) over Obama, but they will not be happy about it. Some may choose not vote at all.
@Sam: I’m not saying your heart is in the wrong place, Sam, but could you point me to any poll anywhere to give your assertion some credence?
DrJohn
what does the polls have something to do with the people which have not voted yet,
your POST reflect your ideas not the other, NEWT IS our choice so far he is standing for those who want to vote for him, and they are many of them still waiting.
Sam is right, NEWT IS THE BEST, the polls don’t read minds
SAM
you said something very important, that is the AMERICANS need to be happy with their votes this time as they never have ; the last time was because they have been told lies, from the MEDIA, and from those who where paid to sell THE GUY,
this time the vote belong to the AMERICANS, THE PEOPLE choosing their PRESIDENT TO SERVE THEM, NOT FOREIGN COUNTRIES; BUT ONLY AMERICA FOR AMERICANS OF GOOD WILL.
FOX said , ROMNEY have a big crowd on his rally, how much did he pay to get them drag on his stage,
NEWT has less but they choose to come on their free will alone
@ilovebeeswarzone: Bees, if Newt can’t win the primaries, he can’t win the election. I am not arguing with your choices, just being pragmatic.
Newt’s already won one primary…. the exact same as Romney but the establishment repukes have ordained Romney… screw them and their elitist bullshit… Newt 2012
@drjohn: Unfortunately we might never know if Newt could win in the primaries, because Romney, the establishment and the MSM won’t let it be a fair contest.
NEWT GINGRISH GO MAN, YOU MUST WIN, BECAUSE ROMNEY IS AN ASS, AND NOBODY WANT AN ASS TO REPLACE AN ASS.
NOW ROMNEY WHAT ELSE DO YOU WANT TO SAY AGAINST NEWT, YOU ARE THE LOWEST OF ALL THE CANDIDATES WHICH HAVE BEEN ON THE CAMPAIGN, YOU DON’T DESERVE THE JOB, GET OUT OF THE WAY AND LEAVE THE PRESIDENCY TO ONE WITH MORE CLASS THAN YOU’LL NEVER HAVE,
BERNIE MARCUS,
YOU SHOULD KNOW THIS; NEWT NEVER ATTACK CAPITALIST in any way or shape,
he saw clear in ROMNEY FROM THE BEGINNING AND ATTACK HIM FOR LYING ON HIS DISCLOSURE OF
INVESTMENTS IN FOREIGN COUNTRIES.
CHECK IT UP YOURSELF THAT NEWT IS FOR CAPITALIST AND HE IS A CONSERVATIVE AND WANT AMERICA TO WORK AND SUCCEED.
DrJohn
well you where right on, does it mean that he has the win all over to debate OBAMA?
or he will have other debates in other STATES to become the only top men?
okay I read it at FOX, many more STATES TO TAKE,
THE GAME IS STILL GOING ON.
@ilovebeeswarzone: Well beezy, take heart. The vote broke down like this:
Romney 46%
Newt 32%
Santorum 13%
Paul 7%
Now if it were only Romney and Newt in the race, then one could make the assumption that Newt, Santorum and RP are splitting the anti-Romney vote. Therefore, the results could have looked something like this:
Newt 52%
Romney 46%
If Newt can raise enough money to outlast Santorum and RP, then he can win the nomination. No candidate drops out because they think they cannot win, they drop out because of a lack of funds.
anticsrocks
yes that’s what I was thinking while following the numbers, I was adding up the last 2 box and add GINGRISH, I was asking myself, is that a run to win for the right reason to save AMERICA, OR FOR EACH SELF SELFISH GREED FOR POWER which the 2 last candidates have no chance to get in,
even ROMNEY GOT ME VERY ANGRY, because he over use his power to not only send negatives multi- thousands of lies negatives adds, but was regurgitating with a few words arrogantly put with a cruel smile,,
he really then show me who his insights was, that to me was dark instinct and cruel person,
I then pictured him as the PRESIDENT, and he did not fit in that job compare to NEWT,
BYE
@Mitchell Smith: Hey Mitchie baby- you fancy yourself to be an intellect of some sort? Perhaps you are but a legend in your own mind, and nothing more- I do not have to defend Mata- she is perfectly capable of eviscerating you verbally all by her lonesome, so beware of whom you pick a fight with, unless you know your opponent. You might just get mauled.