Get off Tebow’s back. Especially you, Maher [Reader Post]

C Andrew Scott
you just attack another man using his free speech right, in his own CHURCH WITH HIS COMMUNITY,
who like the message as we notice,
don’t worry about me, I WILL SURVIVE WITH THE BIT OF INTELLIGENCE I HAVE,
AND THE IGNORANCE TOO, BECAUSE I know my limits,
it’s better than I can see and say about you.

C Andrew Scott
your not hypocrite are you?
do you mean you want to vote for RICK SANTORUM?
YOU SAY HE INVADE YOUR SPACE? ARE YOU THE DEVILS GOON?
YES HE INVADE THE DEVIL’S SPACE, AND HE TOLD HIM TO LEAVE WITH HIS GOONS,
GOOD JOB

C Andrew Scott
you are interfering with my stove dry pan browning my flower for my pork ragout,
it cannot be allow to burn, so I’LL be brief, do you know about the 7.6 massive EARTHQUAKE
WHICH HIT MEXICO AS NOW THEY ANNOUNCE, AND MALIA THE DAUGHTER OF OBAMA IS IN MEXICE BUT NOBODY MENTION IF SHE IS AROUND AND OKAY.
YES I will read it again, and retract if I don’t find the word GOD IN IT, BUT CREATOR IS AS GOOD AS GOD TO ME
BACK TO MY BROWN FLOWER, wow it smell good in the house,
take care oh MANNING IS WITH THE BRONCO

anticsrocks
wow, this is so well explained, it is a gift you just took the time in a peaceful
and tolerant self control poise to give a lesson on history of the ones who put the foundation on this
NEW REPUBLIC, THEY HAD A VISION OF WHAT IS NEEDED TO PROTECT THE AMERICANS COMING FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD TO EMBRACE ONLY ONE NAME, ONLY ONE TONGUE ,
THAT IS I AM AN AMERICAN,
THANK YOU.

@anticsrocks:doubtful.

Maher is a perfect example of what’s wrong with the liberal culture. He’s pompously vulgar and disrespectful while spitting all over the likes of Tim Tebow and all that’s right with America.

Dennis Terry and Rick Santorum are both perfect examples of what’s wrong with the conservative culture. they are both vain, hateful, and intolerant…while spitting all over the likes of non-Christians and all that is TRULY “American”.

*someone get CAS a towel, he has egg on his face…*

as always…you keep pushing the revisionist theory. when did i ever say that the Founding Fathers were not “men of faith”? hmmm? i did not. what i did point out is…Bee keeps wanting to talk about a “VISION OF WHAT IS NEEDED TO PROTECT THE AMERICANS COMING FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD TO EMBRACE ONLY ONE NAME, ONLY ONE TONGUE” how “American” of Bee to imply that only one “faith” and one “language” is the vision of the Framers of our Constitution. oh, how “American”!

when i read such statements, it makes me quite sad that such closed-minded people still exist. i am thankful she is not “American” but i am quite aware that people like her exist in my backyard.

you call me “arrogant” but your response in itself is no different. also…you (again, as always) missed my point or helped me prove it.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

i guess you didn’t bother reading when i asked Bee to read the Constitution, because she keeps confusing it with the Declaration. seems you do to.

the Constitution is a secular document which clearly protects the rights of ALL people. too many people in this thread seem to think that only “Christian” Americans deserve to be “free”. sad.

i posted that video as an example of the extremists from the religious Right, who are NO BETTER than those terrorists who crashed planes. Terry is a religious zealot who deals in fear and hate. the sad fact that Bee applaud him and you support his “freedom” and condemn Maher’s in the same breath is hypocritical. if you have no problem with Terry’s bigoted speech, i feel sorry for you.

So a minister preaching in a private church is invading your space? A minister proclaiming that he believes in one, true God is filth and hatred? A minister EXERCISING his First Amendment right of free speech somehow violates yours???

hmmm? is there anything such as a “public” church? it is not his proclamation of his faith i have a problem with…it is the unAmerican rhetoric he spoke of…suggesting that non-Christians “leave”??? the biggest problem i have with this speech is that he was introducing Rick Santorum on his campaign trail…somehow weaving a religious extremist with a presidential candidate. i suppose if this was Maher introducing Obama…you guys would have another dozen threads devoted to how “wrong” they were. so explain to me how Terry is “right”, but Maher isn’t? freedom of speech, right?

but during all of this…i remember why i haven’t come back here in some time. the conversations are not entertaining or informing. all i learn is that there are more intolerant people like you and Bee out there and only further pushes me to vote for Obama to keep the Christian Taliban from taking away my Constitutional, not “god given”, rights.

ironically, i’m quite relieved that John Elway and the Broncos organization “saw the light” and will be trading Tebow. the reality is…Tebow will likely be out of the league sooner than later and i won’t have to hear his name every 3 minutes and 16 seconds.

make a great future. get used to the fact that you have to share it with others.

@C Andrew Scott: You poor misguided fool. Where do I start? LOL

You said:

as always…you keep pushing the revisionist theory. when did i ever say that the Founding Fathers were not “men of faith”? hmmm? i did not. what i did point out is…Bee keeps wanting to talk about a “VISION OF WHAT IS NEEDED TO PROTECT THE AMERICANS COMING FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD TO EMBRACE ONLY ONE NAME, ONLY ONE TONGUE” how “American” of Bee to imply that only one “faith” and one “language” is the vision of the Framers of our Constitution. oh, how “American”!

So it is un-American to insist on one language?

Hmmm, what was it that Teddy Roosevelt said? Oh yeah! I remember and you should really like this because he was a progressive, damn near a socialist in many respects and you can look up to him. So here is what Teddy said about immigration, emphasis mine:

In the first place we should insist that the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equity with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace or origin. But this is predicated upon the man’s becoming an American and nothing but an American. There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American but something else also, isn’t an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag, and this excludes the red flag which symbolizes all wars against liberty and civilization, just as much as it excludes any flag of a nation to which we are hostile. We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language…and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.” Theodore Roosevelt in a letter to the American Defense Society in 1919.

Damn! Looks like you just got pre-emptively stabbed in the back by a few decades! lol

As to your assertion that you did not say the Founding Fathers weren’t men of faith. You said that these men of faith didn’t use God’s Wisdom (as Ms. Beez pointed out), when they oversaw the birth of our country.

Bee makes the revisionist argument that the Founding Fathers of America used “GOD WISDOM” which is completely inaccurate.

Let me educate you, as it is clear you drastically need it. The Founding Fathers drew heavily upon the writings of John Locke. Do you even know who he is? Locke was a scholar and philosopher who wrote about unalienable rights and the social compact well before Thomas Jefferson penned our own Declaration of Independence.

The Founding Fathers drew heavily upon English philosopher John Locke in establishing America’s First Principles, most notably the recognition of unalienable rights, the Social Compact, and limited government.

Born on August 29, 1632, in Wrington, England, Locke was trained as a physician, but quickly became an influential political theorist closely associated with the Whig party of England. He wrote several revolutionary political works, including Some Thoughts Concerning Education, A Letter Concerning Toleration, and An Essay Concerning Human Understanding.

Locke’s most profound and influential writings were his First and Second Treatise of Civil Government (1689). Written to defend the Glorious Revolution of 1688, in the Second Treatise, Locke explained that in a state of nature men and women were free to pursue and defend there own interests, which resulted in a brutal state of war. To escape this warfare, individuals established government to secure the peace. Locke noted that there could be “no freedom” without a Social Compact of laws, because “liberty is to be free from restraint and violence from others; which cannot be where there is no law.”

Unlike his English rival Thomas Hobbes, Locke argued that because governments were instituted to protect the unalienable rights of individuals, they had no power other than what was necessary to protect such rights. In other words, a free and just government was necessarily a limited government.

His sentiments are reflected in the Declaration of Independence and undergird the Constitution.

So you see, the Founders drew heavily from Locke and his ideas that our rights come to us from our Creator. Whereas you espouse the idea that our rights come from…well, I honestly don’t know where you think they come from. You said:

all i learn is that there are more intolerant people like you and Bee out there and only further pushes me to vote for Obama to keep the Christian Taliban from taking away my Constitutional, not “god given”, rights.

Pray tell, where do your rights come from? Please explain the social compact. If you assert your Constitutional rights come from the government, then what is to stop the government from infringing upon those rights? If you are dependent on other men to give you your rights, then in that subservient role, how do you redress the grievances that come when they confiscate your rights?

Definition of unalienable, as in unalienable rights:

Unalienable Rights

The First Principle of unalienable rights recognizes that everyone is naturally endowed by their Creator with certain rights that cannot be infringed or given away

The Declaration of Independence proclaims as a self-evident truth the First Principle that “all men are endowed, by their Creator, with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.”

Thomas Jefferson explained the essence of the Founding Fathers understanding regarding the First Principle of unalienable rights when he wrote that“afree people claims their rights as derived from the laws of nature, and not as a gift from their chief magistrate.” A basic maxim of American government is the recognition that some rights derived from Nature may not be taken or violated by the government.

This First Principle turned topsy-turvy the prior understanding of authority and rights. Putting aside a few ancient democracies and republics, Kings and nobility historically were the origin of authority, and they granted rights and privileges to their subjects. The people held their liberties were dependent upon the pleasure of the rulers.

Nevertheless, America boldly proclaimed at its birth that some rights were endowed by man’s very nature – and that individuals are incapable of relinquishing them. Because these rights are endowed in people from Nature’s God, they are inherent in each individual and cannot be abandoned – in other words, such rights are unalienable.

In other words, “the sacred rights of mankind,” Alexander Hamilton observed, “are not to be rummaged for among old parchments or musty records. They are written, as with a sunbeam, in the whole volume of human nature, by the hand of divinity itself, and can never be erased or obscured by mortal power.”

The recognition and protection of unalienable rights is a centerpiece of America’s First Principles. – Source

So you see, CAS you are the only one here throwing the hissy fit about rights. On one hand you claim that your “leaders aren’t the ones scrambling to take away the FREEDOMS of individuals and the RIGHTS of AMERICANS,” without defining who they are or what they are taking, nor even how they are trying to take those rights. Then on the other hand you want to silence anyone who espouses a view that you don’t agree with, and not only do you wish to silence them, you do so with much venom and hatred.

I truly feel sorry for you, CAS. Your limited, immature world view fills you with such hate that it blinds you to even basic understanding of the epistemology of our country’s founding. Locke, Montesquieu and many other great thinkers were relied on to craft the documents that have made this country the greatest on the face of the earth.

So, go ahead and rant some more, then sign off by saying “make a great day” so that you can feel better about yourself.

Oh, and by the way, I don’t confuse the Declaration of Independence with the Constitution at all; and if you would like, I can discuss them both in detail.

@ilovebeeswarzone:
@anticsrocks:

you are a sad lot of hypocrites drunk on your own blind faith and ignorance.

keep drinkin’ the Kool-Aid.

@ilovebeeswarzone: actually, Bee…i won’t turn blue. i won’t get ulcers. i won’t lose any sleep because Tebow is still playing in the NFL.

sadly, and i’ve tried to state this before in vain, YOU are the one producing “poison” with your hypocritical point-of-view regarding “freedom”. you clearly only care about “Christians” (or other people who at least conform to your beliefs). you’ve stated numerous times your thoughts on Muslims, immigrants, etc.

ironically…and i’ll point it out for the billionth time…YOU are NOT American.

i do not care how you worship…only that you respect the rights of others. i do not care what god you believe in or what language you speak. i only ask that you do not twist your “loving” propaganda against those who have other beliefs, other languages, or other cultural influences.

i’m amazed at the backlash from you and your friend “antics” and i find it comical that either of you still insist on trying to “educate” me on the Constitution (my degree is in History, Race Relations & Immigration). aside from the fact that you clearly want to avoid the double-standard you feel to impose on a comedian making a poor joke about a mediocre athlete, simply because the athlete is a devout Christian is laughable. but to further insist that America is and should always be a “Christian Nation” is simply insulting.

“I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people with declared their legislature should ‘make no law respecting, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,’ thus building a wall of separation between church and State. ~ Thomas Jefferson, Founding Father

“I Believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute.” ~ John F. Kennedy, Demorcatic President

“We establish no religion in this country, we command no worship, we mandate no belief, nor will we ever. Church and state are, and must remain, separate.” ~ Ronald Reagan, Republican President

yet Santorum, who you have openly supported, believes differently…and you agree with him.

“I don’t believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute.” ~ Rick Santorum, Presidential Hopeful

i’m sorry, Bee…and antics. you are free to believe whatever you like…but your “faith” does not change the FACT that the Founding Fathers did not simply employ the Ten Commandments in our founding documents. we are NOT a “Christian Nation”. we are a nation that was built by immigrants from around the world. why Christians cannot share this great nation with all its freedoms and opportunities peacefully is something i will never quite comprehend. (ah…i understand. it is against their beliefs)

again…this thread was about freedom of speech…or a skewed attempt to create an “attack” on Christianity. you cannot defend one man’s freedom while condemning another. that IS hypocritical, do you not see that?

but i digress…you have made your point loud and clear, despite how incredibly wrong you are.

C Andrew Scott
I’m getting tired of your lies about me, you say words that i never said, I told you before about the word FAITH YOU SPIT AND I HAD NOT MENTION IT IN MY SENTENCE,
YOU START THIS NASTY EXCHANGE YOURSELF BY INSULTING A NEW COMMENTER WHICH YOU NEVER HEARD OF AND HE NEVER COMMUNICATED WITH YOU, AND ANTICSROCKS THANK HIM FOR SUCH A NICE COMMENT, AND YOU CAME BACK SPITTING AGAIN, I know your profile and was not about to let you get away with that, so you are in the pit trying to get out by insulting us, why do you bring trouble every time you come, that is because you are one trouble maker, distorting my words,
on every one of your comments, this is my last answer to you, unless I see fit to address your lies
and arrogance, you never where attack by TEBOW, YOU NEVER WHERE ATTACK BY THE CHRISTIAN
COMMENT OF THE PREVIOUS VISITOR SPEAKING HIS MIND, YOU NEVER WHERE ATTACK BY THE BAPTIST MINISTER EXPRESSING WHAT A MAJORITY ARE SEEING THAT THEY IN GOVERNMENT ARE TRYING TO HIDE TO THE YOUNG THE REAL AMERICA, WITH THE CONSTITUTION AS LAWS FOLLOWED BY THE FIRST GENERATIONS ANS SO ON TIL NOW AND HE WAS TELLING OF HOW THE FLAG IS INSULTED AND DENIED IN PUBLIC SPACES AND MANY SCHOOLS, IT IS SO IN YOUR FACE NOW ONLY AN IDIOT WON’T SEE IT, HE , THE SAME MINISTER POINT OUT HOW THE LEADERS TREAT THE CHRISTIANS LIKE YOU DO , DIS RESPECT WHAT IS PRESENT IN THE BIG NUMBER OF AMERICANS AND WHAT YOU SAY IS THE CONTRARY, INSTEAD IT’S THE CHRISTIANS WHICH ARE BEING UNDER ATTACK BY PEOPLE LIKE YOU SPITTING TO HUMILIATE THE ONE PRAYING GOD,
NOBODY IS ATTACKING YOU, BUT YOU ARE THE ATTACKER HERE, AND YOU ARE NOT ALONE, IT IS GETTING TIRESOME
TO HEAR YOU REPEATING IT, BUT I WONT LET YOU GET AWAY WITH IT,
NOBODY NEED TO TAKE WITHOUT GIVING, I AM ON YOUR BACK TO GET EVEN IN THE BALANCE OF RIGHT TO WRONG,
OH BY THE WAY YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT HERE WE ARE ALL DIFFERENT AN NO ONE IS TRYING TO PUSH HIS FAITH ON
OTHER, UNLESS WE HAVE TO PUT SOME LIBS ON CHECK FOR ATTACKING OTHER.
HOW COME YOU DIDN’T KNOW THAT?

@ilovebeeswarzone: Bee…i am not a “lib” coming here to attack. i’m a “person” coming her to defend.

i have not twisted your words…YOU have been the one disrespecting non-Christian American’s freedoms. YOU have been the one who supports hatred like Terry’s. YOU have been the one denouncing Muslims and atheists. YOU have been the one attempting to twist MY nation’s history and applaud your fellow “rats” when they come to your rescue.

all that Mr. Wheeler was pointing out is the same as i have all along. YOU are a hypocrite. Bill Maher is a comedian. he made a joke. you don’t like it. big deal. this is America. freedoms do not simply apply to Christians and Tim Tebow.

speaking of which…Matthew 6:5…

And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.

you applaud one man’s faith and disrespect another. you defend one man’s freedom and condemn another. you are hypocrite and a bigot…and you have made that clear throughout this thread.

i did not “attack” Terry…i merely pointed out that he was not preaching “love” as Jesus most likely intended…he is preaching hatred and discrimination…and you defend him. that is sad.

i am done here. i will not respond to anymore of your fishing for a fight. you are blind. i am not the one filled with hate. if you are truly the loving person that you claim to be…open your eyes and realize that ALL people, NOT just Christians, are equal. if you can’t accept that…then i will ask my religious friends to pray for your soul.

@C Andrew Scott: Part 2

And we can see this philosophy of Jefferson’s in other examples from his writings and speeches:

[N]o power over the freedom of religion . . . [is] delegated to the United States by the Constitution. Kentucky Resolution, 1798

In matters of religion, I have considered that its free exercise is placed by the Constitution independent of the powers of the general [federal] government. Second Inaugural Address, 1805

[O]ur excellent Constitution . . . has not placed our religious rights under the power of any public functionary. Letter to the Methodist Episcopal Church, 1808

I consider the government of the United States as interdicted [prohibited] by the Constitution from intermeddling with religious institutions . . . or exercises. Letter to Samuel Millar, 1808

I am glad you quoted Ronald Reagan, I am just perplexed as to why you didn’t include enough of his statement so as to provide context. Oh wait, that’s right because had you done that, it would have obvious what President Reagan was saying:

You know, when you talk about human life, I think that means seeing that the immeasurable pain of the Holocaust is never dehumanized, seeing that its meaning is never lost on this generation or any future generation, and, yes, seeing that those who take our place understand: never again.

Now, perhaps that message should again be impressed on those who question why we went on a peacekeeping mission to Lebanon. Indeed, anyone who remembers the lesson of the Holocaust must understand that we have a fundamental moral obligation to assure: never again.

To help preserve that lesson for future generations, I’m satisfied that our General Services Administration has approved the use of the old Customs House by the New York City Holocaust Memorial Commission as a means of commemorating the Holocaust. And it will be a museum of the Jewish people in the Diaspora. It will serve to remind our children and our children’s children the tragic consequences of bigotry and intolerance.

We in the United States, above all, must remember that lesson, for we were founded as a nation of openness to people of all beliefs. And so we must remain. Our very unity has been strengthened by our pluralism. We establish no religion in this country, we command no worship, we mandate no belief, nor will we ever. Church and state are, and must remain, separate. All are free to believe or not believe, all are free to practice a faith or not, and those who believe are free, and should be free, to speak of and act on their belief.

At the same time that our Constitution prohibits state establishment of religion, it protects the free exercise of all religions. And walking this fine line requires government to be strictly neutral. And government should not make it more difficult for Christians, Jews, Muslims, or other believing people to practice their faith. And that’s why, when the Connecticut Supreme Court struck down a statute — and you may not have heard about this; it was a statute protecting employees who observed the Sabbath. Well, our administration is now urging the United States Supreme Court to overturn the Connecticut Court decision. This is what I mean by freedom of religion, and that’s what we feel the Constitution intends.

Your insistence on rewriting the history of our country reminds me of a John Adams’ quote:

“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.” – John Adams arguing in defense of the British soldiers in the Boston Massacre trials, 1770.

With your degree in history, I am sure that you will hold up the idea that a man’s words should not be taken out of context, unless you are deigning to know better Jefferson’s and Reagan’s words and meanings than they did. If that is the case, then our nation is sorely lacking in not having your esteemed leadership in a public, official function.

Again, I truly feel sorry for you. Your hatred and venom must exact a high price as you go about your everyday activities. You go ahead and convince yourself that we were not founded on Judea-Christian principles, that our very system of laws has no basis in religion teachings, that this great country is, as Reagan said a, “shining city on a hill” where men have fought and died so that you CAS, can believe whatever twisted view of our history that you wish.

Now YOU go out and “make a great day.”

good for you