27 Nov

More proof that AGW really is a load of manure [Reader Post]

The real cause of global warming

The leak of more emails from East Anglia makes painfully clear why climate “scientists” desparately want to prevent dissemination of their internal communications.

More than 5,000 documents have been leaked online purporting to be the correspondence of climate scientists at the University of East Anglia who were previously accused of ‘massaging’ evidence of man-made climate change.

Following on from the original ‘climategate’ emails of 2009, the new package appears to show systematic suppression of evidence, and even publication of reports that scientists knew to to be based on flawed approaches.

And not only do the emails paint a picture of scientists manipulating data, government employees at the Department for the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra) are also implicated.

One scientist made things pretty clear:

‘I also think the science is being manipulated to put a political spin on it which for all our sakes might not be too clever in the long run,’ wrote another.

And there’s this:

Clive Crook, a commentator for the Atlantic, who described the earlier inquiries into the Climategate emails as ‘ineffectual’ and ‘mealy mouthed’, reportedly said, ‘The closed-mindedness of these supposed men of science, their willingness to go to any lengths to defend a preconceived message, is surprising even to me.

‘The stink of intellectual corruption is overpowering.’

And the Mann “hockey stick” is trashed:

Take this from first principles.

A tree only grows on land. That excludes 70% of the earth covered by water. A tree does no grow on ice. A tree does not grow in a desert. A tree does not grow on grassland-savannahs. A tree does not grow in alpine areas. A tree does not grow in the tundra We are left with perhaps 15% of the planet upon which forests grow/grew. That does not make any studies from tree rings global, or even hemispheric.

The width and density of tree rings is dependent upon the following variables which cannot be reliably separated from each other. sunlight – if the sun varies, the ring will vary. But not at night of course.

cloudiness – more clouds, less sun, less ring.

pests/disease – a caterpillar or locust plague will reduce photosynthesis

access to sunlight – competition within a forest can disadvantage or advantage some trees.

moisture/rainfall – a key variable. Trees do not prosper in a droughteven if there’s a heat wave.

snow packing in spring around the base of the trees retards growth temperature – finally!

The tree ring is a composite of all these variables, not merely of temperature. Therefore on the 15% of the planet covered by trees, their rings do not and cannot accurately record temperature in isolation from the other environmental variables.

In my article on Greening Earth Society on the Hockey Stick, I point to other evidence which contradicts Mann’s theory. The Idso’s have produced more of that evidence, and a new article on Greening Earth has `unearthed’ even more.

Mann’s theory simply does not stack up. But that was not the key issue. Anyone can put up a dud theory from time to time. What is at issue is the uncritical zeal with which the industry siezed on the theory before its scientific value had been properly tested. In one go, they tossed aside dozens of studies which confirmed the existence of the MWE and LIA as global events, and all on the basis of tree rings – a proxy which has all the deficiencies I have stated above.

The worst thing I can say about any paper such as his is that it is `bad science’. Legal restraint prevents me going further. But in his case, only those restraints prevent me going *much* further.

Cheers
John Daly

via Doug

A complete review is here

AGW is a load of crap. It is clear that it is nothing more than politics and designed to be redistributionism in science drag.

“I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith’s to hide the decline.”

“Oh what a tangled web we weave, When first we practice to deceive”

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25 Responses to More proof that AGW really is a load of manure [Reader Post]

  1. Nan G says: 1

    Have you all been reading those 5,200 newly leaked emails?
    I think the conspiracy between these climate con artists and the BBC in the UK is the worst.
    The British press is catching on, too.

    Britain’s leading green activist research centre spent £15,000 on seminars for top BBC executives in an apparent bid to block climate change sceptics from the airwaves, a vast new cache of leaked ‘Climategate’ emails has revealed.
    ….
    BBC insiders say the close links between the Corporation and the UEA’s two climate science departments, the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) and the Tyndall Centre for Climate Research, have had a significant impact on its coverage.

    ‘Following their lead has meant the whole thrust and tone of BBC reporting has been that the science is settled, and that there is no need for debate,’ one journalist said. ‘If you disagree, you’re branded a loony.

    ….
    In September 2001, another email reveals, Mr Harrabin and Prof Smith [of the BBC] wrote to Prof Hulme, asking what the BBC should do to mark a climate summit the following year.

    They said his suggestions would be ‘circulated among relevant BBC decision-makers’, while instead of confining himself to news and current affairs, he should also feel free to recommend ideas for ‘drama, music, game shows’.

    Wow!
    Not just pal-reviewed ”science,” but also drama, music and game show ideas should flow from climate con artists for BBC to disseminate to their viewing public!

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  2. Skookum says: 2

    Doc, sometimes an unlettered bushman can contribute meaningfully to the concept of analyzing tree ring data and the influencing factors. For instance did the tree grow in a shaded area with competition for sunlight from older tree and a canopy that limits growth of younger trees?

    Did the tree grow on a hill with steep runoff angles so that there was only minnimal temporary rainfall available for water?

    Did the tree grow with a minnimum of soil with bedrock close to the surface?

    What was the chemical analysis of the soil and did it provide adequate nutrients or was a sterile soil?

    Fire is a major factor in maintaining healthy forests; unfortunately, our new forestry systems require putting out fires, until the fuel available becomes a potential catastrophe. Were the rings from a natural “healthy” forest or a carefully managed man-made forest? Comparing trees from different circumstances will allow a scientist to milk the results for whatever conclusion he is being paid for.

    I could write for the rest of the day on trees and the circumstances that inhibit their growth or contribute to accelerate their growth, but it should be obvious that a bushman can look at a tree before he falls the tree and tell the researcher what kind of rings to expect on the stump. LOL

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  3. Ivan says: 3

    Since NASA was part of this hoax, it serves as a reminder why we need to de-fund NASA.

    Privatize it and see what becomes of it.

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  4. DrJohn says: 4

    @Skookum: We should all aspire to be such an “unlettered bushman.”

    :-)

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  5. liberalmann says: 5

    The entire world believes in Climate Change and man’s involvement except certain loony Americans. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

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  6. DrJohn says: 6

    @liberalmann: The same people also believed the Earth was flat.

    If you have the data, you share the data, you don’t “lose” it.

    If you have the data, the results are repeatable and don’t demand to be hidden behind FOIA.

    There is just too much crap for anyone of sound mind to buy into this.

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  7. Wm T Sherman says: 7

    Liberalmann = Michael Mann.

    I recognized the characteristic sophistication of its argument at once.

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  8. Mannie says: 8

    There is no such thing as Climate Science. These criminals have destroyed any claim they may have had to being scientists, or that they were working in a valid field. Nothing in their field can ever be believed unless it has been reviewed by adversaries who are made to agree with it. They have so trashed peer review, that it is now suspect in all fields.

    It gets worse. They have altered the raw data. No one knows, or can know, what the original temperature data was. This means that all climate research must be thrown out, and another hundred years of data collected, as a minimum. They have set fire to their own science. There can be no climate science based on temperature data for another hundred years.

    So-called Climate Science is nothing but political polemics.

    It’s not Science unless Engineers are building stuff with it, or Physicians are curing people. I suppose there’s another exception or two.

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  9. Marine72 says: 9

    @liberalmann: We really appreciate your embrace of the classic BOHICA conundrum.

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  10. jim s says: 10

    @liberalmann: The entire left world believes they can con the West into believing this loony scam and so lead us all to self-destruction. Sadly it seems to be working so far…

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  11. DrJohn
    hi,
    I really like the mobile image, unusual and funny, did you notice the pad or is it
    a laptop with a moving image in too, AND a real camp fire,
    WITH THE PENGUIN ROASTING IN
    you could not have found better for an excellent POST ALSO,
    THANK YOU,
    IT SURE IS BETTER THAN GORE

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  12. anticsrocks says: 12

    Excellent post sir!

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  13. DrJohn says: 13

    @ilovebeeswarzone: Hey Bees

    It’s a GIF file I found while rummaging about. It seemed to fit really well and add a bit of humor.

    Thanks!

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  14. DrJohn says: 14

    @anticsrocks: Thank you, sir!

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  15. Nan G says: 15

    That’s such a cute photo!
    It made me think of the photoshopped or not web site.
    You place the image’s url in the box and give it a minute.
    It tells you yea or nay.
    And WHY.

    Pretty cool!
    http://www.pskiller.com/

    The fact is, a bunch of climate warmists have used photoshop to try to drive home their case for parting us with our tax dollars.
    See, Photoshopping in the “worseness” by Anthony Watts
    here:
    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/11/25/photoshopping-in-the-worseness/

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  16. anticsrocks says: 16

    Nan, I have been posting here at FA for a while now and I have to say that you are a wealth of information. You are able to find relevant stories, articles or commentary on just about anything that comes up here at FA.

    Kudos to you.

    And thanks for what you do, as well.

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  17. I have a good one from FOX NEWS,
    3 born AMERICANS WON NOBEL PRIZE IN SCIENCE,
    they found the UNIVERSE EXPANDING ACCELARATION , WHICH will become
    increasingly COLD as matter is spread out across ever farther distances in space,
    the accelaration is believe to be driven by an unknown COSMIC POWER called
    DARK ENERGY, ONE OF THE GREAT MYSTERY OF THE UNIVERSE.
    the 3 winner won because they map the universe expansion found
    THE COSMOS WILL EVENTUALY FREEZE BECAUSE OF THE ACCELARATION.

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  18. Common Sense says: 18

    @liberalmann: Dude the whole world doesn’t believe in this crap. Put your Kool Aid down and get a grip on reality. By the way, the rest of the world also believed that 0-bama would be a great President, How’d that work out??

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  19. Blake says: 19

    @liberalmann: @ #5- really? you are so ignorant that you have NO skepticism as to the AGW hoax? Poor, poor, little man- to believe utterly in a theory(because that really is all that it is)- is to be completely like the people who stuck Galileo in a tower, because they believed utterly in the sun revolving around the earth. They were wrong.
    There are man-caused events that shift or alter the weather in local areas,(urban heat islands, clear-cutting of trees, etc.) but to shift or alter the entire climate on Earth is something I am skeptical of- sorry, but that is my opinion.

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  20. Hard Right says: 20

    Libtardman is just here to spew hatred then run. It was totally humiliated when it tried to debate a while back.

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  21. Houston says: 21

    Once again, science proves a theory does not equal fact.

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  22. John says: 22

    I like the entry where when the Mann formula is feed “noise”, it still produces a hockey-stick graph

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/11/27/climategate-2-email-briffa-replicates-mcintyre-mckitrick-produces-hockey-sticks-out-of-noise/

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  23. DrJohn
    and I just notice one bear singing too, the one with the computer. awesome so many moving item
    in one image

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  24. UpChuck.Liberals says: 24

    The only two things I see wrong with that gif image is there are no Penguins in the Artic and those sodas should be Coke because of the FUD they’re spreading with their new commercials. My suggestion is that if Liberals are sooooo worried about global warming they head south and live in the jungles of South America with no TV’s, iPads, iPhones etc. Which of course they won’t do because their only goal is to make everyone else as miserable as they are.

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  25. Upchuck.Liberals
    hi,
    if they are so unhappy, and always protesting about AMERICANS, THEY FIND LAZY,
    they should be vote out of their jobs, because we have many good happy AMERICANS
    who would do the jobs, making all the people of every walk of life happy to be in this COUNTRY,
    BYE

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