Were the UC Davis Police Justified in Pepper Spraying Students?

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The following video offers a bit more context than the video clip that’s gone viral:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8Uj1cV97XQ[/youtube]

At least in this clip you can see a bit of what was going on prior to the police using oc sprays to try and disperse the students.

So what other alternative recourse should the UC police have taken? The students were certainly given fair warning.

HuffPo:

Charles J. Kelly, a former Baltimore Police Department lieutenant who wrote the department’s use of force guidelines, said pepper spray is a “compliance tool” that can be used on subjects who do not resist, and is preferable to simply lifting protesters.

“When you start picking up human bodies, you risk hurting them,” Kelly said. “Bodies don’t have handles on them.”

After reviewing the video, Kelly said he observed at least two cases of “active resistance” from protesters. In one instance, a woman pulls her arm back from an officer. In the second instance, a protester curls into a ball. Each of those actions could have warranted more force, including baton strikes and pressure-point techniques.

“What I’m looking at is fairly standard police procedure,” Kelly said.

What I find to be ridiculous is any comparison of “brave” students and supporters of the Occupy movements to brave protesters of the so-called “Arab Spring” uprisings; and also to how those in authority deal with the protests. I bet Syrians and Iranians would have much preferred OC sprays to what they’ve been experiencing at the hands of their government’s police and military.

Did the students have a more preferable means of being forcefully removed than what they experienced?

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hummm… admission of guilt from a desperately backtracking chancellor?

Asked if she believed police behaved properly, she said, “Technically speaking, the police followed protocol, but … protocol is not appropriate all the time … when you have a gathering of peaceful students.

“As we go forward, we’ll be asking some serious questions about what happened. We also have to ask very serious questions about how to deal with situations like that in the future. Are there changes that needed to be considered on these protocols?”

oh my… contrary to the belief of some, it seems that the campus police were following the UC Davis Chancellor’s emergency protocol procedures after all. Protocol is good… except when it isn’t.

???

Maybe that was the thrust of the UC Prez’s pow wow with the quivering-in-their-Birkenstocks Chancellors yesterday.

And, as anarchists will do, the tents are reappearing. Gee… surprise surprise.

More on the tents, and how fast they got back up at CNS News. And, of course, the cowering PC crowd at the university staff is now terrified of the mob rule. Hey, not good for future enrollment and money, ya know. So it’s another “let’s let ’em camp” bit… until, of course, that becomes another rat and feces infested wasteland when they don’t get tired of camping and the welcome mat is withdrawn downline..

The encampment went up again Monday hours after the campus police chief was put on administrative leave and the school’s chancellor was shouted down while trying to apologize for the incident.

University spokeswoman Claudia Morain said the school was monitoring the protest and did not say whether the students will be allowed to camp overnight. She said the school will take action “step by step” to balance campus security with people’s right to protest.

Hey… UC Davis… it’s all yours. Have at it. Whatever trash pile mounts up after this, you asked for it. But now that your campus police have done your bidding, via your own established “protocol” and regulations, and you’ve stabbed them in the back, you’d better pay them more for your disloyalty. Oh wait – that’ll increase tuition even more than these added security costs are already doing!

mata,

Well, you win on the perseverance front. I am going to enjoy the long weekend with my family. Way to many distortions and bizarre continually irrelevant points in your posts to bother with, but if anyone really wants to they can read what I have actually written and figure it out themselves.
I told you why I didn’t provide the link. I wanted to fleece you of some easy money. Since you ruined that by refusing to bet here it is.
http://www.ucop.edu/ucophome/coordrev/ucpolicies/documents/policepol_adminproc.pdf

Again Happy Thanksgiving

@Tony Duncan: Interesting. Are you a teacher at the University of California…? Or just a student? It’s no wonder you so blindly keep repeating the activist mantras like a broken record!

I think Mata wiped the floor with you.

Oh, my. Pepper-Spray Cops Placed on Leave

Meanwhile, a former Baltimore police lieutenant who saw the video called it “fairly standard police procedure.” Charles J. Kelly said he spotted two cases of “active resistance” from UC Davis protesters that justified pepper spray: a woman pulling her arm away from an officer and a demonstrator curling into a ball. The school’s police chief characterized the spraying as self-defense: “The students had encircled the officers,” she said. “They needed to exit. They were looking to leave but were unable to get out.”

But, being that the two lefty sympathizers with the anarchists hate police officers…undue pressure will be brought down on them, even though they were following fairly standard police procedures.

This is what is known as ‘active measures’….

Cao
hi,
they are playing the same game as OBAMA,
that is swiching the blame to the LAW OFFICERS.
AFTER SHE CALLED THEM FOR AN URGENT MATTER BECAUSE THERE WHERE SUSPICION THAT THE OTHER OWLS WHERE AMONG THE STUDENTS,
no wander the POLICE USED THE PEPPER SPRAY ON THEM
they act exactly like the owls, not like students protesting tuition at all,
bye

Keeping in mind that none of us are privy to what the Chancellor conveyed to the UC Davis police chief as action (she changes her story daily…), the UC Davis BMCDB (Biochemistry, Molecular, and Development Biology) has a blog with a more in depth account of the events. And this is from some who, of course, criticize the pepper spray incident. They, however, tend to hold the chancellor’s feet to the fire on this.

But the events, as constructed from several eyewitnesses paint a completely different story than what you see via edited video from one of the two circles of protesters, amateur vid types and observers. Emphasis is added by me.

What really happened last Friday?

On Wednesday night a rally on the Quad turned into an encampment. Several students set up tents in the center of the Memorial Union Quad with the intent of starting a Occupy UC Davis movement. The tents were clearly visible, but not really in anyone’s way. The reason was to support the students and faculty at UC Berkeley who were beaten with batons a week earlier, as well as the hefty (81%) tuition hike that UC plans to burden the students with.

[Mata Musing: the story about this so-called “tuition hike” is apparently a media fueled red herring, as the UC Davis News & Info says there was never a tuition hike considered for the remaining of the academic year. My my… I wonder who started the social media rumor… /sarc]

In the UC system it is illegal to set up tents on UC property and thereby these students broke UC rules. Just as in UC Berkeley a week earlier, the Chancellor ordered the police to remove the tents and just a week earlier this led to a confrontation between students and police in riot gear (this kind of thing is very par the course for UC campuses, check out what happened at Tent University in 2005 at UC Santa Cruz).

As a side note: Chancellor Katehi had a reason to want the Quad clear of tents, earlier this year a sexual assault occurred at the Whole Earth Festival which takes place in the Quad.

According to eye witnesses the police arrived on the scene and were gentle and kind escorting protesters away while focusing calmly on their assignment: removing the tents. This went without incident, until a protester resisted the removal of a tent and put under arrest.

As this was unfolding more and more bystanders gathered around the scene. With a few tents left standing a large circle had formed around the police and the protesters. In fact, two rings had formed with the inner ring largely recording the event up close and the outer ring just observing.

The other protesters did not agree with the person being arrested and decided to sit on the floor with their arms interlocked (according to UC Berkeley Chancellor Birgeneau this is not an act of non-violent civil disobedience). It appeared that the police felt threatened by the crowd that had formed around them. They had to make a decision whether to leave the scene or continue the arrest of the individual.

The police at the scene decided to continue the arrest and in doing so, they focused their attention on the small group sitting on the floor. They gently drove a police car closer to themselves and ordered those sitting on the floor to move. The protesters refused and the police repeated the order but this time with the threat of using pepper spray. The circle of sitting protesters did not prove to be a major barrier to the police, an officer stepped in and out of the circle several times without incidence. The presence of the two circles of protesters and observers caused the police to feel threatened, what happened next is the source of all the shocking images and video that have spread around the world.

Was all of this necessary? In retrospect, the answer is of course no. But at the time the police had to make a decision about continuing the arrest and how to deal with the perceived threat. Keep in mind that the police force in the US had been militarized over the years due to a high budget and small force. Most interacts of students and UCDPD had been civil and they still seemed open dialogue. Most student interactions with UCDPD is being stopped for ignoring a stop-sign on campus while on a bike or not having functioning lights on their bikes. Mostly innocent infractions.

But in this case, UCDPD had a helicopter flying over the scene. At the moment it is unclear what communication existed between the police force on the ground and those up in the helicopter. If people in the helicopter see a large body of student create a circle around their colleagues, it would not be a far stretch to think that they saw this as a potential threat. That the circle consisted of bystanders would not be known to the those in the helicopter.

A more logical scenario would that the police officers on the ground heard the call from the helicopter that they were encircled and they felt threatened and did not engage in a dialogue with those standing around them. Better known as miscommunication or lack of communication. But these are just speculations. For a better picture we have to wait for the outside agency to review the actions of the UCDPD.

All is never as simple as blind supporters of anarchy like to make it. Since these infestants cannot control their own radical and violent elements, there was no way for police to identify who is and is not about to become violent in either of the circles. Remember the “direct, indirect, veiled or conditional” description from the US Davis procedures and manuals above?

Then you can add the Chancellor’s own admission – verbatim – that ““Technically speaking, the police followed protocol…” Considering she knows what her request was, and the events as outlined above, I can’t see where anyone can say, with certainty, that no threat existed from all of those present, or their strategic position entrapping the police.

The campus police should not be taking the heat for this. Nor should the uncooperative protesters be given a free pass.

The campus police should not be taking the heat for this. Nor should the uncooperative students be given a free pass.

Amen to THAT!

MATA there is no one like you to be able to find the truth hidden underneath layers
after layers of hidden actions which don’t surface in a situation like this one.
YOU’RE clients must feel spoiled and lucky to have a lawyer such as you,
bye

Someone showed me this yesterday. here is someone who trained thousands and actually developed pepper spray
http://www.democracynow.org/2011/11/29/pepper_spray_creator_decries_use_of.
of course it is from Democracy Now, so therefore it is a priori wrong.

I am glad you posted that description. Again it contradicts none of the facts as I have presented them. You write

“there was no way for police to identify who is and is not about to become violent in either of the circles. Remember the “direct, indirect, veiled or conditional” description from the US Davis procedures and manuals above?
Then you can add the Chancellor’s own admission – verbatim – that ““Technically speaking, the police followed protocol…” Considering she knows what her request was, and the events as outlined above, I can’t see where anyone can say, with certainty, that no threat existed from all of those present, or their strategic position entrapping the police.”

SO it seems to me that you are saying that regardless of the reality, if police believe there is a threat of violence, they are justified in using violence, even though there has been no violence and there are no actual threats. So if it is impossible to rule out the possibility of violence it is legitimate to react as if there is violence.

Tony Duncan
that guy was watching a video, he can give his opinion as a WATCHER OF VIDEO, CONFORTABLY IN HIS CHAIR AT HOME OR OFFICE,
NOT VALID for these time of public REVOLT incited by GOVERNMENT
UNLESS YOU WHERE WITH THE POLICE OFFICERS, and they wont lie about it, because they TOO have children who could have been there, but where not probably due to a good parental supervision.
bye

Arrow
hi,
I WISH YOU A HAPPY NEW YEAR

“The first truth is that the liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascism – ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. “

Here is the actual report. Pretty much fits with my previous comments last year. (and no I did NOT pay them to tailor their report to my comments)