Woman Goes Public With Allegations Against Herman Cain

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Quick post about the Herman Cain allegations from a Sharon Bialek. Here is her accusation:

At that time I had on a black pleated skirt, a suit jacket and a blouse. He had on a suit with his shirt open. But instead of going into the offices, he suddenly reached over and he put his hand on my leg under my skirt and reached for my genitals. He also grabbed my head and brought it towards his crotch. I was very, very surprised and very shocked. I said, “What are you doing? You know I have a boyfriend. This isn’t what I came here for.”

Mr. Cain said, ‘You want a job, right?’ I asked him to stop, and he did. I asked him to take me back to my hotel, which he did right away.

Cain immediately issued a statement regarding the charges:

Just as the country finally begins to refocus on our crippling $15 trillion national debt and the unacceptably high unemployment rate, now activist celebrity lawyer Gloria Allred is bringing forth more false accusations against the character of Republican front-runner Herman Cain.

All allegations of harassment against Mr. Cain are completely false. Mr. Cain has never harassed anyone. Fortunately the American people will not allow Mr. Cain’s bold “9-9-9 Plan”, clear foreign policy vision and plans for energy independence to be overshadowed by these bogus attacks.

Which is a complete denial. But that won’t stop the media from demanding HE prove he didn’t do it rather then demanding SHE prove that he did.

Couple questions. Why did she not bring this up many years ago if she felt it was sexual assault? Why now?

If the allegations are true lets go through them bit by bit.

Ms. Bialek contacts Herman Cain for a meeting. She meets him in a hotel room that he paid for. She goes to dinner with him. She goes for a drive with him. What was said during all that time? Was there any sexual signals going on? If so, was this just a sexual pass made by a man who was turned down, after which he drove her home?

I don’t know….but anyone represented by Gloria Allred already is starting deep in the hole to me. But she is the one with the burden of proof here.

Don’t expect that to happen tho, the double-standard continues.

Arkansas Governor Bill Clinton allegedly trolled for women, using state troopers as his procurers. As president, Clinton engaged in oral sex with Monica Lewinsky in the Oval Office. He lied about it under oath and was impeached, though later acquitted by the U.S. Senate. Other sexual accusations tainted Clinton, including one that he raped one Juanita Broaddrick. That “everybody lies about sex” and “it was just sex” and didn’t affect his public responsibilities, were just two of the exculpatory statements from Clinton’s Democratic defenders. James Carville slimed Paula Jones, one of Clinton’s accusers, by saying you never know what you’ll find “when you drag a hundred-dollar bill through a trailer park.”

Many other Democrats in modern times have been caught with their pants down — JFK, John Edwards. Some paid a political price. Most did not because their policies were favored by the liberal media, which gave them cover.

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@Gary Kukis:

It’s the next day….will she be on a media blitz?

Oh, yes…. she most definitely is.

And this:

Cain accuser has history of financial troubles, legal squabbles

Records show she twice has filed for personal bankruptcy, first in 1991 and then again in 2001. In the latter case, she claimed $5,700 in assets and more than $36,000 in liabilities. Among the creditors seeking payment was a management firm demanding back rent of $4,500, four credit card companies and a lawyer asking for his legal fees.

After the case was discharged, she accused a former boyfriend of harassing her for repayment of a loan, court records in the bankruptcy case show. Bialek borrowed $4,500 from William Concha, though Concha now believes she had no intention of paying him back, according to his brother, Mario.

Reached Monday night in Spain, William Concha declined comment.

At least two liens have been filed against Bialek, according to records from the Cook County recorder of deeds.

The IRS filed a tax lien against her in 2009 for nearly $5,200. In August, the Illinois Department of Revenue claimed Bialek owed the state more than $4,300, including penalties and interest, relating to income taxes from 2004, according to county records.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-met-herman-cain-accuser-1108-20111108,0,4035523.story

Love this Taranto line:

If the latest accusation against Herman Cain is true, he “is not guilty of sexual harassment. He is accused of having made a gross, dumb and reckless pass at a supporter during a low point in her life. . . . In other words, [Cain] took ‘no’ for an answer.”

That quote is from Gloria Steinem, the big-time feminist, though of course the man she was defending wasn’t Herman Cain. It was Bill Clinton, after Kathleen Willey accused him of groping her in the Oval Office.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204190704577024071806289062.html#U503124480060YM

She may be telling the truth, but I’m giving the benefit of the doubt to Herman.

Gee, if these are quotes from one of her friends, she needs a better class of friend!
“She has a very infectious personality. It’s easy to see how she won [Cain] over. But the reality of her situation is — she’s a complete gold digger. It’s all about the money.”

Adding that she was from a middle-income family but lives in a posh house while running from bill collectors, the source said: “Most of her jobs ended in termination. It’s always the employer’s fault, not hers.

This is a lady who lives off the system. She is hellbent on finding a way of never having to work and living the lifestyle she wants to live, a very affluent lifestyle.”

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2058983/Murky-past-Herman-Cain-accuser-Sharon-Bialek-starts-emerge.html#ixzz1d8A5EsMH

Yikes!

Gary K said.. “” She is not a public speaker, so “rehearsed” is not out of the ordinary.””

Gary, if someone, did something BAD to you, and you are mad enough to go after them in public.. you GUSH when you tell the story!! You don’t need to READ A SCRIPT from paper… it’s IN YOUR HEAD…. you WERE THERE were you not?? also….

the WAY she read it, her “Telling” of the events, sounded like a mom reading her kid his “Bedtime Story”.. and like one you have NOT read before, she is enunciating the sentences funny…. Speaking from ones MIND, and heart, does NOT come off like that…. she’s a BAD ACTOR……. Sorry!!

I’ve heard LOTS of “Witnesses tell their stories”… THIS one…. sounds like a FAKE…. again… SORRY!!

Gary K….. you quoted this …..

“It is curious to note that the NRA offered them severance packages after the investigations and a nondisclosure agreement clause that seals their disciplinary history within the company. Very curious…”

CAINS action were not being “protected” here, by this sentence.. the WOMEN’S ACTIONS while employed there were!!!!! READ the words…. so what had THEY been doing, so that THEY were DISCIPLINED…. their words…that THEIR RECORDS were sealed/protected???? Hmmm…….

dr. john…. sounds an awful lot like she NEEDS CASH AGAIN…. now, how much, would the ENQUIRER pay her, for this story?? I hear that CHA CHING ($$$$$$) sound going off behind here……..

anyone want to lay a bet THAT is what she’s after.. NOT CAIN himself???? If she WAS after JUSTICE.. she’s almost 15 years TOO LATE…….. Can YOU ALL smell…. the BS???

Also, I’ve HEARD that the first two… were “gold digger” types as well.. looking for CITES on that now as well…..

By NBC’s Domenico Montanaro and Matt Loffman

The National Restaurant Association for the first time publicly acknowledged today that it settled with a former employee who accused Herman Cain, then head of the association, of sexual harassment.

It also released the woman from the confidentiality clause of the agreement, if she so chooses to speak. But her lawyer, who spoke in a televised news conference today, said she no longer wishes to do so.

“Based upon the information currently available, we can confirm that more than a decade ago, in July 1999, Mr. Bennett’s client filed a formal internal complaint, in accordance with the Association’s existing policies prohibiting discrimination and harassment,” the association’s statement reads, in part.

The statement goes on to note, “Cain disputed the allegations” and the restaurant association and the worker settled “without any admission of liability.”

The lawyer, Joel P. Bennett, had requested his client be released from the confidentiality agreement because, he believed Cain had violated it with comments made regarding his client’s work performance. His client had indicated earlier in the week that she did want to speak, but has since said she does not, Bennett said.

So, she filed, she got CASH$$$$$$$$…
but NOW, she has the chance, to NAIL HIM IN PUBLIC.. and, she turns and runs away????

Doesn’t sound like the “Hell hath no fury like a woman wronged” does it……

sounds MORE like…. I got away with it THEN.. if I open my mouth NOW?????? uh huh…… the more this comes out, the more these ACCUSERS start to look bad!!!

Now we see the BACKGROUND of the latest accuser… a MONEY/Games/gold digger type….. the STENCH is getting Stronger, and it’s not coming from the “Cain Corner”……. IMHO.. yours may vary!

If only the news media would spend half as much time trying to discover what OBAMA has spent $1-million+ hiding in the courts as sifting through CAIN’S [supposed] indiscretions America would be one hell of a lot better off!

@Gary Kukis: Isn’t the time 1997 when this was supposed to have occurred?

That’s the story, Gary. However that is impossible since … according to the timeline the accuser lays out, Cain had left the Association at least a month before. He did not leave until sometime in 1999. It would be even worse if Cain was still the Association President, and she decided to do her “job interview” outside the offices.

This brings us back to when this supposedly happened. Since the accuser’s out of wedlock baby was born in 1999, do we assume she was in advanced pregnancy while being groped? Or do we assume she traipsed off to meet Cain in a hotel bar for a “job interview” over dinner, leaving a newborn – and no husband – at home?

ah, the aroma of cheap perfume permeates the air…

INRE the natural instinct to respond to flirtatious temptations, it again needs to be repeated that the accuser asked him to stop, and he did… per her own words. This doesn’t make it sexual harassment. At best… even if she could reconcile the dates and her hodge podge story… it would be mixed signals, human error and the gentlemanly reversal of behavior at request.

Gary: It’s the next day….will she be on a media blitz?

Of course she will. As I explained above, that is how Gloria Allred runs “trials”… in the press. In the courtroom, she ain’t so good… Allred isn’t a lawyer. She specializes in a form of legal extortion.

INRE my suggestion at a lawsuit, you said:

How can a presidential candidate find the time to sue someone and run for president at the same time?

I disagree completely. Cain isn’t writing and filing the briefs. His attorneys are. Cain need not necessarily appear unless it went to trial. I doubt it would get that far.

The point is Allred and her gold digger want to try Cain in the media. The reasons are likely for money (for the accuser) and for Allred’s usual cred, taking down GOP candidates in her own sleazy courtroom arena of the media.

Should Cain be foolish enough to give up all his rights of due process? Should he, as the accused, be forced to prove his innocence? Or should the accuser be forced to play her game on the real field… the court of law.

If Cain filed a lawsuit, she would be forced into the court system, and would then be prohibited from utilizing Allred’s media court circus. She would also be forced into providing evidence to back up her slander.

I suspect that Allred feels the same as you… that Cain will not fight back. I say he’s foolish not to in this case. Wouldn’t take a moment away from his campaigning. And it certainly can’t interfere with the issues since this is already interfering… and on Allred’s turf. This belongs in a court of law. Not at press conferences. As I said, Allred is an abomination for all the US justice systems stands for. She doesn’t need courts… just tabloid media.

Still no charges filed by the accuser, I see. No surprise. In fact, that’s not even her demand… she just wants Cain to “come clean”. right….

This woman’s got nothing but a couple of way late affidavits for Glorious Gloria to wave around. I say that Cain forces those affidavits out of Allred’s hands, and into the hands of a court system, where this belongs. He’s a fool if he decides to play the extortion game with Allred in the media.

The woman who accused Cain, got a settlement which came as @Hankster58: pointed out“without any admission of liability,” has been outed as working for Obama as a communications expert!

Karen Kraushaar, a communications director at Obama’s Treasury Department’s Office of Inspector General, was a National Resturant Association spokesperson when, she alleges, …..
Kraushaar has not made a statement about the incident, and [her lawyer] Bennett has made it clear that both Kraushaar and her husband see no reason to revisit the claim now despite her former employer’s [the NRA, National Restaurant Association] decision to waive her original confidentiality agreement.

@ Rude and Crude… You have just earned the “Hankster Pulitzer” (for lack of a better name) for making the most ASTUTE OBSERVATION of all……..
But, this simply PROVES the Fact… the Liberal #1 tactic STILL is… DIVERT attention away from the REAL problem.. onto other Stuff of Gossipy but inconsequential nature…. A Sideways use of ALINSKY ‘s Ideals….

@Hard Right, I don’t see any sourcing for that information. Tried following Pat’s links, but there’s nothing there.

John Nolte at Big Government confirms she is a registered Republican. And it’s also confirmed she confronted Cain at the Oct 2011 Tea Convention… altho “confront” may be a strong word if you stop and get your photo taken with a supposed sexual predator… pffft.

So why did Ms. “BuyALick” hightail it to a sexual predator’s side? Did she wish to give him the opportunity for a payoff prior to hitting the media courtroom? Because I sure don’t see a woman who feels she was so “wronged” racing to Cain’s side for a grinning photo op.

Exactly!! As we put the SPOTLIGHT on this Woman’s statements… the BS starts to make itself evident….

@MataHarley: Mata, there is a quote from an email:

“I remember her as a time-waster, and rabble-rouser. If she didn’t get her way she cried about sexual harassment”. A former co-worker, a female no less, emailed me. “She was trouble with a capital “T”.

Nan G… I followed the links to Mac’s site. However this is nothing more than anonymous sources and 2nd hand translations of emails that we don’t see. How do we know it was actually an employee, working there at the same time? I won’t accept this kind of “evidence” from Mac any more than I will accept this BS from the BuyALick camp.

I figure if you force this into a court of law, that email would come in handy as a character witness…. if true. But it sure doesn’t mean anything just because somebody emailed Mac.

And all that is after she made the big time. She got there for her antics in California. I can’t relate the details, but my mother would come home from work (LA City Schools) so angry she was almost sick. And it was not easy to upset her.

Her and Herman Cain at the TEA Party in Chicago last month.
Photo.
Article about the photo.
http://www.suntimes.com/8592168-417/sneed-witness-says-cain-accuser-hugged-him-during-tea-party-meeting-a-month-ago.html
Note her arm around Herman Cain!

@MataHarley:

Good points Mata. I thought there was a source in the PD story. Disappointing.

Granted, Hard Right, it’s disappointing to see those fall into the same trap of behavior that is used by the accuser, herself. I guess desperation comes into play here.

If the woman has a legitimate beef, let her prove it in a court of law. Oh gosh darn… she waited too long. Guess it didn’t mean much then. Or during Cain’s prior political campaigns. Not a big enough fish to attempt to fry in the media, I guess, until now.

BTW, anyone wonder if this woman is a Romney fan? Wouldn’t surprise me. Romney evidently feels like Allred… that accusations are fine to try in the media, and who needs the courts, as he calls this a “very serious allegation”. Pandering as usual…

@Gary Kukis: She is not a public speaker, so “rehearsed” is not out of the ordinary.

Let me tell you one thing. I was sexually harassed in 1997/1998. I can still today stand up and tell you what happened, when it happened and what occurred. I do not need to read from a file nor do I need prompting from anyone else. Sexual harassment is real and if it happens, really happens and is horrific, that person will not ever forget.

@disenchanted:
Dear Disenchanted, I so empathize with you.
I noticed that the accuser’s @drjohn: eyewitness from her meeting with Herman Cain was on TV being interviewed a few minutes ago.
Amy Jacobson needed no notes or prompting of any kind.

Diversionary ploy.

Meanwhile on the 9-9-9 front…..
Isn’t that the point?
Getting the public to forget that Obama wants to TAX whatever you might still have while Cain intends to level the playing field and get business back to work.

@Greg: Windex,Windex, Windex! BOHICA.

Personally I DON’T believe this woman’s story Too SCRIPTED. I would like to know the accusations of the other 3 ( or more?) women. Too much smoke that Cain Must confront.

@Nan G: In 1999, Bialek’s son Nicholas was born and a paternity lawsuit was filed by the father, a media executive.

Well, there’s another bit of misinformation… at least on the part of your source, Nan G. According to Ms. BuyALick on her talking heads circuit today, she says her “13 year old son told her” to go public.

??

Forget taking advice from, and discussing this with your kid… conveniently leaving out she didn’t bother to file charges when it supposedly happened, and won’t be filing them now (instead, trying him in the media). What a lesson to teach a kid. Say anything in the media, and let ‘er rip… But now we have the timeline quandary again.

13 years old means he was born some time in 1998. Is this the baby of the “then boyfriend” who suggested she contact Cain to get her job back? He said they hadn’t been dating for “15 some years”… which predates the supposed incident. Was he the father who filed the paternity lawsuit?

And since she said Cain wasn’t at the association for a month… which means it could have only happened sometime in 1999… if it did happen in 1997, was she pregnant with the kid? Odd time to be job interviewing in hotel bars and restaurants instead of Cain’s NRA offices, knowing you’ve got to request some maternity leave soon after.

And again, the time problems… she was employed at the association until summer of 1997. How soon after being fired did she decide to approach the CEO (which she says was no longer with the group) to get her job back? Did she honestly think she’d get a referral, or reemployed, so soon after being fired?

There’s nothing clear in this woman’s account except that it’s a potpourri of badly constructed stories.

@disenchanted:

Would you hug them years later like nothing ever happened?

@MataHarley:

Mata,
A whole lot of web sites are parroting that 1999 birth for the son.
It might be good if a REAL reporter did some due diligence and looked into it.
I thought the local ABC reporter had done a pretty good job, but he may have conflated two dates:
1. the date the boy was born with
2. the date the man sued her claiming he was NOT the boy’s father.
I bet one of those two things happened in 1999.
Whether or not BOTH of them took place in 1999 is a question.

Well, Nan G… I’m going to take a wild guess that a mother knows how old her son is. And 13 makes in born anywhere between Jan 1st thru Nov 8th in 1998, assuming he is 13 as of this day. If today were his birthday, she’d be impregnated circa Feb 1998. If he’s been 13 for a while, that conception could have happened anytime in late 1997… which would seem to indicate it was the “then boyfriend”. No getting around that math.

So if anything happened in 1999, it would have to be the paternity suit. The more interesting question is if it was the “then boyfriend” she spoke of that brought the lawsuit. Doesn’t appear so because in a NYT’s update today, Ms. BuyALick’s affidavits, or confirmations of her relaying her story, did include one from him.. pieced together via two news stories.

From the original NYTs article I linked above yesterday, in my original comment:

Ms. Allred read from what she said was an affidavit written by Ms. Bialek’s boyfriend at the time.

“When Ms. Bialek returned from the trip from Washington, she told me that her room had been upgraded by Mr. Cain,” the boyfriend said, according to Ms. Allred. “She also told me that he had engaged in sexually inappropriate conduct toward her while they were sitting in a car. She didn’t volunteer the details and I did not ask. Ms Bialek and I stopped dating some 15 years ago.”

From today’s updated link above:

Ms. Allred said she corroborated Ms. Bialek’s account with two male friends with whom Ms. Bialek shared parts of it at the time, an ex-boyfriend who is a doctor and a longtime mentor who is a businessman. She said she did not have permission to share their names but read passages from sworn affidavits.

Two choices for the “then boyfriend”… an ex boyfriend/doctor, or a longtime businessman mentor.

Well, we know the paternity suit was brought by a media executive boyfriend. So obviously that’s not the “ex boyfriend who is a doctor”. So is that “long time mentor” the media executive that she fingered as the father?

And if Ms. BuyALick is telling the truth about the dates (and not about Cain’s still continued status as President of the Association, thereby having offices available for normal job interviews instead of hotel bars and restaurants…), the ex-boyfriend/doctor of affidavit fame is not the guy who brought the paternity suit for a baby that was conceived at, or shortly after this supposed account.

Seems Ms. BuyALick was one busy girl in the boudoirs…

But WAIT! More spins and 180s… In the original press conference, Ms BuyALick said:

In her statement to the press, Ms. Bialek said that she had been fired by the association after working for the group’s educational foundation in its Chicago office. She said she sought Mr. Cain’s help to find other employment during a trip to Washington about a month after he left the group.

In today’s NYTs version is something somewhat different.

Though Mr. Cain did not have control of the education foundation, Ms. Bialek said she had hoped that he could help her find a job at the association, one of its state affiliates or even to help her get her old job back. She said she had come to know Mr. Cain at work events.

Now there’s only one other thing that can explain the “one month after leaving the group” comment.. that it’s a typo and should have said one month after *she* left the group.

But Ms. BuyALick didn’t “leave the group”… she was fired… booted out the door. And only a fool would meet the CEO of an organization that fired here 30 days before in a hotel bar and restaurant to ask for her job back, or get a referral.

Well, if not a fool, perhaps an ambitious career type willing to sleep her way back into employment.

Needless to say, within months she would be pregnant, but not with the “then boyfriend/doctor’s” baby. And the “media executive” or “long time mentor” didn’t want much to do with her and the baby either..

Which brings us to her current relationship.. and this guy has got to be a dunce. Apparently, she doesn’t seem to want to keep her current “finance” in the loop. According to the Chicago Times, she never told him about any of this… including securing ambulance chaser, Allred, getting affidavits of prior boyfriends/mentors/fingered fathers or heeding the “advice” of her 13 year old… until she was headed to NY for the first press conference.

Bialek said she shared her allegations with her then-boyfriend and another male friend shortly after her meeting with Cain. However, the man she is now engaged to said she did not tell him about her history with the former Godfather’s Pizza CEO until Friday night, when she told him she was going to New York for the news conference.

Her fiance, Mark Harwood, said he was in “a bit of shock” but admired her decision to come forward.

“It’s not an anti-political thing. It’s not a money thing,” said Harwood, who shares a large, five-bedroom home with Bialek in north suburban Mundelein. “She’s just trying to do the right thing, and that takes guts.”

Well of course she has no money problems… he supports her financially…

Bialek’s fiance, however, denied she had any current money problems. Harwood, a corporate executive in the medical equipment industry, said he supports her financially so she can stay at home with her 13-year-old son from a previous relationship.

I don’t know about him, but if my fiance sprang a bombshell like this on the way to a press conference with a sleazeball tabloid ambulance chaser like Allred, I’d be wondering what other surprises she has up her sleeve post marital vows… Which may be why she’d definitely be in the money mode. Her financial security leaves with him. And apparently, hanging on to boyfriends, and being monogamous isn’t her strong suit.

A Woman #5 has just come forward.

Meanwhile, the identity of Woman #1 has been revealed: Karen Kraushaar, a current federal employee, who turns out to be another registered Republican. She was one of the two who received a settlement payment from the National Restaurant Association. She has confirmed her identity, but has not made a detailed public statement.

From the picture, Ms. Kraushaar looks like a nice lady. I’m not sure about the horse.

INRE the natural instinct to respond to flirtatious temptations, it again needs to be repeated that the accuser asked him to stop, and he did… per her own words. This doesn’t make it sexual harassment. At best… even if she could reconcile the dates and her hodge podge story… it would be mixed signals, human error and the gentlemanly reversal of behavior at request.

There’s nothing “gentlemanly” about this. Leaving aside what actually happened, let me just say that I read this “at best” scenario as describing the actions of a misogynistic bully. A “gentleman” does not put his hand on a lady’s leg and grope for her genitals based on “mixed signals”. A lady accepting dinner and inviting a man to her hotel room for drinks is NOT giving him sufficient grounds to grab her head and push it toward his crotch. For crying out loud, pulling her head toward his crotch? That’s like “first base” of date-rape-ball. Are there really readers/writers of FA that think it’s okay to treat women in this way, ever? If so, pray tell, what would be considered “un-gentlemanly”?

If Cain “only” did these things “at best”, he damn well needs to be held accountable. Let’s be clear – it’s completely possible that these allegations are utterly false. But even if they bear a glimmer of truth, and something close to what the accuser described actually happened, then Herman Cain is an asshole.

Mata, I do not want my daughter to grow up in a world where she’s told, “nice boys are the ones who stop groping you when you ask”, or “as long as they stopped when you asked, it wasnt’ sexual assault”. No, nice boys are the ones who find out, by asking for a direct affirmation or awaiting unmistakable signs of enthusiastic consent, whether it is okay to begin groping in the first place (and stop when you ask, of course).

@Greg:

Yes, woman #5 has come forward.

And what did she have to say? She said that Cain displayed no inappropriate behavior.

So, what’s your point in bringing her up?

One of Herman Cain’s lawyers is dressing down publicity-hunting lawyers like Allred.
He added nuisance value is NOT a settlement if someone had actually been sexually harassed.
The court of public opinion is the only place where Cain is being tried.
Only now, after 14 years does one come forward.
Witnesses cannot be located.
Memories fade.
Heresay is all it is about.
Rumors, innuendo.
No safeguards as our system of justice provides are in this arena.

Cain adds:
This most recent accusation:
He never acted inappropriately with anyone.
He didn’t recognize her OR her name.
The charges simply did not happen.

He will not allow these accusations to cause him to drop out or back off.
The electoral process works when decency and honesty are in it.
It does not work when it is filled with deceit.

Her statements exceed common sense.
Her accusations did not happen.

The media is stalking his family.
He requests that stop.

His reputation means a lot to him and he has built it over 40 years.
He will defend it against false accusations against his character and integrity.

Q&A followed.

Kevin, I’m only addressing YOUR thinking here…. Not Cains innocence/guilt/whatever….
You want to “drink innocently” with a guy?? STAY in the Restaurant or Bar…… a mans/woman’s HOTEL ROOM, is in effect.. THEIR BEDROOM….. you give, or ACCEPT an invite to a BEDROOM, you know DAMN WELL the “signal” you send….. if she got into his car.. KNOWING THIS….. she has NO CLAIM….. this is all Bogus, where it DID happen, OR NOT!!
WHY, is this even news???

As the water-steam factors peeter out from Bi-Bi-Bi-alick more bimbos hit the scene devaluing the exposure value of all the alleged women who claim their sheer presence causes men to crave them sexually thus imposing their fantastics on Candidate Cain. NONE – NONE – NONE of these frogs have explicitly stated that that the door of privacy closed behind them at a luxury hotel, Motel-6, or private residence where she engaged in full-frontal sexual activity with Herman Cain. Flirting is part of business and people get job offers on how well they can pass the sexuality tests. Interviews require confidence which means virgins – or Puritans – just don’t get hired. I dare anyone to interview a twenty plus wearing a high skirt keeping her knees twelve inches apart not to lose focus on her resume’ yet still offer her the work because she has the technical skills. Management people interview alot and every applicant is on the make for the job offer. Desparate people will do anything, some candidates claim they are alums from Grand Ole Ivie but a double-double check proves otherwise but if they got the horses to solve network computer crash problems – punt.

@Hankster58:

I think we’re 0 for 1. To be sure – Hank, a woman invites you back to her room for drinks. Is it okay for you to grab her head and pull it toward your crotch?

Just to disparage an oldie about “open-minded” men and women that that they are all DitzoidCrats; when, in fact, many with challenging and various lifestyle interests vote Conservative.

Kevin –

Who alleged head to crouch?….. Strawman?…..

I believe the allegation was hand on thigh, hand slid up thigh.

Josh, read her statement (quoted at the top of this article).

My beef is with anyone who claims that the alleged actions, if true, are acceptable behavior (“gentlemanly”, even, if the person stops when asked…) Is nobody else struck by the absurdity of the sentiment, “what a gentleman, he didn’t even rape her”?

@Hankster58:

I think we’re 0 for 1. To be sure – Hank, a woman invites you back to her room for drinks. Is it okay for you to grab her head and pull it toward your crotch?

Kevin, lets not be DENSE… you leave a BAR, where you have been drinking…. for an INVITE to a BEDROOM for MORE DRINKS…. I see a signal for more than DRINKS, as we ALREADY have those RIGHT HERE.. at THE BAR we’re at….. DUH!!
am I to assume YOU would expect her, to in asking you , or, ACCEPTING going with you, back to YOUR /HER BEDROOM, to be doing it… so she could sell you some Girl Scout cookies, or if in YOUR room.. Buy Boy Scout Candybars??

GROW UP…….. We’re NOT talking KIDS here……

Now, add in the factor, she went to SEE HIM just a month or so ago and a fundraiser… and hugged and talked to him??? does THIS sound like a “victimized and sexually abused/offended” woman???

and lastly…. not saying, IF it happened, it was “Gentlemanly Behavior”… but, what sort of “Behavior” did SHE exhibit, dating a MARRIED guy, in an out of town bar, and agreeing going up to his room????

@Kevin: My beef is with anyone who claims that the alleged actions, if true, are acceptable behavior (“gentlemanly”, even, if the person stops when asked…) Is nobody else struck by the absurdity of the sentiment, “what a gentleman, he didn’t even rape her”?

And my beef is with anyone who assumes that an advance… even if true, and I don’t believe it is for a second… that seems invited is now classified as an attempt to “rape”.

Assuming even for a nanosecond there was a modicum of truth in her statement, what are the facts?

1: She wanted a job interview.. not in the offices of the company where he was working, but in a hotel bar first for drinks, then for dinner. And allowed him to upgrade her room. What does this say for a job seeker?

2: Was she there for a job? Not by most normal applicants methods. We go to offices for job interviews. Did she request an office interview, and rejected? Not by her telling.

3: Did she give him the impression for anything more? Certainly all the pieces of the puzzle are in place to indicate this was anything *BUT* a job interview for a business professional. Does resemble another profession I can think of. In which case her story of his advances were just a normal progression of an evening out with a lady of the night. You might want to instruct your daughters that if they act like a lady of the night, they will be treated as such.

4: Rapists don’t stop when requested.

5: Were this such egregious behavior, as you and Ms. BuyALick suggest, why did she not file a lawsuit for assault immediately after? Would it have been hard to explain her choices for job interview locations, perhaps? And why wait until now, where she can only try him in the media, and not be required to provide a single piece of evidence as proof… other than “she told me” affidavits by two people who have long since dumped her.

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and lastly…. not saying, IF it happened, it was “Gentlemanly Behavior”… but, what sort of “Behavior” did SHE exhibit, dating a MARRIED guy, in an out of town bar, and agreeing going up to his room????

As an unmarried woman, would she also have been committing adultry, or just the married guy?

Technically?? BOTH…. but that’s not the point… the point is, IF things are the way she claims..SHE KNEW where it was going…

thing is…you don’t pour gas on the floor, strike a match, light it, THEN blame the gas station guy for the FIRE!!

IF IF IF .. i SAY again.. IF….this went as she said…. SHE bears as much “blame” as he did for it… thus, WHY BRING IT UP???

This is as ASININE an argument, as Politicians, who when caught TAKING a BRIBE.. scream “entrapment”!!! Entrapment, i feel, was INVENTED to get Politicians off the hook!!! You KNOW what you are doing is wrong and has Consequences, don’t beef when it goes south!! Deal with your error and stupidity, then move on….

@Hard Right: I wouldn’t let them come near me with a ten foot pole.

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IF IF IF .. i SAY again.. IF….this went as she said…. SHE bears as much “blame” as he did for it… thus, WHY BRING IT UP???

Beats me. Why don’t you ask Monica?

Kevin –

Sorry, I discounted and gave her the benifite of the dout, as it almost impossible to do what is described sitting behind the wheel of a car. I can see reaching over and sliding a hand up the thigh. If there was a missunder sanding. Us guys arn’t psychic so its possable a misunderstings happen, and you falt us for pointing this out, that he didn’t rape her.

You want me to believe/assume, because if this happend it was in the car before they got out…. and went in… outside a business that he made his big move….

The story doesn’t hold up.

All this speculation is based mostly on her word of the events, in which she has made statements that don’t seem to make sense. Is there evidence that Cain paid for an “upgrade” to her hotel room? We don’t know. These past events where she supposedly shared tables at various event with Cain are from her side. Is there any evidence to prove they shared a table? Why would she eagerly insist on going “backstage” at a radio station event and to meet with a man who supposedly sexually harassed her years before? Why is she coming forward with these allegations if she hasn’t pressed charges and has no intent to? And Cain says he doesn’t recall any of their meetings.

None of this passes the smell test, and these accusations seem to be an orchestrated political smear campaign against Cain. The various “coincidental” connections to Obama’s people would tend to point to a possible Chicago machine character-assassination scheme. (Especially when you consider that two of the women are from Chicago.)

Next eyeball is to looksee at her months spent in the Broward-Dade area. Mid-thirties blond bombshell lands on the hot Florida beaches looking for steady work.

Mata,

“3: Did she give him the impression for anything more? Certainly all the pieces of the puzzle are in place to indicate this was anything *BUT* a job interview for a business professional. ”

blah, blah, blah, blech…
So freaking WHAT? If the guy is led to believe that the girl is in it for the sex, why would he need to physically grab her head and pull it into his lap? (answer: because he is a contemptible disrespectful asshole, not someone acting “gentlemanly”). Besides, if the signs were really THAT clear that the woman was doing an interview as a cover for what was really “sex for a job”, then what kind of person is Cain for going through with it (and, per the allegations, working to progress it to that end??)?

4: Rapists don’t stop when requested.

Agreed. Here’s all I’m saying:
4.1: Assholes start clutching/grabbing/groping their dates without ascertaining whether their date want to be groped (after all, it’s usually sufficient to look at how low-cut the dress is to get the answer to that question, am I right?)
4.2 Gentlemen ascertain, looking for clear signs of enthusiastic consent or outright explicit acknowledgement of such, what level of sexual foreplay/interaction their romantic counterparts want things to progress to (and at what pace).

Further, I dont’ think you parsed my statement properly. I agree, after all, that rapists are the ones who don’t stop. I agree, per the account, Cain stopped. I agree that Cain is not a rapist. I did not remotely imply Cain was a rapist (again, please read my words if you think I did). All I said was, you seem to be implying that “not being a rapist” is where you set the bar you for appropriate / gentlemanly behavior. I’m sorry, but it’s completely possible to act like a misogynistic bully without raping.

This just in …an anonymous source that says that Barry is pimping out his girls to Middle Easterners. A different anonymous source says that Moochelle is ‘entertaining’ men in the White House. A YET different ANOTHER anonymous souce claimes that they saw Obama and Barney Frank in a private room, together. More to follow as other anonymous sources anonymously appear.

I think this is just as stupid as what the DamOkrats are trying to do to Cain. Or maybe not.

@Richard Wheeler: Personally I DON’T believe this woman’s story Too SCRIPTED. I would like to know the accusations of the other 3 ( or more?) women.

Well, rich, from what I heard today, none of them really want to talk about it, tho they are given the chance. One of them said they’d only do it in a “group” presser. Why a “group”? Are not each of their accusations unique?

Or could it be that all seem petty and insignificant next to Ms. BuyALick’s concocted contraption, and it would take all three of them together to even come up to anything that *might* even be considered harassment? From what I’ve read so far, all three filed charges for what they found offensive *while in the workplace”.

And as we all know, Ms. BuyALick has a different idea of what may be considered a “workplace” with her choice of job interview locations.

@Kevin: Is it okay for you to grab her head and pull it toward your crotch?

Well now, all of that would depend upon the hours of behavior and chit chat that led up to that moment, wouldn’t it Kevin? However Ms. BuyALick is careful to leave any of those details out of her kangaroo media trial. So what we are left to examine is two simple facts:

1: She opted not to press charges or instigate a lawsuit for what she says Cain did, and instead visits him at Tea Party speeches, gets smiley photo ops, and then opts for a media trial instead of using our traditional justice system. Personally, sounds like a perfect companion for the professional extortionist, Gloria Allread.

2: Any CEO of any organization receiving a request for a “job interview” at hotel bars and restaurants, instead of during business hours at the office – especially from a woman who (according to her story) was fired not long before – is bound to get a wrong impression. Sure makes my eyebrows go up.

All of this is past insane now. An hour after Cain goes off TV we are told by Bret that breaking news just announced that all of the women will hold a press conference together with all their lawyers. That quick huh? All those lawyers agreed to that in one hours time? Right! That had to be their plan if Cain decided to fight back. They are planing all of this mudslinging an a concerted effort to knock Cain out. One thing is for sure Cain has got some heavy hitters angry and fearful that he might just break up the good old boy and girl system in politics and want him gone. I am sick to death of hearing from all the experts tell us how we need to make flipflop Rommey the main man, even the liberals. If not him than Perry. No matter that Cain is still holding his own, and can re-group and even continue to move forward. Cain is still fighting, and we are still backing him and hoping that in the end he will prevail.