7 Nov

Woman Goes Public With Allegations Against Herman Cain

                                       

Quick post about the Herman Cain allegations from a Sharon Bialek. Here is her accusation:

At that time I had on a black pleated skirt, a suit jacket and a blouse. He had on a suit with his shirt open. But instead of going into the offices, he suddenly reached over and he put his hand on my leg under my skirt and reached for my genitals. He also grabbed my head and brought it towards his crotch. I was very, very surprised and very shocked. I said, “What are you doing? You know I have a boyfriend. This isn’t what I came here for.”

Mr. Cain said, ‘You want a job, right?’ I asked him to stop, and he did. I asked him to take me back to my hotel, which he did right away.

Cain immediately issued a statement regarding the charges:

Just as the country finally begins to refocus on our crippling $15 trillion national debt and the unacceptably high unemployment rate, now activist celebrity lawyer Gloria Allred is bringing forth more false accusations against the character of Republican front-runner Herman Cain.

All allegations of harassment against Mr. Cain are completely false. Mr. Cain has never harassed anyone. Fortunately the American people will not allow Mr. Cain’s bold “9-9-9 Plan”, clear foreign policy vision and plans for energy independence to be overshadowed by these bogus attacks.

Which is a complete denial. But that won’t stop the media from demanding HE prove he didn’t do it rather then demanding SHE prove that he did.

Couple questions. Why did she not bring this up many years ago if she felt it was sexual assault? Why now?

If the allegations are true lets go through them bit by bit.

Ms. Bialek contacts Herman Cain for a meeting. She meets him in a hotel room that he paid for. She goes to dinner with him. She goes for a drive with him. What was said during all that time? Was there any sexual signals going on? If so, was this just a sexual pass made by a man who was turned down, after which he drove her home?

I don’t know….but anyone represented by Gloria Allred already is starting deep in the hole to me. But she is the one with the burden of proof here.

Don’t expect that to happen tho, the double-standard continues.

Arkansas Governor Bill Clinton allegedly trolled for women, using state troopers as his procurers. As president, Clinton engaged in oral sex with Monica Lewinsky in the Oval Office. He lied about it under oath and was impeached, though later acquitted by the U.S. Senate. Other sexual accusations tainted Clinton, including one that he raped one Juanita Broaddrick. That “everybody lies about sex” and “it was just sex” and didn’t affect his public responsibilities, were just two of the exculpatory statements from Clinton’s Democratic defenders. James Carville slimed Paula Jones, one of Clinton’s accusers, by saying you never know what you’ll find “when you drag a hundred-dollar bill through a trailer park.”

Many other Democrats in modern times have been caught with their pants down — JFK, John Edwards. Some paid a political price. Most did not because their policies were favored by the liberal media, which gave them cover.

UPDATE

Why was Sharon Bialek Fired?

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142 Responses to Woman Goes Public With Allegations Against Herman Cain

  1. Kevin –

    Sorry, I discounted and gave her the benifite of the dout, as it almost impossible to do what is described sitting behind the wheel of a car. I can see reaching over and sliding a hand up the thigh. If there was a missunder sanding. Us guys arn’t psychic so its possable a misunderstings happen, and you falt us for pointing this out, that he didn’t rape her.

    You want me to believe/assume, because if this happend it was in the car before they got out…. and went in… outside a business that he made his big move….

    The story doesn’t hold up.

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  2. Ditto says: 102

    All this speculation is based mostly on her word of the events, in which she has made statements that don’t seem to make sense. Is there evidence that Cain paid for an “upgrade” to her hotel room? We don’t know. These past events where she supposedly shared tables at various event with Cain are from her side. Is there any evidence to prove they shared a table? Why would she eagerly insist on going “backstage” at a radio station event and to meet with a man who supposedly sexually harassed her years before? Why is she coming forward with these allegations if she hasn’t pressed charges and has no intent to? And Cain says he doesn’t recall any of their meetings.

    None of this passes the smell test, and these accusations seem to be an orchestrated political smear campaign against Cain. The various “coincidental” connections to Obama’s people would tend to point to a possible Chicago machine character-assassination scheme. (Especially when you consider that two of the women are from Chicago.)

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  3. THE SOOTHSAYER says: 103

    Next eyeball is to looksee at her months spent in the Broward-Dade area. Mid-thirties blond bombshell lands on the hot Florida beaches looking for steady work.

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  4. Kevin says: 104

    Mata,

    “3: Did she give him the impression for anything more? Certainly all the pieces of the puzzle are in place to indicate this was anything *BUT* a job interview for a business professional. ”

    blah, blah, blah, blech…
    So freaking WHAT? If the guy is led to believe that the girl is in it for the sex, why would he need to physically grab her head and pull it into his lap? (answer: because he is a contemptible disrespectful asshole, not someone acting “gentlemanly”). Besides, if the signs were really THAT clear that the woman was doing an interview as a cover for what was really “sex for a job”, then what kind of person is Cain for going through with it (and, per the allegations, working to progress it to that end??)?

    4: Rapists don’t stop when requested.

    Agreed. Here’s all I’m saying:
    4.1: Assholes start clutching/grabbing/groping their dates without ascertaining whether their date want to be groped (after all, it’s usually sufficient to look at how low-cut the dress is to get the answer to that question, am I right?)
    4.2 Gentlemen ascertain, looking for clear signs of enthusiastic consent or outright explicit acknowledgement of such, what level of sexual foreplay/interaction their romantic counterparts want things to progress to (and at what pace).

    Further, I dont’ think you parsed my statement properly. I agree, after all, that rapists are the ones who don’t stop. I agree, per the account, Cain stopped. I agree that Cain is not a rapist. I did not remotely imply Cain was a rapist (again, please read my words if you think I did). All I said was, you seem to be implying that “not being a rapist” is where you set the bar you for appropriate / gentlemanly behavior. I’m sorry, but it’s completely possible to act like a misogynistic bully without raping.

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  5. UpChuck.Liberals says: 105

    This just in …an anonymous source that says that Barry is pimping out his girls to Middle Easterners. A different anonymous source says that Moochelle is ‘entertaining’ men in the White House. A YET different ANOTHER anonymous souce claimes that they saw Obama and Barney Frank in a private room, together. More to follow as other anonymous sources anonymously appear.

    I think this is just as stupid as what the DamOkrats are trying to do to Cain. Or maybe not.

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  6. MataHarley says: 106

    @Richard Wheeler: Personally I DON’T believe this woman’s story Too SCRIPTED. I would like to know the accusations of the other 3 ( or more?) women.

    Well, rich, from what I heard today, none of them really want to talk about it, tho they are given the chance. One of them said they’d only do it in a “group” presser. Why a “group”? Are not each of their accusations unique?

    Or could it be that all seem petty and insignificant next to Ms. BuyALick’s concocted contraption, and it would take all three of them together to even come up to anything that *might* even be considered harassment? From what I’ve read so far, all three filed charges for what they found offensive *while in the workplace”.

    And as we all know, Ms. BuyALick has a different idea of what may be considered a “workplace” with her choice of job interview locations.

    @Kevin: Is it okay for you to grab her head and pull it toward your crotch?

    Well now, all of that would depend upon the hours of behavior and chit chat that led up to that moment, wouldn’t it Kevin? However Ms. BuyALick is careful to leave any of those details out of her kangaroo media trial. So what we are left to examine is two simple facts:

    1: She opted not to press charges or instigate a lawsuit for what she says Cain did, and instead visits him at Tea Party speeches, gets smiley photo ops, and then opts for a media trial instead of using our traditional justice system. Personally, sounds like a perfect companion for the professional extortionist, Gloria Allread.

    2: Any CEO of any organization receiving a request for a “job interview” at hotel bars and restaurants, instead of during business hours at the office – especially from a woman who (according to her story) was fired not long before – is bound to get a wrong impression. Sure makes my eyebrows go up.

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  7. All of this is past insane now. An hour after Cain goes off TV we are told by Bret that breaking news just announced that all of the women will hold a press conference together with all their lawyers. That quick huh? All those lawyers agreed to that in one hours time? Right! That had to be their plan if Cain decided to fight back. They are planing all of this mudslinging an a concerted effort to knock Cain out. One thing is for sure Cain has got some heavy hitters angry and fearful that he might just break up the good old boy and girl system in politics and want him gone. I am sick to death of hearing from all the experts tell us how we need to make flipflop Rommey the main man, even the liberals. If not him than Perry. No matter that Cain is still holding his own, and can re-group and even continue to move forward. Cain is still fighting, and we are still backing him and hoping that in the end he will prevail.

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  8. Greg says: 108

    Maybe it will be a Pay-Per-View cable event.

    Meanwhile, in Ohio tonight…

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  9. MataHarley says: 109

    blah, blah, blah, blech…
    So freaking WHAT? If the guy is led to believe that the girl is in it for the sex, why would he need to physically grab her head and pull it into his lap? (answer: because he is a contemptible disrespectful asshole, not someone acting “gentlemanly”).

    Projecting much, Kevin? You have no idea if Cain did any of this, the nature of that movement, the conversation that led to it, or any actions that led up to this imagined moment.

    But now you’ve elevated it to new heights in your gray matter.

    As I said, project much?

    Tell ya what, guy. I’ll meet you for drinks and dinner, and then come out and accuse you of unwanted sexual advances in the media… sans any court. That work for you? How big of a house you got? I want to know how much to ask for in a non-judicial settlement that is tried in the media. Don’t bother mounting a defense. I’ll make it sound horrendous enough of actions that any “daddy” will be freaked. Facts and proof don’t matter.

    Get the point?

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  10. Kevin says: 110

    @MataHarley:

    Mata, you’re losing focus here. There are two questions:
    1) Did Cain do the things he is accused of doing?
    2) Are the things he is accused of doing “gentlemanly”.

    I’ve only been arguing that the answer to #2 is “No”. Has nothing to do with #1. Clear?

    Given that, do you disagree with me? Is the way Cain was alleged to have acted the way I should hope my son grows up to act toward women he is dating?

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  11. What dating!!!!!!!

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  12. MataHarley says: 112

    I’m not “losing focus” at all, Kevin. I have no idea the last time you had sex, or the nature of such, Nor do I want to know. But frankly, consenting adults letting each other know exactly what they want at a moment n time is not what I find an appalling behavior. And you certainly can’t judge what is “acceptable” by using just your own, personal prism.

    The only question is, are they consenting adults? She said she didn’t “consent”. He stopped. That you find it unacceptable behavior… without knowing what led to that moment… I find somewhat amusing. If she had found such a gesture that heinous, she would have headed for an attorney. If she were an S&M type, this would be considered tame. Considering that the other complaints were events in the work place, by employees, I’m guessing they pale by Ms. BuyALick’s vivid comparison. Therefore, that she didn’t race anywhere for justice would probably give an indication that this is tame. I certainly know that if someone pushed my head down, and I wanted to protest that action, the last thing out of my mouth would have been “what are you doing? You know I have a boyfriend”….???

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  13. Arrow says: 113

    After reading this thread, following the links put up, reading other sources and watching the clip of the news conference out of AZ (would have like to hear the question and answer session with the press afterward) (if there was one) I’ve come to the conclusion Herman Cain is either everything his family and friends believe him to be or he has been the master puppeteer that would have to control every element of a well played charade that has lasted over four decades. Four decades where we find him working in the business sector problem solving in a very public way dealing with people on a daily basis with the exception of the time he was working for the department of the Navy while going to school to get his Master’s degree. As we all know business found a hard working man without an ounce of quit in him when they hired Herman Cain. Sound business practice would dictate that Herman Cain would have been shown the door if he was seen as a liability to them in any way. It’s just business. It’s not personal.

    I don’t believe Herman Cain walks on water. He is as human as this writer and the reader. I just find it odd that no one came forward attacking his reputation publicly until he decided he needed to go to work for the American people with a run for the White House.

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  14. MataHarley says: 114

    Arrow… only one comment that is multi-lingual for the reading-impaired .. heh

    History, prior conduct and general ethics goes a long way over unsubstantiated and unproved charges leveled in the court of the media.

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  15. Arrow says: 115

    Mata, thank you for giving me a reason to smile.

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  16. Kevin says: 116

    “But frankly, consenting adults letting each other know exactly what they want at a moment is not what I find an appalling behavior.”

    Oh really? Maybe I’m naive, and have gone about this whole “how to treat women respectfully” wrong. So, precluding any initial physical contact or affirmed sexual propositions*, if this is the gentlemanly way for a man to let a woman what he wants, what would be an “appalling way” for a man to let a woman know that he wanted her to blow him while he drove her back to the hotel?

    *Yes, there ARE many ways a woman could’ve enthusiastically expressed that she wanted to get physical in the car. Yes, if those things were done and omitted from the allegations, then the allegations are equivalent to utter fabrication. My whole point is that IF they were not fabrication, and if Cain tried to initiate sexual by directly groping genitals and pulling the woman toward his crotch, when she’d in no way indicated she wanted that kind of contact (nor had he inquired in any way), then he was not acting like a gentleman.

    Tell ya what, guy. I’ll meet you for drinks and dinner, and then come out and accuse you of unwanted sexual advances in the media… sans any court. That work for you? How big of a house you got? I want to know how much to ask for in a non-judicial settlement that is tried in the media. Don’t bother mounting a defense. I’ll make it sound horrendous enough of actions that any “daddy” will be freaked. Facts and proof don’t matter.

    Again, see, you just can’t seem to focus. I’m not saying Cain did these things. Imagine Curt was accused of child rape. And you said, “I don’t think there’s sufficient evidence to think he did it”. Fine. And you said, “I think the allegations are fabricated”. Fine. And you said, “Besides, sometimes sex with kids is okay” WHOA! That’s what I’m taking issue with, see? I’m saying that IF the allegations were true they describe actions that are NOT okay. And your quoted statement above (please read it again) is exactly like you’re countering my argument (that sex with kids is not okay) by saying, “how would you like it if I accused you of raping a child”. Can you see how you are missing my point?

    1: She opted not to press charges or instigate a lawsuit for what she says Cain did, and instead visits him at Tea Party speeches, gets smiley photo ops, and then opts for a media trial instead of using our traditional justice system. Personally, sounds like a perfect companion for the professional extortionist, Gloria Allread.

    Focus! :-) Like I said, even if the charges are all trumped up, I don’t think they describe acceptable, much less admirable, behavior. Guys can and should be held to higher standards – women should not have to put up with their personal spaces being invaded before / unless they’ve given clear indication that they’d welcome such intimacy. No, a woman agreeing to meet at a hotel bar does not give a man an all-clear night-long pass to grope a woman in any way he’d like. Not even if it’s just once.

    2: Any CEO of any organization receiving a request for a “job interview” at hotel bars and restaurants, instead of during business hours at the office – especially from a woman who (according to her story) was fired not long before – is bound to get a wrong impression. Sure makes my eyebrows go up.

    Okay, this is more on point, but I can’t understand why you’d make the argument… this defense paints Cain in almost a worse position than the allegations of which he’s accused. So, if things were so obvious, if the woman’s intentions were so eyebrow-raising, why would Cain go through with it? Stupidity? This is not a difficult equation: if somebody is offering what looks like sex in exchange for a job (or promotion, or just cash), you don’t take them up on it. If you do take them up on it, and explicitly do so looking to get laid (as the allegations would seem to imply), it does not say good things about what kind of person you are.

    I’m not “losing focus” at all, Kevin. I have no idea the last time you had sex, or the nature of such, Nor do I want to know.

    First, thanks for the most ironic sentence pairing I’ve read in awhile. Now, question: why did you take things here?

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  17. Hankster58 says: 117

    @Wilson.. Monica was a big girl too… she ALSO knew what she was doing… thus, JUST as guilty as Clinton… your POINT IS WHAT????

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  18. Hankster58 says: 118

    @ Kevin.. ok.. I’ll go along here… NO, such actions, by ANYONE, would NOT be considered “Gentlemanly”…

    would have thought that was already a GIVEN but…….

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  19. MataHarley says: 119

    Kevin, again you view things thru your own prism of what is “acceptable”. Not every one views sexual activity in the same way. And not every woman, in the heated moment of passion, wants “a gentleman” as a partner.

    The depicted scene doesn’t require a leap into the extreme, as you went with “it’s okay to have sex with kids”. Give it a break… We’re not talking about anything close to that in sexual activity between two consenting adults. Please note those two words… “consenting adults”.

    We have no idea if Cain did any of those actions. Nor do we know what matter of invitation or teasing by Ms. BuyALick had transpired to that point if, even he did. We only know the story she decided to concoct and there’s much that’s obviously left out if true. What if they had been locked in passionate embrace for quite some time in that parked car? But you can not view what she said, or what he did, in any given instant thru your own imaginative prism and decide that anything done is “unacceptable” simply because you wouldn’t do that to a lady. She may not have behaved, or spoken as a lady… had this even happened at all (which I don’t believe). Certainly, in the scene and set up she describes, she was not a professional seeking a “job interview”. At least not the day jobs we would consider normal.

    And I will again remind you… had this gesture been so foreign to her sexual pleasures, would she have responded with “what are you doing? you know I have a boyfriend”. Were it me, and it were the scene you imagine, he would have been decked, and I’d be hailing a cab while calling the police.

    Obviously, she did none of those things.

    Why did Cain go, if that were the case? Hey… he’s a guy. It’s not “worse” to me since I’m not demanding a perfect husband as a measure of a perfect POTUS. Clinton’s infidelity didn’t bother me either. What bothered me with Clinton was him conducting this affair while on the phone with dignitaries, and in the Oval Office (distracted, ya think?)… and that he lied under oath.

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  20. Kevin says: 120

    Hi Mata,

    I’ll grant “Not every one views sexual activity in the same way. And not every woman, in the heated moment of passion, wants “a gentleman” as a partner.” Hopefully not delving too much into the realm of TMI (after all, you said you didn’t want to know), but my own wife often prefers a more rough-n-tumble encounter than slow and safe. But context is everything. I know her well enough to know this, well enough to know when it’s going to go over well (and well enough to know when I’m off the mark and need to get the !@#$ out of dodge :-) ). Anyway, under an umbrella of trust and open communication, we’ve discussed it, we’ve established boundaries, and we’ve figured out what works and what doesn’t. And sure, there are many women out there who prefer the rougher/domineering type of sexual encounter even in causal hookups with men they barely know; frankly, it’s beholden on them to figure out how to communicate that to the men they’re with.

    Because even in a world where those preferences exist, a woman should, in any context, under any pretext, be the ultimate and sole dictator of what is permissible when it comes to her person. And any man who fails to assure that he’s got full enthusiastic consent for the physical sexual advances he is using before using them is in the wrong. A simple reading of the allegations made describe a man acting toward a woman with no regard or respect for her comfort or boundaries. Certainly, we can postulate many “coulda beens” for the situation that would’ve shed a different light (simply, she might’ve said, “I can’t even wait for the hotel, please touch me now” or, “Why don’t you show me what you’d like me to do while you’re driving”… apologies, I’m not a frequent Penthouse contributor). But if we accept those, then we throw out my whole premise that the allegations are hypothetically truthful and that she had not consented to the sexual contact received, which is why such postulation is a complete red herring.

    Were it me, and it were the scene you imagine, he would have been decked, and I’d be hailing a cab while calling the police

    And that’s the good news and bad news. It’s great to hear that you are self-assured and empowered to feel capable of taking charge of a situation like I described (hopefully it’s not Mike Tyson you’re in the car with, though, right?). But a sad statistical fact is that a large number of women in this country, for a wide variety of reasons, will NOT respond in that fashion (or will find themselves at a sufficiently physical disadvantage as to make such a response utterly futile and potentially exacerbating). Further, studies show that men who act as sexual predators (that is, who willfully disregard womens’ boundaries and comfort levels) specifically work to identify and target women who are least likely to resist or speak out (and will also construct “safe” situations where the risks of their behavior being called out is minimized).

    So, bringing this all home, my main point for speaking up was to plead the case that these allegations IF TRUE should be taken seriously. Defend Cain on the merits (or lack thereof) of the allegations, on the [non]accountability of the witnesses and on the [non]cohesiveness of their accounts, but please don’t add more voice to the misogynistic-cultural conception that it is ever “okay” to invade a woman’s personal space (or assault her with an autonomy-robbing sexual action) without her explicit and clear consent.

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  21. Kevin says: 121

    Why did Cain go, if that were the case? Hey… he’s a guy.

    “He’s a guy” is not a reason nor an excuse. I know it was meant as an off-the-cuff remark, but I can attest that despite having dicks, we’re fully capable of behaving respectfully and ethically towards all people, not just the 50% of people with dicks. At least I am (and hell, as an atheist, I seem to be able to pull it off without any moral compass, so it should be a cakewalk for someone as godly as Cain)! Also, my point had nothing to do with his being married (although that would further tar his character in my opinion); the alleged actions would have spoken just as poorly of him if he’d taken the woman up on her proposed “interview” as a bachelor.

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  22. Ditto says: 122

    @Kevin:

    IF Cain did as Bialek says, then he was not being a gentleman. IF

    IF however, Bialek is lying, it’s a false sexual assault claim and is more despicable than what she claims Cain did, as she is trying to damage the campaign of an innocent man for her own moment of fame.

    I prefer to assume Cain is innocent until some kind of (at least circumstantial) evidence is presented to collaborate the claims of these women. So far all we have are two waved hearsay affidavits that her lawyer claims support Bialek’s claim. (Affidavits, that incidentally have not been released and presumably prove only that she told the story to two other people.)

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  23. Gary Kukis says: 123

    @Hard Right:

    She may be telling the truth, but I’m giving the benefit of the doubt to Herman.

    For me, even if this is true, which I am coming to doubt, my vote is still with Citizen Cain.

    There is an oddity which I realized yesterday afternoon, and I don’t know if anyone else noticed it:

    The scene she described was odd because Herman Cain, when putting the moves on her, as per her description, went from 0 to 100. His first move was to, “put his hand under her skirt and move toward her genitals.” There are not many times I can think about putting the moves on a woman, where this would be the first.

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  24. Gary Kukis says: 124

    @Nan G:

    This is a lady who lives off the system. She is hellbent on finding a way of never having to work and living the lifestyle she wants to live, a very affluent lifestyle.”

    This was another odd thing; this woman, which such a spotty employment history, was able to afford to live in the same apartment building as David Axelrod? How is that possible?

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  25. Gary Kukis says: 125

    @Hankster58:

    Gary, if someone, did something BAD to you, and you are mad enough to go after them in public.. you GUSH when you tell the story!! You don’t need to READ A SCRIPT from paper… it’s IN YOUR HEAD…. you WERE THERE were you not??

    15 years later, yes, I might need a script. Furthermore, I am sure there are women out there where men have made a pass at them, where they said no, and it was all over…and they don’t even remember the guy’s name now.

    Also, Allred may have made some changes in the story, for whatever legal reasons she deemed necessary.

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  26. Gary Kukis says: 126

    @MataHarley:

    I suspect that Allred feels the same as you… that Cain will not fight back. I say he’s foolish not to in this case. Wouldn’t take a moment away from his campaigning. And it certainly can’t interfere with the issues since this is already interfering… and on Allred’s turf. This belongs in a court of law.

    She obviously cannot sue him, because he did nothing which is illegal. He made a pass at her, was rebuffed, and drove her back to her hotel (assuming all of her story is true).

    However, she gave no exact dates as to when this happened, so how does he prove he did not do it? Such a lawsuit, trying to prove something that you did not do, 15 years ago, would be quite difficult and expensive.

    Again, that is assuming that it did not happen, and I am not convinced either way yet. In fact, I am quite surprised that so many people have developed strong opinions one way or the other, since there is no real evidence one way or the other.

    You do make a good point on the affidavits, but if she falsely accused sexual harassment in the past for not getting her way, what if she did try to contact Cain, was unable to meet him, and then claimed sexual harassment to her 2 confidants? If that happened, then tracking them down, having them agree that she said this, would look bad for Cain, even if they never met.

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  27. Gary Kukis says: 127

    @Nan G:

    The woman who accused Cain, got a settlement which came as @Hankster58: pointed out“without any admission of liability,” has been outed as working for Obama as a communications expert!

    My understanding is, she has worked under several administrations at this office (Clinton, Bush and Obama).

    This does give her motive–if Cain is elected, then she might find herself out of a fairly secure job.

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  28. Gary Kukis says: 128

    @Ditto:

    Is there evidence that Cain paid for an “upgrade” to her hotel room? We don’t know. These past events where she supposedly shared tables at various event with Cain are from her side. Is there any evidence to prove they shared a table?

    I think this is key. Does this hotel have any records of Bialick renting a room there–their palatial suite; and is Cain’s name, credit card, etc., attached to it in any way?

    Here is the one way Cain could clear his name–determine the name of the hotel, and then give written permission for them to release any and all records which relate to his name.

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  29. Gary Kukis says: 129

    @MataHarley:

    Tell ya what, guy. I’ll meet you for drinks and dinner, and then come out and accuse you of unwanted sexual advances in the media… sans any court. That work for you? How big of a house you got? I want to know how much to ask for in a non-judicial settlement that is tried in the media. Don’t bother mounting a defense. I’ll make it sound horrendous enough of actions that any “daddy” will be freaked. Facts and proof don’t matter.

    Now, Mata, I thought you would be a much better date than this. :)

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  30. Kevin says: 130

    Just to avoid being the prototypical “studies show…” BS-er who doesn’t back the claim up, here’s the studies that back my claim about strategies used by sexual predators:
    Repeat Rape and Multiple Offending Among Undetected Rapists by David Lisak and Paul M. Miller, published in Violence and Victims, Vol 17, No. 1, 2002 (Lisak & Miller 2002).
    Reports of Rape Reperpetration by Newly Enlisted Male Navy Personnel by Stephanie K. McWhorter, et al., published in Violence and Victims, Vol, 24, No. 2, 2009 (McWhorter 2009)..

    Gary, you said,
    “She obviously cannot sue him, because he did nothing which is illegal. He made a pass at her, was rebuffed, and drove her back to her hotel (assuming all of her story is true).”

    The allegation is ” he suddenly reached over and he put his hand on my leg under my skirt and reached for my genitals. He also grabbed my head and brought it towards his crotch. I was very, very surprised and very shocked. ”

    The legal description of battery is “At common law, an intentional unpermitted act causing harmful or offensive contact with the “person” of another… Battery is concerned with the right to have one’s body left alone by others. Battery is both a tort and a crime. Its essential element, harmful or offensive contact, is the same in both areas of the law. The main distinction between the two categories lies in the penalty imposed. A defendant sued for a tort is civilly liable to the plaintiff for damages. The punishment for criminal battery is a fine, imprisonment, or both”

    Admittedly, the statute of limitations probably precludes criminal charges, and the timeframes involved (and lack of evidence of serious harm to the victim) would probably preclude any successful civil charges… but I did want to point out that the alleged actions are not only morally contemptible, but definitely illegal to boot.

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  31. I don’t think that Cain should take any of these women to court, not until he is out of the running. Thats not what these ambulance chasers want right now. Their main objective is to knock Cain out of the race. After that they will crawl back into their holes and be forgotten, after a brief tour of the media scene.Then more women/men just like them will be found to go after the republican victim. Not Rommey though, I think that he will be left alone by the libdems, they know he is their best chance at winning the election. After Cain drops out he should only go after the women if his lawyers can find hard evidence that they were manipulated by the libdems, or that rag Gloria. Otherwise he will only be pouring good money down a rat hole. Its shameful and a disgrace that something like this can happen, but its happening right now to some guy/gal who never made unwanted sexual advances, and or harassed someone. Its part of the risks that any supervisor, director, and boss takes on when they are in charge of employees. I have seen more than a my fair share of a few good men and women who were put through the emotional and financial ringer of false charges like these that were lodged against Cain. Sometimes after the trial it was show to be political, for anger at the boss for something trivial, or you name the excuse. In the end the innocent boss was left with a smeared reputation, while the accuser just walked away with a smug look of victory on their faces. Thats why its a no winner in many cases for the boss. and yes there is real harrassement on the job, but those cases usually win large amonuts of money, and the cases are drawn out for years. Or the ones I was witness too.Right now cain needs to focus on his campaign and attempt to shake this off, but I doubt that the libdems and the establishment will let him. They smell blood now, and Cain is wounded, so they will only intensify their attacks and maybe bring more so called victims to the kill.

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  32. Hard Right says: 132

    More info about Bialek- with a source.

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/veteran-anchor-bill-kurtis-says-bialek-was-former-cbs-employee-with-a-track-record-hers-and-cains-roles-may-even-have-been-reversed-in-car/

    Worthy of an embed, HR… sorry to intrude. Mata

    As for the other woman-
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ap-exclusive-cain-accuser-filed-complaint-against-supervisors-in-her-next-job-3-years-later/2011/11/09/gIQARjlL4M_story.html?tid=sm_btn_twitter

    “To settle the complaint at the immigration service, Kraushaar initially demanded thousands of dollars in payment, a reinstatement of leave she used after the accident earlier in 2002, promotion on the federal pay scale and a one-year fellowship to Harvard’s Kennedy School of Government, according to a former supervisor familiar with the complaint. The promotion itself would have increased her annual salary between $12,000 and $16,000, according to salary tables in 2002 from the U.S. Office of Personnel Management.”

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  33. MataHarley says: 133

    @Kevin, your comment #119 indicates you know understand what I was trying to say. I admit, it was an awkward off the cuff delivery – just instantaneous a reaction – and for that I apologize. But I couldn’t figure out for the life of me why anyone would consider this type of sexual activity so out of the realm of common.

    That said, I think what you, and a few others are missing when you say “if her story is true” is that there’s a lot of time that transpired with conversations, nuances and actions deliberately not volunteered. What has she told us? That he “smirked” when he told her he upgraded her hotel room, that they had drinks in the bar, dinner at an Italian restaurant, and that outside the offices he did the thigh/crotch bit. Out of hours spent together, this woman gave us her version of a few minutes in all that time.

    Sorry… I think I would need to know more about what happened in all those hours before that moment. That’s like editing the video of OWS vs police, and deliberately skipping the rocks and bottles thrown before the tear gas and bullets started flying. It’s as Gary said above… she depicted this as if he went from 0 to 100 in an instant. What else went down in the hours they spent together?

    While Cain may, or may not, be quite the ladies man about town, I don’t see him as that clumsy in relationships, or unable to read signals from people that incorrectly. He’s pretty astute, and while he may make some initial faux pas statements and observations that seem harsh or unPC, this just doesn’t fit the profile of him, or of most men looking for goodies on the side.

    So I guess where we disagree is – even taking what part of her story she wants to tell at face value – it’s still missing far too much about those hours they spent together for me to assume that Cain’s behavior was off the mark, or even unsolicited.

    Her stated reaction – “you know I have a boyfriend” – just strengthens the impression she knew she was leading him on. That’s a pretty anemic protest for such a serious, out of the blue, aggressive grope as described. This is an assertive woman, as you can tell. She’s not apt to be docile for a genuine sexual intrusion. Heavens… just look at the still photo at the top of this post. This woman is simply not the “victim” type… she only plays one on TV. LOL

    I’d never say it’s okay for a man to force unwanted attentions of any kind on to a woman, Kevin, and please don’t assume that I do. But women like BuyALick and Allred tend to take that to a new extreme, and any and everything is forced unwanted attentions in their eyes. That’s Allred’s specialty… elevation of the mundane to screeching heights. That is simply not the case. I can see all kinds of scenarios where even the described action – were it true – wasn’t out of line, but just a natural progression of the evening.

    But Ms. BuyALick was quite careful to portray it as “0 to 100″. In the set up of the evening – that she, herself, constructed for a so called job interview – I find this really hard to buy into. The entire event is damning in and of itself.

    @Gary Kukis: However, she gave no exact dates as to when this happened, so how does he prove he did not do it? Such a lawsuit, trying to prove something that you did not do, 15 years ago, would be quite difficult and expensive.

    Gary, that you even phase your question that way – “how does he prive he did not do it” – is exactly the reason Cain should file a slander lawsuit. For some reason, everyone thinks that Cain is supposed to play defense. Why is Cain supposed to prove his innocence of these specifics charges when that’s the burden of the accuser… as per our judicial structure? Allred wants everyone to forget that. However, since this accuser decides to use Allred’s court of media and public opinion instead, he should force this into the courts with a slander lawsuit, where Ms. BuyALick and Allred will then be required to prove their accusations are warranted… or pay the price for public slander.

    This accomplishes two things… you get off the unfair defense media field and Allred’s home turf, and in to the courtroom. Secondly, he’s not having to publicly demean the accuser… instead just demanding she lend evidence and proof to her accusations. It’s ridiculous, and counterproductive, to be playing defense on Allred’s turf – the bogus media court of law.

    It turns the tables. The onus is now where it belongs – on BuyALick and Allred – and in the proper venue. And if he continues to play defense, they will just find more and more to pile on, again with bogus evidence using the media court. There is no end to this, as we’ve already seen.

    Truly, this is the most heinous aspect of this for me. Whether the man is guilty or not, this method of accusation is anti-American and sleazy… laying out these charges, without documented proof, and not in our courts of law. I’m genuinely tired of this new form of American justice. Since when did the media become the third branch of government?

    But this is the Allred method of litigation. Cain’s attorney laid it out exactly right in his presser yesterday…. Cain was denied due process rights to confront and cross examine an accuser, and discovery of evidence.

    As far as expense, I’d say that Cain can afford it.

    Gary: Now, Mata, I thought you would be a much better date than this.

    LOL! Well, I have a great sense of humor.. not that it comes out when discussing politics on a forum, mind you. But there’s few who enjoy a good belly laugh more than me. However I am also assertive, and generally no one messes with me – save twice in my life. A brief stint as a really dumb battered wife, and once where I found a couple of gang bangers vandalizing my jeep about 3 in the morning when I got off work.

    To the former, I probably would have come out better if I didn’t insist upon swinging back. I was outmatched in strength. Just not in my nature not to fight back…

    To the latter, I was in no mood to have my property violated after a long and stressful work day. Was actually somewhat therapeutic to take it out on them. Rather amazing to find that a really irate woman at the wrong time of the month can actually talk two scumbag vandals out of an open vehicle (no doors and top on it at the time… just a bad arse roll cage).

    In retrospect, it was a very dumb move, but I just don’t have the “victim” genes. And in that instance, both of them saw I was not backing down. I don’t think they wanted to add assault and battery to theft… much to my benefit. I was livid, and I’m sure they wondered if I was armed.

    It was a dead end road, and they didn’t get far enough away to suit me when I fired up my 8 cyl CJ-7, equipped with headers and spotlights. So I warmed it up for a few seconds – lights off – watching them discuss things between themselves. When they didn’t move from the area where I had to pass to turn around, I hit all lights at once, floored it and headed right for them. I suspect the engine noise from the headers plus the lights startled them… as well as the aggression. They hopped the fence, which made it easy for me to do the u-turn in an open jeep, and not worry about them jumping in where I had to do the 180.

    Sometimes attitude works… sometimes it doesn’t. I was lucky. But with my instinctive nature, it’s likely I’d do the same thing again. There is a great deal of truth that assailants rarely go for women that have an air of self-assurance around them. They choose easy marks. Never been one of those.

    You can spot women who are vulnerable. Ms. BuyALick is most certainly not one of those.

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  34. Hard Right says: 134

    The assist is always appreciated Mata.

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  35. Hankster58 says: 135

    Kevin, I don’t want to DRAG this conversation on…. but i GOT to ask ya….. ONE of the “sexually improper” accusations was.. “Cain asked me out to his place”…..
    Now do YOU consider THAT to be “inappropriate” behavior?? If so, HOW did YOU ever date…. when “asking a woman out” is off the table”???? Just curious….

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  36. Hankster58 says: 136

    Hard Right Posted this…….

    “” “To settle the complaint at the immigration service, Kraushaar initially demanded thousands of dollars in payment, a reinstatement of leave she used after the accident earlier in 2002, promotion on the federal pay scale and a one-year fellowship to Harvard’s Kennedy School of Government, according to a former supervisor familiar with the complaint. The promotion itself would have increased her annual salary between $12,000 and $16,000, according to salary tables in 2002 from the U.S. Office of Personnel Management.” “”

    @ Kevin…..Um, isn’t SELLING YOURSELF……for PROFIT… PROSTITUTION?????
    Kevin, SEVERAL of Cains’ ACCUSERS sold out for CASH, and NOT JUSTICE…….. doesn’t that make THEM “whores” under the Common use of the word?? SOLD themselves, for CASH?!?!?!?!
    Think about it…….
    If YOU were WRONGED in a similar fashion.. would you want $$$ ……or JUSTICE and PUNISHMENT???
    These gals, SHOW US a DIFFERENT attitude, than the one they claim and and they ACT…… Hmmmm….

    World of Gentlemen.. and WOMEN…. seems to be becoming more and more scarce…..welcome to the LIBERAL WORLD….

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  37. Hankster58 says: 137

    Gary K said/……

    Also, Allred may have made some changes in the story, for whatever legal reasons she deemed necessary.

    Gary, I have NO DOUBTS in my mind.. Glory-A made CHANGES to the STORY……. legal reasons?? Doubtful… anything but the ACCURATE truth, is NOT a “Legal testimony of fact”……. Glory-a is a MEDIA ATTENTION whore…. nothing more.
    Still wondering, why a CHICAGO resident, get an LA LAWYER.. for her Rep…… something is WAY WRONG here…. and her FIANCE hadn’t even been INFORMED of ANY OF THIS??? Yeah.. right….. SHOWTIME!!

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  38. Hankster58 says: 138

    @ Gary.. in reference to 128…
    Do you have any idea, how Courts etc REALLY WORK??? the reason these women GOT PAID?? Its NOT because Cain, or ANYONE, was GUILTY….. it because it’s CHEAPER to PAY OFF.. than fight to PROVE one’s Innocence!! THAT is why the Repubs were fighting so hard, for the TORT REFORM, DEMOCRATS do not WANT…. then, the LOSER would have to pay ALL COSTS… in such a system, it then, BEHOOVES the Innocent, to FIGHT BOGUS CLAIMS….. in our CURRENT “Justice system”??? Cheaper to PAY a LIAR, than fight to PROVE they LIED, and LOSE your A$$ Cash wise doing so…… it SUCKS!! But, it’s the LAW ( the LIBERALS WANT us to live under ) and NOW you can see an example of WHY…..

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  39. @Hankster58: Your right on the money! I left another comment trying to explain why so many of us who have had to work in professions are angry that the whole system is rigged. You are guilty no matter what you do in some people eyes. Its ignorance that the liberal media uses to their advantage. And the members of the press have basically the same insurance that we had to have for such nonsense, they attended the same preventive classes as we did for the continuing education hours, yet speak nothing about how common these accusations are in real life. And how the majority of those cases are pure BS ., and an easy way to make some fast cash at some elses expense, and misery. And Clinton spearheaded letting the lawyers off the reins back in the 90′s .

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  40. Kevin says: 140

    Hi Mata,

    “I’d never say it’s okay for a man to force unwanted attentions of any kind on to a woman, Kevin, and please don’t assume that I do. ” I think we’re coming from the same place. In my stated “assuming the allegations are true”, I meant the whole package: not just WHAT the actions were, but also the allegation that they were sudden, shocking, non-consented, and unwanted. In short, the allegation that they were an unapproved invasion of Ms Bialeck’s person. In that light, I was stating that any man who acts thusly toward a woman is not behaving appropriately, much less “gentlemanly”. Yes, stopping when asked elevates the man out of the ranks of “rapist”, but it does not absolve the man of having acted bullyish and contemptably up to that point. As a father of both a young son and daughter, and having known 3 women in my life alone who’ve endured sexual assault or outright rape (3 that I know of, mind you), I tend to be very sensitive to any implication that such behavior is ever acceptable.

    For the record, pending new information coming to light, I’m leaning heavily toward thinking that Cain did not sexaully harrass or assault Ms Bialeck; that probably the allegations she’s brought to bear are meritless.

    Not sure if that squares us up or not, but if you’d like it, feel free to take the last word here!

    Hank,

    Kevin, I don’t want to DRAG this conversation on…. but i GOT to ask ya….. ONE of the “sexually improper” accusations was.. “Cain asked me out to his place”…..
    Now do YOU consider THAT to be “inappropriate” behavior?? If so, HOW did YOU ever date…. when “asking a woman out” is off the table”???? Just curious….

    Yes, I did date in my bachelor years, and yes, I was able to do so while treating women respectfully. I even asked women out – respectfully! Maybe my success was in part because I recognize the difference between “asking a woman out” and “asking a woman to come back to my place”. Do you?

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  41. Hankster58 says: 141

    @ KEVIN.. you just admitted I AM RIGHT!!!
    You just said.. THERE IS a “difference, between asking a gal OUT, and UP TO YOUR BEDROOM” ( or “my place”)……….

    IF this gal is BEING HONEST… Cain asked her out to dinner…. she said OK….

    Then asked her out to a BAR……She said OK!!…..

    THEN asked her to his Hotel room.. she said OK!!! ….

    In the car,.. what, she got COLD FEET??? She asked him to STOP, and, in GENTLEMANLY fashion, he DID so, and took her BACK to where ever she wanted to go…..

    WHAT the HECK was YOUR BEEF????? SHE agreed, according to HER TESTIMONY, to everything that HAPPENED, and when she changed her mind, HE OBEYED!! What the “F” more could you want???

    She is playing games…..

    Cain asked her TO HIS HOTEL BEDROOM, and she said OK….OK, as in I AGREE TO……. THAT is why they were IN THE CAR in the FIRST PLACE !!!! HELLO???????

    Kevin, you are a Smart Guy….. READ the SCRIPT here.. and see it for WHAT IT IS… a CROCK!!!!

    Good Lord….. I’m DONE!!

    Kevin said…..””Maybe my success was in part because I recognize the difference between “asking a woman out” and “asking a woman to come back to my place”. Do you? ”

    Yep!! I ALSO know, the Difference between a Respectable Woman, and a game playing Bimbo… Do YOU???? LOL!

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  42. gary kukis says: 142

    @MataHarley: Ah, so you can be fun on a date; just don’tmess with your jeep or be a libral. :)

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